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Morning links: Wilson looks to avoid sophomore slump

Post by Eric Williams on June 12, 2013 at 6:26 am with 64 Comments »
June 12, 2013 6:26 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson smiles following an NFL football minicamp Tuesday, June 11, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson smiles following an NFL football minicamp Tuesday, June 11, 2013, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

In my story today, Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson offered a predictable response when asked if he was concerned about experiencing a sophomore slump after such a successful rookie season.

““I don’t even know those words,” Wilson said Tuesday after his team’s first day of mandatory minicamp. “I don’t pay attention to it. I think the biggest thing is just focusing on tomorrow and focusing on the day — the rest of the day that I have and the next couple hours I have here.”

Expressing that opinion is one thing, but avoiding a let down will be tough, particularly when you look at recent quarterbacks like Carolina’s Cam Newton and Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton, who had very successful rookie seasons, but struggled through their second year.

But if anyone can do it, Seattle head coach Pete Carroll believes Wilson can.

“He had a great year,” Carroll said. “It’d be hard for anybody to come back and have a better year. It’s a challenge in itself just to do that. That’s just something that anybody who has a good season has to deal with. I think his mindset is excellent. And his preparation, his habits, his concern and his focus is excellent.”

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN Seattle writes that receiver Doug Baldwin is working to regain his rookie form.

More O’Neil: Defensive lineman Michael Bennett’s versatility will help him in his second stint with the Seahawks.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com says that recent addition defensive tackle Michael Brooks is proving a fast learner.

Rod Mar of Seahawks.com has photos from the first day of Minicamp, which you can check out here.

According to this ESPN report, Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman is the most underpaid player in the NFL. Sherman made $551,000 in base salary in 2012, but according to ESPN’s numbers, his play was worth $19.8 million.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Tarvaris Jackson is expected to sign a one-year deal to come back to the Seahawks.

ESPN’s Mike Sando compares Jackson and Brady Quinn’s numbers.

Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com writes that San Francisco head coach Jim Harbaugh had this to say when asked about the Seattle’s recent issues with PEDs: “If you cheat to win, then you’re already lost.”

Jason Jenks of The Seattle Times has Carroll’s response to Harbaugh’s comments here.

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  1. Compare the comments of JH to those of PC: Harbaugh: “PEDS have no place in an athelete’s body”. PC: “We’ve kind of dealt with it…”. Kind of? What is that supposed to mean? I am not a fan of Harbaugh, but I think Carroll could have more backbone in this issue than the wishy-washy attitude he seems to have.

  2. SideWalkHawk says:

    Do you resign Sherman?

    Pros:
    Elite level corner play
    Boost Production of whole defense
    Gives defense swagger
    Brings attention to Seahawks

    Cons:
    Brings attention to Seahawks
    Controversial figure
    Doesnt know when to shut up
    1.5 years of elite play
    Will demand huge cap #

  3. sluggo42 says:

    “He’s got unbelievable knowledge about the game. I know he’s going to have a lot of insight for Russell because Russell is still growing and T-Jack is such a wonderful mind to pick that it will be beneficial to everyone in the locker room if he’s able to come back.”

    Really?
    Would tJack even be able to hang in an offensive discussion with RW?

  4. Dukeshire says:

    IMO, there is no “con” to re-signing Sherman. After Thomas, he’s the most important player on that side of the ball. Elite corners aren’t exactly a dime a dozen. He’s a priority for sure.

  5. Hammajamma says:

    The question may really be about Sherman’s priorities. Is he willing to go to a bad team for top dollar, or would he prefer a better work environment for less? Not sure what the compensation would be for a RFA of his value, but I don’t see the front office giving twenty million to a non-QB. They might let him go if it gets ridiculous.

  6. SlickToxic21 says:

    When you’re as deep as Seattle is at CB…..it’s gonna be pretty tough to justify paying anywhere near $16 million per year for Sherman….which is what he will command…maybe more. I’d certainly love to keep him, but you can’t pay Kam, Earl, Sherm, Browner, Thurmond….etc….especially when you’ve got young guys coming up that will only cost you what Sherm is costing you now….$551K
    Gonna be a tough call….hopefully he’s all about the ‘hawks, and a home town discount.

