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Morning links: Wilson ranked No. 12 QB in NFL

Post by Eric Williams on July 12, 2013 at 6:47 am with 63 Comments »
July 12, 2013 6:47 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson throws the ball during the second half of an NFL preseason football game in Kansas City, Mo., Friday, Aug. 24, 2012. (AP Photo/Ed Zurga)
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson throws the ball during the second half of an NFL preseason football game in Kansas City, Mo., Friday, Aug. 24, 2012. (AP Photo/Ed Zurga)

ESPN NFL analyst Ron Jaworski placed Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson No. 12 on his list of the top 32 quarterbacks in the league, just ahead of Washington’s Robert Griffin III.

Wilson is the second-ranked rookie quarterback from 2012, with Andrew Luck still to come on the list.

He’s also ranked behind San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick, which I thought was somewhat of a surprise. However, Jaworski really like’s the upside of Wilson, and believes he can be a top-10 quarterback in the NFL

Check out the full list here.

Jaworski: “The ability to avoid pressure, maintain his downfield focus and throw the ball accurately was a constant throughout his rookie season. There were times he ran, and that caused problems for the defense. But he was not a runner. Most importantly, he got down, preventing the kind of hits that negatively impact long-term availability.

“The game that showed me Wilson can be a top 10 quarterback was the NFC divisional playoff game against Atlanta. The Seahawks trailed 20-0 at the half. All he did was lead four second-half touchdown drives in which he was 14 of 16 for 241 yards.

“That says it all right there. It’s why throwing from the pocket remains the No. 1 trait for high-level quarterback play, regardless of the player’s athleticism and mobility. It’s the reason Wilson has a chance to be a very good quarterback over a long period of time. He throws it very well from the cradle. The more I studied him, the more I liked his future.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle reviews the top five Seahawks’ victories under Pete Carroll’s tenure.

Brock Huard and O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle talk with former Seahawks quarterback Jon Kitna in this audio link. Kitna says that Wilson’s size held him back from being higher on Jaworski’s list.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com talks with Seattle safety Jeron Johnson, who was a 170-pound middle linebacker at Domingeuz High School. Johnson played alongside Richard Sherman, leading the Compton, Calif. school to a CIF championship.

Field Gulls offers a video with every Seattle touchdown from the 2012 season.

Marcus Grant of NFL.com says to expect a drop off in production from 300-carry backs like Marshawn Lynch the following season, according to his research.

Mark Sessler of NFL.com ranks Brady Quinn No. 19 on his list of the top backup quarterbacks in the league. Interesting that Tarvaris Jackson did not make the list.

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com reports that 15 to 20 teams were present to watch Stony Brook offensive tackle Michael Bamiro’s workout. Bamiro fell through a crack in NFL rules that allows him to become an unrestricted free agent. According to Mike Garafolo of Fox Sports, the Seahawks reportedly were one of the team’s that had a scout present at the workout.

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  1. Keep the guns and razorblades away from Georgia. I don’t know if he can handle this.

  2. #12 is a fair spot for Wilson.

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Another meaningless list. I honestly don’t understand this fascination to rank everything and everyone. Don’t win / loss records do that for us? I guess that’s not enough…

  4. chuck_easton says:

    So, when CK finally gets on the list will it be as a 49r or a Dolphin?

    OK, it was Jr High at best, but somebody had to go there and I haven’t been immature this whole week at work so I was due.

    Kaepernick is this year’s question mark. Is he going to continue on his path or is he the next Vince Young who goes gangbusters his rookie year only to flame out when the mental pressure gets to be too much?

    QB is a position where you MUST have a smart, thinking, and analytical person. There have been athletic QB’s that have never taken the next step (Vick, Vince Young just to name two), and there have been very smart QB’s that looked like they were never given directions to the team’s weight room (Payton Manning, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana…) who were HOFers.

    The new link is the very intelligent, AND very athletic QB. Luck, Wilson, Griffin III, would fall into this group.

    I see Kaep as a very athletic QB that hasn’t exactly shown he’s ready to appear on Jeopardy Celebrity Challenge anytime soon. It’s too soon to do this since he berely has half a season behind him, but I’m (in by VERY biased view) more inclined to move him into the Vick, Vince Young group of QB’s that just never seem to ‘get it’.

