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Talented Seahawks roster creates uphill climb for draft picks

Post by Eric Williams on May 8, 2013 at 12:05 pm with 38 Comments »
May 8, 2013 12:05 pm

There’s a reason that most draft analysts gave the Seattle Seahawks a pass when it came to the curious choices the team made in this year’s draft.

They’ve earned it.

For Seattle, 21 of the 28 players selected by Seahawks general manager John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll have earned spots on the team’s 53-man roster. And 10 of those players blossomed into starters – tied for the most with Arizona among NFC West teams.

NFC West starters selected in the past three drafts

Team201020112012Total
Seattle43310
San Francisco3306
St. Louis2237
Arizona44210

But all of that could change in 2013. Several national publications have pointed to Seattle as having the most talented roster in the NFL. And both Schneider and Carroll have said it will be tough for this year’s draft picks and undrafted rookie free agents to breakthrough and earn a spot on this year’s 53-man roster.

NFC West players selected in the past three drafts on 53-man rosters

Team201020112012Total
Seattle66921
San Francisco56617
St. Louis43916
Arizona66719

Seattle could be looking at a similar scenario to what NFC West rival San Francisco experienced last season. The 49ers had zero starts among the team’s seven draft picks in 2012, which included first round draft choice A.J. Jenkins and running back LaMichael James in the second round.

“It isn’t all black and white, and you’ve either got to start or don’t to make it,” Carroll said during the draft, when asked about his team’s draft haul. “Guys contribute, and they help us. And sometimes the subtle way they help us is by making other players play well. And that’s all part of the thinking, and it’s embedded in the way we operate.”

Only four of San Francisco’s seven draft picks earned a spot on the team’s initial, 53-man roster to open the 2012 season. Yet the 49ers advanced to the Super Bowl, a result Schneider would surely take if Seattle follows suit by advancing to the big game under similar circumstances in 2013.

“If we were playing in the Super Bowl, I think we would be pretty excited,” Schneider said during the draft a few weeks ago. “The 49ers drafted very well last year. They took very good players. It’s just that they’re a very talented football team, so those guys weren’t able to get on the field quite as much.”

I have a gentleman’s bet with Seattle Times’ columnist Jerry Brewer that only four of Seattle’s 11 draft picks will make the initial roster for Seattle at the end of training camp this year.

Brewer says six. The line’s set at 5 ½. What do you think? Let us know in the comments section.

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  1. stantak says:

    This team seems so deep, I don’t think 4 will make the roster at first. I’m thinking maybe 3, but injuries can change that number.

  2. chuck_easton says:

    I’m with you. 4 or 5 at the most. If I had to name names I would say:

    Michael
    Williams
    Simon
    Hill

    I’d give Harper and Ware outside chances with the possibility of PS jobs.

  3. HawkfaninMT says:

    Curious to know who the 4 you thin that will make it are…

    I think Michael, Hill, Williams, Harper, Simon, and Bailey make the 53

  4. HawkfaninMT says:

    To add:
    Michael would take LW spot
    Hill over Scruggs
    Williams over Branch (already gone)
    Harper over Kearse
    Simon over Thurmond
    Bailey over Moffitt (upside over solid-not spectacular starter) Sweezey starts at RG

    I could see Ware taking MRob’s spot if they feel he is up to speed and can get in sync with Lynch. He is definitely cheaper.

  5. HonHawksLSB says:

    Judd Zulagg from ESPN 1500 Minn was talking so much trash about Percy Harvin on NFL Radio this morning, it was really upsetting.

    He basically said that Percy was a punk and HAD to go or else the locker room would have been divided. He thinks that Spielman ripped Schnieder off by getting more than a 1st round pick and gave the Vikes GM an “A” for his offseason moves and draft up this this point in his tenure. All I have is 2 words for that statement… Christian Ponder.

    In regards to Antoine Winfield he reported that Minn will greatly miss him and AW turned down more guaranteed money to play with the Hawks.

  6. HonHawksLSB says:

    Eric… I would take the Under for sure on Rookies making the initial 53.

    Michael
    MonStar
    Hill
    Harper
    Simon ***I think we trade Walter Thurmond prior to training camp***

    PSquad is even going to be tough to make on this team.

