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Seahawks hire Dan Quinn as defensive coordinator

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 17, 2013 at 10:53 am with 114 Comments »
January 17, 2013 10:53 am
New Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn. (The News Tribune file photo)
New Seattle Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn. (The News Tribune file photo)

Well, the didn’t take long.

Just as news broke this morning that Gus Bradley has been hired away by Jacksonville as the team’s new head coach, the Seattle Seahawks moved quickly, hiring former defensive line coach Dan Quinn as the team’s new defensive coordinator.

Quinn initially had been considered for the position in 2009 when Jim Mora took over as head coach, but Bradley blew Mora away in his interview, and Quinn was brought on as the defensive line/assistant head coach.

Quinn left after the 2010 season to serve as the defensive coordinator at Florida, where he turned that unit into one of the best defenses in college football.

Bringing Quinn back keeps some continuity within the organization, and adds a popular coach back to the mix on the defensive side of the ball.

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  1. PugetHawk says:

    Nice. I am happy that we got a defensive line guru to be the new coordinater because that was our biggest weakness last year. Hopefully Quinn will have some aggressive blitz schemes to get pressure and not blow games late like they did several times last season.

  2. NWPoseidon says:

    Is there a rule that Defensive Coordinators must shave their head and for bonus points grow some sort of facial hair?

  3. Good move. Love it

  4. I guess I dont know much. I thought Quinn sucked, but it looks likely that we just didnt have much talent until after Quinn left. I havent paid all that much attention (okay, nearly none) to college football the last couple seasons, so I had no idea Florida had a great D under Quinn.

    Seems to be a good hire after all. Thanks to Dukeshire for putting me straight when I was talking smack about what I didnt know. Mea culpa, and all that.

    Lets go Seahawks, Lets go Quinn…here’s to our blitzes finally working, on using Browner to jam guys at the line like we should be doing, and for perhaps figuring out that Chancellor may be a WLB/nickel SS rather than an every-down SS afterall…and for us finding a pass rush and some staying-power on the line.

  5. thursday says:

    Same here STTBM, I don’t follow college football much, but reading about the Gator’s defense here in the last few minutes, I have to say this sounds like a good (maybe even great) choice and I’m getting kinda excited about it now

  6. thursday says:

    Oh Field Gulls just put up a really thorough article about this guy: http://www.fieldgulls.com/latest-news/2013/1/17/3887394/dan-quinn-seahawks-defensive-coordinator-gus-bradley-nfl-pete-carroll

    I’m liking this more every minute

  7. thursday–thanks for the field gulls link. Interesting stuff.

    Its exciting to think what may happen next year, with Red Bryant hopefully back to his early season form, back from his foot ailment, and a return to the elephant/leo/4-3 Under (?) we saw in 2010.

    It seems that all along Carrol wanted to run the same D he ran in San Fran back in the day, but with Quinn leaving and Bradley staying, they changed some to fit both Bradley and Carrols ideas into the same defensive scheme. Now they can run it Carrols way, and perhaps Quinn is the guy to bring it back into the new millenium. I hope so!

    It would be cool to see Irvin do some drop-into-coverage stuff. I think he’s just so ridiculously athletic, there’s no reason he cant learn to play pass coverage, and perhaps having him play as a stand-up LB/DE Leo hybrid will help him improve vs the run.

    If we can sign a really good DT to pair with Mebane, and a DE who can take Clemons place for awhile, things are looking up. I expect Howard and Scruggs to step it up next year and contribute too, not to mention Irvin.

  8. I wonder if Quinn can get anything from Jaye Howard, whom he coached at Florida?

    I do like this hire though. Good job, Mr. Happy.

  9. Great move – exactly what should have happened.

    For those who were looking for a big name coach to be hired…… remember we had the number 1 scoring defense in the league this season so we don’t want alot of change, but rather continuity with some scheme and personnel refinement.

  10. Now lets add a DE, DT and LB.

  11. Dave Boling says:

    One of the tweeters asked me a good question: If Wash goes with Bradley, will Quinn bring Bryant Young (Fla, d-line coach) with him? Pretty amazing scenario there. It seems like Bryant and Norton both played for Pete at the Niners back in the mid-90s. Good lineage. Bryant was one of the real high energy, high-integrity guys in the game. There was nobody in the league that the Seahawks offensive line used to hold in higher regard than Young as a great challenge from a clean and sportsmanlike man. A real tribute.

  12. PugetHawk says:

    The speed in which they made this hire makes me think, there is no doubt that this was the right hire. Great move Pete!

  13. bird_spit says:

    Great move.

    I am so glad I’m already a hawks fan, otherwise I’d have envy.

    2013 season will be even more fun to watch.

  14. ChrisHolmes says:

    I like this move.

  15. PC and JS are nothing if not quick and decisive.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    I like the hire as well, but for those that have issues with zone coverages Seattle ran at time this season, get ready to keep complaining. This will not be a dramatic change in philosophy, although the coverages will likely become more complex.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Coverages regarding man and dropping players, etc…

  18. I love this hire. This is a ‘continuity’ move, not a change move. Part of the Kiffin/Carroll coaching family is back!

    Two of my favorite memories of watching Seahawks practices over the past seasons, and I’ve watched many…

    Watching Tom Cable coaching his O linemen over the past couple years was always great. He was right in their faces, talking to them and coaching them up hands-on all the way. Every guy listening to every word.

    … And watching Dan Quinn coaching our D linemen a few years ago. I never saw another Seahawks D line coach so active in working with his players to teach stunts and rush skills. He saved Red Bryant’s career, and perhaps Clemons’ too, and is the guy who built the D line we’ve seen Todd Wash coaching for the past two years. Love this guy.

