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Morning links: Cable says O-line in midseason form

Post by Eric Williams on May 3, 2013 at 7:16 am with 60 Comments »
May 3, 2013 7:19 am
Seattle Seahawks coach Tom Cable at a football training camp Monday, Aug. 1, 2011, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)
Seattle Seahawks coach Tom Cable at a football training camp Monday, Aug. 1, 2011, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com has an interesting report from Phase II of Seattle’s offseason conditioning program at the VMAC.

Seattle offensive line/assistant head coach Tom Cable says that his group has started right where they left off, retaining a lot of the information taught to them in 2012.

Farnsworth reports the incumbent offensive line includes Russell Okung at left tackle, Paul McQuistan at left guard, Max Unger at center, J.R. Sweezy at right guard and Breno Giacomini, who’s recovering from elbow surgery, at right tackle.

“We’re able to just kind of plug in where we left off,” Cable said. “Then the newness and the new things we want to add to it, we’ll put some focus to that. But it’s really been pretty good how they’ve competed just to bring it back with them. It’s made it a lot easier for us.”

There’s been some questions in the comments section about the health of specific players, but we’ve had no media availability for offseason workouts. The next media availability scheduled for the Seahawks is next Friday, the opening day of Seattle’s three-day, rookie minicamp.

Elliott Harrison of NFL.com ranks Seattle No. 2 in the league in his post-draft, NFL power rankings.

Seahawks receiver Percy Harvin is No. 90 on the NFL Network’s top 100 players for 2012. Check out the video link here.

KJR’s Ian Furness talks with Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com about Seattle’s draft haul in this audio link.

Joel Corry of the National Football Post provides a comprehensive look at what rookies from this year’s draft class should make on their rookie deals.

Hua Hsu writing for Grantland provides some interesting perspective on the growing popularity of football in China. It’s worth a read if you have some time this morning.

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  1. Galena says:

    “That whole group, the three players we drafted and the two that we signed as free agents, they’re going to allow us a chance to try and develop some youth and some depth – like the eighth, ninth and 10th positions on the offensive line,” Cable said.

    There’s a shot across the bow of our vets. I can’t believe Cable was smiling. Must have taken a lot of effort.

  2. sluggo42 says:

    Harvin only #90?
    Blasphemy!

  3. chrisj122 says:

    Not sure if that constitutes as a smile but none the less he does appear to be somewhat cheerful.

    Seriously though, I do hope our O.L. is working well as a unified unit going in to the season, maybe Okung won’t have too many false start penalties.

  4. chuck_easton says:

    chrisj,

    You mean Okung, as in starting PRO BOWL LT Okung?

    Yes, he had a few at the beginning of the season, but he finished the year the best LT in the NFC.

    What more do you want from the guy?

  5. yankinta says:

    sluggo42, that’s because he hasn’t been healthy recently. I believe he’ll be healthy this season and will become top 10-15 in the NFL after this season. We already know he has that kind of talent.

    I like our O-Line. I think we can win with it. and I think Carpenter will surprise many people this season and prove his critics wrong.

  6. bbnate420 says:

    Perfection. Everyone on this blog is perfect, so why can’t we expect it from the players? ;-)

  7. montanamike2 says:

    Yeah his #90 ranking is completely due to injury or he’d be way up there,
    i saw it on NFL network.

  8. montanamike2 says:

    It looks from the links yesterday that my hopes for Fells was for naught if he was getting schooled.

  9. chrisj122 says:

    I’m not saying Okung isn’t a pro-bowl caliber player but he does have a tendency to move his left foot back just before the ball is snapped.

    Okung did get better as the season progressed but regardless he did have his fair share of false starts. Just as in years past he has been injury prone but it didn’t take away from how good he was when he did play.

  10. chuck_easton says:

    Wow Chrisj, I’d hate to be your kid.

