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Morning links: Managing Marshawn

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 10, 2013 at 6:36 am with 56 Comments »
October 10, 2013 1:42 am

Good morning.

After seeing Marshawn Lynch carry 11 times in the first half and six times in the second half against the Colts, I saw a lot of questions crop up as to why that happened. So, I asked and took a look at Lynch’s workload early on this season as compared to last year. Really, he’s right on pace. That’s what I wrote about for today’s paper.

Another interesting note on a separate topic: The Seahawks had the youngest starting offensive unit in Week 5 in the NFL. Average age was 25 years and 207 days. Jacksonville was second.

Our Dave Boling wrote about Jake Locker. Locker was just hitting his groove before two Jets hit him and injured his hip.

On to the links:

> Seahawks.com says K.J. Wright is ready to start in the middle, if needed. I have a strong feeling that will be necessary this Sunday. Also, the Seahawks get very thin very fast at linebacker in that scenario, with the only backups being Heath Farwell in the middle and Mike Morgan and O’Brien Schofield listed as options on the outside. Expecting more Bruce Irvin was logical before this. It’s fair to expect a lot more Irvin now.

> Seahawks.com also focuses on Max Unger and what his return could mean to the line.

> ESPN.com also looked at Bobby Wagner, who has a high ankle sprain, being hurt.

> The Tennessean says the Titans must overcome the noise at CenturyLink.

> I thought this was very interesting: The NFL has managed to aid the signing of a bill that helps California keep from paying injured athletes. According to the LA Times, there is a lot of misinformation around the bill, namely that paying athletes injured in the state of California costs taxpayers money. It doesn’t.

> Here’s a transcript of a live chat with the authors of “League of Denial.”

> A writer at NFL.com argues the Falcons should trade Tony Gonzalez to a contender in need of a tight end.

> Also at NFL.com, they wonder if Andrew Luck is a top-5 quarterback. Not sure why I am linking this since readers of this blog are in such agreement about Luck.

Leave a comment Comments → 56
  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It would be nice to have Allen Bradford right now.

  2. yankinta says:

    lol, that article is Garbage…. Tom Brady at No. 10? He’s has ZERO NFL caliber receivers to work with, and his best is Julian Edelman…. smh,, but I’m not surprised at the overreaction by National Media….they’re supposed to do their job…but still, smh…

  3. sluggo42 says:

    The titans say they will deal with the noise… I doubt it. Nobody does
    12th man…

  4. montanamike2 says:

    Fitzpatrick at Clink! Toast! The jam will be the beatdown from a team that’s pissed off. GeorgiaHawk, i was mad they let him go(Bradford), he tore it up in preseason, he looked like Bobby Wagner’s little brother.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see Seattle play Irvin at Will in nickel, if Wagner can’t go. He played there some last week. One thing we won’t see I don’t imagine, is that 3-3 nickel package, but a more traditional nickel with 4 d linemen.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    Sluggo – That reminds me of what Mike Tyson once said: “Everyone has a plan until they he punched in the mouth.”

  7. yankinta says:

    Very Encouraging Article!! I love it!!

    We finally have a Good with Potential to be Great at Right Tackle…. :)

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1803839-seattle-seahawks-have-long-term-solution-at-offensive-tackle-in-michael-bowie

  8. CDHawkFan says:

    I know there are examples of high ankle sprains lasting for weeks/months (Okung/Ware), but didn’t Wagner come back into the game last week after his injury?

    If so, I would guess its not a bad one and would expect him back this Sunday.

    Did Wagner finish the game?

  9. montanamike2 says:

    Tony Gonzalez would veto any trade, he only came back because he thought he might win a ring or two. I wish he’d come here but i’m living in realty.

  10. montanamike2 says:

    With Atlanta.

  11. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Wagner will miss a month, thats my prediction. Seahawk injuries never seem serious at first, but usually they take time coming back.

  12. rramstad says:

    CD, the issue with Wagner is it isn’t uncommon for a high ankle sprain to be workable when it first happens, and then it can get very stiff and sore after the game is over. The soft tissues separate from the bone and require time and rest to heal.

    Similar things can happen with shoulder and arm injuries… basically any extremity, for the most part, while you’ve got adrenalin and blood pumping, it’s easy to ignore the pain signals, but once the activity stops and the area is allowed to cool down, it stiffens up, and is hard to work with.

    Typical return times for high ankle sprains are four to six weeks. If it’s exceptionally mild, it’s possible Wagner will miss two weeks or so, but given how they are behaving, and our schedule, I bet they hold him out longer.

  13. sluggo42 says:

    lol Duke, I remember that. What a beast he was early on. He gave me his phone number too!
    fee fofo, fi fo fee fi…

  14. thursday says:

    Ahahah that Titans article. I like where Munchak is all, move the ball and it gets real quiet. I hate to break it to you coach, but it doesn’t. If anything it gets louder.

