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Carroll says on 710 Harvin’s return ‘not too far off’

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 14, 2013 at 10:27 am with 46 Comments »
October 14, 2013 10:27 am

Pete Carroll did his weekly show on 710 ESPN this morning. He said Percy Harvin, who could be activated this week after hip surgery in late July, isn’t “too far off” from returning.

Carroll also reiterated some of the main points from Sunday: It was a weird game; Brandon Browner was taken out to give the Titans a different look; he’s irritated with the fumbles, namely Sidney Rice’s; and that he should have gone for it on the final play of the first half.

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  1. yankinta says:

    yeah, it’s not looking good for Brandon Browner to get an extension with us. Hopefully he can get paid elsewhere since I do like the guy….but I probably wouldn’t resign him…

  2. RDPoulsbo says:

    Had a wierd dream last night that my parakeet was the one that called the play to go for the field goal with Haushka out. No one was mad. Everyone just said, oh, a bird called the play. I think that pretty much sums up the stupidity of having a punter kick a field goal in the first place.

    No turnover Thursday this week, but they really need to work on holding onto the ball this week. They aren’t going to get the benefit of the home crowd in Arizona.

  3. Carroll said the ball seemed like it was greased. I thought that too. I wonder if they were not scuffed up like usual.

  4. There were 8 fumbles in the game.

  5. HawkfaninMT says:

    Why not activate him this week and get him practicing with the team? I suppose I understand that the Hawks are only allowed the 53 man roster. But is the WR they activated last week really going to be active on game day this Thursday? If not, Harvin may as well be practicing. Even if it is playing catch with RW, and taking the mental reps

  6. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, I believe they will activate him this week,, most likely today.

  7. chuck_easton says:

    Coming back from PUP he can practice fully with the team. They have a multi week exemption before he has to be put on the 53 and someone else has to be cut.

    He won’t be activated this week

  8. MikeFromNewJersey, I’d like to hear about your big adventure out to Seahawk land.

  9. HawkfaninMT says:

    Ah, good to know Chuck, thank you. That was the type of answer I was looking for. Seems that would be the only reason not to activate until the week of the game he intends to play in.

  10. yankinta says:

    Hmmm,, thanks Chuck… I didn’t know about that as well. :)

    As long as he can start participating fully in practice,, that’s all that matters… :)

  11. chuck_easton says:

    Also remember that nothing can be done with Harvin today anyway. It’s still officially week Six until after the Monday night game is over. The earliest Harvin can participate is tomorrow. Another reason to believe he won’t play this week. There would only be two days before the game.

    Also STTBM is right. Harvin hasn’t participated in a single full team practice. The full offence wasn’t installed until training camp and Harvin wasn’t there for a single day.

    It’s going to take a few weeks before he’s ready. It will take several weeks before Harvin can be a full participant.

  12. Buffalo just signed Matt Flynn

  13. 4 down, 28 to go.

  14. Having our Punter kick a chip shot fieldgoal (basically an extra point) was the right thing to do in the situation. Get the points going into half time get the ball in the 2nd half.
    Ryan is the back up kicker and may be needed in a more critical situation in the future so this was a practice run that did not go well due to a bad snap.
    The Bad snap to a new to a new Seahawks holder (he held kicks for 4 years in college, so it’s not like he’s never did it)he tried too hard to make a play instead of just eating it and it cost us a TD. Learning experience for all.
    Proper snap and no ones crying around about it other than those who always say to go for it and when it does not work gripe and moan about failing then say should have kicked it..
    Watched Ryan warming up 2nd half for kicks he can get it done out to the 40′s he showed power and good trajectory.
    Another problem I saw was the Kick coverage needs to be looked at.
    The returner was 8 yards deep and kept bringing it out, stopped him a few times close to the 20 but also let him get past the 20 several times. 8 yards deep the guy should be getting taken out 10-15 yd line.
    Why do kickers still use the 1 point (each side)chin straps? Are 2 point straps too difficult for them? 1 point straps are a broken nose just waiting to happen on contact.

