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Morning links: Kearse trying to master his craft

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 11, 2013 at 6:42 am with 64 Comments »
October 11, 2013 12:42 am

Good morning.

For today’s paper I wrote about Jermaine Kearse. I covered him while he was at Washington. You hear the same things now that you did then: Kearse comes out of his breaks very well and runs smooth routes. His hands were inconsistent then. He seems to be better now. One thing Kearse did a lot, and well, at Washington was use a double move down the middle of the field. We’ll see if Russell Wilson ever has the time to set up something like that for Kearse.

With offensive weapons in mind, our John McGrath says the Seahawks would be happy to take TE Tony Gonzalez off Atlanta’s hands.

On to the links:

> The NFL Countdown crew makes their picks in the Seahawks-Titans game:

> Here’s Mike Sando with the “Inside Edge” on the Seahawks-Titans game. Scotty immediately beamed him back up at the conclusion of the segment:

> The Everett Herald takes a look at Russell Wilson scrambling.

> The trip later in the season to New York is looking less and less competitive. Giants QB Eli Manning continued his disaster of a season with three more picks Thursday night. The Giants remained winless. Manning has 15 interceptions in six games. Fifteen. In six games.

> Speaking of bad quarterback play, Matt Schaub’s gig is on the line this weekend.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’ve been eating a lot of Crow with regards to Kearse this season.

    Interesting stats-

    - The Saints defense is 32nd in yards per carry allowed.

    - The Saints offense is 29th in yards per carry.

    I can’t wait till they come to town.

  2. yankinta says:

    Prediction Time…. I am thinking Seahawks win 24-14 this Sunday….

    This will not be a blow out. At the most win by 2 TDs…

  3. Seahawkfan78 says:

    I figured Green Bay would be going after Flynn. He knows the system, he thrived in that system, why not bring him back. I never thought he was that bad of a QB. Wilson is just better leader.

  4. ChrisHolmes says:

    Oh man… I’d wet my pants if we landed Gonzalez. I love him. Class act all the way. Hall of Famer. One of my favorite players of all time (and a vegetarian – props to him).

    I can’t see our FO making such a move though. Not even sure it makes fiscal sense.

  5. yankinta says:

    lol Gonzalez?? I seriously doubt we have room in the Cap for him. Plus we need to save whatever we have to carryover and extend Earl and Richard….

  6. yankinta says:

    Here’s a little Fun Fact for those that called me crazy and said Titans have Zero Chance to win their Division Colts…. :)

    Titans are one of the very Few Teams, that has had a LEAD in the 4th Quarter, in all 5 Games..(even with backup QB the last 2 games). They could easily be 5-0.

  7. ChrisHolmes says:

    @yankinta Gonzalez is retiring after the season. We’d be paying him for a one-year rental.

    Extending our players will have more to do with how we handle Rice’s contract.

  8. princeaden says:

    I don’t know if it the knee or what but Rice seems to me like he can get no separation.I kind of wish they would’ve found a way to keep Stephan Williams around to compete to be Rice’s replacement next year.

  9. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes,, what I meant was, I think he’s getting paid decent money this year,,, not Vet minimum. I don’t think we have that much room in the cap right now. I’m too lazy to look up the exact numbers but I think you get the gist. :)

  10. HawkfaninMT says:

    A couple thoughts:

    A post or two back suggested trading for LG Charlie Johnson from the Vikings… No! The Hawks have a relatively soft schedule until the we get Okung back. Unger will upgrade the entire line, These young guys are only going to get better with experience. Just let them play.

    Gonzalez has stated he will void any trade. Not happening. beyond the salary implications… Not happening.

    Predicition time? Pain… Hawks D is going to dominate this game and OL starts to gel… 31-10

    Just for good measure… Cards over Niners 17-13; Texans over Rams 24-6

  11. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree HawkfaninMT, just let them play. I don’t think there is anything outside of just getting healthy and getting more experience for the young O-lineman that will make this line better this year.

    If they start trading for guys now and/or pick up a free agent or two it will just mess with any continuity and/or chemistry that the O-line has developed at this point imo.

  12. montanamike2 says:

    I’m in a similar train of thought about the o-line except when Okung gets back, i think he will be a huge impact upgrade.

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Gonzalez would be nice to have for sure. He just killed us last year in the playoffs.

    Ironically the team he left to play for a Super Bowl contender is now possibly a Super Bowl contender at 5-0.