    ‘Now timmy, I know you made the school honour role, and you were recognized as the smartest student in your entire school, but the way you step off the bus just isn’t right and I want you to fix that this year…’

    Every LT in football has developed that quick first back step. And yes, there are times where it looks like they are jumping the snap. But the really good ones, you know, the type of LT’s that make the pro-bowl, have learned to time it just right so that they can get a jump without being called.

  11. rramstad says:

    The quick first step back with the left foot is a hallmark of a great left tackle in pass protection…

    I am thrilled to hear Cable stating exactly what I believed at draft time. The new guys coming in for the OL will do exactly what they are supposed to do. If they are any good, they will push the vets. If they are great, they will win and join the team. If they are not great, they will at least light a fire under the vets. Either way, Seahawks OL improves.

    It’s also fantastic to hear that he feels they are motivated and ready to go. His starting five is also a big wake up call to the other guys on the roster that he considers them in competition for those last few roster spots as opposed to them being automatically part of the starting group if they just get healthy i.e. Carp and Moffit would have to be idiots not to get the memo, it’s time to make the team, or move aside for someone hungrier.

  12. chrisj122 says:

    If Timmy is the smartest student in class that’s great, but if he’s not there or gets in trouble a lot of the time then his intelligence gets over looked.
    Not that Okung is a Timmy because this is a terrible metaphor.

    I’m not sure how many penalties Okung had last season but if my memory serves me correct he was among the highest penalized at his position.

    Just saying if there is room for him to improve it would be to cut down on the penalties.
    Nothing kills drives faster than penalties.

  13. Macabrevity says:

    I was a bit surprised by that left foot at times too. The thing that really got me though was how that mobile blindside-protecting rookie OT who was really at his best absorbing pass rushers suddenly transformed into a monster road grader in the run game. Ultimately the only thing I want from Okung is healthy ankles!!!!

  14. bbnate420 says:

    Okung was one of the more penalized OTs and still made the pro bowl. If I recall correctly, his penalties declined significantly as the season went down. We have to remember that he was playing with a new QB to start the season. They certainly didn’t have the entire off-season with RW to acclimate to his cadence due to the QB competition. There may have been other factors involved.

    You are right that he should have less penalties than he did last year, and that a player, person for that matter, should always strive to improve. I would bet his pro bowl status helps him with some calls in the future as well. I remember at least a couple of holding calls that I thought were obviously BS. Even if he continues to makes more penalties than you’d like, I can live with that if he continues to play at a pro bowl level. I think some of us may be spoiled and have some unrealistic expectations of a LT since we had Walt for so many years. Most players aren’t going to be first ballot HOF players.

  15. Mr Williams: Is John Carpenter rehabbing surgery? John Moffitt?

  16. bbnate420 says:

    I don’t think that Top 100 list is anymore absurd than pro bowl voting or voting for the AP All-Pro Team. The list is voted on solely by the players. 33% of it isn’t votes from fans just voting for players from their favorite teams. There’s no list that will please everybody. I certainly wouldn’t put Jacoby Jones ahead of Harvin. They’re both great returners, but Jones is not nearly the receiver that Harvin is. And Harvin can run it out of the backfield as well. I think the Top 100 is usually pretty decent for the most part. 20 down and we already have 2 Hawks on it. I think there will be at least another 5 on the list too.

  17. bbnate420 says:

    klm008, I think John Carpenter is a little old to be playing football. They Live and Escape from L.A. are good movies though. ;-)

  18. OregonHawk says:

    The next step for Okung is eliminating penalties. He was flagged 10 times in nine games, tied with the Cowboys’ Doug Free for most in the NFL.

    That’s part of a larger trend in Seattle. There are 11 players in the NFL who have been penalized eight or more times this season; three are Seahawks players Okung, tackle Breno Giacomini (eight) and cornerback Brandon Browner (eight).

    With 56 penalties, the Seahawks are tied for 19th in the league.