  19. Duke, yes, If my memory isn’t failing me, I remember our DE dropping into coverage more in 2010 when Quinn coached the D line than I can remember other years.

  20. Dukeshire says:

    Stevo – For sure. Clem dropped quite a bit…

  21. OCHawkFan says:

    One of the things I like about this hire is Quinn’s knowledge of SEC draft prospects. Carroll drafted alot of steals in the later rounds because of his knowledge of PAC 12 players, I’m hoping we get the same benefit from Quinn now (especially given that D Line is our biggest need). This is a great hire! Go Hawks!

  22. FleaFlicker says:

    Dave, saw an ESPN one-liner come across my phone saying that Kam Chancellor underwent leg surgery. This a big deal?

  23. Quinn and Bradley look like the same guy. I’m looking forward to another team poaching him to be a head coach in 2014.

  24. Business as usual for this front office. Signed 10 players and hired a top Defensive Coordinator. What an amazing program these guys are building here.

  25. seatowntp says:

    It appears as though this organization does exceptional at anticipating and preparing for contingencies. Out of curiosity, sports talk radio fodder, I wonder who would be some of the candidates they would have on their short list IF Bevell were to jettison for another position.

  26. thursday says:

    Kam just tweeted a pic of his foot in a boot, but nothing on what the surgery was for. I didn’t even know he had some kind of injury…

  27. Southendzone says:

    Kam tweeted a pic of his right ankle / lower leg in a big boot. I don’t know anything of the injury.

    What’s up with Clem? Heard he was on the way to visit Dr Andrews regarding his knee. It seems a long time to wait to have the surgery. Especially given the injury was a ACL and torn meniscus. I heard that to repair a meniscus it’s better done soon, otherwise the option is to remove a portion of it (the torn part), this has a quicker recovery time but less functionality afterwards.

  28. Dave Boling says:

    FleaFlicker: I don’t think it’s a big deal. He was not mentioned when Pete went through the injuries, saying that Clemons was the only one who was going to be doing extensive rehab. I saw Chancellor himself tweet that he had gotten out of surgery. He didn’t elaborate on what kind of surgery. The last injury I saw for him on a report was his groin. And I hoped, for his sake, it wasn’t a groin surgery. Anyone who has ever had to get a shot for a pulled groin knows that you never report it a second time. But someone said that he also tweeted a photo of his foot in a boot. He was listed as having an ankle injury back in October, a quad in November, and then the groin in December. It’s strange that the players now tweet their own information to the public. I guess we don’t have to worry about Hippa violations.

  29. By the looks of things, based on how Quinn’s hiring took place, they probably already have a candidate ready to step in, should Bevell accept a job elsewhere. This FO means business.

  30. Dave,

    Are you a hawks fan?

  31. freedom_X says:

    Injuries were something I was thinking about when trying to understand Chancellor’s dropoff in performance from last year.

    I’m certain the front office has been preparing for the possibility that Bradley might leave for several months. There’s been talk since last season that Bradley would be potential head coach material.

  32. Dave Boling says:

    Audible: I don’t exactly qualify as a fan. Have watched since their inception and covered them since after the 1988 season.

  33. FleaFlicker says:

    Dave, appreciate the 411!

  34. FleaFlicker says:

    “I appreciate”

    Someday we’ll have an editing feature….

  35. Dave Boling says:

    Stevos, I think it’s great that you point out the d-line changes under Quinn, with Red and Clem specifically. I can’t remember if it was Gus or Dan who bumped Red outside, but both certainly had hands in making it work. All three of those bald-goateed guys — Bradley, Quinn and Wash — are high-energy and very positive, upbeat coaches.

  36. Bradley sure would have looked a lot smarter last week if he had Ndamukong Suh on his unit. If you do the math, he had ZERO players last week who could get consistent pressure on Matt Ryan (or anyone).

    He’s not a moron and he’s not perfect. All things equal, I’d rather have a dull doorknob like Bill Belichick than a “charasmatic” leader though.

    Will Quinn be better (or is he “smarter”)? I don’t know. Time will tell. I find Dave’s comment interesting earlier about Bradley getting the job over Quinn when Mora was here because, in. part, he was more “charasmatic” and won them over in the interview. In the meantime, at least pabs will be happy:)

    Gawd, I can’t wait for the rest of this worthless season to be over though. Even though it was technically good, I declare it worthless b/c we’re not playing and I fully know we should be for another 2 1/2 weeks! I’m not a loser that accepts (golly, gee, guys, it sure was a fun ride and if we finish 14-2 next year and lose right away, who cares, we still had a good season).

  37. freedom_X says:

    I feel this season is worth much more than the 7-9 and 5-11 seasons of the past four years. I appreciate it because I don’t take the progress that Seattle has made for granted.

  38. how is a season that provided this much entertainment and enjoyment worthless? I loved watching this team play this year.

    sometimes you’ve got to enjoy the journey too, esp if it’s heading in the right direction.

  39. raymaines says:

    The 36 seconds that will live in infamy! There are a few of us, me included, that just haven’t gotten over the defensive collapse that wasted the greatest 4th Qr. comeback in playoff history and don’t really plan to get over it any time soon either. Sigh.

    Heck yes! Get me a new DC. Get that Bradley bum outta here. The Mighty Quinn!

    PugetHawk says: The speed in which they made this hire makes me think, there is no doubt that this was the right hire.