    It’s great to have a guy like Wilson that is athletic, has the work ethic beyond compare, AND has the brains to know what to do about things.

  5. FairbanksDoug says:
  6. yankinta says:

    I lost a lot of RESPECT for JAWS,,, He ranked Wilson 12th, lower than Luck and CK….not to mention Matt Schaub….

    That’s a shame. I used to have a lot of respect for him but no longer. He’s buys into a the hype on CK and Luck, just like 95% of football fans.

  7. FairbanksDoug says:

    Well I couldn’t get that link to work after I posted it, never the less it was suppose to take you to a photo of Kaepernick wearing Seahawks gear. I think he needs counseling !

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t necessarily believe it’s an either / or situation. One can have a dumbbell QB and win Super Bowls (Terry Bradshaw, Ben Roethlisberger, wait, both Steelers…) but the surrounding talent must make up for it. In addition, there’s a marked difference between football IQ and general intelligence. All that said, I too am grateful Seattle has a driven, humble, and both football smart and what I imagine is a fairly high “book” intellect.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Right, because Jaws is unable to think for himself and likely doesn’t watch endless hours of film… Again, it’s a meaningless list that reflects his opinion alone. The fact anyone cares at all is what’s puzzling to me.

  10. yankinta says:

    Dukeshire, I don’t care about NFL ranking or most of the other rankings. I only cared about this because like I said, I used to have a lot of respect for him. He does claim to watch endless hours of film and I always watch his NFL Matchup Show on ESPN. Jaw may be one of the very few talking heads that I actually had some respect for.

    Having said that if he concludes Matt Schaub or Luck or CK did better than RW in 2012, then he’s not as knowledgeable or watched endless hours of film on RW, as he claims he does. But that’s just my opinion. Time will tell, and my money’s on RW over those guys from day one!! :)

  11. That said, in my fantasy league, I’m keeping Wilson not Cam Newton who will be ranked higher…upside is a big deal and the better your team, the better a quarterback you can be. Wilson will appear downgraded in these lists, to our eyes anyway, because he is still young, a bit unproven (can he do it again?) and still because of his small stature. Rating Kaepernick above him is pretty dumb…just look at that December game…but because Kaepernick went to the Super Bowl and because he is taller and plays in a city with a great football history, he is going to get those nods for now. If they watched him looking like a deer in the headlights in December they might pause before ranking him higher…but then Wilson wasn’t so good in the first half against Atlanta or the first quarter against Washington either.

  12. yankinta says:

    I still remember the day, I jumped out of my couch, Screaming like we just won the Super Bowl, when it was announced on TV that Seahawks picked Russell Wilson with 75th pick overall in 2012 draft.

    I was so nervous about losing him, since I would have been extremely happy if we picked him with our 1st round pick!!! :)

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with Duke, lists are meaningless. At least until they put Wilson at #1.

    Remember Wilson picked the Seahawks before the Seahawks picked him. Destiny I say.

  14. Be sure to tune in here tomorrow when I release my 2013 MOCK POWER RANKINGS of Seahawks Insiders bloggers! Is BobbyK ready to take the mantle of truth and clairvoyance from Dukeshire? Is Yankinta more correct than ACIB? Tune in to find out!!

    (you all get that its the offseason and writers are still responsible for generating ad revenue by printing whatever crap they can think up, right? I am assuming Jaws wrote that article on a napkin while in between drinks at a 19th hole somewhere.)

  15. seahawksteven777 says:

    Yankita: Jaws doesn’t share the same opinion as you so you lost respect for him? Dude, grow up. Not everyone shares the same opinion of you and rankings honestly don’t mean that much. What really matters is what happens on the field.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with Marc Sessler ranking Cousins as the #1 backup QB. And I hope he gets a shot at starting for some team soon. I would put Cousins as a top 20 starting QB right now if he were starting.

    It will be interesting to see who rolls the dice for him down the road. I hope it’s not Arizona.

