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Morning links: Edwards makes statement with play

Post by Eric Williams on Aug. 16, 2012 at 7:33 am with 67 Comments »
August 16, 2012 9:14 am
Tennessee Titans Seattle Seahawks Braylon Edwards (17) carries the ball as Tennessee Titans Chris Hawkins (35) looks on in the second half of an NFL football preseason game, Saturday, Aug. 11, 2012, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Stephen Brashear)

In my story today, one of the most competitive battles at camp is at a stacked wide receiver position, and who will ultimately win out between players like Terrell Owens, Ben Obomanu, Deon Butler, Braylon Edwards, Ricardo Lockette and Kris Durham.

And so far Edwards has made a statement with his play in practice and in games, creating explosive plays and at 6-3 and 214 pounds, giving Seattle a physical presence on the perimeter of the defense.

Edwards says the intense competition has kept him on his toes.

“It definitely drives me,” Edwards said. “We definitely have some guys that are notable, as well as guys that are out here working hard and making plays. So you definitely want to be at the top of your game every practice because you don’t get many opportunities. So when you get them, you’ve got to make them count.”

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com writes that so far second round draft pick linebacker Bobby Wagner is playing up to his potential.

Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times says that Pete Carroll knew at USC that Richard Sherman was a perfect cornerback for his system, and now he finally gets a chance to see it work in Seattle.

ESPN’s Mike Sando looks back to this offseason and comments from Miami coach Joe Philbin in reviewing why Matt Flynn chose Seattle instead of the Dolphins.

First reported by Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports, Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com and Albert Breer of the NFL Network are now both reporting that Tarvaris Jackson is on the trading block.

Brock Huard and Mike Salk of ESPN 710 Seattle talk with Florio about his report in this audio link. It also includes a written wrap-up of their conversation by Michael Simeona.

Jim Moore of ESPN 710 Seattle writes that although he’s not a big fan of Jackson, he does not believe the incumbent quarterback is getting a fair shot in the quarterback competition.

Mike Kurtz and Tom Gower of Football Outsiders take the over of 7.0 games and the Seattle Seahawks.

John Breech of CBS Sports takes a shot at the projected 53-man roster for the Seahawks. There’s a couple changes I would make, but I think it looks pretty close to what might happen in September.

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  1. I don’t envy Petey having to make the decisions about the WR’s.

  2. FleaFlicker says:

    Eric, you’ve previously said that we’d keep either Edwards or Owens, but not both. Could you share your logic behind that? We seem to have a good track record with “re-treads”. Don’t see why we wouldn’t have room for two.

  3. Everybody assumes that Joe Philbin wasn’t that impressed with Flynn, but perhaps Flynn wasn’t all that impressed with Philbin. I’m sure Pete Carroll is a far better recruiter than Joe Philbin.

  4. FleaFlicker…One of those receivers would need to contribute on special teams…can you picture TO’s reaction when they tell him he’s our new gunner? LOL

  5. Good article on Edwards. I’m growing to like this player, and his bad year last year may have been simply due to injury. I’d like to see Edwards and T.O. both make the team.

  6. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’d have to guess Flynn is impressed with Philbin. I can’t see why he wouldn’t. I still believe Flynn turned down Miami because that organization flat out sucks, starting with Ross the owner and Ireland as GM. It’s the worst kept secret in the league that veteran FAs do not want to go there. Flynn is smart enough to look at that situation and know it was a career ender.

  7. Pretty good roster analysis by CBS sports. Not as good as an Eric Willliams roster piece, but good.

    Guys I see as competing for the final roster spots:
    TE McCoy or Morrah? (or keep 4 TE?)
    CBs Adams or Maxwell?
    DL Scruggs or Allen?
    WR Obomanu or Butler or Lockette?
    OT Omiyale or Barron?

  8. RDPoulsbo says:

    Agree with Audible. This is the same reason why Obo will make the team, that is unless you want to see more of those punt returns going for touchdowns. If you have to, think of him as a ST specialist who can come in and play WR should injuries occur.