  15. Browner isnt having a great season thus far. That said, how did the “different look” work out for us vs the Titans?! They subbed in Maxwell, and I swear, I think 6 passes in a row went to his guy, and they completed all but one! Didnt take too long and BB was back in, from what I remember.

    Browner is still our second best cornerback. Maxwell obviously isnt ready to start, nor is Thurmond. We’re stuck with what we have.

    Browner got screwed; the last two years, he was a top-10 corner, arguably top-5, but being paid like the fiftieth best. Now he’s aging and not playing as well, so a good contract may be hard to get.

    Thats why so many players get what they can, when they can, to the anger of coaches and fans. Cant say as I blame them.

  16. mindnbrad says:

    From what I saw the snap was not bad.

    I thought Thurmond played well.

    I think PC is spinning it to save BB’s confidence/ego…I think BB was benched.

  17. HawkfaninMT says:

    @STTBM: Are you sure they didn’t sub in Thurmond? I feel like I remember a specific play where WT dove over a diving Titans player to break up a pass on an out route from the outside. A spot that the outside corner in our system, not the slot cb would be covering…

    Also saw this on rotoworld (admittedly a fantasy football website):

    Least Valuable Player, Non-Cassel Division: Sidney Rice has caught more than two passes in exactly one game. He’s making $8.5 million.

  18. MauMau–The thing is, as a coach you have to look at worst case scenario in that situation; worst case scenario if you go for the TD is no points. Worst case scenario for attempting a FG is what happened the last two weeks–a block/muffed snap, and 7 points for the other team. In that situation, the smart thing to do is go for the TD–maximizing the opportunity while minimizing risk. Attempting the FG was minimizing the opportunity while maximizing risk.

    Carrol coached poorly in this game. He went for it on fourth and goal and got lucky, then when he should have gone for it on fourth and barely a yard later in the game, he kicked. Then he attempted a FG with backup kicker AND holder, and gave up 7 points. He burned a timeout–our last of the half–after a penalty. He also fielded a team that performed so sloppily–at home, no less–that discipline is obviously a word unknown to him.

  19. HawkfaninMT–They may have used WT3 at outside some, esp when NOT in nickel, but I watched at least 10 plays on a drive or two with #41 Maxwell at RCB, and the Titans went after him on almost every single pass play–and he nearly always gave up the reception.

  20. Thurmond gave up some completions as well, as usual. He’s just not as good as many here would like us to believe. At least Thomas got back on track, and stopped being a liability like the last two weeks. We’re back on track as a defense, if only the pass rush would solidify.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    They subbed both Maxwell and Thurmond in for Browner. So in that regard, you’re both correct.

  22. BB struggles against receivers like Wright and TY Hilton. Always has to some degree. He’s just not quick enough a lot of the time. I still like him, but every player has their weaknesses. I said before the year and still think he won’t get a big contract from the Hawks. Don’t see how they can afford it. Hopefully for the Hawks he has a limited market.

    Chuck is right about Harvin. They won’t activate him until he’s ready to play. I would assume that he begins practicing immediately if he is really physically ready. I wouldn’t expect him to play versus the Tards. I’m hoping he will in 2 weeks.

  23. I hope there isn’t a greased ball conspiracy going around – I remember similar suggestions were made when Romo bobbled the playoff snap…

    If anyone has ever tried to grip an NFL football, it’s worlds different than an NCAA football and it’s VERY slick right out of the box. If you ever get a look at Russels throwing hand after he’s used a new ball, you can see whatever dye or treatment they have on the leather staining his palms.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    BB is probably going to have a weak market. He’s a press-man CB. Not too many teams out there are going to play that kind of scheme. It’s too risky. Seattle has the luxury of a lockdown CB on the other side, so the secondary can rotate toward Browner’s side. That’s even fewer teams willing to cater to his strengths while covering for his weaknesses.

    It really should have been a no brainer to go for it on the botched FG. Too much can go wrong with a brand new kicker and holder that never practiced under live fire. But forgotten was just how craptacular the clock management was on that drive. A lot of time was wasted getting into scoring position in the first place. Hopefully they do better next time and the game was really on the line.