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-11-08/seattle-seahawks-russell-okung-left-tackle-fantasy-football-week-10

  19. SideWalkHawk says:

    ChrisJ – Saying Okung is injury prone is also a misnomer. Okung had a perfect college record, and began his pro-career with the two ankle injuries. He’s past those injuries, so saying he’s injury prone is not accurate.

  20. This is great news that all the starting O linemen came in healthy and ready to go.

    In his 3 years as a pro, Russell Okung has played next to guards Paul McQuistan, James Carpenter, Robert Gallery, Mike Gibson, and Ben Hamilton. Last year, Paul McQuistan started 16 games, the first time Okung has ever had the same OG next to him for more than a few games in a row.

    What our offensive line needs is continuity, not new players. They need the same five guys playing 16 games. The communication and timing and trust that develops after playing dozens of games together is what eliminates mistakes.

    If they get continuity, the line will be twice as good next December as it was last December. If they keep swapping out guards and starting different players, they will never excel as a unit.

  21. Am I wrong for loving Breno Giacomin, his mean streak is awesome. That guy plays right up to the whistle and sometimes a bit beyond.

  22. It always amazes me somewhat how goofy and nit-picky our comment-threads can get here, before summer camp and even the pre-season have started. In other words, when we really know the very least still about what’s most likely to happen for the Seahawks this coming season.

    Having said that, and after watching this team since its inception, I still feel we quite likely have more going for us perhaps in offensive and defensive lines’ depth at this point than we’ve likely ever seen here before. [Unless you consider the five-years or whatever of Jones and Hutchinson side-by-side on the O-line as a divine act of Revelation.]

    However, we still face more unknowns than ever before perhaps now, given the notable improvement within our own division, including another formidable dynasty-in-the-making kind of opponent like the 49ers.

  23. chrisj122 says:

    Sidewalk – Okung missed a considerable amount of time in his first two seasons. He also had pectoral tear, which was because of a cheap shot but regardless he missed a good amount of time.

    Yes, the high ankle sprains were very concerning at that time because a guy of that size tends to have a lot of wear and tear on their lower joints (ankles, knees, ect.)

    I truly hope Okung will remain injury free for the most part but I would be lying if I said I didn’t some concerns about his ankles and knees.

    If he can get through this season relatively injury free, then most wont question his durability but if he becomes injured especially if it’s the ankles then many will say his is injury prone.

  24. Stevos says:

    I enjoyed coming across these draft grades today… lol…

    Seahawks 2013 Draft Grade C+
    “Seattle had an OK draft, but there were too many questionable picks.” http://walterfootball.com/offseason2013sea.php

    The same “scouts” wrote in 2012: “Seahawks Get ‘Biggest Reach Award’.
    “The Seahawks’ draft class reeks of reaches and situational players who really won’t make a big impact in the short term and, possibly, the long term.” http://walterfootball.com/draft2012awards.php
    (this was after Schneider and Carroll drafted three guys who would become the 2012 runner-up offensive and defensive rookies of the year, and the rookie sack leader.)

  25. SideWalkHawk says:

    I would agree this is an important season for Okung to continue his dominance in establishing him as a legit elite level tackle. Yet I think folks don’t take into account his stamina from college. I think we’ll see him make that next step…

  26. ChrisHolmes says:

    Draft “grades” are so stupid. We all know they’re completely meaningless. No one knows what these kids are going to do. We have to wait and see. I understand the media’s desire to quantify what just happened in some way that allows them to sell air time and invent talking points, but it’s still stupid.

    What I find just as ridiculous as the grades themselves if the analysis of the picks. You look at these grades and just about every team gets a passing grade of some kind, and the analysis is always the same: “They helped themselves by picking so-and-so in the 2nd round and then later got player X and player Y in the fourth and fifth rounds.”

    Oh really Sherlock? So you know those players are going to make it in the NFL?