  14. ChrisHolmes says:

    @GeorgiaHawk Yep… I was noticing that bit of irony too. I’m sure others have as well. I’m kind of surprised the media hasn’t asked Gonzalez about it yet, because that’s the kind of crass question they love to ask.

    You can’t really blame Gonzalez though. At the time, that particular KC regime, things just didn’t look good, and it didn’t seem like it was going to turn around anytime soon.

    I was a fan of Scott Pioli too. I thought what he did in New England was good work, but then the reports coming out of KC made me cringe…. Sounds like the Gestapo was running that franchise. I can understand why Gonzalez wanted out.

  15. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I’m all in for going after Gonzalez, I think he would fit in very nicely. Just having him on the field would open things up for the rest of the team, he is still a threat and sonebody the defense would have to pay attention too.

    P.S. About 11 hours until I touch down at SeaTac

  16. yankinta says:

    I am all out on Gonzalez. Even if he wants to come here,, I want us to save and carryover the money we would spend on him, to extend Earl and Sherman.., while cutting Rice and resigning Tate for 5 Mil a year (good No.2 WR money)…. Next year, I want us to go after Kenny Britt too, I bet he’ll take a cheap contract to come play for us like Cliff and Bennett did….

    I don’t not want us to draft Tackles early next year but definitely draft Guards early,,,someone like Larry Warford (3rd round pick from last year)….now that dude is Killing DT’s at Guard Position…

  17. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Kenny Britt is bad news, we dont want anything to do with him.

  18. seahawkNJ says:

    MikeFromNJ…have a sick time dude! I’m living vicariously through you my NJ brother.

  19. ChrisHolmes says:

    I second the notion to leave Britt out of our locker room.

    But I don’t have to worry. I know our FO would never make such a boneheaded move.

    As for Gonzalez: having a nice weapon at TE doesn’t mean much if you have to leave him in to block to help out a bad OL. And that’s what we have right now: a bad OL.

    Zach Miller is not exactly a bad TE. He had a pretty good post season last year when he no longer had to spend all his time blocking.

    Our OL needs seasoning and our vets need to get healthy.

  20. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    @seahawkNJ Thanks my friend, i sure will. Where abouts in Jersey are you?

  21. seahawkNJ says:

    A stones throw from Metlife Stadium…pass it everyday on my way into the city. It’s going to look lovely draped in Seahawks blue come February. How about you?

  22. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes, I guess I disagree. I trust our FO and this FO is All about Competition. They’d definitely turn over all Rocks and look at everything, especially top receiving talent like Britt. Don’t forget they tried to bring in Marshall. If Britt is misbehaving in anyway, he’ll get cut like LenDale White. And I love that they will give everyone a chance to compete.

  23. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    im close too, im about 20 minutes west of the meadowlands. I’m also going to the game agaisnt the giants in december.
    Trying not think about that game in February being played so close to home.

  24. There is a difference in LenDale White and Kenny Britt – Britt has been a nightmare for his team. White just didn’t think he had to work hard to stick around.

    I would be HIGHLY disappointed if they brought him in, but as we know – they will do what they think they need to do and can do to get better. I don’t think they will go down this route but you never know.

  25. yankinta says:

    xcman,, I see your point but Percy Harving was also a headache for Vikings as well. Their coaches and FO were glad to get rid of him,, according to some sources… :)

    I would be happy if they try everything and everything to get that No.1 WR Threat for WR,,. Britt has that kind of talent. Just ask Matt Hasselbeck, :)

  26. yankinta says:

    I meant No.1 WR Threat for RW,,,, I type too fast sometimes,, smh…

  27. Dukeshire says:

    How many time has Harvin been arrested? None that I’m aware of. Britt’s got two, including a felony (later reduced). And for a 40ish reception, 700ish yard receiver, that trouble can stay away, thank you.

  28. ChrisHolmes says:

    Bringing in Britt doesn’t make any logical sense.

    First, there’s the character issues. Enough said.

    Second, why? How many WR’s are you going to put on the field at one time? Eleven?

    We already can’t get the ball to the receivers we have because of protection issues. We’re not missing a headache WR like Britt. We’re missing OL play.

    We have plenty of receivers. Even if the team lets Rice go next year, we’re still fine. We have four guys that can make plays. I like the idea of lining up Kearse, Baldwin, Harvin and Tate in 4WR sets next season… That is some aerial power right there. And I trust (and would rather see) the FO find another body through the draft, where the price tag is sure to be more palatable than any contract Britt would demand.