  15. ChrisHolmes says:

    @MikeFromNewJersey Well, and it’s not “Seahawks Injuries”, it’s more the fact that it’s a high ankle sprain. Those just take time and there’s nothing you can really do to rush it.

    Shame, but I still think our LB corpse will be okay. We’re hitting the Titans at the right time. With Locker down I expect less teeth and more reliance on the run game, which we should stuff.

  16. ChrisHolmes says:

    One thing to consider, when evaluating Bowie’s effectiveness, is that Jeanepierre was playing center and calling protections, and from what I understood during the post game pressers, he made a few wrong protection calls. So some of Bowie’s misses or confusion or tentativeness about who to block might be directly attributable to the center.

    It will be interesting to examine his play this week if Unger comes back and plays the full game and can make those veteran calls instead. I suspect we’ll see improvement from Bowie on that front.

    I’d love for Seattle to have a future alternative to Giacomini, because he just hasn’t been very good.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Good call, Chris. Carroll eluded to miss-reads regarding protection calls in his presser. One has to believe that Unger’s return will remedy that.

  18. seahawkNJ says:

    This might be my favorite thing I’ve ever read on this site “Not sure why I am linking this since readers of this blog are in such agreement about Luck.”

    FTW Todd!!

  19. yankinta says:

    seahawkNJ, and you like my reply to Todd better though, right?? :)

  20. chuck_easton says:

    As to Seattle injuries it is always death by a thousand paper cuts when getting Carroll to give up any long term information.

    It is always ‘he’s real close. He’s day to day. He’s a game time decision’.

    But come game day he tried but he’s just not ready.

    I’ve just learned that when a Seattle player is injured its season long until that player actually steps on the field come game time.

    Wagner is out indefinitely until further notice.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    All the more reason (Chuck) to have Bradford or that promising long haired dude.
    What was his name? Did any team pick him up?

  22. Loteleile (sp?). Yes he got picked up by Seattle South-East AKA the Jags

  23. WiscCory says:

    Sluggo – that’s not right, but it did make me chuckle.

    Yank – last week you predicted it, and this week I’ll predict it. Hawks win easy – double digits against the tough Titans. I know Tenn is a good team this year, however back-up QB + the loudest stadium ever = blowout. Plus, the Hawks D is still pretty darn good, even without B-Wag.

  24. Wagners in a boot so pretty sure he’s out this week, sounds like at least a couple weeks
    Hope Unger is all healed up sounds like they want him playing this week, just don’t want to see him make it worse and be out longer Division games next 2 weeks on the road

  25. yankinta says:

    WiscCory,, lol that’s too easy. How about Colts and Chargers?? What’s your pick? :)

  26. MikeFromNewJersey you have sunday all figured out yet?
    If you want to come tailgate with our group feel free to stop bye tons of food and great fans.
    Lot SW of Stadium Between Occidental (the road right in front of the Clink)and 1st/First between Silver Cloud Hotel and Hawks Nest Bar on 1st and a Seattle Team Store on Occidental in Black Dodge PU with Camper usually center of lot, Flying the 12 flag and others Have a custom MAUMAU Jersey #90. Tailgating pretty much is going strong by 7am ish

  27. @CH Description of “our LB corpse” might be a bit harsh; that moniker should be reserved for Curry. ;)

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks jboard1.
    At least these players are going to a place that there is little chance they can come back to bit us in the tail down the road.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Big time Seahawks hater here- I wonder if he is Skips son.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eJqH-GLXjI

  30. HAHA Georgia, wow! That dude in the white must be related to Skippy boy. Good lord, he knows nothing about the hawks. He was clearly basing seattles road games from back in the 90′s. I can’t believe dudes like this even get airtime…what a joke

  31. WiscCory says:

    Yank – I think the Colts should win, however I took the Chargers with low points in my confidence pool in a play of strategy – because I think everyone else will be picking the Colts.

    The Colts are Cinderella, and it will strike midnight sometime soon. Maybe this week.

  32. yankinta says:

    That’s Krap!! you copied me!! cuz I had picked the Chargers since Tuesday…. lol. :)

  33. ChrisHolmes says:

    @GeorgiaHawk That was funny.

    Like Kat Williams says, if you don’t have any haters you’re doing something wrong…

  34. Comments from Cable:

    On getting Max Unger back this week and if that will help the play of the tackles: “It won’t change, You still have a young guy at right (Michael Bowie) who has got to learn how to be consistent and then a guy at left (Paul McQuistan), you get everything he is capable of. So I don’t know that that really changes that. Lem (Lemuel Jeanpierre) did a terrific job in terms of targeting and adjusting and getting us re-directed and all that, so Max, probably more than anything it will make it a little more comfortable for guys in there, so some confidence will come with that.”