    The analysts have gotten to the point where they don’t say anything bad about anyone anymore. Every kid drafted is going to “help” his team; every kid drafted is going to “improve” some area of the team.

    B.S.

    Most of the kids who just got drafted aren’t going to contribute. Some will play special teams and then disappear. A select few will have an impact. Maybe a couple make a pro bowl.

    Most will be out of the NFL in a few years.

    Why not just be honest? I mean, am I the only one, for instance, who can tell that Geno Smith is going to be an absolute train-wreck? Hello? Kid has Cam Newton combined JaMarcus Russell written all over him. And have you read what’s being said about him lately? The pre-draft and combine interviews? But he’s going to fix the Jet’s QB situation, right?

    Wrong.

    Some players, it seems to me, are obvious to figure out before they’re drafted. I’m looking at Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, and Geno Smith. I mean, they each have obvious reasons why they aren’t going to make it in the NFL.

    Sometimes you just miss on a guy. Everyone gets it wrong. Aaron Curry.

    Sometimes you miss the wrong way, and dismiss a guy who obviously has “it” – a kid who is not only talented, but is smart and is going to outwork everyone else (Russell Wilson).

    Other guys… you’re taking a shot in the dark on potential that you see that maybe others don’t (Sherman).

    How do you grade any of that a day after?

    You can’t.

  27. ruminator1 says:

    why won’t Cam Newton make it in the NFL? that was a startling judgment.

  28. HonHawksLSB says:

    Bbnate- John Carpenter’s best movie by a mile is Big Trouble in Little China!

    OLine gelling is great news. Indeed!!

  29. raymaines says:

    I also hope the line can go through a 19 game season as a cohesive unit, I just hope little Jimmy Carpenter will be on the left side of it. I don’t really care who plays right guard, but I hope they grab the job early and hang on tight.

    Now I’d like to hear similar reports from the WR & TE position coaches.

    And the D-Line coaches.

    And the LB coaches.

    And … oh, you get the idea.

  30. klm008 says:

    So, where’s James Carpenter and John Moffitt???

  31. Dukeshire says:

    I imagine Carp is still rehabbing and Moffitt isn’t with the ones. No big deal in May.

  32. bbnate420 says:

    HonHawks, you’re right, I forgot he did that movie. They Live is underrated though IMO.

    ChrisHolmes, Cam Newton is not going to make it in the NFL? That’s pretty funny. Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but he’s certainly done more than make it his first 2 years in the league. Newton has passed for almost 4,000 yards a year, 7.9 yards an attempt, a 85.3 rating, 1447 rushing yards and 22 rushing TDs. That’s 62 TDs he’s accounted for in 2 years. You’re usually pretty on point with the football opinions, but you’re way off the mark here.

  33. klm008 says:

    So if Sweezy is a one and Moffitt is a two, it’s kinda incredible to think that DLer Sweezy beat out Moffitt for RG. I really thought Moffitt would play better here than he apparently has, after what I read about his Sr Bowl practices and that game prior to his being drafted? Plus, Cable must be one heckuvan OL coach for Sweezy to pick it up so fast!

  34. ChrisHolmes says:

    Re: Cam Newton,

    I could be way off on Cam. Certainly. You’re right. No one knows the future. I just don’t think he’s going to make it long term.

    Here’s why:

    I understand he had a great rookie season and he’s put up some numbers. But numbers don’t tell the whole story.

    First, I think he runs way too much. A guy who runs as much as he does tells me a few things about the way he thinks; about what’s going on between his ears during a play. I don’t think Cam is a terrible bright kid, and I think it shows. Now, he’s a huge body and he’s incredibly athletic, so he has confidence in his running ability and he’s made plays. But ask Steve Young about that – running is not a long-term solution in the NFL. Guys who run well out of college at the QB position, but who do not learn to stop running and start passing, have shorter careers. They’re limited.