    We have to get better up front first. Draft, FA, whatever – our OL has to improve.

    WR is the least of our worries. Our concerns after the season is over should be OL and resigning our core guys.

  29. ChrisHolmes says:

    “How many time has Harvin been arrested? None that I’m aware of. Britt’s got two, including a felony (later reduced). And for a 40ish reception, 700ish yard receiver, that trouble can stay away, thank you.”

    Exactly.

  30. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes,, you don’t get it. I’m saying bring him into training camp to compete. Not onto the field, he has to earn that. smh…

  31. yankinta says:

    How many time has Marshall been arrested? Yet we tried to trade for him when he was at Denver…. This FO will turnover every Rocks to find talent to improve this team. Which makes this FO, the BEST in the NFL.

  32. doubledink says:

    Last night Michael Irvin renamed “Pick 6s” as “Matt Schaubs”
    Brutal.

  33. Marshall has been arrested zero – since he started receiving help for Mental health issues in 2010 or 2011.

  34. chuck_easton says:

    Britt can’t even get on the field for his current team. And he knows he won’t be re-signed after this season.

    I never say never with this FO but I don’t see a situation where they would bring a troubled player like Britt in at any price.

    Also, I see Rice sticking around next season. I think he’ll take a pay cut to stay. I know it’s not popular on here, but I look at what his teammates and his coach says about him. They all love him and feel he is the undisputed leader of the WR’s.

    Plus, I’m not entirely convinced that Tate will re-sign with Seattle. He will likely be looking for #1 money and that has already gone to Harvin. You can’t pay 2 WR’s 10+ million a year.

    Rice’s contract for next season is not high as things stand, but I think he’ll know that a little less is better than 0.

  35. chuck_easton says:

    Again, this isn’t a popular position on here, but I don’t see next year as a Tate or Rice choice. Even if Rice was cut that would only give the team 7 million to try to pay Tate. I honestly think Tate is going to want to go FA and try for the 10-12 million a season payday.

    Seattle can’t pay Tate 10+.

    My gut reaction says Tate walks for the big payday, Rice stays at a reduction, and that money goes to trying to re-up Thomas and/or Sherman.

    Not that I hate Tate. Love him. Just like I love Rice, Kearse, and Baldwin. But I see Tate as a the type of WR that wants to be ‘the man’. Won’t be that here, and it’s not because Rice is in his way. It’s that 12+ million the team gave to the Invisible WR (some guy that is supposed to be on the team but has not been to a single practice or game all year).

    So, the people that are pushing for Tate to get the big payday. I think it’s coming down to does the team keep Harvin or Tate?

  36. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton,, lol no team will pay over 7 mil a year to Tate. Just look at his production.. :)

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Tate’s not injury prone and he can play special teams.
    My hope is that Rice takes a reduction in pay and they somehow keep them altogether for one more year. Mainly because you don’t know if Harvin and Rice can make it healthy through a season.

  38. doubledink says:

    Tate is a #2 WR and I doubt anyone sees him as a legit #1

  39. ChrisHolmes says:

    @yankinta Oh, I do get it: you’re enamored with Kenny Britt, for whatever reason.

    I don’t see Britt coming to Seattle without a multiyear contract just to compete against our receivers in training camp for a roster spot. He’s going to be a free agent and he’s going to target teams with poor WR rosters where he thinks he can get a multiyear deal. We’re not a fit for him, nor is he a fit for us, nor do we need headcases like him.

    By the way: Britt has been involved with the police 9 times since he joined the NFL (according to his wikepedia page).

    Nine Times.

    That’s a pattern of behavior.

    And don’t even try and compare him to Marshall. Brandon Marshall suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder. It’s a serious disease that he opening acknowledges and seeks treatment for. It’s not the same thing as comparing him to someone who makes bad decisions, a la Britt. People who suffer from BPD should not be, in any way, compared to troublemakers who constantly get themselves involved with law enforcement. BPD is not the kind of thing that should be unfairly categorized in the same way as a person who runs afoul of the law.

    I’ve said this on this blog before, so I’ll not beat a dead horse too much, but human beings are pretty straight forward creatures when it comes to behavior. Those humans who make a habit out of making bad decisions rarely remedy such behavior. Britt’s 9 run-ins with the law place him squarely in Pacman Jones or Lawrence Phillips territory. He’s trouble any way you slice it, and he doesn’t have a mental illness to use as an excuse. He’s just dumb.

    There’s no upside to bringing Britt in. It’s big risk for minimal (if any) reward.