  7. chrisj122 says:

    Because of Wilson’s work ethic and attitude I don’t see him falling into the so-called sophomore slump. He might start the season a little slow but by the 3rd or 4th game he will be picking right up where he left off.

    Having said all of that, the sophomore slump curse (especially in Seattle) really scares the mess out me.

  8. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Really?
    Would tJack even be able to hang in an offensive discussion with RW?”

    No.

    I mean… c’mon… we’ve all heard TJack talk. Guy is not the brightest bulb in the room by a long way. I’m surprised he’s a QB actually. He’s a decent athlete. He just doesn’t have the mental makeup for the position at this level.

    If anyone learn anything, it will be TJack learning from RW. Like how to prepare…

  9. Go ahead and laugh and make fun of me… but I like T-Jack as the back-up to a franchise QB like Wilson at this point in time (especially with the clown options we have).

    And if he is forced to start due to a Wilson injury… I will view him as a back-up who is starting and doing the best he can, not as the starter who more is expected of…

    It’s kind of like McQuistan. I like McQuistan as a back-up who starts due to injury, but I don’t like him as the starter if that makes sense.

    Dear Lord,

    What have I become and how did this happen?

    Sincerely,

    Bob (byK)

    p.s. I’m going to go to a mental institution to have an evaluation to see what’s wrong with me.

  10. SlickToxic21 says:

    I agree with you Bobby……big difference between being the starter, (knowing he’s never going to take us to “the promised land”), and being a back-up.
    He’s familiar with the system, very athletic, tough, and he has a great defense, and a lot of weapons at his disposal…should he ever be called into a game.

  11. Good post BobbyK. Well put.

    GO HAWKS!

  12. I think I’d go with DB’s opinion on TJack over those of us here. After all Baldwin saw him first hand in meetings and games and the locker room.

    In fairness, I don’t think his ability to articulate himself during interviews tells us much about his football IQ. He could very well be one of those guys that sees exactly where the ball needs to go on film and has a complete grasp of the concepts, but put him at game speed and he can’t get things to slow down enough to make the decisions in time.

    I’m not a huge fan of the guy (though he should get props for playing through the pec injury his season as a starter), but why not throw him in the mix and let him compete for the back up job? If he beats out the other QBs not named RW, great. If not, next guy up.

  13. montanamike2 says:

    ChrisHolmes i couldn’t agree with you more, it will be TJ learning from RW if anything. I understand how you feel Bobby, some guys you are comfortable with at backup. I would have liked to keep Flynn as a backup but that’s another story. I mean, how hard can it be to hand it to Harvin or the beast almost the whole game. He can make shorter passes once in while but, with this loaded team he won’t be running for his life all the time.

  14. I can no longer question if the concept of therapy works. I now know it does.

  15. banosser says:

    TJack or Quinn?? TJack

    There will be no soph slump.. that’ll happen in DC..

  16. “He’s got unbelievable knowledge about the game. I know he’s going to have a lot of insight for Russell because Russell is still growing and T-Jack is such a wonderful mind to pick that it will be beneficial to everyone in the locker room if he’s able to come back.”

    Yeah, that was a jaw dropping quote! But coming from Baldwin it modifies my opinion of TJack.

  17. They have had a good enough look at Brady Quinn now and know what they have. If they were comfortable with that I don’t even think they would be bringing T- Jack in right now. I just have to trust them to make the right move.

  18. yellaman says:

    First off, Sherman has no cons and secondly, for wilson to avoid a sophomore slumps just make sure you don’t loose focus on this team running the ball 55% of it’s offensive plays. That will keep pressure off Wilson.

  19. RDPoulsbo says:

    There’s no CB in the league who should ever use up 15% of a team’s salary cap. There’s still 21 other starters and 52 other guys that contribute to a successful team. That would sure limit Seattle’s ability to re-sign Wilson and Thomas when they come due, not to mention paying the salaries of other key pieces of the puzzle. There are teams that are willing to pay that much for non-QBs, but they tend to be bottom dwellers of their divisions.

