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Morning Links: Will the Seahawks be thanking the 49ers?

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 17, 2013 at 12:57 am with 66 Comments »
December 17, 2013 12:57 am

Good morning.

First, we’ll chat today at noon. Bring your questions.

Today, our Dave Boling wrote about what the Seahawks might ultimately stand to gain from losing to the 49ers in San Francisco. From Boling:

Late last week, Seattle Seahawk defenders still grumbled about the last San Francisco scoring drive that secured a narrow win for the 49ers the previous Sunday.

  Defensive coordinator Dan Quinn said the disappointment would “stay with us.” He added his belief that the sting of it caused their “mindset and attitude (to be) exactly what you’d want it to be in terms of effort and focus.”

Was it ever.


On Sunday, the Seahawks defense treated the New York Giants like they were little brothers in a backyard game, holding them to 25 yards rushing and intercepting Eli Manning five times.


It was the Seahawks’ best defensive effort and enhanced their status as the best defense in the NFL.


And if the Seahawks continue to roll into the playoffs, they might look back at the loss to the 49ers as the jolt that got them revving back up to the competitive red-line.

Here’s a notebook from yesterday’s happenings out in Renton talking about Clinton McDonald filling in for Tony McDaniel on Sunday.

Links:

> 710 ESPN with a look at what we learned in the Seahawks win over the Giants.

> Russell Wilson set some more records Sunday. I’m not big on the win total number for a quarterback because so much is dependent on the rest of the team. If the defense was terrible, Wilson could be the same and have a .500 record as a starter. I’m not trying to knock him, because he’s obviously played very well his first two seasons. But, I take any win total stat attributed to a single player — even the quarterback whose had to survive much of the year behind a mediocre to terrible offensive line –  with a large grain of salt.

> Another five things we learned, this time from the Everett Herald.

> A focus on Wilson over at Seahawks.com.

> The Seahawks have overtaken the Broncos as the betting favorite to win the Super Bowl.

> Arizona WR Larry Fitzgerald passed a first round of concussion tests and says he feels good, but is far from being cleared for this Sunday. Arizona coach Bruce Arians said Carson Palmer and RB Andre Ellington are fine.

> Arizona veterans were to quick to start thinking about the Seahawks.

> Arizona could finish with 11 wins and miss the playoffs.

> Houston RB Ben Tate has played through four broken ribs knowing he’s a free agent at the end of the season.

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  1. bird_spit says:

    What was up with espn showing a noise meter and suggesting the possibility that Detroit might de-thrown the 12th man.

    Hello ESPN,
    The clink is an outdoor stadium. Besides the fact that placement of noise meters is very critical to the measurement. ESPN is like a mindless minon.

    Rant off

  2. montanamike2 says:

    I couldn’t watch the game very long last night, it was a snoozer.

  3. montanamike2 says:

    I wanted the Lions to lose because i can envision Suh kicking or stomping Wilson when he’s down come playoff time.

  4. seahawkfan97 says:

    DeBartolo says the whiners can win the super bowl this year and is going to NY to watch them do it and their fullback miller is done for the season. Dang it anyhow!!!!
    http://www.insidebayarea.com/49ers/ci_24728963/debartolo-49ers-can-win-super-bowl-should-extend

  5. montanamike2 says:

    USA Today: please write another article about how we suck.

  6. Arizona has only lost once since we beat them and that was only by a field goal @ Philly.

    Losing 58-0 year last year won’t soon be forgotten either.

    I’m glad we had a wake up call @ SF. I hope our offense can kick it up a notch going into this stretch run. Our running game needs to get on track and our WRs (namely Tate) need to show that they’re not a liability despite their size and inexperience.

    Sunday will be exciting.

    GO HAWKS!

  7. raymaines says:

    I hated losing at SF! The ‘Hawks would have everything locked up and wouldn’t have to worry about AZ or STL if they had held on to the lead two weeks ago. The playoffs are their own are wake up call so that wouldn’t be worry either. There wasn’t anything actually good about the loss to the 49ers.

    I think the 49ers are the second best team in the entire NFL and they certainly could go back to the SB, and if I were running that team I’d extend Harbaugh for as long as he wanted to stay.

  8. I LOVE the way the NFL scheduled these last 2 weeks of football! So many playoff implications.

    Dal/Phi are vying for the NFC East crown. Last game of the year Phi @ Dal.

    With Detroit’s loss…Chicago, GB and Detroit are battling. Last game of the year GB @ Chicago.