    Of course, Cam isn’t just a runner – he throws, and I get that. But I just don’t see the progression from him. A lot of his yards seem to come off broken plays, etc.

    The second thing is, Cam has a bad attitude. I know you all read about this last year. His body language, his demeanor on the sidelines, etc. That might seem like small potatoes, but I think it’s an important thing to pay attention to with Cam. QB in the NFL is a leadership position. Look at our guy – look at RW – he’s the epitome of leadership. Cam is not. That is going to shorten his career, I think.

    There have been a LOT of QB’s come into the NFL with great talent. I will always remember Jeff George, because the guy had a cannon for an arm, threw a tight spiral and was accurate.

    And he stunk as an NFL QB. He was a loner, wasn’t a leader, didn’t have the right attitude. I see the same thing from Cam Newton. He’s not a leader. He has a chip on his shoulder.

    I could be totally wrong. Sure. Maybe he matures, maybe he runs less and starts figuring out how to really read defenses and pick teams apart with his arm. He has the potential to be like Elway: strong-armed, but mobile enough to escape and extend plays.

    But so far, I don’t see it. I thought Newton regressed last year and I feel like he’s going to continue to regress.

    I didn’t like him coming out of college; but that’s me. Time will tell. He could prove me way wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time. Let’s revisit this after season #3 for the kid. You guys tell me after next year what you think.

  35. bbnate420 says:

    ChrisHolmes, I guess it depends on what you meant exactly by make it. I certainly think he’ll be in the league for 10+ years if he remains relatively healthy. He may never be an elite QB. I’m not ready to say he ever will. I certainly think he could, though his game will likely always be a bit unorthodox.

    You can have a long career as a QB that runs. You obviously open yourself up to more injuries. Randall Cunningham. Steve Young. Michael Vick. Vick has had injury issues, though he is listed at approx. 215 pounds. So were Young and Cunningham. Cam is a 250 pound beast.

    And he doesn’t run an absolutely crazy amount to me. RW’s 94 rushing attempts were approx. 24% of his passing attempts. Newton’s 127 rushing attempts were approx. 26% of his passing attempts. RGIII’s 120 rushing attempts were approx. 31% of his passing attempts. I wouldn’t have Newton run more than he does, but I don’t see why he can’t maintain 120-130 rushing attempts a year at his size. There’s never been a running QB with his size before.

  36. bbnate420 says:

    And I think saying that Jeff George stunk for his career is a bit of hyperbole. Was he really special? No. Did he live up to his #1 draft pick billing? No. But he had a few years that were above average to very good. Nobody would say he stunk if he was drafted in the 3rd round.

  37. bbnate420 says:

    To clear it up, when I think of a QB not making it I think of someone like a Jimmy Clausen, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, etc..

  38. I was really down on Cam when he came out of college (mostly b/c of the attitude) and than I ate crow that rookie year. However, I think both of you have really good points why he’s never going to develop into the superstar that was predicted from him coming out of his rookie year. His sophomore season magnified some things and I would take guys like Wilson, Luck, Brady, Manning, etc. over Cam in a heartbeat. The great ones can also lead or will teams to achieve more than their talent level indicated their teams should get to (Elway willed some mediocre teams to be much better than they should have been).

    I see Cam making his team better b/c of his athleticism, but I don’t see him developing his overall QB game as much or as fast because of that athleticism, too. Kind of like Vick in his early years. While I think he’ll be in the top half of the league in terms of QB play, I also don’t expect him to be a top 5-10 type of guy year in and year out either.

    All I know is that Carolina really got screwed by Luck staying in school an extra year (so they couldn’t draft him). Guys like Luck and Wilson are really going to define the QB position for this generation of young fans, like Elway, Marino, and Montanta did for me when I was growing up. As a Seahawks fan, it’s sure as heck exciting to have one of those names on your side moving forward.