    On if consistency remains the biggest challenge for Bowie: “I think it is for every young player. And yet he displayed that this last game and it was really good to see, so if he can just keep doing it. That’s the key, regardless of what happened last week, what do you do this week? And from Houston to Indianapolis much better — now can you do it again? That’s the consistency I’m talking about, so that’s what I hope for.”

    On what has allowed Bowie to step in and play as a rookie: “He’s a tremendous competitor first and foremost, and he gets it. He likes the battle. He gets himself prepared to do it. His only downfall is he just hasn’t done it a lot yet. But he is really doing some cool things, so we are excited.”

    On the guard play against the Colts: “I think J.R. (Sweezy) is playing better and better every time he goes out. What a great opportunity it was two weeks ago and then to come back this week and just shut a guy down, it was pretty apparent that he grew from the Houston effort. James (Carpenter), I thought we get a tremendous first half out of him and we want to see him finish and be more consistent in the second half. But he’s coming on as well.”

    On if stamina is Carpenter’s issue in being consistent in the second half: “I think it can be part that. I think more of it is kind of a mental approach. It’s like what we just said with Mike, it doesn’t matter what you did in the first half, can you come out and be as good or better in the second half? That’s kind of our whole thing — finish better.”

    On McQuistan’s play against the Colts: “He’s doing the best he’s capable of and what a nice nob last week. (Robert) Mathis is really good and he gave up the one sack fumble. Other than that he blocked him the rest of the game so it was okay.”

  35. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    @MauMau

    Thank you very much, since I don’t have any real plans before the game I may take you up on your offer. Very nmuch looking forward to my trip.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Sweezy still hasn’t allowed a sack this season.

    I think the O-line will slowly get better from here on out. Hopefully they will get it all together come playoff time.

    http://www.cadillacnews.com/ap_story/?story_id=163197&ap_cat=3&issue=20131009

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW LVHawk, thanks for the Cable comments.

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Check out the players lounge video-

    http://www.titansonline.com/

  39. freedom_X says:

    Sweezy hasn’t allowed a sack? According to some of the regulars here, that can’t be possible. Sweezy should be replaced by the 1st warm body Seattle can pull off the street. Sweezy is horrible, don’t the play-charters know that? Cable must be paying them off.

    On KJR, Doug Farrar has the opinion that Seattle’s secondary holes against the Colts is not just a product of lack of focus or intensity. Farrar believes that the Colts figured out some holes in Seattle’s coverage concepts and started exploiting them.

    If true, hopefully Seattle’s coaching staff is self-scouting and getting counters in place instead of just depending on “cranking it up.” (Though Farrar also opines that the Titan offensive system/route combinations are far less sophisticated than the Colts and probably wouldn’t product the same results even if Seattle stayed pat.)

  40. ChrisHolmes says:

    The thing is, we’d have a lot more sacks given up if we didn’t have the RW under center. His ability to escape has probably saved Sweezy from being credited with several sacks.

    The whole OL hasn’t played well though. Hard to beat up on one guy when the whole unit has been atrocious.

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:

    freedom_X- Funny how it’s ok to give 1st round pick Carpenter 3 years to get it together, however Sweezy a 7th round pick that played Defense in College gets half that time to get it together.

    Go figure?

  42. Dukeshire says:

    I would agree with Doug Farrar on that.

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ChrisHolmes- I agree.

    If we are going to beat up on the O-Line then the ones with far more experience should come first.

    Sweezy just isn’t going to get benched any time soon, so some of you have to deal with it.

  44. PFF says Sweezy has allowed 2 QB hits, and 11 pressures, bu no sacks.

  45. PFF also rates Sweezy’s pass pro performance at -1.8, but his run-blkg was -3.6. He’s also been called for 3 penalties (1 was not accepted).

  46. A little late, but I would encourage everyone here to catch that Frontline piece League of Denial about the NFL’s history with brain injuries. It’s on PBS if you have a DVR or some sort of On-Demand. It’s also linked here. Very interesting and could be important for anyone on here with kids playing organized tackle football or that may in the future. The story of Mike Webster is especially interesting.

    http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2013/10/09/morning-links-league-of-denial-documentary-makes-powerful-statement/#more-19207

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    nate- You have to factor in the Human Growth Hormones too with regards to Webster and other steeler players.

    Webster came into the NFL at something like 225 lbs. After shooting up regularly with HGH he became a beast center.
    He would never have made it in the NFL (imo) without it. And the Steelers would have never won 4 Super Bowls back then without it.

  48. klm–GOd, I hope you mean Sweezy’s run blocking was PLUS 3.6. If his run blocking graded out worse than his pass pro, A) He really sucks hard or B)That site sucks hard.

    ProFootballFocus ranked our best lineman since Okung went out as Bowie, with a +0.7 rating. As I said on a previous thread, AZ’s Daryn College graded out at +3.6, to put that “achievement” in perspective.