  9. RDPoulsbo, you are right. I was just taking a shot at Philbin, but the chances are, Flynn was impressed with him, just didn’t like the situation. We’ll never know the truth — until Flynn publishes his memoir in 2017: “Glory Days: How I led the Seahawks to Four Super Bowl Titles in Five Years.”

  10. In hindsight, Flynn choosing Seattle over Miami looks easy: more money and a defense that will win most of the games for him.

    I don’t envy anyone in Miami.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    WR is “stacked”? Crowded perhaps, but this isn’t the more talented group in the league. I actually think the decisions will be fairly easy, compared to others. Behind Rice, Baldwin, and Tate, IMO, you’ll have Braylon, Obo, and T.O. (presuming he has anything left). If they keep 7, that’s where it will become interesting, between Lockette and Butler. And right now, I’d guess Butler is ahead there. But, we’ll see.

  12. The WRs making the roster is a tough one. There are guys we WANT to win a spot. The only true lock in my eyes, based on production with the Seahawks is Baldwin. Everyone else you can make a case for or against.
    Can Rice stay healthy?
    Will Tate actually mature, learn and produce?
    Owens? I don’t like him. Can he be a game changer for us? Ugh.
    The youngsters? They better show up in a big way if they are going to make this roster.
    Obo & Butler? solid but unspectacular.
    Edwards? Trending upwards.

    My biased(against T.O.), early guess is Baldwin, Rice & Edwards as your starters with Butler, Obo & Tate filling out the “6″. Owens in my mind would be insurance for Rice or others getting hurt as the 7th guy.

  13. bbnate420 says:

    Eric or Dave, sorry if this has been answered before, but do either of you know whether or not Lockette or Durham are PS eligible? I think Lockette is and Durham is not, but I am not sure.

    Posted this on the last thread, but it applies here as well:

    The more I think about it, the more I am in favor of keeping both Edwards and TO. Rice is about to turn 26, Baldwin is about to turn 24, and Tate just turned 24. The weird thing is that Lockette is actually older than all 3, at 26 already. Didn’t realize that until recently. That’s 3 fairly young receivers. Plus, Edwards isn’t exactly ancient at 29. Hope we see TO in at least the final 2 preseason games. TO and Edwards also provide the size missing with BMW gone and if Rice is injured again. Also, WR seems to be the area that will receive the most attention in the offseason, depending on what happens with the QBs.

  14. Soggybuc says:

    What I’ve said all along is that Flynn chose Seattle. you still that chip on the shoulder that no one wants to play there. that may have been true in years past but the Hawks are team that guys want to join now.

  15. RDPoulsbo says:

    Here’s the rules for practice squad eligibility:

    Eligibility for the practice squad is limited to players who do not have an accrued season in the NFL, or were on an active list (53-man roster) for fewer than nine games during their only accrued seasons. Players that have served two seasons on a practice squad are eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player’s employment.

    Durham was on the 53 man roster for a total of 6 games before going on the IR. Lockette was active for 2 games. That should mean both are still eligible. Durham should have gotten credit for 1 accrued season last year, it was his only one.

  16. Too often we worry about the bubble players, such as “will it be Butler or Obo?” But the team’s success is highly dependent on how the top three WRs perform. Granted, if there’s an injury to the top three, we want the No. 4 guy to perform well, but in general, it’s better to have two great WRs and four mediocre players than six good WRs. (It’s better to have Tom Brady and Zsa Zsa Gabor than Flynn and Wilson.) I’d trade all four of our top WRs for Larry Fitzgerald. I’d rather have Fitz, Butler and Obo starting than Rice, Baldwin and Edwards/Tate.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    RDPoulsbo – You’re not eligible is you’ve accrued a full season, so depending on how many games Durham was active for, he would not be.

  18. RDPoulsbo says:

    I see where I read that wrong. Since Durham was on the active roster for 6 games, he just barely loses out on his eligibility.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    The rules are pretty simple, really. But it’s worded very awkwardly in the CBA.