    New Orleans @ Carolina this week.

    SF @ Arizona next week (although I hope that’s moot after this week)

    Miami and Baltimore are fighting for the last wildcard spot and have to play divisional opponents.

    This is the best…I love football!

  9. I hate losing @ SF too. 3 in a row would’ve been nice. Ending our skid @ SF, also nice. Closing Candlestick with a win, good as well.

    Locking up the division PLUS knocking SF into a virtual tie with SF where the last game of the year means everything and a chance for SF to NOT make the playoffs would’ve been the ultimate.

    Oh well. I guess we’ll just have to win with them in it and most likely knock them out ourselves!

  10. “into a virtual tie with Arizona” (oops)…got a little excited there.

  11. joreb – Exactly who thinks our top shelf receiving corps is a liability or inexperienced?

    raymaines – Personally, I don’t even think the Niners are the second best team in our division, yet alone in the league.

    Stay on schedule and remember that each game is a championship opportunity! Go 12s and Go ‘Hawks!

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    From Sandpoint yesterday-

    “Georgia, I seem to remember you calling for T-Jack during the 49er’s game live chat. Maybe I’m wrong I didn’t go back to verify it so maybe it was a dream…”

    Yes Sandpoint, you probably saw that however I didn’t participate in the 49ers live game chat. Someone stole my username to get their kicks.

    That’s why I don’t participate in anymore live chats,(including the Monday chats) until there is some way to guarantee our username is protected.
    I’m not usually big on participating with the live chats anyways,(because I prefer to focus on the game) but it would be nice to know that the same usernames posted on the chats are the same usernames posted on the threads.
    Not having username protection pretty much gives trolls and idiots a free pass to make a mockery of the live chats.

    So if you see my name on the chats anymore it won’t be me. I will be enjoying the game with a frosty brew.

  13. dirtbiker_joey says:

    USA Today thinks our receiving corps is a liability “Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse doesn’t exactly give opposing coordinators nightmares.” Some people agree, but I think most who have watched this team do not.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/12/13/seattle-seahawks-wide-receivers-percy-harvin-golden-tate-doug-baldwin/4012167/

  14. montanamike2 says:

    GeorgiaHawk that’s pretty much the same as me. Duke was there as well as a few others, it’s weird when people start posting under your name,right in front of you! I had to sign off for fear of starting something huge or getting banned.

  15. Southendzone says:

    Of the last 2 games, which is tougher?

    Somehow we seem to match up better against AZ even though they are a far superior team than STL.

    We match up well against all the awesome receivers that AZ has but that team has a lot of confidence right now. I’m hoping that our pass rush comes out with their best performance of the year and that will be the key to Sunday.

    Even with Arizona having a really strong defense, we had it figured out when we beat them down there.

  16. Just sign in as me and say whatever you want – as long as you don’t get me banned. I just don’t care.

  17. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Cardinals have the best run defense in the league (according to ESPN)? Who would have ever thought that. I always write the Cardinals off. But this game won’t be an easy win at all. Although I usually like good competitive games, here’s hoping that Larry Fitzgerald isn’t able to play Sunday.

  18. GeorgiaHawk says:

    montanamike2- The thing about it too is that the threads can get messed up if someone thinks something said on the live chats is coming from you,(and it’s not) like Sandpoint thought yesterday.

    I really didn’t know it happened so often until recently but now I’m just going to totally disregard what I have read on any chats because It can/will make one think differently about bloggers here.

    I wonder how many silly arguments have started on the threads because someone took the live chats usernames seriously. I know I probably have done it.

  19. montanamike2 says:

    Whoever it is they can sure out type me.

  20. yankinta says:

    Southendzone and DisplacedSeahawkFan,,, Definitely the Rams Game will be much Tougher. Cardinals will be a blowout game/easy win….. We have yet to blow out the Rams in the past 3-5 games…. I can’t wait to see how much our O-line has improved since the last time we face Quinn and Long from the Rams…. :)

  21. yankinta says:

    lol,, Mike Florio really does hate the Seahawks…. he can’t stand to see us win/dominate,, it’s fun to read his articles cuz I could totally imagine him having a very bad days due to Seahawks dominance….. :)

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/17/week-15-power-rankings-4/

  22. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    I think if we beat the Cardinals there’s a good chance that Pete will rest most of the starters. Then again, you never know with Pete. It would definitely be a Pyrrhic victory if we finished the season with an undefeated home record, yet lost a key starter, or two, before the playoffs.