  7. yankinta says:

    Not to mention Jim H and that 49ers Front Office inherited that team from previous regime where PC and JS built our Seahawks from scratch.

    Haters are gonna hate until they’ve eaten some crows and has to shut up about it……pay no attention to people from Viking’s nation….

  8. I like our first 5 picks to make it. After that it’s a crap shoot.

  9. grizindabox24 says:

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  10. bbnate420 says:

    I’d guess 5 right now, though it’s really just a complete crap shoot before you see who gets injured in TC. It’s not likely that every one stays healthy.

    I guess that Michael, Hill, Harper, Williams, and Simon make the 53.

  11. grizindabox24 says:

    Think these are guys possibly replaced prior to the season purely based the cap:

    McQ
    McDonald
    Farwell
    Mike Rob
    Maragos
    Thurmond

  12. bbnate420 says:

    McDonald and Thurmond make like 600 and 750 K respectively. You hardly save much by cutting them. The Hawks really don’t have anyone to backup ET besides Maragos, unless they want to try converting a CB. Farwell is a possibility, but he has a lot of value on special teams. So does Mike Rob, as well as being a pro bowl FB. You don’t seem to value special teams.

    Any of these guys could surely be replaced, but I think it will be because they got outplayed, not purely due to cap. I really don’t see it happening with Mike Rob. I don’t think you understand his value. It’s highly unlikely that Ware will be ready at FB his rookie year. Most rookies aren’t, and he hasn’t played it since his freshman year.

  13. grizindabox24 says:

    McDonald would clear $1.3M in cap and granted Thurmond only makes $630K, keeping Simon instead would save $225K.

    Those 2 moves would get the Hawks to about $6M is cap space, about where they would like to be for rollover. I just think you should keep an eye on who the Hawks bring in, and that those 6 are probably the starting point if the Hawks clear space, which I am pretty sure they will do.

  14. grizindabox24 says:

    Correction, Thurmond make $750K but would save $630K in cap

  15. bbnate420 says:

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/clinton-mcdonald/

    McDonald has a 630 K base salary in 2013. I forgot to mention that cutting Thurmond only save 630 K in cap. Good catch. I could certainly see them keeping Simon or someone else instead of Thurmond, but I don’t think it will be a purely cap move like you suggested. I think that if Thurmond is healthy and plays well enough to make the team he will. If not, he won’t.

  16. Southendzone says:

    5.5 is the perfect place to set that line. I’ll take the under, in my world neither J. Williams or Simon make the team.

    C.Micheal
    M.Harper
    J.Hill
    Ware
    Bailey

    I know there’s a problem with my prediction in that it leaves us with 5 total RB/FB’s on the team and that seems high.

  17. grizindabox24 says:

    bbnate, I think your site has his number incorrect. McDonald signed a $1.3M qualifying offer.

  18. bbnate420 says:

    griz, yeah, rotoworld had the 630 K figure too, but I found a number of articles saying it was 1.3 mil. I’d say the 1.3 mil is probably right. Does anyone else know?

    I think that McDonald currently will have to make the squad, he hardly has a spot sown up. If he’s outperformed by others, or he’s equal with one of the rookies, then I think he will not make the 53. But if he outplays the other DTs, I don’t think he’s released just for the cap space.

    McQ has the largest salary there to be shed, but he’s just so versatile. It’s very valuable on a o-line. I think it depends on whether or not they sign another vet OT too. I think another OT will have to step up at this point, along with the young G’s for him to get the boot.

  19. bbnate420 says:

    Mike Rob is the only one I would be shocked about if he didn’t make the 53.

  20. grizindabox24 says:

    bbnate, just said those are a few guys to watch

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If you count the practice squad then I would say 7-9 makes it.

  22. I’d say at least six for the active roster:

    Michael
    Hill
    Harper
    Williams
    Simon
    Willson

    It wouldn’t surprise me if 2 of the later round picks (Ware & Bowie) makes it as well.

  23. sluggo42 says:

    nope, 4 I have always said
    Hill
    Cristin
    Harper
    maybe Luke
    Maybe Williams, one of those two…

  24. Dukeshire says:

    I’m going with Eric’s under. I see Christine, Hill, Williams, and Harper making it, all things being equal. Simon may have an outside shot if Thurmond can’t stay healthy and Lane falls flat (not terrible stretches). But that’s only 5. After that it’s a real leap to see any of them sticking anywhere but the PS, if that. Willson and Smith will likely be added to the PS, as they are the two biggest projects selected.