  20. montanamike2 says:

    I have a felling that Miller has a limited time here, Sneider’s already gone on record that he wants the legion of boom together, i’m hoping they work together with the salary cap and Sherman takes less to stay. They can be creative in ways.

  21. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Yeah, that was a jaw dropping quote! But coming from Baldwin it modifies my opinion of TJack.”

    Funny, it modifies my opinion of Baldwin instead.

    “He’s got unbelievable knowledge about the game.”

    Um, no he doesn’t. Peyton Manning has “unbelievable” knowledge of the game. Tom Brady has “unbelievable” knowledge of the game.

    When I see quotes like that, either the guy (DB) isn’t being honest with the media, or he’s not being honest with himself. Either way it’s a lie.

    But I understand it. You have a guy coming back into the fold – you don’t want to create negativity. You don’t want to give the media anything to chew on. You want to let the guy know that you support him.

    I’m all right with that. I just wish the hyperbole wasn’t so extreme. Just say he’s a good teammate and you’re happy to have him back and move on.

  22. Unbelievably stupid on Harbaugh’s part to take a shot at Seattle like that. That is exactly what this is; a jab. Actually, it is something more akin to teasing a junkyard dog from the other side of a 10 ft. chain-link fence.

    No one is going to convince me that this was just his way of endorsing league policy and flying the flag of “Do the right thing”. I don’t know what provoked Harbaugh to take it here, but clearly he wasn’t thinking rationally. I’m actually starting to think he has a genuine fear of this team and maybe this is just his way of making a
    Desperate stab; maybe thinking this will work in reverse.

    He basically used his position as a head coach of another team to take a shot at players he has no authority over; like it is even his place to make statements like that. The Seahawks didn’t need anymore bulletin board material. Players like Sherman and Baldwin didn’t need a bigger chip on their shoulders than they already have.

    But now he’s basically called out every guy on that 53 man roster, and I guarantee you this will not be forgotten come 9/15/13. Leading up to that game you had better believe the media will be playing this up. It’s going to be sound clip after sound clip played of Harbaugh’s stupidity. Team leaders like Mike Rob, Chancellor, and Sherman are going to use this against him. “Nameless faces”, huh, Jim? Yeah, right.

  23. SlickToxic21 says:

    DB had a great rookie season with TJ at the controls….so it’s no wonder he’s a big TJ supporter….but yeah, to say he’s got unbelievable knowledge about the game…..well, that’s a bit much.

  24. I’m a little irritated that people keep bringing up the read option in the backup QB discussion (mostly in the last few threads, not so much this one. . . yet). Neither Quinn, nor T-Jack has shown they can effectively run the read option like RW. Both are more pocket passers. But that’s okay, because the read option is not the Seahawks’ offense. It just happens to be a wrinkle they can throw in because of a very special starting QB. God forbid RW gets hurt, whoever ends up coming in will probably not be called on to run the read option, because Carroll and Bevell are smarter than that; they have shown an uncanny ability to maximize individual players’ strengths and not force them into exposing their weaknesses – except maybe expecting a weak-footed kicker to make a 63 yard field goal with the game on the line.

  25. The first time I heard Kaepernick, I thought he sounded like a dumb jock from the bad side of town. Then some of my Insider Brothers schooled me on his impressive academic history.

    While I think it’s better to have someone like RW as the face of your franchise, you can’t always judge someone’s intelligence and talent by how articulate they are.

    If DB is willing to go out on a limb to vouch for the guy’s knowledge of the game, that’s good enough for me..as long as TJ remains a back-up.

    He proved he can help us win 7 games on a less talented team with a torn pec. I like he and RW working together. Perhaps they can learn from each other.

  26. SaigonSun says:

    Two days before we went after Harvin, Sherman was on NFL Network and proclaimed there is understanding ( in the locker room) that the (elite) players will sacrifice some salary to keep this team together for years to come. The ‘talking heads” were in awe with the chemistry the Seahawks had.
    I wish PC/JS had watched that show.
    Then, they chased after Harvin, brought him “off the street”. gave him $12 mil. per annum ,and here we are….
    ( That is why I “lost it” on this blog when we signed Harvin). I know Harvin is a great player…. but, we don’t really need him. Specially, I don’t see the validity of using someone paid that much money to be a PR/KR, a RB when we have : Lynch, Turbin and now Michael. Baldwin is quite competent slot receiver. Not to mention Harvin’s health history.
    I also understand the Whiners would have snatched him if we didn’t… so, it is what it is.
    I just don’t believe the self-sacrifice mantra is as loud as it was before the Seahawks brought Harvin .
    I hope I’m wrong.