  20. HonHawksLSB says:

    How great is Hard Knocks and how bad of a GM is Jeff Ireland? How do you let Braylon Edwards leave the building without a contract? There starting WR’s are going to be guys that were cut from other teams without Practice Squad eligibility, like a Butler/Obo or Brandon Gibson/Danario Alexander.

    Think of our 4 Wide set with:

    Owens
    Braylon
    Baldwin
    Tate

    That is a lot of speed, quickness and height!

  21. I would agree with everything said in Dukes post about the Reciever position, Butler and Lockette on the outside looking in for the 7 spot. Tough but if we’re going with performance easily Butler. Potential, easily lockette.

    No way we keep 8.

  22. RDPoulsbo says:

    The team has a bunch of middle depth chart type guys at WR. I don’t think Butler makes the team, but he’s a guy I could see the team trading away for a 5th or 6th round pick before the final cuts.

  23. “better to have Tom Brady and Zsa Zsa Gabor than Flynn and Wilson”

    Lol! That’s quite an image you put in my head, Canfan.

  24. bbnate420 says:

    Thanks Duke and RD. I thought that the number was 6 games for a player with one accrued season. I thought that Durham was on the 53 for 6 or more games in 2011, hence thinking he was not eligible, but I wasn’t completely sure how many games he was on the 53 for. Hopefully, they can sneak Lockette onto the PS if he doesn’t make the 53. It may be better for us if he doesn’t play in any preseason games for us this year. No tape for other teams. He could use another year to develop.

  25. The more I think about Obo’s miserable performance at WR in the final games last season, the more I’m hoping Lockette steps up and wins a job over both Obomanu and Butler. I’d like at least one younger developmental prospect in the WR corps, and he’s one of the few in camp who occasionally flashes some star potential.

    Here’s hoping he gets the chance to show his stuff against Denver.

  26. yellaman says:

    I might get ridiculed for saying this but I would rather have Lockette than OBomanu. My reason is I see a high ceiling with lockette than Obomanu and I would be willing to take a special teams hit than keep a guy who hasn’t proven anything as a WR in his 5 yrs worth of playing time on this team. If Lockette wants to be a part of this team then he should get some time playing special teams (as a gunner) and if he performs well then let Obomanu go.

  27. yellaman says:

    Another point on the WR’s is can anybody really count on rice to make a whole season at this point? The guy has been injured the last 2 seasons ( only played in 15 games in 2010 & 2011) So I see the problem with the wr’s on this team is guys like Tate, Durham, and Lockette haven’t seized the opportunity to be contributors to this team. So the team had to bring in vets Edwards and Owens to help get us through this transition. Tate is a 2rd round pick and I expected more at this point in his career. Durham hasn’t shown anything yet and Lockette may have the measurements but continues to have the droppys. Rice if healthy is your #1 WR, baldwin is the teams best option as a slot WR so who is going to be that other WR opposite Rice? Edwards and Owens are both battling to back up Rice but maybe Edwards or Owens can be the WR opposite rice. If that happens what does that say about the draft picks of Tate and Durham? That is the glaring problem with the WR. I like Rice and baldwin but I don’t know if Tate, Durham, or Lockette are ready so now we have Edwards and Owens in the mix which hurts Butler and Obomanu, Lockettes chances of making the squad.

  28. tchristensen says:

    With the level of talent on the team now, hopefully the hawks will start releasing some of the “dead weight”. By this I mean players that at one point showed some promise but always seem to be injured. Jameson Konz, Cameron Morrah, Dexter Davis, Matt Mc Coy, Etc.

  29. Like BBnate mentioned, I think they give it to Butler & try to add Rockette to the practice squad. Also regarding the RB’s, Wouldn’t it be smarter to keep Tuaua instead of Lumpkin because he can back up the FB position also? Robinson is also a special teamer. Could get injured..

  30. The 3rd TE battle seems to be between Mcoy & Morrah. The guy behind them can go to the PS squad.. I like Morrah.

  31. JMSeaTown says:

    I envision a red zone 4 wide set of TO, Rice, Edwards, & Winslow… Then run a draw with Leon! Bwahahaha

  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Trade Tate before it’s to late.