    And yes, Sweezy would have been credited with several sacks if we had anyone other than RW back there–same is true for the rest of the losers on our line though. But Im not buying too much Cable says regarding him, since the Sweezebag is Cable’s Teachers Pet.

    And yeah, McQ gives his all; to bad his best just aint good enough. Lem is a solid player, but he doesnt have the command of the calls Unger does. It will be good to get Unger back.

    Georgia–We’ve all given Fat Carp some room since he had no training camp his rookie year, got hurt and missed a bunch of time, and it wasnt his fault idiot Cable believed that fat slow slug should play RT. No, he shouldnt…After this season, its time to evaluate him hard. Unless he finishes this year strong, and comes back TEARING IT UP game one next year, he’s an official BUST, IMO.

    Sweezy simply has no business starting. He never has. Ive never said he should be cut, just riding the pine until he can outplay another starting caliber G. Oh, wait…we dont have a starting caliber G…just kidding! Even Lem should have been given a shot to unseat him. No one had a shot because Cable is determined to make Sweezy his redemption–PYGMALION style.

    And his rating is in the negative numbers, even though he’s started far more games than Bowie. And Bowie isnt even good. Also, he’s far less talented and polished coming out of college than Carp. Thats why he gets a little more leeway. But leeway is running out for both Fat Carp and the Sweezebag, the Terrible Twins.

  49. Georgia–Was it human growth hormone Webster used, not roids?!

    I dont believe there is any proof HGH or Roids leads to chronic encephalopathy, either. Recurring head trauma is a proven cause.

    And yeah, Im encouraged and hopeful regarding Bowie. I hope the rest get it together too, I just worry Sweezy will take too long. We dont have years to field a decent line. We have weeks.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM – I don’t know for sure, maybe it was Roids, however I don’t discount the damage to the brain when taking massive amounts of either.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/15/sports/lyle-alzado-43-fierce-lineman-who-turned-steroid-foe-is-dead.html

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I know STTBM that Sweezy is your favorite whipping post on the O-Line, and that it would take an act of nature of extraordinary magnitude to change your mind.
    So I will just let this go and we will see how it all plays out down the road.

  52. Georgia–I will be Sweezy’s biggest fan WHEN he gets it together–but I will still be pissed Cable kept playing him while he sucked, especially if it takes all this year and then some…

    Actually, I think he made real progress last week, at least from my view. I hope he keeps it up.

    I didnt think back in Websters day they had HGH. I think it was just steroids back then. bbmate knows a lot more about both those things than I do.

  53. I was trying to be somewhat funny in my daily flogging of the line. Guess that one failed…10,000 comedians out of work, and Im trying to be funny…

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think Nate knows much more about 420 then I do.

  55. SandpointHawk says:

    Real (human extracted) HGH has been used since the early 60′s. The synthetic version was invented in 1985….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone

  56. Georgia, STTBM, and others:

    The doctor that regularly used HGH wasn’t the team doctor for the Stealers when Webster first came to Pitt. I don’t know that Webster took it or not. And you can’t assume that it was a cause. It certainly is an uncontrolled variable. We don’t know if it is a factor or not. That’s the problem when you have to study things in the real world and not a lab. You can’t control other variables. There isn’t significant proof that HGH is a performance enhancer, but I’m not going into that again. I would bet that anabolic steroids had a lot more to do with his physical development if he was taking PEDs. No way to know for sure.

    The link between football and CTE isn’t even really definitely proven. The research is really in the infancy stage. Logic would tell you that football would hurt your brain, but that doesn’t necessarily make it true. I do believe that it will become scientifically accepted in the future. It would be much easier to study it if you could detect CTE with a form of imaging, but they have to look at slides of the brain under a microscope currently. That rules out living people. 45 of the 46 brains that were donated to the Boston U. CSTE brain bank have been positive for CTE, but there is a selection bias in play. In other words, people are choosing to donate their brains and the center is actively recruiting them. It is not a random sample. 45 of 46 is an extremely high incidence though.

    These studies are currently retrospective, just like studies in smoking in humans are. Retrospective studies are not the ideal. You are looking at a population in retrospect and it is impossible to control other variables. They are the only option in these cases though. You can do controlled, laboratory experiments on mice for these factors ethically, but you cannot with humans. The dangers of smoking that are suggested by retrospective studies are excepted because there are mountains of data going back to the 1930′s. That’s not the case with CTE.

    The problem is that the NFL tried to discourage research besides their own and even hid some of their own that didn’t help their cause. Ultimately, the information should be out there so that players and parents can make the best decision they can even if it isn’t proven one way or another. It has to be an individual choice at this point IMO. I personally wouldn’t let my child, if I had any, play padded, tackle football until they were at least in high school. I would have reservations then too. At least they are instituting measures to protect players in HS football.

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