    That’s pretty optimistic, and I sure hope you’re right. It could also mean it was the exact wrong hire. It was either bold and decisive or hasty and foolish, we’ll all know by this time next year.

  40. I don’t take it for granted either. However, Seahawk fans should know you don’t get many chances like this (you’re healthy, hot at the right time, etc.). I refuse to say “at least we don’t suck anymore” as being a moral victory. I want a higher standard and I’m happy we seem to finally have a regime that is going to get us there. But that doesn’t mean I need to be pleased when we lose a game I feel we should have won to cost us a chance to actually win a Super Bowl. In my world, I’d rather go 6-10 for 9 years and then win a Super Bowl in the 10th year than finish with a good record and make the play-offs for 10 years in a row and never winning it all. That’s just me. More power to the people who are okay with being good, but not ever good enough. In all sincerity, I’d rather be you because it’s more fun to be happy in life than mad.

  41. Dave Boling–Yeah, I heard Seattle was in love with Bryant Young and was going to draft him, but the Niners snatched him. I also heard they wanted to bring him in as a free agent, but couldnt get it done. Dont know if thats true, but I did hear (perhaps from you Trib guys) that he was thought very highly of by the Seahawks players and staff. It would be awesome to have him here if Wash bails.

    Bobbyk–I feel your pain, but this season was not worthless. A shame it ended the way it did, and needlessly, but there you go..

    1) Found our franchise qb, and perhaps the most exciting player in the NFL.

    2) The line improved. Well, it had to, didnt it?! But still…Ill take it.

    3) We found out Lane, Sweezy, Maxwell, and Irvin can play ball and will likely improve dramatically over the next few years.

    4) Darrel Bevell pulled head out of butt and/or Cable and Carrol let him throw the ball more as the season wore on. They found out how to maximize Wilsons scrambling ability etc.

    5) Sherman took a huge leap forward, and may be the top corner in the NFL. He’s certainly top 3, and has a higher ceiling than anyone near him–Tillman isnt fast enough to stay better than Sherman, and Revis is aging and coming off injury; Sherman is just getting going.

    6) Wagner proved a freaking revelation by the end of the year–and he’ll get better.

    7) Seattle learned to win close games, for the most part, and for the first time EVER, never lost a game by more than 7 points.

    8) Golden Tate is Taterhead no longer, and has proven to be a hell of a playmaker. He too should continue to improve.

    9) Rice made it through the season basically intact for only the second time ever. And he looked like a top WR when given opportunities. That bodes well for the next few years.

    10) Robert Turbin is a great change of pace back, and an injury replacement for Lynch at the same time. A total steal in the draft–this guy could rush for 1300 yards and catch 500 yards easy for a bunch of teams.

    11) We won a playoff game on the road for the first time since 1983, even when we didnt play at our best and made mistakes. We also came back from 14 down to win by 10.

    Thats a buttload of progress in one year. Any way you slice it, thats success.

  42. pdway – For me, the REST of this season is “WORTHLESS” unless you care about one of these last 4 teams. That’s why I want this “worthless” season over! Good for you to want to watch the Whiners some more. Again, it’s more fun to be happy than mad and I envy you.

  43. I’m sure Dan Marino thought he was a winner after his second season, too. So much to look forward to that was “gurananteed.”

  44. Bobbyk–Unlike Miami, we do not have an aging coach who stopped innovating, and if Carrol and his staff ever do, they wont stay on more than 10 years after they should have been fired. They will get fired promptly. We also have a team owner willing to spend money to sign good players and coaches, moreso than Miami in Marino’s days. Also, Seattle isnt expecting Wilson to win a Super Bowl with no defense and no running back.

    Im not picking on you, and Im as pissed and bummed as you. But its not healthy to stay that way and Im clawing my way back to an even-keel. Well, Im faking it till I make it anyhow…

  45. I agree, Im not watching the rest of the season. Its over as far as Im concerned and I cant wait till FA and the draft…

  46. Are you kidding me about Shula being an old coach (and we have a “young” coach) in the second year of Marino? Shula was years younger at that time than Mr. Happy is now.

  47. Bobbyk–Younger in years, but the guy had settled on his way of doing things, and it didnt appear to involve changing or adapting. You cant deny he deserved firing for years before the ax finally fell, just like Tom Landry and others…

    Carrol has the energy and stamina of a coach in his 30′s, and he still qualifies as a risk-taker and an innovator, at least in my mind, and he has shown himself willing to adapt “his” schemes to work with the ideas of bright assistant coaches, like Bradley, Cable, and Bevell. You cant say the same for Shula.

    I dont know why Im arguing with you, except your where I was a few days ago and it sucks. Trying to help I guess. Either that or Im just a contrary bastard as some have accused…

  48. No, I didnt mean Shula was old and set in his ways in Marino’s second year, but he got there pretty quick. By the late eighties the guy was done, and they wasted too many of Marino’s years with him as coach.

  49. yakimahawk says:

    The only way any player, coach or fan feels “fufilled and happy” at the end of the year is if they win the Super Bowl! 31 teams will be in tears this year and only one will have a smile…It is time we win the big one.

  50. @bobby – i hear ya, and no, I’m not in a big hurry to watch the Niners, and their whiny blowhard coach, again. For the first time in a long time, i’m not at all excited to watch the divisional finals (usually the best football weekend of the year), b/c I’m still stinging from the loss, and the coulda/shoulda been us feelings too. I guess I’m just thinking about all the fun Sundays of the past 4 months, it’s been awhile since I’ve had so many fun moments and so many extraordinary players to cheer for in a Seahawks season.