  25. jchawks08 says:

    I too like Browner a lot, but agree he won’t get the contract extension. Kam got his, and you know that Big Sherm and Earl are going to get theirs. There’s only so much to go around and sorry BB, but you’re the odd man out. And I’m ok with that.
    We have two capable young studs to take over. And we’re only going to draft more likely each year.
    We’ll also have some decisions on guys like K.J., Wagner, Okung, Wilson, and well.. pretty much everyone that isn’t locked in on a multi-year deal right now. With great players comes great Salary demands, and with a cap it’s going to be tough to hold onto all these guys we love right now.
    That being said, GO Hawks!

  26. Southendzone says:

    STT you’re not presenting the most fair picture of the go for it scenario. Worst case in going for it isn’t zero points, its fumble / INT return for TD, so same worst case in both choices.

    Next, I take issue with Carrol “getting lucky” on converting the 4th down for a TD, there’s a strong argument that he made the right call there to go for it. If you think your chances are 50% to score there, you should go for it. Not to mention if you fail you just pinned that horrible Tennessee offense at the 2 yard line.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    That’s what i wanted, worse case, they get the ball at the 2 yard line.

  28. It’s just speculation, but I think Carroll attempted the FG with Ryan to see if he could make a chip shot should Hauschka have been out the rest of the game and it came up later in the game. The chances of what happened happening are pretty low. I would hope that someone told Maragos to fall on it if there was a problem with the snap, but who knows.

    Say that Hauschka had been out the rest of the game. The Hawks have the ball on the 3 yard line down by 2 points with 3 seconds left in the game. He’d like to know if Ryan had a chance to make a chip shot.

  29. Southendzone–I agree, its usually the right call to go for it on fourth down and short–the stats back that up. But some luck was involved there. But if Carrol went for it the first time, he damned sure should have gone on fourth and less than one yard later, and he should have gone for the TD instead of the FG on the botched snap play.

    Worst case scenario on going for the TD is also a pick/fumble for a TD, but that is far less likely than something going wrong on a FG attempt with your backup kicker AND backup holder. THATS why we should have gone for it in that situation.

    With the problems our FG and ST have been having–even without losing our kicker and using a backup holder–it made it even more of a no-brainer to go for it.

    bbmate–You may have it right. I still think you dont bother attempting FG’s from that close with your backup holder and kicker. Its just not gonna work. Score TD’s, you wont have to worry about it…

  30. jawpeace says:

    Wow didn’t Kenny Britt set the world on fire! (That is for Yanika. Are you still wanting him to sign with the Hawks after seeing him yesterday?)

  31. I’m not so much worried about Harvin being playing on Thursday (but it would be nice)as I am about Miller. Our new 3rd string TE was pretty useless out there. Also, Gino has learned not to draw late hit penalties (finally!), so we need him out there.
    PS – we seemed to cut down on penalties yesterday – hope it continues.

  32. rramstad says:

    STTBM, I don’t agree that going for it earlier means you should go for it later.

    The earlier time you go for it on 4th and 1 or 2, you don’t make it, you end up putting the Titans in a terrible spot. You might get a safety, you might force a really bad punt, you might get a 3 and out and great field position… the fact that the game continues after you go for it makes the decision VERY VERY DIFFERENT than the other situation.

    When you go for it at the end of the half, with two seconds, the expectation is that this is the last play for either team. You go into the locker room after the play. So, there’s no opportunity for the other team to possess the ball… you aren’t going to get a safety, you aren’t going to have them punt from the back of the end zone, you aren’t going to get good field position later.

    Those are all advantages to going for it on fourth and short and not making it when there is still at least say six to eight minutes left in the game vs. going for it on fourth and short and not making it when there are two seconds left.

    Sure, it’s a four point swing, probably, between the two choices, but the kick is usually automatic, and going for it is definitely not.

    I also tend to agree with other posters that if it was totally unclear what the concussion situation was — as a head coach, I’d assume the worst, and I might very well want to see what the replacement guys can do from that spot… assume they’ll make it, but if they don’t and I have to play with them the rest of the way, I have learned something important for later.