  39. For anyone who remembers the mid-1980s Seahawk teams, this might be a good read for you. Keep in mind that I’m limited to 750 words and that part sucked. I could have easily gone over 2,000 words, but couldn’t.

    http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/05/02/the-2013-seattle-seahawks-will-succeed-where-the-1985-team-failed/

  40. raymaines says:

    Well done, Robert!

  41. There were some injuries, but last season the OL was more stable than they’d been in awhile: LT Okung, LG Carpenter and Moffitt, C Unger, RG McQuistan, and RT Giacomini. This coming season will also be “their” fifth at the ZBS. SEA ranked 1st by both Football Outsiders (FO) and Pro Football Focus (PFF) in rushing, but FO ranked SEA’s OL 3rd at run-blkg (DYAR), and PFF ranked SEA’s offense (includes OL, TEs, FBs, WRs) 15th in run-blkg. PFF and FO both ranked SF 1st at run-blkg, but also ranked SF’s rushing at 3rd. SF’s RBs underperformed while SEA’s RBs outperformed their blocking, and the lion’s share of SEA’s ’12 rushing goes to Lynch (with his 351 carries at 5 yds per, bad back and all.) Still, even though MIN’s AP (370 carries at 5.9 yds per) outperformed Lynch, MIN’s rushing only ranked 6th, so credit also goes to SEA’s coaching. Also, even though SEA ran the ball more frequently than every other offense, an effective passing game and a mobile QB in the 2nd half of the ’12 season also helped SEA outperform every other team at rushing on a per running play basis over the entire season. SEA’s record over the 4 qtrs of the ’12 regular season were 2-2, 2-2, 3-1, and 4-0, with ongoing credit to run-success but also showing the impact of an improved pass-game in the 2nd half. Good stuff. Stunning to this SEA fan.

    Looking back to when SEA started using the ZBS, in ’09 TR was GM and Mora was HC, Knapp was OC, Solari was OL coach, Jones was RB, Locklear played LT, LG was Sims, Spencer was at C, 2nd rounder Unger played RG, and Willis was at RT. FO had SEA’s rushing at 29th and OL run-blkg at 27th. PFF had SEA’s rushing at 26th and team run-blkg at 27th. Jones outperformed his run-blkg, but it was close.

    In ’10 new HC PC and GM JS hired Bates as OC and got Gibbs to be OL coach (Ruel stayed after Gibbs pulled the plug early.) JS got FB Robinson (cut late by SF) in September and traded for HB Lynch in October from BUF, and cut Griffith and Jones. (Jones went to NO and got a TD on us in the WC game.) JS got LT Okung with the 6th pick, Hamilton played LG, Spencer was still at C, JS got Andrews to replace Unger at RG, and Lock was back at RT. JS got Giacomini from GB as backup. Unger was IRd after the 1st game that season. Rushing: PFF 15th/FO 28th, offense run-blkg (PFF): 27th, OL run-blkg (FO): 28th. The difference between PFF and FO in run-offense ranking might have been FOs use of defense-adjusted stats (weaker run-D teams?) Neither Lynch nor Robinson had a preseason with SEA, and the OL (let alone the FB, TE & WRs) didn’t do much to help. Bates was fired at the end of the season for phiosophical differences with PC.

    In ’11 PC/JS got Bevel as OC and Cable for OL, kept Robinson/Lynch at FB/HB, got LG/RT Carpenter in the 1st and RG Moffitt in the 3rd, JS also got McQuistan from CLE as backup and probably Cable got Gallery from OAK. Okung played LT, Gallery LG, Unger C, Moffitt RG, and Giacomini RT. Carpenter got injured early. Lotsa other injuries on the OL. ’11 was also the new CBA season so nobody got much of a training camp. Rushing: PFF 27th/FO 14th, offense run-blkg (PFF): 28th, OL run-blkg (FO): 19th. Again, the difference between PFF and FO in run-offense ranking might have been FOs use of defense-adjusted stats (stronger run-D teams?) Again, not much of a TC for a new/re-shuffeled OL and the 2nd consecutive season without TC for Rob/Lynch.