  51. freedom_X says:

    According to Sando, Bradley might be interested in hiring Todd Wash, the D-line coach and close friend, to Jacksonville. If that happened, I assume Wash would get more responsibility. Quinn would offer insurance in that case as Sando points out.

    It’s interesting that despite the hype and success of the 49ers, none of their assistants seem to be getting much play for other jobs. Whereas Seattle has already had one coach pick up a HC job, and least one more still in play. I don’t think any of the lower assistants for SF have gotten coordinator jobs either.

    I would have thought more of their coaches would have drawn serious interest given their success.

  52. Shula would have better coach (and more “energized”) if they had had better drafts in the mid/late 80s (theirs sucked). I’m pretty sure. Just like Pete Carroll would be a worse coach today had they not drafted Sherman last year or had drafted Tebow instead of ET in ’10. Call me crazy, but that’s what I think.

    And, yes, I am still greiving (or grieving?). I am angry. I’m still in one of the stages of depression or denial? As stated before, I wish I could be happy about losing like some…

  53. freedom_X says:

    I’m not happy about losing. But, I’m looking forward to the future. The past is the past and nothing will change it.

    For me, the interest is now in trying to think of ways to move forward. But what makes me happy is that it’s so much easier to see a better future for the team than it has been for 4 years. Think about where we were this time in 2009 – that’s the contrast that cheers me up.

    Dwelling on past mistakes is interesting discussion, but for me, isn’t worth ignoring a promising future, and neglecting the many good things that happened this year.

    If only the end result matters, then no modern pro sports franchise can make a fan happy. Even the greatest modern teams only win the title a couple times a decade. Fans of those teams shouldn’t be unhappy the rest of the time, especially if the team is a winning one in the “off years.”

  54. raymaines says:

    Bobby: It’s GRIE…

  55. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    Count me among those who really likes everything about the Quinn hire.

    Wasted no time. Decisive. Let’s everyone in the organization know: We have had a plan in place for this possibility all along. And no big deal.

    I also really like that we hired a D-line coach for three primary reasons:

    1. PC’s philosophy is oriented around a) stopping the run and b) not giving up an explosive passing play more so than any other priorities.

    And PC is arguably more of a guru with the secondary than with the D line. Red Bryant was an experiment. The role of Leo has been an evolving thing, as indicated by wishful thinking that a player like Irvin can really fill that role, rather than KNOWING whether he can.

    With all of our difficulties generating pass rush when we need it, it’s not hard to argue that PC needs additional insight into our D Line.

    2. Continuity and prior history. This doesn’t require much commment.

    3. I think PC sometimes misunderstands what can realistically be expected from your D Line and what is wishful thinking.

    A D Line coach as our DC can perhaps be more helpful in not devising alignments that set up the D Line and secondary up to fail.

    After the loss last Sunday, we heard PC talk openly in his final press conference about our need for more pass rush. All of which is true, and no one can argue with.

    But pass rush had little to do with the final two plays. The ball was out of Ryan’s hands in less than two seconds.

    No D Line rushing only four should be expected to get to the QB in less than two seconds from the snap. That expectation may come into play if there is a blitzer who starts within less than five yards from the line of scrimmage and can successfully shoot a gap that the D Line creates.

    What CAN and SHOULD be expected is that your scheme will force the QB to go through more than one progression and not find an easy place to throw the ball within those first two seconds, thus giving your pass rush or blitz time to get home or force a bad throw into a tight window.

    If Quinn can set realistic expectations about what an effective pass rush can be expected to accomplish and what it cannot, something I don’t think PC and Bradley properly accounted for on third down this year, we’ll be far ahead of where we were last season.

  56. Dave Boling – great hearing you chiming in here today. Thanks. Its already an interesting offseason.

  57. NOTHING matters until we win it ALL. There’s no difference between the 16-0 Pats or the 0-16 Lions of a few years ago… IMO.

  58. SaigonSun says:

    Tards hired Ariens. I guess Bevell is staying

  59. montanamike2 says:

    Good 11 points STTBM. I wonder if Pete was actually looking to “upgrade”
    I love the hire.

  60. montanamike2 says:

    I don’t think Bevell will be going anywhere soon. I think we keep him at any cost.

  61. SaigonSun says:

    I’ve heard RW wants Bevell to stay so, P’m happy he is staying.

  62. bbnate420 says:

    Bevell is staying.

    Dave, do you have any thoughts on switching Kam to WLB and either playing Guy at SS or drafting someone to play SS in this draft? Thanks for your comments BTW. It was talked about a little last off-season after Kam had come of a pro bowl year. I believe even a little before the talk of drafting Barron.

    You have to keep a balance as a fan IMO. Ultimately, I am not totally satisfied with anything but a SB win for every season. But you have to keep some perspective as well. SB or bust will leave you disappointed the vast majority of the time. The Atl game was there for the taking and it hurts, but it’s over. Time to move on IMO. I think this season was a giant success given the goals going into it. They found a franchise QB, it seems, made the playoffs, and gained a lot of valuable experience for a young team. I only say it seems with regard to RW because he’s only played one year. I fully expect him to continue to be dynamic. Marc Bulger looked like a franchise QB after a few seasons. I know one thing for sure. Watching games this year was a hell of a lot more entertaining than watching the Hawks get waxed in 2009 or even the games last season.

  63. princeaden says:

    BobbyK, as much as this moment in time stings, I have to disagree with you. The future is as promising as any team in the NFL (next 3 weeks notwithstanding) and I feel considerably better right now than I did at this time in 2010 when Mora and staff were fired and we were looking at an aged roster and no one to fix it. We are literally on the cusp of a good long run at what could be a great dynasty. Feel good, be happy. :)

  64. bbnate420 says:

    Oh how things change. It’s unbelievable how much opinion of Bevell has shifted on this blog from following the Mia loss until now.