  33. yankinta says:

    jawpeace,, lol, yes. I do. Only because his stock is DOWN and we might be able get him cheap with minimal signing bonus. Which would mean there’s NO RISKs and high reward. He has the skills of a legit No.1 WR in the NFL. There’s no questions about what he can do on a field.

    Now, that was the whole point of my bringing up Britt…. smh.

  34. rramstad–We were getting the ball after halftime, so that was another factor that had me convinced we should try for the TD rather than attempt a FG with backup holder and kicker.

    I told the other 2 Hawkfans at the bar why we shouldnt attempt a FG there, and why; I said “Watch them block block the kick, or we muff the snap, and it gets returned for a TD and we’re down 3 at the half instead of up by 4.”..And guess whaaat?!

    Regardless, I think Carrol called a very poor game. He’s perhaps the worst game-manager coach in the NFL. He just never gets it right. This aint college, dude…

    And its kinda fun to second guess the Head Dude, aint it?! We all have our opinions, thats for sure!

  35. HawkyHann says:

    I want to see more of Maxwell. Thurmond is ok.

  36. doubledink says:

    STTBM,
    That call is typical Carroll. That’s why SF has the edge on us in the “in-game coaching” category.

  37. HawkyHann–Ive always liked Maxwell, but after seeing him on sunday, its safe to say he isnt ready for Prime Time; he got beaten like a Red-headed Stepchild.

    Its bad enough we have to watch Sweezy play every snap even though he isnt ready to start, I dont want a Youth Movement that benches better vets for “learning” youngsters. Same with Thurmond. If they thought he was better than BB even on a bad day, they’d play him at RCB instead of the nickel.

    Doubledink–yes, the lack of discipline demonstrated by Carroll teams is legendary. Its one of the things I dislike the most about his regime. I really wish we could play solid, assignment-correct football like the Niners–and still whup the Niners lol!

  38. The only thing wrong with that field goal attempt to close the first half is that we asked Ryan to kick it. I expect he could kick that easily, and probably some longer. However, because he is our holder we end up having two thirds of the critical FG trio doing something new in that situation. Seems to me that if we want Ryan to be the holder then we need someone else to be the back up kicker. That way only one third changes. Same for the long snapper and the holder. None of those three should be backing up any of the others. It becomes a recipe for disaster…as we saw Sunday.

  39. Never realized ET was a “liability” for any two week stretch. lol

  40. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Britt didn’t look anything like a legit #1 receiver. Granted our D can make many receivers look pretty average. He’s not worth the time and he’s going to want a large multiyear deal. He’s not going to sign a cheap one year deal. But as his agent, maybe you can convince him.

  41. He made several glaring errors that would have been unacceptable for a rookie in both those games, costing us TD’s both times. I’d call that a liability.

  42. I thought Danny O’Neil’s idea of the drop-kick was a great one! Don’t need a holder. If that BC QB can hit them than sure as heck ryan can too! Interesting article on why use the punter for the holder: http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Do-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

  43. For Decades the Back-up QB was the holder, but teams started moving to the punter and after the Romo (became the starter but still had to hold) play here in Seattle you have seen very few other QB’s hold.

    I think it is a good idea to have the Punter hold but in the situation we had on Sunday I think they should have gone with Tjack – someone who touches the ball more often.

    At the time I was really upset they didn’t go for it on 4th – worst case scenario is you don’t get it and then they have to drive 99+ yards – essentially ending the half – work your new holder (if needed over half time) and be more ready to go in the 2nd half.

    NO ONE – would have 2nd guessed that decision based on the amount of time they would have to work on a solution.

  44. Funny but Sherman was giving up a TON of easy 1st down catches!!

    They would motion the guy in front of him – if RS followed they ran the slant an RS couldn’t jam him. 8 steps later – 1st down catch and usually not RS making the tackle. Happened multiple times.

  45. xcman–You cant say anything about the Sainted Sherman…or the Sainted Thomas for that matter…they are both Football Jesus…

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