  23. Southendzone says:

    I’m trying to estimate the chances of the Hawks NOT getting the #1 seed in the NFC. There’s only 1 way this can happen, the following 4 events ALL have to occur along with my estimated chances of each of these events:

    1: Hawks lost to AZ: 40% chance
    2: SF beats ATL: 95% chance
    3: Hawks lose to STL: 40% chance
    4: SF beats AZ: 55% chance

    You can certainly argue with my %’s but I thought they were all fairly reasonable if not conservative on the Hawks part. The chance of each of those events to all occur is just over 8%.

    Hope we just do it Sunday so I can mellow out for a few weeks.

  24. yankinta says:

    DisplacedSeahawkFan,, I seriously doubt that Pete will rest any Starters,, if they have fully healthy. In fact he already said that on his weekly radio interview on 710ESPN. You can download the podcast and listen,, :) He said he wants to have the mindset of competing everyweek.

    Plus, especially with the 1st round bye, the starters will need to have their work in before taking a week off. I think most starters will play 3 quarters, if we are blowing them out… If not they’ll play the entire game.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I really don’t think Arizona has much of a chance to beat us.
    We simply have their number.
    I see this game pretty much the way I saw the Saints game. Seahawks-35-Arizona-10.
    Palmer is headed for a rude awakening imo. Probably 3 or more turnovers.

  26. yankinta says:

    ESPN Power Rankings is out.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings

    And the answer is, No we will not be resting any starters in week 17 against the Rams….

  27. GeorgiaHawk says:

    By far we have the best Cornerback group in the NFL and none of them was higher than a fourth round pick.
    That’s just simply amazing how they develop these guys.

    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Tuesday-Round-Up-Seahawks-ability-to-draft-and-develop-cornerbacks-unmatched-across-NFL/be723148-ec68-41ca-9a95-b4d366dda5a9

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    New York is finally catching up with the Legend Of Wilson journey. About a year late, but better late than never.

    Dave Hutchinson at the Newark Star Ledger wrote: “Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson this afternoon turned MetLife Stadium into his personal playpen and it may be a prelude to Super Bowl XLVIII. Wilson’s numbers weren’t awe-inspiring – 18 of 27 passes for 206, one touchdown and one interception (he ran eight times for 50 yards) – but his timing was. Wilson made several athletic plays in which he scrambled out of trouble and made pinpoint throws on the run or raced for a first down.”

    Harvey Araton of the New York Times wrote: “It is hard enough on a defense that Wilson is so elusive – he made one first-half completion by dodging three tacklers who seemed to have a bead on him. But he also has an asset that many celebrated scramblers have not had – the ability to see the whole field.”

  29. ChrisHolmes says:

    @GeorgiaHawk I think that says a lot about Pete’s defensive philosophy and how they coach these guys to the system. I’m not sure any one of these guys (except Sherman) would seem as good as they are on another team in a different system.

    Pete and JS find the guys who fit their philosophy and then coach them to excel in the system. And it works.

  30. I heard Clayton say last night that with Maxwell and Lane playing the way they are makes Browner and Thurmond more expendable and that their salaries may be used on Okung, Thomas and Sherman instead.

  31. SlickToxic21 says:

    I’d have to guess Browner and Thurmond are gone next year…..not sure of the exact order that guys will have to be signed before becoming FA’s….I think it starts this year with Bennett, Tate and Baldwin, and then next year with Sherm, Thomas and Avril, followed by Okung, Wagner, Wilson, KJ and more……so they will have to make some tough decisions….and I don’t think keeping Browner and Thurmond makes much sense, all things considered.

  32. ChrisHolmes says:

    I read, somewhere, I think it was MMQB, that cutting Avril save $7m.

    Obviously hard cuts are going to have to be made. I don’t even want to think about it.

    Let’s ride this team all the way and worry about it in March.

  33. I hope Avril and Bennett are around for a while. I’d put Bennett at the top of any list of pending Free Agents. Very versatile and always shows up.

    Right now…Tate along with the above CBs keep moving down the list.

  34. SlickToxic21 says:

    Yeah, I’m a big fan of what Avril and Bennett have done this year….hope they stick around for a couple more years

  35. MoSeahawk12 says:

    This may have been posted yesterday, but it’s a great read from Mike Rob’s perspective of Russell Wilson. He mentions thing we as fans see, but describes it in a players viewpoint.

    http://mmqb.si.com/2013/12/17/russell-wilson-through-michael-robinsons-eyes/

  36. Here’s the rankings from Fox Sports. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

    Did Billick even read what he wrote for #2?