  65. With the new CBA (which hardly anyone seems to understand)… it’s much harder to have a “dynasty” these days. Not with the change in contracts (which nobody wants to consider from the last CBA).

    Of course the future is “promising.” This team is in great shape. I feel better today than last year or the year before…

    I’m pretty sure the loss a few days ago sucks (more than most want to admit since they love their HappyLand or whatever the heck brings them there). Besides SB XL, I can’t think of a time in our history that the Lombardi was there for our taking and yet some fans are jacked about it or are too dumb to know/realize how close we really were to something we’ve never accomplished in decades of being fans… but, hey, at least we don’t suck… lol.

  66. freedom_X says:

    If you disguise your coverages well, you can thwart a QB who is getting rid of the ball quickly. In fact, it’s a great way to do so if you don’t have a pass rush, because you’re trying to make the QB make a mistake targeting the ball with such a quick decision.

    If you go man-to-man without a good rush, then the QB takes his time until the coverage breaks down. Many of Seattle’s pass coverage concepts have been around effectively disguising them and tricking QB’s into bad throws. It just didn’t work against Atlanta in the last series.

  67. Ewalters7354 says:

    Sando is saying Bevell has gotten a raise.

  68. bbnate420 says:

    It’s not about being dumb. It’s about accepting reality and not basing your self-esteem on the outcome of Hawks games.

  69. freedom_X says:

    BobbyK, if you really equate a 16-0 teams and a 0-16 team as the same, and fans should feel the same about them – then there’s nothing more I can say. Just two completely disparate viewpoints. Though I think my view is pretty valid and I’m not living in “HappyLand” anymore than you are living in “DepressionVille.”

    If a fan can maintain the same interest in a 0-16 team as a 16-0 team, year after year, with it all being absolved by 1 title win – then I at last see how the Cubs and Bengals stay in business. They just have to say “next year could be the title year!” No matter how pathetic they are. A fan might be unhappy, but they’re still interested, and that’s what keeps them in business.

  70. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    bbNate,

    The early criticism of Bevell was not misplaced. We could all see an offense and young QB held in check, coupled with predicable and easy to defend playcalling.

    But the fact is that he DID evolve. It may have been later and slower than we would have liked, but the outcome is something that is special. And powerful. And it’s an offense that had remained true to its original principles and is fundamentally sound.

    The Bears game was clearly a watershed and seminal moment for PC and Bevell. And I really don’t care if the situation forced it on them and they were dragged kicking and screaming. They’re there now. And they’ve embraced it.

    What happened prior to all of that is now irrelevant to what we can expect of the Bevell / Cable / PC offense going forward.

  71. freedom – you and I can agree to disagree (although I’m not sure how the hell the Bengals have ever won it all).

  72. Actually, my self-esteem is based on my family, health, world happiness… If any moron thinks I’d trade the health of one of my kids for a Super Bowl title, then they are the ones with the stupidity problems.

    However, I *LOVE* the Seahawks more than any ***NON-IMPORTANT*** thing in life… and, yes, (my) happiness is somewhat equated on that… and I’ve made this clear to my family (who sometimes wonders:). lol

    If you’re not from around here, you’re unfamiliar with the death of my Mom and how I was (positively) affected by the Seahawks when I was a teen… (so go to heck if you’re a self-righteous jerk) who thinks I have ***priority*** problems.

  73. freedom_X says:

    Actually, about the Bengals, that would be the point. They’ve never won anything, but they *could* win the title next year. As long as winning the title is a possibility, then I guess a fan could stick with them no matter how putrid they are, because in the end, a 16-0 and 0-16 team are the same if they don’t win the championship.

    Of course, I’m kind of trumping that Bengal case up because part of the reason they’re a viable team is due to revenue sharing. That keeps them afloat, whereas the Cubs really seem to draw no matter how bad they are. I just disdain Mike Brown enormously. :)

    I’m not really super serious about the whole thing. I just don’t see why I would be mocked (“Happyland”) about the future, and why the journey has no value compared to the destination.

  74. Who cares about the Cubs? Do YOU remember them winning a title? I don’t.

  75. DanielleMND says:

    Glad we’re keeping Bevell. Continuity will help RW continue to develop.

  76. bbnate420 says:

    Seventies, I would disagree that it’s all as clear as you say. You have your opinion, I have mine. I wasn’t even suggesting necessarily that some of the criticism wasn’t valid. It just is amazing to me how much the impression of him has changed in such a short time. I would bet he didn’t go from being a retard to a genius in 10 weeks. An over exaggeration, but you should get the point. It’s easy to be right in hind sight. Not so easy when you have to make the decisions in real time. If he had overloaded RW, then people here would probably be blaming him for throwing too much at the rookie. I think they probably did hold back a little too much at least with RW because it’s hard to fathom a rookie QB that can learn at the pace he did last year. Maybe he gave opened the offense to RW at just the right pace. We will never know for sure. It happened the way it did, and we can’t replay it.

  77. princeaden says:

    Thank you Danielle for getting back to the subject at hand or at least reasonably close.

  78. bbnate420 says:

    BTW, Seventies, I agree with the overall tone of your post.

    BobbyK, none of what I posted was meant to be a personal jab at you. I take great joy in the Hawks too, but it doesn’t make me an idiot if I don’t seem as upset as you that they didn’t win the SB this year. I’m not sure why, but it seems to me you’re a little more emotional than usually tonight. I could be totally off base.