  17. yankinta says:

    seahawksteven777, nah that’s not it. The fact that he’s trying to tell me he believes Matt Schaub, Luck or CK did better than RW in 2012, that’s what made me lose respect for him. He’s better than this. I mean, forget about Luck or CK for a moment. Do you also think Matt Schaub was a better QB than RW in 2012??

  18. yankinta says:

    seahawksteven777, nah that’s not it. The fact that he’s trying to tell me he believes Matt Schaub, Luck or CK did better than RW in 2012, that’s what made me lose respect for him.

    JAW is supposed to be better than this. I mean, forget about Luck or CK for a moment. Do you also think Matt Schaub was a better QB than RW in 2012??

    Dukeshire, that link was funny!!! made me spit out my coffee, thanks!!

  19. montanamike2 says:

    Lists don’t mean crap!

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Lol Duke.

    Did anyone happen to see this comment about it.

    “By the way, did the anchors slip up at the end and admit an affair?

  21. sluggo42 says:

    For those of you who don’t care for talking head thoughts,
    Jamie pie hole Dukes just proclaimed caper-nose as the most important player in the NFC-west, and then Eric Davis picks Boldin…
    Cus the 49ers have the best roster going…

  22. yankinta says:

    sluggo42, lol, yeah I really don’t care about what they think, especially since I dont’ even know who they are. They’re nobodies!! :)

  23. That Titans fan interview is priceless! Most embarrassing fan interview ever. So glad to live in Seattle.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    I lived in Nashville a long time ago. When it comes for local news, airing guys like that are par for the course. They have cameras around the city where you push a button and you can say whatever you want for 15 seconds and air some of them on the evening news. All I have to say is I’m glad I don’t live down there anymore.

  25. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I agree what many of you are saying about lists. I don’t get too worked up over them. Having our 1st year QB sitting at 12 is pretty impressive though, on a list from a pretty great QB and long time analist that knows the position. There’s 20 starting QB’s behind him. Only 11 ahead of him. What year would we ever have a QB this high?

    Kaepernick at 11, dude almost won the Superbowl, so that’s ok. I don’t care for him and believe Wilson will have a better overall career though. Funny how Jaworski made a big deal about Kaepernick’s 3rd down numbers and Wilson’s were even better.

  26. I agree with Yankinta: Matt Schaub’s agent must be paying Jaws. No way is he a Top Ten QB. If I didn’t know better, I’d say Jaws has a bias toward white QBs, putting both Schaub and Luck ahead of Kaep and Wilson.

    Yes, rankings are meaningless. But how else are we going to pass time before the season starts?

  27. Dukeshire says:

    Now Jaws is a raciest. lol.

  28. Dukeshire says:

    racist…

  29. No, he’s not racy at all, in my book. And I did say “if I didn’t know better.” I’m sure he isn’t. But unless I’m mistaken, his Top Ten will be all-white.

  30. yankinta says:

    Totally agree with this comment on ESPN NFC West Blog,,

    “Matt Schaub and Alex Smith are basically the same players except one has a possible future HOF reciever. It’s obsurd that he is in the top 10. JAWS is a JOKE!”

    Sadly, he’s a joke in my book now, too….smh

  31. Maybe Jaws has left Schaub off his list completely. We can only hope.

  32. Jaws used to live down the street from me when he played for the Eagles in the early to mid 80s. He wouldn’t sign any autographs for the kids in the neighborhood.

    This was back when Pro Athletes had jobs in the off season and lived in the same neighborhood as normal folks – before the powers that be decided to inflate the Credit Bubble and really put a separation between classes.

  33. Macabrevity says:

    Stevos… joking or not, I think we’re all looking forward to that!!!

  34. DanielleMND says:

    CK ranked higher than RW? Really? I think CK had a good season, but RW is the better all-around QB. Oh, well. Lists from ex-players are meaningless. What matters is what happens in the upcoming season.

  35. MattandCindy says:

    It hasn’t taken as long as I thought to go through the archives of what I missed. While I was deployed I tried to follow what I could, but OP Zephyr (look it up if you don’t know what an OP is) did not have the luxuries I’m used to. I DID GET AN AWESOME GIFT!!! A 2 inch piece of shrapnel in my knee.