    Last season had a TC and some stability at OL. Let’s hope for more of the same in ’13!

  42. bbnate420 says:

    I’m certainly not the biggest Luck fan here, but I would have to say that I’d take Luck over Cam at this point. And I do think Cam had the better rookie year. I think it’s likely that Luck is the better QB in 3 years. He has the temperament and football acumen that Cam doesn’t seem to. They both have outstanding physical tools, though Cam’s are probably slightly superior.

  43. ChrisHolmes says:

    “I guess it depends on what you meant exactly by make it. I certainly think he’ll be in the league for 10+ years if he remains relatively healthy.”

    Well, that’s where I’ll disagree. I don’t think Cam Newton makes it 10 years. I don’t think he has the mental toughness, the right attitude, the leadership, poise, or study habits to have a long career. I think he’ll flame out, is what I’m saying. I think Newton’s best year will end up being his rookie year.

    “You can have a long career as a QB that runs. You obviously open yourself up to more injuries. Randall Cunningham. Steve Young.”

    Yes, but those guys learned how to throw and minimize running. Steven Young gave a great interview a couple years ago about this very fact (and it might have been in regards to Newton or Vick, I can’t remember). But the thing I remember taking away from that interview was that Young didn’t think he’d have made the hall of fame if he would have kept running like he did in the beginning of his career. It was only after he learned to really work on and develop his pocket skills that his career took off.

    Newton is a running QB right now. He has to change to have a chance at a long career, IMO.

    “And I think saying that Jeff George stunk for his career is a bit of hyperbole. Was he really special? No. Did he live up to his #1 draft pick billing? No. But he had a few years that were above average to very good. Nobody would say he stunk if he was drafted in the 3rd round.”

    I guess a better way to say it would be, he never lived up to his potential. He never really came close. To me – that’s the issue.

    Guys like Newton have a load of potential because of their size, arm strength and athletic nature. But playing QB in the NFL takes way more than athletic gifts. If that were all it took, JaMarcus Russell would be a pro bowler by now.

    When I judge a QB in the NFL, and I’m trying to determine if I think a guy can make it in the NFL, I’m interested in what his attitude and work ethic are like. Like BobbyK said – some QB’s can will their teams to better performances. That’s not a talent that shows up on a sheet of paper like a 40 time. But it’s important.

    I don’t see Newton as a 10+ year guy. Time will tell.

  44. raymaines says:

    Cam Newton sucks!!

    Well actually, no he doesn’t.

    Here’s a good read for a slow Saturday afternoon:

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2013/5/2/4292618/the-next-stage-of-human-evolution-is-amongst-us

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m not going to bet against Newton playing 10+ years. If Vick can make it this long, so can Newton. The fall off from the top 10-15 QBs in the NFL to the rest of the QBs is a big drop imo.
    And for some organizations it’s a lot about selling ticket’s too.
    When Vick was here in Atlanta he could do no wrong to a lot of fans here.
    Poor field awareness? No problem!
    Poor leadership skills? No problem!
    Flip the fans off? No problem!
    Pit bull fighting? No problem!
    Why?
    Because He, (like Newton) had such a unique set of physical tools that have never been seen in the NFL at QB before. And fans are mostly suckers at falling for that kind of stuff.

    At this stage Newton is not consistent enough to be considered an elite qb, however he sure is capable of playing an elite game at anytime.
    I sure hope that time is not our season opener.

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Good read raymaines.

    I was reading the comment section of that article and happened to see this one.-
    -”And then there is Russell Wilson.
    He is the same size as the rest of us. Except for his hands. He has meat hooks for hands. I have heard when you shake his hand it is like trying to shake a bunch of bananas.”