  27. SaigonSun says:

    My post was in response to RDPaulsbo

  28. dirtbiker_joey says:

    I love it when Harbaugh has one of his stream-of-consciousness, diarrhea of the mouth moments. It’s so much fun to have a villain to hate.

  29. dirtbiker_joey says:

    My post was in response to nobody

  30. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, I don’t think anyone here will give you spit for saying TJack will be a decent backup. I know I won’t. I applaud you.

    As far as TJack being articulate or the face of the franchise, he will be the 2nd string QB at best. He hardly needs to be someone leading the press conferences, hopefully anyways.

    Who gives a spit what Harbarf says or thinks? He’s an over-sized tampon.

    Both Dalton and Newton had better QB ratings in their 2nd years. I don’t buy the sophomore slump hypothesis with them. Neither too a giant step forward in their 2nd year, but you’d have a hard time making the case that they took a significant step back IMO.

  31. If Russell Wilson has a “sophomore slump”, its likely to last a game or two at most. Then he’ll work and grind until he fixes whatever went wrong.. and the next opponent will be his victim.

  32. bbnate420 says:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton

    Look at their stats from year 1 to 2. Their sophomore slumps are more perception than reality IMO.

  33. “When you’re as deep as Seattle is at CB…..it’s gonna be pretty tough to justify paying anywhere near $16 million per year for Sherman”

    First off, while I agree that Seattle’s stable of CB’s is very deep, I am not so sure any of the guys behind Sherman are going to step in and lock it down the way he is capable of doing it. The man has rare ability and intangibles. Guys like Lane and Maxwell are really just benefactors of the system they play in, as well as having safeties like Kam and Earl to play next to. Thurmond is a bit different, and could likely thrive in any system, but I still say he’s no Sherman.

    To say that Sherman is going to command a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of 16M/per is to assume a lot; w/out knowing the kind of season Sherman is going to have in 2013, or what sort of sacrifice he himself might make in order to keep guys like Browner and Earl Thomas around. The Seahawks secondary is a very closely knit group. You could call it a fraternity at this point. I think right now I would take the over on Sherman letting a few duckets slide off of the table as long as they’re lining the pockets of those two specific names I mentioned above in this paragraph. Earl Thomas is an incredible asset to Sherman. He is the last guy Sherman would want to see leave town – believe that.

  34. “To say that Sherman is going to command a contract somewhere in the neighborhood of 16M/per is to assume a lot”

    True. And yet that decision will likely be up to Sherman, not the Seahawks. Revis is currently paid $15m/year. Sherman thinks he’s better and will have ample chances to prove this. If he does, he will decide if he want a 6-year $100m/yr contract, because there will be teams out there who will give it to him (NYJ, Dallas, Washington come to mind as likely). Or, Sherman may decide to stay in Seattle, but it likely will have to be at a discount. He won’t get $16m/year here. Carroll and Schneider are stockpiling a lot of CB talent. They won’t be afraid to let one guy walk and replace him with another.

  35. “Who gives a spit what Harbarf says or thinks? He’s an over-sized tampon.”

    Pete Carroll cares. Read what you will into his response to what Harbaugh said, but I detect a genuine sense of irritation. I think we should be thankful, honestly, because this team didn’t need any extra motivation to beat S.F., but Harbaugh has surely given them that.

  36. Carlsonkid says:

    SaigonSun & Sekolah are both correct ; I distinctly remember an interview where it was mentioned by a Legion of Boom member that the 4 of them had already discussed the situation and were going to do everything possible to stay together …

  37. bbnate420 says:

    Yes, there is no love lost between Harbarf and PC. And between SF and the Hawks. I doubt this makes a significant difference. I would think the Hawks are prepared to smear SF twice in 2013 regardless.