    As for the “list”…It’s almost laughable. It is a good point to debate, but anyone taking actual stock in its validity is looking for something to argue about. We’re Seahawk fans. R-Dub is the best. Who cares about some popularity list.

  36. Lists are kinda meaningless, true, but there’s not much else to talk about now so it’s good fodder for discussion. 12 for RW is fine with me. CK took his team deeper last year, and Luck did well especially when considering that he was leading a less balanced team, so I don’t have a problem with either of them being higher on Jaws’ list, even if I don’t necessarily agree.

  37. Mattandcindy, thanks for your service, and sorry to hear about the knee. Welcome back.

  38. doubledink says:

    Oldslow,
    you beat me to it.
    MattandCindy,
    Welcome home. Take care of that knee.
    And Thank You.

  39. I think Jaws knows more about football than most of us but you know fully well that if he was starting an NFL franchise today that there’s no way he’d consider taking Schaub over Wilson. His list was what he thinks is now and not a year or two from now. Granted most of us probably would rather have Wilson NOW and in the future in comparison to Schaub.

    Personally, I don’t know if it’s the homer in me but if this was a list of NFL players that you would like to have to start a franchise, I’d have Wilson over everyone in the NFL after Luck.

    Even though I think Luck is better – I still love Wilson and am thankful that Wilson’s team is a heck of a lot more talented than the roster in Indy. Therefore, we have a better team and it’s going to be easier for our guy to win a Super Bowl than Luck in Indy with respect to the near future. That’s what we all want – Wilson to win more SBs than any other QB from here on out.

    If I thought that CK were better than Wilson, which I don’t, that wouldn’t mean that I was a traitor to the Seahawks and hated “our” team. It’s just an opinion that anyone is entitled to. We all have the freedom of speech/opinion and a lot of great people have died to defend that right for us even for a topic as silly in the grand scheme of things as football (although we’re all pretty serious about it on Sundays).

    And, really, as Duke says… why should we get worked up about some stupid list from someone else? The ONLY thing that matters is hoisting the Lombardi in Feb. If Wilson gets hurt in the NFC Championship game and it’s T-Jack somehow taking home the Super Bowl MVP honors… I’m going to be elated just as much as if it were 2005 and it was Hutch, Walt, and Matt hoisting that trophy they should have won in Feb. of ’06.

  40. SandpointHawk says:

    If Wilson is not 1st, then 12th is a perfect number for us Seahawks fans. Kinda kismet don’t you think?

  41. Any way you look at this or any other list – top 10 QB with our 3rd round pick, is a grand slam home run.

    As for me, the list of QB’s I’d consider trading RW for right now numbers maybe 2.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    Nice work, Sand.

  43. I think its dumb that folks get so worked up about lists. But it is equally dumb to rank Luck and Kaep ahead of Wilson. Those ratings are based on hype, the fact that guys like Jaws are old-school and prefer Tall, White, prototypical pocket-passers, and the fact that Wilson is short.

    Even Mike Holmgren seems to be leery of Wilson and his lack of stature. For pete’s sake, he’s been proving that his height doesnt matter for years on end, give it a rest!

    Luck did not outperform Wilson during the last 8 games last year, let alone the playoffs. Not even close. Sure, he seems to have all the tools to become an elite qb, but he isnt there yet. Wilson pretty much is.

    Kaep gets ranked ahead of Wilson because he went the the SB, he plays in San Fran, and he’s tall. Wilson is already a better passer than Kaep, and Kaep had a year on the bench to learn.

    In the end, it doesnt matter. Wilson will continue proving the doubters wrong, and Luck, RG3, Kaep, and Newton will all be fine, most likely elite, qb’s. But Wilson, for my money, is the one to beat.

  44. RE; Charly Martin; Tit for Tat much, Harbarf?!

    They sure like to take our cast-offs, like Morrah and Lockette and now Martin. I doubt Martin sticks, but who knows?! I think they just wanna pick his brain.

    We got Mike Rob from the Whiners, and all the guys they got from us combined arent worth half what he’s meant to our team.

    Still trailing, Harbarf….

  45. Not to mention we were able to get a 5th round player and an UDFA payer he coached to start for us

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    My top ten QB list.