  79. bbnate420: “Oh how things change. It’s unbelievable how much opinion of Bevell has shifted on this blog from following the Mia loss until now.”

    It takes a big man to say that, Nate. Kudos to you.

  80. bbnate420 says:

    The topic is actually Dan Quinn, but that is far gone. I don’t care if the thread meanders personally. It’s still about the Hawks.

  81. nate – I am very “hormonal” tonight (yesterday, tomorrow, a few days ago, a week or two from now…)… if that makes any sense… I’m still in the denial stage or whatever and am pissed I feel “we” lost to an inferior team…

    I

    AM

    SO

    MAD!!!

    Still!!!

  82. wait, I thought you said how much your opinion changed. d’OH. Well, you’re a big man anyhow.

    I thought it was pretty interesting how, among some here, Gus Bradley was a genius after every game except the last ones. Then he was a totally incompetent idiot. (Never mind that he had some rookies and inexperienced players failing to execute the plays he called, and getting beaten by some of the best receivers in the NFL). To some, the losing coach is always a totally incompetent idiot. lol.)

  83. Bobby – take your PMS meds. and have a good night bro.

  84. Especially when I think we should have won this weekend and next…

  85. Stevos – You’re the only guy on this blog I know who could turn a 93-0 loss into a positive. I want the meds you’re on, actually.

  86. lol, Bobby!

    Why I’m not P.O.’d:

    The Seahawks of 2012 were far better than the Seahawks of 2011, but they weren’t the best team in the league. They took it as far as they could; farther than any of us believed they could at the outset of the season. This is why I’m happy. So they didn’t reach the top of the mountain yet? okay. They didn’t become the best of 32 teams yet? No, they haven’t. Yet. This is exactly what is exciting about sports: Its all about being better for the next game. Its all about winning the next game.

    By the end of that Atlanta game, they weren’t ready to go win next week. Our guys were about shot by the end of that game. They were nealry toast by the end of the Redskins game, actually. No Clem. Red and Kam with broken wheels. Irvin looking tired-out and in need of rehab. Wagner getting schooled by veteran receivers. They did their best, but they were done for this year. Time to hang up the cleats for now.

    And time for us all to give them a big 12th Man round of applause. I’m entirely satisfied with how far they came.

    I was disappointed in the loss, sure. But I’m happy with my team. And, its going to be a kick-ass offseason.

  87. SeahawkFan12 says:

    Someone needs t-h-e-r-a-p-y…

  88. SeahawkFan12 says:

    LOL…I mena that in the most caring way!

  89. raymaines says:

    I’m NOT entirely satisfied with how far they came. I’m getting over it, and I acknowledge the team was beat up and would have probably lost to SF next Sunday, but Damn, Damn, Damn!!! 36 seconds. Arggggg!

  90. Hey Bobby, I feel your pain brother. As I’ve grown older, I try not to live and die with Seattle teams so much, because it is an exasperating and soul threatening exercise sometimes. I remember how heartbroken I felt when we lost XL. And angry too, because I felt the refs robbed us of a fair chance to compete and win the game.
    But this past year was different. I loved Pete’s kool aid and guzzled it up from the beginning. Loved everything RW stood for and relished his improvement and evolution into a clutch performer and leader throughout this whole season. As they were blowing teams out, I did let the talking heads convince me that we were the team of destiny this year and maybe, just maybe RW could hold the Lombardi trophy high above his head and smile in disbelief like the time Tom Brady won his first one. But a 20-0 hole is too big to overcome in the playoffs, especially on the road. All of the energy is spent coming back from the deficit, and then when the moment of truth comes that decides the game, we are emotionally drained. I still am in disbelief and grieving the loss, but I also think back to this time last year and I am amazed at how far we’ve come. We’ve come a looooong way, baby.
    Christmas Eve 2011, we lost by 2 pts at home to the Niners, and TJack’s fumble sealed the defeat, dashing our longshot playoff hopes and dreams. Fast forward to 12/23/2012, and we all know what the hell happened this year. Pounded those whiners by 29 pts and made a mockery of them. RW outplayed Kap and made him look like the rookie.
    Who’s got it better than us? Nobody. Remember this time last year, we had Tarvaris Jackson at QB, man. He’s a tough SOB, but he wasn’t going to take us to the next level. Could you imagine going against Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers with TJack and feeling good about your chances? Now we have DangeRuss, and he can hold his own against just about anyone. When we made the Super Bowl run in 2005, we had lost at home to the Rams in the playoffs the previous year. I’m sure the sting from that loss and the lessons they learned helped them get to the pinnacle. We will be bringing back the same core group, and if anything the roster will be upgraded in key positions. The sky is the limit, and I have no doubt they will capitalize on their window of opportunity. Trust in Russell Wilson, and enjoy the ride.
    We have the hardest working, most relentless, tireless, gym rat, midnight oil burning, all 22 cut up studying, singular visioned QB as our unquestioned leader. What he wants more than anything is to win the Super Bowl, so he will lead us to the Super Bowl and will us to a win. Don’t know if it will be next year or the year after, but it’s going to happen. So proud of this team, and looking forward to more adventures and entertaining thrills a minute next year. And I’m glad I have all you fellow Seahawk fan brothers to enjoy the wins and commiserate losses with.

  91. bbnate420 says:

    Stevos, I was wondering after the first post. I try to stay as even keeled as I can. I was never on the Bevell is a moron train, and I’m not necessarily on the Bevell is a genius train either. I am/was impressed with the progress the offense made the second half of the season. It seems that at least a decent part of the credit should go to Bevell.