    Bobby K,
    Imagine if Krieg had the hands of Wilson? The Seahawks may have taken a Super Bowl or two away from the 49ers . Lol.

  47. I think it will be in interesting to see how the OL shakes out this year for a number of reasons.

    1. Each of the last few years they have gotten off to a very slow start but have finished strong to give hope for the next year. – has been for various reasons, health, level of play etc.

    2. We look to be deeper than in past years

    3. our Most Versitile guy is the guy that appears to be the most vulnerable to a salary cap cut.

    4. it seems that our younger guys are either good at the run game or the Passing game but not clearly both.

    lets hope we get to see some continuity early and let it grow through out season

  48. Difference is – Percy has NFL experience and Austin has none – enuf said!!

  49. raymaines says:

    That and he’s 3 inches shorter and 20 lbs lighter than PH.

    Hi Tavon, please meet my friends Kam and Brandon. What were you saying about being a slot receiver in the NFCW?

  50. HonHawksLSB says:

    Trial By Fire on NFL network chronicles Wilson, Luck & RG3 during their rookie season. It’s frickin awesome, record it ASAP!

  51. montanamike2 says:

    I don’t think that Austin will be Harvin, not even in a few years.
    The kid’s really good but can’t endure the physical nature of the NFL,
    those few extra inches and pounds, plus experience will seperate him along with Kam seperating his head from his body.

  52. montanamike2 says:

    I love having Kam as an enforcer for us, i’ll bet if we didn’t lock him up already that there’s a few teams that would have snatched him up right away.

  53. montanamike2 says:

    When he’s a FA.

  54. bbnate420 says:

    ChrisHolmes, you’re right, we will see. Neither of us knows right now. But if Cam is a running QB, then so is RW. Like I posted, RW’s rushing attempts were 24% of his passing attempts and Cam’s were 26%. RGIII runs even more. I do think RW is more capable of being a pocket dominant QB than Cam is, and I think that RW looks to run past the LOS less than Cam does. Yes, running QBs usually always learn to run less as they get older. Even Vick’s rushing attempts were only 10-11% of his passing attempts in 2012. But none of them were 250 pounds. That’s the unknown. Cam’s build to sustain the hits better than any of the aforementioned QBs. IMO, Cam doesn’t have a lot of talent around him on offense. He has Steve Smith and a bunch of guys that are either mediocre or injured a lot of the time. Whether or not Cam’s second year was worse than his rookie year is debatable. His QB rating went up slightly and his INTs went down. It was also his second year. It’s a different ballgame when teams have a whole off-season and season’s worth of tape to prepare for you with. It will be interesting to see how the 2012 rookie QBs adjust. I’m pretty sure that RW won’t have a sophomore slump due to lack of preparation at least.

  55. bbnate420 says:
  56. bbnate420 says:

    That was a good read, raymaines. It reminds me of a time where I played a pickup game of football with a guy that was a decorated high school RB/DB from my area. He played for a lower level college and never made the NFL as I remember. It was shocking just how much faster and more athletic he was than anyone else there. He was smaller than me and I’m a pretty strong guy, so I was able to tackle him the ONE time I was able to get both my arms on him. That was the problem, getting more than a finger tip on him. I’m certainly the not the fastest guy, but no one else there could even come close to running with him either. When I was on the same team and playing QB, I would just go back and chuck the ball as far as I could. He would get it for a TD like 90+ % of the time. It certainly was an eye opener.

  57. raymaines says:

    Remember the really bad 1986 movie Howard The Duck, where some sort of tractor beam pulls Howard from his home planet on the other side of the universe to the earth? Howard is a totally normal guy and does everything pretty much the same as we do here except that he’s a three foot tall duck.

    “Howard The Duck” helps to explain how or why guys like Russell Wilson and other superstar athletes exist among us. They’re aliens! Real Earthlings like you and I shouldn’t be expected to compete with the likes of Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Lance Armstrong, Walter Payton or Randy Johnson.

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