  37. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I also liked these comments from Peter King of SI.
    “Five of the top six playoff seeds in the league lost over the weekend—by an average of 10 points.” The only winner….Seahawks!

    “A lot happened in the NFC. Seattle looked like the ’76 Steelers shutting out the ’76 Bucs in the 23-0 whipping of the Giants, who were stunningly non-competitive.”

  38. yankinta says:

    SlickToxic21,, No way, we’re not letting Thurmond go. Especially because his price has gone down significantly due to his 4 game suspension. Thurmond will be back for a cheap contract. As we saw this season, depth at CB is a MUST….

    Avril will be gone, cuz we need to money to extend Bennett.
    Browner will be gone.
    Sidney Rice will be gone.
    T-Jack will be gone.
    Mike-Rob will be gone.
    Paul McQuistan will be gone.
    Breno will be gone.

    http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Seahawks&Year=2014

    I also see paycuts for the following…
    1) Chris Clemons
    2) Zach Miller
    3) Brandon Mebane (this is the least likely, only because his dead money is $400K only)

  39. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Yet another Peter King comment.
    4. We all can see Seattle is a terrific defensive team, but the offensive consistency, even without Percy Harvin, is something to behold. The Seahawks have outrushed the opposition by 500 yards exactly, and out-passed foes by 550 yards. Aside from the road loss at the Niners last week, Seattle’s consistently the best team in football, and it’s not close for second. San Francisco’s the second-best team, I just don’t think it’s going to be that close if they meet in Seattle in the playoffs.

  40. yankinta says:

    JZombie,, yes he did. Both 49ers and Seahawks have the most wins in NFL since wk 4. So it’s a true statement when he said “No team has more wins since Week 4 this season.” :)

  41. Bookmark it. Yankita has spoken. Schneider…you listening?

    What type of work are you in again? And what time does class get out?

    Great article Mo on MRob’s perception of R Dub. I still can’t believe he was passed over 74 times before landing with us! Crazy.

  42. yankinta says:

    joreb,, you just hate me because I’m right 95% of the time. As many times as I’ve proven you wrong,, I’m not surprised you sound like a sore loser…. cheers,, :)

  43. montanamike2 says:

    It was amazing that Pete was willing to take a chance that he’d be there at #75.

  44. yankinta says:

    Thanks for the linke MoSeahawk12…

    liked the last comment he made,,,, “One day,” Robinson says, looking toward Wilson’s locker a few feet away, “he will be the MVP of this league.” Yankinta called it!! :) but of course, I am thinking much sooner than what Mike Rob is thinking,,..

  45. I don’t hate you, I just think you’re annoying and miss the point of the blog. It’s not about being right…it’s about being a fan.

    Other people actually contribute to the blog. Whether it’s sound insight, links or through shared experiences.

    You approach it all in adversarial way to display your prophetic abilities in determining future outcomes and enjoy telling people how stupid they are for disagreeing with you. It’s all about your EGO and your solipsistic ways.

    Some day, you might grow up, get out of school and be allowed on the computer past 3PM including weekends. Until then, we just have to put up with you.

    With fellow Hawks fans like yourself, who needs opposing teams fans as enemies?

  46. yankinta says:

    Dude, I express my opinion like anyone else on this blog. But I don’t think like the rest here, so most people want to call me out and challenge me. Of course they lose, then they become sore losers and hate me forever,, lol

    what about my post at 10:21AM was offensive or annoying?? I was only sharing my opinion. You can disagree peacefully but you chose to call me childish names…. a sore loser behavior… :)

    lol, you are just jealous that I have a life other than being this blog 24/7. I record and watch a lot of Football on the weekends, which is why I know a lot about football, just as much as many here do….

  47. Expressing opinions is one thing. Your perpetual desire for being acknowledged of said opinions and telling everyone that doesn’t agree with you is stupid…is annoying.