    BobbyK, no worries. Being hormonal is acceptable. Mr. Happy would be proud. I was just making an observation. Passion is a good thing here IMO. I understand where you’re coming from, although I’ve never posted here hormonally or under the influence of intoxicants myself. ;-) Where’s GeorgiaHawk?

    CCVI, I totally hear you about SB XL. It was much harder to swallow when we were robbed by the refs of any chance of winning the game. It would’ve been easier personally, I think, if the Stealers had just outplayed us. Harder to feel cheated. Now that loss was bitter. I don’t think about it much now, it’s not going to change, but it was a tough pill to swallow for awhile.

  92. I have to chime in on Bevell. I’m all about moving on and focusing on next season and I wish it was with a different Offensive Coordinator. I know he did call some games well, but look at the Miami and Atlanta games early on. He has real issues with going to the well too many times in the run game. I think next year defenses will only be challenged not by the play-calling, but only by the play-making of our best players– in particular R-Dub’s talent. I sure with the Cards had picked Bevell off so that we could all move on to some better play-calling.

  93. “wish” not with. Sorry about the typo, just a little upset we’re stuck with this guy.

  94. I would have loved the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl this year, but I really prefer that they lost to Atlanta than (1) losing to the Niners; or (2) losing in the Super Bowl.

    They may be considered an elite team by many, but until they get a consistent pass rush (which disappeared when Clem got hurt), they aren’t quite there IMO. I’m hoping when they do return to the Super Bowl, they’ll be a dominant team and I won’t have to worry about a devastating loss. I don’t want the Seahawks to be like the Bills or Vikings.

    If Schneider keeps drafting well, I’m pretty certain the Seahawks will win a Super Bowl in the next few years. RW is going to be an elite QB, if he isn’t already, and that itself will keep the Seahawks in the mix.

  95. I am enthused about the new defensive coordinator. I am still bummed about the loss, but as others have said it would be worse to have been cheated or have controversy. And it would be worse losing to S.F. Or losing another Super Bowl (really lame silver lining hunting there). But in our case last Sunday, we just got straight up beaten…some of it, like the end part, was very familiar and much by our own hand…which is why I am enthused about a new defensive coordinator (come full circle there). Our defense had a habit of breaking down, due to scheme, at the most inopportune times in close games (of which there were plenty) this year. I am hopeful a new defensive coordinator, and of course some important reinforcements in the way of new players in key spots, can correct that problem.

  96. bbnate420 says:

    Vegas, honestly I think we beat ourselves versus Atl. That said, we DID beat ourselves. Can’t blame anyone else. Hopefully everyone around come playoff time 2013/2014 will have learned from it. I agree with Duke that Carroll made some bad situational decisions. It’s over with. I just hope he learns and does better next time. Those decisions irk me a lot more than the final Atl drive personally.

  97. bbnate420 says:

    I do question some of the obvious running plays in running situations sometimes, but we should remember that our o-line and The Beast get stronger with more carries. They wear a defense down. You can’t just push the running game aside because we aren’t getting big gains in the first half. There have been numerous games where the running game broke out in the 2nd half to to wear on the defense, and perhaps adjustments as well. Mia would be one obvious exception. Their d-line just manhandled our o-line.

  98. bbnate420 says:

    *due to

    time for bed

  99. bigmike04 says:

    People, People… Quit with the pointing fingers on who to blame for lost against Facolns, when the blames goes all around..

    Pete Carroll: Supose to be good at clock managing yet on the last drive to score the TD, was poor clock managing as could have waste few more seconds off clock..

    Offensive: Not getting a good enough drive to score any points in first 2 quaters..

    Gus Bradley: Getting man handles on the run by Atlanta the whole game as their RB had a field day with our Defensive..

    Thought I do have a question who will Gus Bradley be bring over with him to Jacksoville beside Walsh, Any other coaches??

  100. SeventiesHawksFan says:

    What is this utter nonsense that the Seahawks would have lost to SF and weren’t the best team. And they were so ‘beaten up’?

    You mean the same team that put together the most impressive playoff comeback in a generation?

    Our coaching wasn’t good enough. The players were fine. And with better game management by our coaches we would have won easily last week. And had no problems this week either.

    We lost because of poor coaching last week. Those last two passes by Ryan were EASY to defend. Especially the Gonzalez catch, where he sprints in a straight line and turns around and the ball is right there. Any decent college team can cover that route.

    My biggest concern about this team right now is that they will use the pass rush (a legit problem no doubt) to paper over the real reason they lost. Their coaches lost the game. It’s their job to overcome the mistakes the players may have made, none of which were fatal or determined the outcome.

    What was really beat up after last Sunday was an end of game defensive philosophy. Putting good players in very bad positions that are destined to FAIL. And no matter who’s on the field at the time.

    That zone is riddled with holes. And its easy to create them at the place of an offensive coordinator’s choosing.

    That team can win any game already. It’s just up to their brain trust not screw it up. Which is exactly what just happened.

  101. surelyyoujest says:

    “More power to the people who are okay with being good, but not ever good enough.”

    BobbyK, with all due respect, this is 100% drivel. Stop projecting on us what you feel. I doubt anyone here is content with losing, or being good enough. What most seem to be saying is they are counting their blessings that the franchise in such good shape, but from a leadership and personnel perspective. If the only way you can enjoy ANYTHING is to win the SB, then I feel very, very sorry for you. I know people like that and they are not fun to be around.