  40. ChrisHolmes says:

    @chuck_easton I think you have a valid point in that I can see Tate as the kind of player who might test the FA waters to see what he can get elsewhere. I may be wrong about that… and hope I am.

    But even if Tate does test free agency, I am not sure there will be an suitors for his services at the price range he might desire. And that’s going to be the key.

    Tate’s an explosive guy. He’s a playmaker. I believe we have to find him more frequently in games because I believe he can be a difference maker. If another team sees him that way… maybe they will want to pony up in the offseason.

    But I hope he finds his way back here when all is said and done, with some kind of multiyear deal that makes financial sense for his team. Because I think he can and should be a key WR cog in our offence.

  41. yankinta says:

    I’m not enamored with Kenny Britt. I’m enamored with having a Legit No.1 Receiver for RW…. like Luck has with Reggie Wayne, or Matt Ryan has it with Julio Jones or AJ Green is for ….., so on and so on. :)

    Having a Legit No.1 WR is a High reward. It’s worth bringing anyone into training camp to compete with what we have.

  42. yankinta says:

    As for Tate,, he’s a good player but not a speedster like TY Hilton. I’d much rather have TY Hilton than Tate….someone who can take a top off of a Defense.

  43. HawkfaninMT says:

    Well why dont we look at FA last year for WRs to try and equate one of them to Tate interms of production and opportunity.

    Brian Hartline go 6 yrs 30M, 12.5 M Guaranteed
    Danny Amendola got 5 yrs 31M, 10M Guaranteed

    Are these what we think Tate is? If so, I would say ^M per year is what he will be looking at

  44. Good comparison.

  45. chuck_easton says:

    And I agree that Tate SHOULD be in the 5-6 million a season range. I’m just not sure if that is what Tate thinks he’s worth.

    Now if he is offered and he takes it, then GREAT.

    I do think that in spite of what people say on here, Rice is being paid right around where he should be. He’s currently considered the team’s #1 WR and his contract is now only paying him in the #2 WR pay range of 7-8 million.

    I could easily see the team asking Rice to take a paycut next season down to about 5 million. Whether he does it or not will be his choice. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Rice is let go that he isn’t signed elsewhere for right around what Seattle is currently paying him.

  46. HawkfaninMT says:

    Exactly Chuck… Another aspect of this is what he would worth to another team vs what he (whether “he” is Rice or Tate)is worth to us. As a team that is going to generally be at the top of the league in rushing attempts… Would our money be better spent spending 6M on a top notch run blocking Guard, or on a guy that would be the 2nd or 3rd wr?

    Now a team like Dallas if they were to move on from Austin, or Detroit who throws the ball a record amount of times… They would make sense to pay 6M for a 2nd WR

  47. It doesn’t really matter what Tate thinks he’s worth. It matters what he’s able to get a team to pay him. My jaw would hit the floor if he gets 10+ mil a year. And I do like him as a player. I’m becoming more convinced that Rice will have to take a pay cut or be cut. It does depend on how it goes with Tate though. And they will have to give Baldwin at least another approx. 1.5 mil to keep him in 2014.

  48. HawkfaninMT says:

    If I were to guess they will let Tate test the market and he will get a deal around 6M per to start as a teams 2nd WR to Calvin Johnson, or Dez Bryant. Rice will be asked to restructure, and take a pay cut. Which he will because he is comfortable with the system, he is getting a little older, and his family is probably well rooted in the Seattle area now.

    WRs next year will be:

    Harvin
    Rice
    Baldwin
    Kearse
    Rookie

    Now enough of this “next year”stuff! On to Tennessee!

  49. jawpeace says:

    Common guys, not one of you have mentioned resigning Baldwin. That guy makes the third down catches. He to me would be the best value for the money to resign. Next year Harvin slot, and Baldwin and Kearse on the outside. Would be a great WR core. As someone mentioned too bad about Williams being let go as he could have been the tall 4th guy.

    Yankinta normally you make a pretty good argument, but Britt is TERRIBLE. Bum knees and is a bum.

  50. yankinta says:

    jawpeace, Thanks but I’m only saying give him a cheap contract and bring him in for tryouts (training camp tryout),, if he doesn’t blow competition out of the water, he’ll be cut before Preseason,, C’mon what do we have to lose?? Paul Allen’s money?? :)

  51. ChrisHolmes says:

    For starters, Britt isn’t a #1 receiver.