    In any case, I’m pumped the rookies are reporting this week. Here we go…

  25. OregonHawk says:

    Not sure about Thurmond, * My gut says he is a better back up slot guy than anyone else on the roster.

    Read some article that says a slot corner is special, in that they are your nickel corner and your nickel lb to cover the run, they have to be good tacklers and cover the shifty slot recievers

  26. bbnate420 says:

    I think Ware is on the PS unless he can beat out Mike Rob, which I don’t see happening. Willson is likely a PS guy. Something tells me that one of the o-lineman will surprise and push for the 53.

  27. blueshq says:

    For betting purposes I assume Percy does not count but it wouldn’t hurt to spell that out. In any case I go with the over due to injuries and other unforeseen events.

  28. I think Luke Wilson gets cut and if no other team snatches him, he has a shot at the PS. We’ll see.

    While I think, like Eric, that only 4 players make the 53 man roster this year out of our draft, I think a couple more (2-4) will make the rosters of other teams. You better believe if our rookies show well in PS, Jax and the Raiders will pounce on anyone we try to sneak to the PS.

    My bet to make this team is Micheals, Hill, Da Monstah, and Tharold Simon. PS dudes will be the DT Cable wants to be the new Sweezy and the the rest, if none get snatched by other teams.

    I havent seen tape of Harper, and I like Kearse. I think Harper gets cut and someone snatches him. Kearse will step up and beat him out for the last roster spot.

  29. Thurmond will make the team if he can stay healthy. With any injury problems at all, they will move on from him, due to the sheer numbers competition at DB. Winston Guy, Maragos, Maxwell, Simon, Lane and the rest of the corner back hopefuls are competing for at most 4 spots. Somebody good is gonna get cut and wind up somewhere else–ie, Jax or the Raiders, who both still need secondary help. And the Raiders made out like Bandits claiming Philip Adams off waivers last year from us, they wont hesitate to poach again.

  30. bbnate420 says:

    You’re most likely right, STTBM. They have 6 spots for CBs at most. Some good players aren’t going to make the 53.

  31. Anthony64 says:

    The WR battle will be a good one. Interested to see who makes the team.

  32. LeePHilI says:

    RE: The Minnesota ESPN radio host’s contempt for Harvin

    Thanks. We’ll figure out how to get by with him. Pete was trolling for Harvin back when Percy played against the Hawks (see NFL top 100)

    Nice catch, Pete!

  33. Singularitarian says:

    My guess is that they have 7 or 8 rookies on the 53. I’l go Michael, Hill, Harper, Simon, J Wiliams, Wilson, Ware and maybe a line man or two and no Ware. We shall see. That chart that showed the players each year that made the 53, that was players that made the 53 in 2012 I believe, not the draft year

  34. Sekolah says:

    As I see it, the top 7 picks from this draft all have real shots at making the roster. Ware is about the only guy from the group that I’m a little iffy on. We don’t use the FB enough in Bevell’s system to warrant keeping two FB’s. Still, I think if they wanted, they could find a way to carry 5 RB’s (Lynch, Michael, Turbin, Robinson, Ware).

    Simon’s basically in a battle with Maxwell, as I see it, so he’d better embrace the fact that he’ll need to be one hell of a gunner if he’s going to bump him off of the roster.

    I feel for Will Blackmon, DeSean Shead, Ron Parker and Chandler Fenner. CB has to be the deepest, most competitive spot on the roster this year.

  35. grizindabox24 says:

    I believe the Hawks will keep 1 rookie offensive lineman.

  36. Newborough says:

    I go with the over and predict the following 6 make the final 53

    Michael takes Washingstons vacant spot
    Hill over Howard
    Williams takes Branchs vacant spot
    Harper over Kearse
    Simon over Maxwell
    Seymour over Jeanpierre (Moffitt assumes back-up C role)

    I’d love to see Bowie develop to the point that he’d be kept over McQuistan, to back up both tackle spots, but frankly I don’t see it this early. I see a big danger of losing Bowie and Ware while trying to smuggle them onto the PS. Willson, not so much.

  37. TruBlu says:

    Don’t see Simon making the team.

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