    You’re not like everyone else. You’re not like anyone else. You just are…

  48. yankinta says:

    nah,, I never throw the first punch. That’s my No.1 Rule that I live by…. go back and look and prove me wrong, if you can.

    and lol, I don’t have any desire to be acknowledged…. in fact I don’t care about anyone approvals here. But when people challenge me, I respond. And I usually win, 95% of the time. :)

  49. Southendzone says:

    This looks pretty awesome, I wonder if they let you run out the tunnel with the team?

    http://auctions.seahawks.com/items/1880/seahawks-sideline-experience-2-tickets-to-cardinals-vs-seahawks

  50. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Russell Wilson never pats himself on the back and tells everyone how right he is and how wrong they are all the time. He doesn’t constantly call people sore losers or ignorant. Be more like Russell Wilson.

    That is what throwing the first punch is and you do it pretty much every day all day. News flash…Mike Rob worked with Wilson from day one and I’m pretty sure he knows much more about the man and his abilities than you ever will. You just sound like a fool when you proclaim that you knew he’d be MVP before his professional teammate. By the way, it won’t be this year, but hopefully soon. joreb, it’s just par for the course, trying to rationalize with an irrational, immature person isn’t in yours or any of ours best interests.
    He always believes that he’s 100% right, 95% of the time. Obviously math is not a strong subject.

  51. Southendzone says:

    How do you all keep getting caught up in this same web spun of stupidity?

    Arguing with yanker is as productive and unpleasant as rubbing a cheese grater across your genitals. 100% of the time

  52. yankinta says:

    Southendzone,, that’s awesome!! I’d have to do that one day.. :)

  53. yankinta says:

    lol, I was referring to http://auctions.seahawks.com/items/1880/seahawks-sideline-experience-2-tickets-to-cardinals-vs-seahawks

    I was not referring to rubbing a cheese grater across genitals……

  54. jawpeace says:

    I got a good laugh and nearly spit out my drink when I read an article with this line, “… Colin Kaepernick as who should be considered for the league’s highest individual honor.”
    LOL are you kidding me CK has been terrible for most of the year. How idiotic to include CK in the MVP race and mentioning him among others. While I love Wilson and would not take another QB in the entire league over him. I still have to give a nod to PM for the award.
    While on the defensive side the Hawks really do have a legit MVP candidate in ET. What is funny on the blog here I have seen so much talk about RW in the MVP race and none on ET. It is almost as bad as ET’s safety video where no one knew who he was.

  55. yankinta says:

    jawpeace,, which article?? link please?? I want a good laugh too…

  56. Seriously Jeremiah? Did you watch the game this weekend?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000288658/article/2014-nfl-draft-order-top-three-needs-for-all-32-teams

    WR…definitely
    TE…maybe
    CB…no way

    I’d switch out G for CB. I’m still focused on this year, but this article illustrates how little attention is still paid to the team from SE Alaska.

  57. freedom_X says:

    Even if the WB wins in the 1st two years of a career isn’t that big a stat, anything that erases Ben Roethlisberger from the records book is a big plus in my view.

    I’m glad Roethlisberger didn’t get any mention as the previous recordholder in the press releases after Wilson deleted him.

  58. “Seriously Jeremiah? Did you watch the game this weekend?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000288658/article/2014-nfl-draft-order-top-three-needs-for-all-32-teams

    WR…definitely
    TE…maybe
    CB…no way

    I’d switch out G for CB. I’m still focused on this year, but this article illustrates how little attention is still paid to the team from SE Alaska.”

    Agreed. What a garbage “post.” We have arguably five starting caliber CBs on the team, with Therold Simon waiting in the wings. So what if we lose BB and/or Thurmond!

    And Tight end? Miller is solid, and Willson is comping on strong. Don’t forget, McCoy is back next year. Yeah, he’ll never be a tsarter, but he’s a damn good #3.

    As for WR, depends on what happens with Tate, Baldwin, and Harvin. A deep threat would be nice, but definitely not the #1 need on this team.

    I would say OG is far and away the #1 need.

    Next would be OT.

    Only after addressing the O-line would I go after a WR or S.

  59. wazzulander says:

    Loved the article with Mike Rob on RW. I’m not sure a lot of fans other than Seahawk fans appreciate all the off field work and intangibles that make Russell so special. I have to laugh when I hear people say Johnny Manziel will have success because RW is doing so well. Yes, they are both relatively short and can escape the pocket and make plays. But, if his rep as a carefree party-guy is accurate, then RW is about the worst comparison you can find, perhaps Cade McNown would be more appropriate. It is cool that RW is breaking down barriers for short QBs though.

  60. Ewalters7354 says:

    McCoy is a free agent next year though he may be resigned.

  61. banosser says:

    Brees and the qb from SF are not MVP candidates

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