  38. Bobbyk–I expected to come on here and see your head explode; instead, it was my head that exploded when I read your comments on T-Jack coming back. Good for you, recognizing that Jackson isnt garbage after all. He’s a decent player who just cant drive down the field and win the game in one shot, a pretty good backup who knows the system and a good, tough guy. He’s good enough to backup Wilson, in other words.

    Im glad to see I was wrong, and that Seattle believes his attitude will be positive. I think he helps us more than Quinn, but we’ll see.

    Harbarf sucks, (PS nice to see my nickname for him is catching on; its catchy aint it!) but he has a point. I cant remember one NFL player admitting they deliberately took a steroid or HGH. Every single one seems to be claiming Adderall. And the process with the NFL lends itself to lying, as there is no way for the truth to come out, players have no incentive to admit anything other than Adderall when busted for PED’s.

    And the fact remains that Seattle is leading the league in PED suspensions, even without Sherman. Not that I think the Niners are squeaky clean, but they arent even close.

    While it wont taint the season like the tilted officiating in Super Bowl 40 will always taint the Stealers “victory” IMO, its a black mark that will be there, and I personally am very sick of reading about Seahawks players testing positive for PED’s. If you cant play well without cheating, your spot belongs to someone who can. We dont need to cheat to win, there’s enough talent on this team to beat anyone.

  39. “I doubt this makes a significant difference.”

    Perhaps not, nate, however, it just might be enough for Pete Carroll to make the call to “go for 2″ with an established lead the next time around these two teams meet.

  40. My hopes are high for the season; beat the Whiners three times, twice in regular season, then again in the playoffs, and win the SB. My favorite opponents for the SB victory would be the Broncos, the Pats, and the Stealers, in that order. I want to see the Legion of Boom go up against Manning and Thomas/Welker/Decker. I want to see Wilson out-duel the maestro.

  41. By the way, nice to see you back bbnate. Hopefully we can all bury the hatchet and keep things civil. I have never had such high hopes entering a season, not even the 2005 season when I fully expected Seattle to contend for a championship.

    Its gotta happen now.

  42. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    All I have to say is thank God for the franchise tag. Hopefully we can lock Earl Thomas up long term, then, if we can’t get a home town discount for Sherman we should place the franchise tag on him. Then, hopefully, we his franchsie tag expires, we can re-sign him long term.

    I like Sidney Rice; but, if he’s unwilling to restructure his contract so that we can sign key players like Earl, Sherm, and most importantly, Russell Wilson, then I say adios: let him test the free market and see if he can earn more money elsewhere. The same goes for other players on our roster who earn a lot but are quasi-expendable.

    In the mean time, I’m trying to (and everyone else should too) send Sherman fan mail begging him to give the home team a discount next season. Afterall, for what it’s worth, he’s the only outspoken player we have on our team who gains media attention.

  43. sluggo42 says:

    We had to get harvin, cuz SF would have. Can you imagine the horrors of him being on that team? Good Lord, it would have been awful. Now look. He is on our team. Everyone in San Fran took a collective vomit in their pants when WE acquired him at the very same moment.
    So, they got Boldin. Nary a single fart was released in the Pacific Northwest.

    That’s why we paid harvin 12 mil a year.

  44. “And the fact remains that Seattle is leading the league in PED suspensions”

    That the technical side of it, surely, but when you look deeper into it, it’s not so cut and dry. Alan Barbre is one of those among the “league leading” names. This is a player who never really at any time figured prominently in this team’s future. In fact, had his name never been affixed to the acronym of “PED”, even the average Seahawks fant would have never known he was a Seahawk. Seattle grabbed him off of Green Bay’s scrap heap, along with Breno Giacomini and some other scrub who’s name escapes me at the moment. I think it is safe to assume that this guy would have found a way to cheat on whichever team he went to. It was probably his last ditch effort to stick around on a team that preaches competition as much as it does, and to just stay in the league in general.