    I’m not telling you what you should be, or do. Just stop trying to paraphrase how others are choosing to view the world, and making off-handed comments that imply they are wrong in that. Take a lesson from Russell Wilson. He’s not content, but exciting about what’s to come. Ain’t a damn thing wrong with that!

  102. bbnate420 says:

    bigmike, the LEAST of PC’s issues was scoring when they did on the last drive! The Hawks needed a TD and an extra point to take the lead. You have to take it when you can get it. You can’t assume you will definitely get a TD. A little later before the final bell would’ve been better, but they could’ve assed themselves out of a TD too.

  103. bbnate420 says:

    Easy and covering Tony Gonzalez together is an effing oxymoron! He’s a first ballot HOF player for a reason. I’d like to see anyone here do better. I get your point, but don’t forget to give some credit to the other team. Gonzalez may be the best TE of all time.

  104. bbnate420 says:

    Saying that the Hawks would’ve beat the Whiners is like saying that I would’ve had my way with Kate Upton’s huge rack given the chance. Both could be true, but neither is going to happen in 2013.

  105. bbnate420 says:

    *in the 2013 playoffs, I should say.

  106. bbnate420 says:

    It was just a joke, prob a bad one, in case anyone wants to flip their wig.

  107. montanamike2 says:

    Good morning, i agree that we have a bit of a coaching problem which is why i think Pete actually wanted to replace the DC. It’s true that Tony Gonzoles is a nightmare to cover, i remember the fits he’d give me back in KC during our AFC time. It’s also true that we are in decent shape offensibly but defensively we were pretty banged up and bad playcalling did burn us.
    We have a rookie qb who scares the crap out of every DC in the NFL, i’m not happy about the loss but am gratefull we came back in the 2nd half. We couldn’t do that on a regular basis before RW and 35-0 or 40-0
    would definitely be a bummer. If Justin Smith retires or gets injured again they aren’t nearly as effective and he’s getting on in years.
    If we keep following Pete’s vision we can have many trophies.
    I understand Bobby’s unhappiness because when i got out of the army my wife took off with her church’s assistant pasteur while i was up in logging camp sending her all my money. When i got home and laid on the couch for 6 weeks in utter depression, i became a Sonics fan. When they were stolen a few years back i felt my world came apart. I still get too emotionally involved with a hawks loss but we have come so far in just 2 years it’s absolutely unbelievable. I got my Sherman #25 jersey yesterday and hope we tweak the team some more this offseason.

  108. ChrisHolmes says:

    “I find Dave’s comment interesting earlier about Bradley getting the job over Quinn when Mora was here because, in. part, he was more “charasmatic” and won them over in the interview.”

    I was also intrigued by that comment. It’s a good reminder that human beings – as individuals – often value different traits. Some people are more easily swayed by charisma vs. substance.

    Mora Jr. has always seemed to me to be a guy who wasn’t particularly smart, and so I don’t think he values intelligence nearly as much as charisma.

  109. HawkfaninMT says:

    I was on “Let Bevell Walk Train” back in the first half of the season. I am not now and I was wrong! I am so glad that I was wrong!

    O in FA, D in the Draft! That is my motto for this offseason.

  110. Bradley deserves better from Seattle fans. He will be missed, hes a good dude and a smart football mind. I think he’s gonna be a great HC.

    However, we may just be better off with Quinn as DC, since he knows Carrols scheme and doesnt come from a Tampa 2 background. As I said, now Carrol can get back to the Defensive Scheme he knows and loves–the 4-3 Under. Sounds like its a lot more complicated, and that could be a very good thing. Seattle tried too much with the rookies early in the year, then got too vanilla at times. Will be nice if we can run a defense that has lots of wrinkles when needed without mental mistakes.

    I think this is gonna be a good thing for Seattle. And Im thilled we have Bevell coming back. Yes, thats right. It appears I was wr-wr-wr-wr…er, MISTAKEN!

    I am Thrilled to have Bevell back for a few years. There, I said it twice. Now lets all hope he doesnt get all conservative again.

  111. Smart ownership and management on this team. Once we lost Bradley, keeping Bevell was even more of a priority, and so they, as they usually do in this regime, took care of business.

    Not a bad decision for Bevell either. He’ll get to keep working w/an ascending QB and a team on the rise, if things keep going well for the Hawks over the next couple years, he’ll get head coaching opportunities down the road.

  112. interesting speculation from pft.com: “The biggest question facing Bradley’s new team may be whether it has a quarterback who can run that explosive offense. Although new Jaguars G.M. David Caldwell has slammed the door on bringing in Tim Tebow, Bradley did not close the door on trading for Seahawks quarterback Matt Flynn, saying only that he can’t talk about it now while Flynn is with the Seahawks.”

    Jags need a QB as much as anyone, and Bradley has been able to see Flynn all year. Might give us a decent barometer on Flynn’s trade value.

  113. bulldog80 says:

    Bobby, I couldn’t agree with you more. I feel the same way. I am as pissed today as I was Sunday. Wasted an opportunity that doesn’t come along very often. They squandered every chance to beat the snot out of a crappy Atlanta team.

    As far as Bradely goes, any D coordinator that continually rushes 3 on 3rd and longs(includung a 3rd and 14 in that game) sucks ass as far as I’m concerned and I’m happy to see him gone.

  114. First off – Atlanta wasn’t a crappy team, they are the #1 seed – you can complain all you want but they are a decent team. Better than Seattle? Well that is up to debate, but they were better than us on Sunday.

    2nd: There were ZERO guarantees that we would have beat SF this weekend. Yes the possibility is there, but you saw how well we performed with out Clem – Same can be said for them and Smith.

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