    And we already have a #1 receiver this year, but we don’t have an OL that can block long enough for him to run a route properly. You can have all the #1 receivers you want – hell, line four of ‘em up at the same time if you want to – but if your OL can’t block worth a darn, then it doesn’t matter.

    $6m a year for Tate sounds about right. I like Tate’s playmaking ability. He’s cat-quick and can make good cuts to get open. I’d hate to see us lose him. He makes tough catches.

    Who cares about taking the top off a defense? Rice did that last year – remember the New England game? Tate and Kearse both have enough speed to make teams pay if they disrespect the long ball. How many deep balls does a team throw per game? How many do we throw? Not enough to justify it as a focal point.

    It’s more important to have receivers who can consistently win on intermediate routes. That’s why guys like Larry Fitzgerald and Megatron are “#1 receivers” – not because they’re so fast they can “take the top off a defense”, but because they run intermediate routes so well they get open and present a good target to their QB, and because they make tough catches; they have strong hands and win battles.

    Takes makes tough catches and wins battles (I’m not saying he’s a #1 – don’t read into that – I’m just saying he has attributes you want to see in the intermediate passing game).

    In the NFL, the passing game is won and lost inside 15 yards. If your receivers can’t get open in that range then it doesn’t matter how fast they are.

    Look at what Peyton Manning is doing this year. He has only thrown 13 passes of more than 20 yards this season (reference: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/402492-the-leagues-weakest-arm-mannings).

    And yet he’s on pace to break every single season passing record known to man.

    How is he doing that? How is he doing that with a weak arm that causes the ball to flutter when it travels beyond 15 yards?

    Because inside of 15 yards his receivers win.

    That, and Peyton Manning’s anticipation and knowledge of defenses allows him to release the ball before the defenders even know what’s coming.

    We don’t need a burner to “take the top off” of defenses. We need an OL that can protect Russell Wilson so he can go through his progressions, and we need receivers who can get open in the intermediate routes.

    RW is a smart guy. He’s only going to get better because of his study habits and work ethic. You give him a line and a clean pocket and he’s going to make teams pay.

    Britt isn’t an answer here.

    Keeping Tate would be my priority. But I like the kid and think his quickness and playmaking ability is underrated.

    Rice… I’m not sure the *value* is there. He’s a #1, but we spread the ball around too much for his salary. We aren’t like the Bengals or Falcons, teams who really lean on a single WR to get yards.

    I’d rather have a team full of Golden Tate’s and a great OL than a #1, a burner, and a crap OL.

  52. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Common guys, not one of you have mentioned resigning Baldwin. That guy makes the third down catches. He to me would be the best value for the money to resign.”

    That’s because I think (and probably others do too) that it’s a forgone conclusion we resign him.

    Baldwin’s not going anywhere. a

  53. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes,,, LOL really? who cares about taking a top off of a Defense?? wow,, you really didn’t know?? I’ll explain anyway, in case you didn’t know.

    It’s about doing that consistently, not doing it once a game. The threat of being able to take the top off of a Defense will force Defenses to adjust,, meaning they’d have to have their Safety deep or force them to play Tampa 2,, that HELPS our Run game, cuz their safety or safeties cannot come down to the box…. Not sure what’s wrong with Rice but he cannot get deep/open consistently, especially this season.

    And it’s not about throwing many deep passes…. it’s about the Threat,, Peyton has a couple of guys that can get Deep, which allows him throw more intermediate passes to Wide Open receivers…

    I guess this is like Football 201 (not 101) so not many people understand it. :)

  54. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk, sorry dude, I have to leave now. If you wanna crack another joke cuz I leaving this blog for the weekend, go read my response to your comment from yesterday… :)

  55. Kellen Winslow suspended 4 games for PED’s

  56. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Jawpiece: I did!

    I think Baldwin is either re-signed or tendered at as a 1st or 2nd round pick

  57. doubledink says:

    somehow weekends on this blog sound very interesting…

  58. One regular blogger here said that Britt was a Hall of Fame player a few years ago when Hasselbeck was playing well for the Titans (and before Britt tore his ACL that year). I would assume that he’d give anything to have Britt replace one of his favorite whipping boys in Rice?

  59. doubledink says:

    could we expect a comment on that from said blogger this weekend?

  60. ChrisHolmes says:

    @yankinta Your lack of reading comprehension is staggering.

  61. jawpeace says:

    HawkfaniNMT, Yeah I noticed that after I posted, as you posted when I was typing and yours did not show until I posted. Glad that you and a few others see the value of our blue collar wide-out.

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