    The players getting busted whom are actual draft picks that the team has invested in is where this issue takes shape for me, but even in that respect it’s a small sample size. As I understand it, John Moffitt has legit mental health issues that require him to be taking Adderall. I cannot recall what Guy’s excuse was, but I am starting to get the sense that Georgia was right, that this kid isn’t too bright, and that might have something to do with him accidentally ingesting a banned substance.

    Now Irvin and Browner legitimately tried to cheat. I give Browner something of a pass because this guy has had to fight his way into the NFL, and I’m sure ever since he realized the situation he was in he’s probably thought of every possible edge he could obtain. I’m not real clear on the CFL’s drug policy but something tells me it’s probably a little more lax than what the NFL’s is.

    The media and even some this team’s own fanbase are making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is. This would all probably be a dead topic by now were it someone different than Pete Carroll running the team. This entire story is basically an attack on Pete Carroll’s character, and it’s a story for sports media outlets to hold onto during the lull of the offseason.

    Why isn’t anyone other than Mike Florio talking about the issues Jeff Fisher is having with the little brats he’s recently drafted in St. Louis, or the fact that he has a penchant for drafting dirtbag players? Because he isn’t Pete Carroll, obviously.

  45. bbnate420 says:

    It would be ideal to beat the Stealers in the SB IMO.

    STTBM, I’ve been around. I apologized to Sluggo and he accepted, in case you missed it. I was on edge for personal reasons and greatly overreacted to his post. I was in the wrong and said as much.

    If you’re referring to me and Chuck, I think we squashed it? Anyways, I don’t think I was the one that went overboard there first anyways. We both got into a heated area. I think I was right, and I would bet he thinks the same. It happens. We certainly won’t always agree.

  46. “We had to get harvin, cuz SF would have. Can you imagine the horrors of him being on that team?”

    The Seahawks have the best secondary in the NFL. It is slightly insulting the way you seem to be putting this; like the team just had to stop Harvin from becoming a 9′er or face annihilation. If Colin Kapernick was a much more proven commodity then I might see your point. I really think too many NFL fans in general have already placed the guy on too high of a pedestal before he’s really proven anything. Moreover, there are legitimate issues with Kaepernick’s mechanics, as well as his ability to be a leader, and his poise.

  47. banosser says:

    Sekolah says:
    Unbelievably stupid on Harbaugh’s part to take a shot at Seattle like that. That is exactly what this is; a jab.
    ——–
    Agreed… and I can’t wait till one of his 9ers is busted for PEDs and suspended by the League.. After this latest rant he’ll have no choice but to kick the player off the team..

  48. Dukeshire says:

    We can rationalize the PED suspensions all we like, but honstely it is cut and dry that Seattle leads the league. ANd hopefully we’ve seen the last of them.

  49. bbnate420 says:

    Jim Harbarf is a good coach, and an UNSUFFERABLE loudmouth. He’ll have his fat pie hole filled with his own foot soon enough.

  50. chuck_easton says:

    Both bbnate and I gave as well as we got. We both went above and beyond. And, I can only speak for myself but I think bbnate will agree, the exchange went to its unlogical nuclear explosion level before either party realized we were there.

    Over and done. Nate and I will stay away from any and all discussions about the P word. I see where he’s coming from with his medical background, and he understands I see things from the legal side.

    Oh, and we won’t be discussing religion, politics, or who has the smarter kids.

    Now back to football.

    1. If/when TJack signs does the team keep 4 QB’s into camp?
    2. Does the loser of the competition for the #2 spot (TJack, Quinn) move down to #3 or move out the door?

  51. sluggo42 says:

    Ya STTBM,

    I think you are the one who hasn’t been in the room lately. All spats have been resolved, and the seahawk love feast has shifted to , of all things never thought possible, TJack!

    And weirder yet, bobby is down!

    It’s like weird time in here right now.

    And Sekola,
    I know we have a good secondary, but would you rather face the niners twice with him on their team, or with him on our team?
    I’m guessing we can agree on that answer. The guy is a 1-A weapon from multiple positions, as well as a fantastic diversionary tactic that will free space for others.
    I personally would not be happy if he were a 49 er, and every 49er fan down here in SoCal where I live tells me they dread facing him, as much or more than lynch… They all basically start to mutter..