    1- Wilson. Simply the best.
    2- Griffin.
    3- Rodgers.
    4- Brady.
    5- Eli Manning.
    6- Peyton Manning.
    7- Ryan.
    8- Flacco.
    9- Favre. Just holding this spot in case he decides to come back.
    10- Hasselbeck- If he could ever trade places with Newtons body.
    Honorable mention- Luck, Kaep and Cousins.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    I haven’t clicked on one of your Bleacher Report links in many, many months. Sadly, I took the bait this time, and once again, that article proves just what a hack riddled, shallow thinking rag it is. Beyond all the other foolish non-sense it contained, the suggestion that Seattle “pumps in” crowd noise to achieve volume is, at best, an insult. “Judge for yourself” they say? Indeed morons. Attend a game in Seattle and you’ll know for “yourself”. “Featured columinist” Joseph Akeley can go f**k himself. That article is garbage. That is all.

  48. montanamike2 says:

    Good rant Duke. There isn’t much about Charley Martin that really scares me, just shows how desperate at WR the whiners are.

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Dukeshire, chill. You need a drink.

    That’s exactly why I posted it, to show what kind of crap is out there directed at our team.

    But don’t put all bleacher reports articles into a basket because of a few.

  50. Dukeshire says:

    Already had one (several), likely the source of said rant. But honestly, does any Seahawk fan disagree? lol

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It was Patrick Conners response,(in the comment section) that was worth the time for me to post that article. Not the article itself.

    Anywho, cheers.

  52. edstang45 says:

    only list that means anything this year is Sophmore QB’s who have won the SuperBowl

  53. Jon Kitna interviewed about Russell Wilson on July 11th –

    Brock Huard:
    “Russell Wilson number twelve, Matt Shaub and Colin Kapernick ahead of him, can you justify that?”

    Jon Kitna:
    “When you are a guy who doesn’t fit the mold aren’t what they are looking for, they are always looking for a reason to not call you an elite guy. Drew Brees fought that for years until he won a Super Bowl. Same with Russell. People are going to make him prove it over and over again, because he is not a 6-rot-4 guy.”

    Danny O’Neil:
    “What is going to be the measure of how well Russell Wilson is playing?”

    Kitna:
    “Aside from wins and losses, I’d say 3rd down efficiency. When you run it a lot on first down, you take shots on third down. That was their mode last year, and hit those.”

    “Its an exciting time to be a Seahawk fan. But I tell people ‘be cautious’. The NFL is not a game where you get to pick up where you left off last year. Coordinators and coaches spend the whole offseason studying and trying to figure out holes in your game and ways to attack you as a team, scheme-wise, and as individual players. He might not make his numbers he got last year, but he can have a better season.”

  54. freedom_X says:

    For people who are holier-than-thou about the QB list and how obviouslyt mistaken Jaworski is – go ahead and post your top 32 QB list to a national audience.

    See what kind of feedback you get. Free trip to the Super Bowl if nobody rips your list a new one. Try going nationally with the opinion that Andrew Luck is a poor QB.

  55. boucherm says:

    I just wanted to chime in on this list, I’m good with the #12 ranking and with both Kaepernick and Luck ahead of Wilson. I love RW, but Kaep went to the superbowl, and Luck was asked to dominate his team’s offense from week one, with a garbage running game and one real WR, and threw for over 4000 yards.
    As an objective football fan, if I were starting a team from scratch, Luck is my #1 pick. RW would be higher than my #12 QB, but it’s also based on where I think he will go, not where he is today.
    Really enjoying reading everyone’s comments on this, good times, guys.

  56. Wilson being ranked between 10 and 12 is fair in my opinion. He’s not the #1 qb in the nfl, for sure. I definitely think he is better than Schaub, and has more of a competitive drive than any other quarterback, but to inflate his overall ranking based on fandom is a little much.

    We can’t forget that the coaching staff really hamstrung him the first few games of the season, hell, even up to the bye week if I recall correctly. You have to reflect that on your overall rankings, if you didn’t, you may as well just not write the article.

  57. MattandCindy says:

    Much appreciated Oldslow and Doubledink. All in a days work I suppose.

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