  52. bbnate420 says:

    Chuck, I felt like you went above and beyond before I did, but I realize that things I said may have been taken as disrespectful by you which I didn’t think were. I apologize if that was the case. We both certainly descended into disrespectful and unproductive language. Miscommunication is common. Regardless, I will apologize for my part in posting negative and unproductive comments.

  53. bbnate420 says:

    BTW Chuck, you certainly have the smarter kids. I don’t have any. I won’t argue that with you anyways. ;-)

  54. bbnate420 says:

    And we can discuss politics or other hot button topics if they relate to the post, Chuck. That’s if you want to. I think it’s good for myself anyways. I need to work on just laying out my position without getting too emotional or invested.

  55. bbnate420 says:

    And to #2, I don’t think both Quinn and TJack will be on the 53. The loser of the battle is released. I think the winner makes it, and likely JJ goes to the PS if he’s eligible and doesn’t get picked up.

  56. I hate Jim Harbaugh as much as anybody. Hate him. But what he said today was 100% above board. Same things I would have said.

    He said that often one just doesn’t know who is cheating. True. He said you can’t take people at their word when they talk about cheating, especially if they are winners and have winning reputations to protect. True. He said cheating sucks and he implied that all his life people have accused him of cheating and that sucks too, so he prefers not to comment on this too much.

    Harbaugh may be a jerk, but there was nothing wrong with anything he said about PEDs or the Seahawks today. This isn’t locker room material.

    Let’s just focus on beating the Niners trap block schemes.

  57. CDHawkFan says:

    So if they hadn’t brought in Flynn (which cost $4 million in 2012) and kept Jackson, they wouldn’t have had the 7th this year from the Bills or the 5th and 7th from Oakland. We also wouldn’t have had much to talk about on the blog.

    T Jack cap hit in 2012 would have been more than Flynn’s, so 3 picks and a little cap savings, not bad JS.

  58. BobbyK – kudos on coming on with the TJack post today.

    I knew I’d wear you down eventually and convince you. ;-)

  59. HonHawksLSB says:

    I would compare Russell Wilson to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers when it come to soph seasons. Those 3 guys get an advantage with their ability but mostly with their work and study habits.

    There stats are straight line and the plateau off in the top 5.

  60. Hey – having a great “knowledge of the game” and being able to execute that knowledge on the field are TOTALLY different concepts. You may “know” where the opening is going to be and why – but if you can’t read it fast enough or have the confidence to get it there are totally different. (knowledge vs application)

    We all know that RW will be able to handle the application portion for easier than others, but IMO he will never stop learning or picking other peoples brains to get better. Tjack has seen more than RW in his career, he can help him get the knowledge, and then RW can take it to the next level with his ability to put his knowledge into great plays on the field

  61. bbnate420 says:

    Great point, xcman. As has been said before, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. There’s a big difference between knowing what you should do and being able to execute it with 300 pound men coming for your head.

  62. I must have missed Nate and sluggo making peace. Good! No worries, I was just statingy hope that some of my favorite commenters to discuss stuff with will get along; not trying to be blog cop at this point. Peace!

  63. Stevos, I interpreted Harbaugh’s comment as him talking about Seahawks players and not being able to take them at their word due to recent history: ie, you can’t believe what cheaters say. The quote from Bo schembechler is nice and all, but just a little bit sanctimonious. As a coach of an NFL team, me thinks it is not very smart to throw the first stone and pretend you will not ever have a PED user on your team. In fact, there is a very good chance a user is already on his squad and he doesn’t know it, or they just haven’t been caught yet. How sweet would it be if it turned out Ricardo Lockette and Kaep were both using “adderrall” together as roommates?

    What would he do if Marcus Lattimore gets popped after he takes PED’s so he can heal faster and come back sooner? Would he release him on the spot like he implies? We shall see how he acts if this kind of situation ever happens. I know I would be the first to nail his balls to the wall if he doesn’t do as he says. If you talk the talk, u gotta walk the walk. He has painted himself into a corner with his holier than thou attitude and comments, now he has to release the offending player or he looks like a jack wagon. Good job jimbo.

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