  33. Dukeshire says:

    mocarob – Neither have PS eligibility. I’m going to keep an eye on McGrath before I jettison him to the PS.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    mocarob – Oops. Misread.. The guy *behind* them. McGrath…

  35. Rice and Edwards on the outside, Baldwin and Winslow inside, I like that, but if Rice or Winslow can’t go, then you got Terrel or Tate w/Edwards and Miller w/Baldwin. Still like it. Edwards and Winslow both have the ablility to be probowl caliber players. I know it’s been projected as a weakness, but I’m thinkig it’s not so bad. Plus we got Beastmode and Washington(man, I hope they run more plays through him), so basically, if the line can hold up, I’m thinkin’ we’re good. Oh yeah, top 5 D doesn’t hurt either. So now we got Flynn running 7-9 nine minute drives keepin’ are defense fresh, it’s goin’ be all good this year. Can’t wait. Hawks4Life.

  36. I’ll be surprised if Obomanu is not on the final roster. It’s easy for those of us on the outside (not bearing the burden of the responsibility) to poo-poo special teams at this point in the season, and though he’s not going to strike fear into the opposition at WR, he does make the occasional contribution.

    Gotta keep Tate, also. Too many very good receivers don’t “click” until their third season, and he’s been making progress as his first two years have gone by, so it’s reasonable to think he’ll continue to improve.

    Not sure I can explain why, but I like Butler. He’s pretty fast, and he seemed to be on the upswing before breaking his leg.

    Rice, Edwards, Tate, Butler, Obo, Lockette/Durham (per PS juggling possibilities).

  37. hehe oops, make that Rice, Edwards, Baldwin, Tate, Butler, Obo, Lockette/Durham (per PS juggling possibilities). If keeping only 6, Lockette/Durham to PS.

    (sheesh, can’t believe I left Baldwin off my list…huge omision.)

  38. bbnate420 says:

    I don’t think Butler makes it either, mocarob. I think Obo takes the 6th WR spot. Butler could hava chance if they keep 7, but I don’t see that happening. Maybe if they keep 4 RBs again this year.

  39. bbnate420 says:

    I have a suspicion that Durham comes down with an injury that places him on the IR before the start of the regular season, as long as he’s willing to go along with it.

  40. jchawks08 says:

    Ok Georgia, I have to ask.. What’s your deal with Tate? There’s been about 27 posts over the last few days with you either trying to package him in some trade with T-Jack, or just trading him outright. Do you own the Top Pot store he ‘broke’ into or what??!? And if so, and you dislike him so much, why is his jersey hanging in the window?? lol.. Just want to know why you appear to disklike him.

  41. Hammajamma says:

    They may keep 6 WR’s and 4 TE’s, given injury concerns with Miller and that Winslow will frequently slide outside.

    At this point I think Lockette is a longshot to make the final 53. Imagine a red zone group with TO, Braylon and Winslow. Three guys who can post up and win back shoulder battles.

  42. Ultimately I think Matt Flynn chose Seattle because we’re closer to being a solid playoff contender than Miami. Miami’s a few years away, much like we were when PC and JS came on board. So yea, he left his interview here drinkin’ the koolaid like the rest of us. (Good party so far!) :)

  43. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think people have to recognize that the WRs on the bubble have had plenty of chances to step up and realize their potential, but haven’t. Chances are they will never realize that potential. People may not like Obo, but at least he contributes on ST while the others fail to do even that. This will be next year’s primary focus, but for now they should just keep guys that can contribute what they can now. That’s a pessimistic view of the position, but at some point, they need to stop being projects and contribute.

    I’m not sure what to really make about TE. I can’t see them taking 4 because I don’t see where that extra spot comes from, but health is probably going to play a significant role here. You already have Winslow’s knee and Miller’s concussions, so do you make that 3rd one Morrah who seems to be sidelined more than both of those guys combined? I’d guess most people would choose Morrah over the others, but I think they will go with McCoy or McGrath for nothing other than health reasons.

  44. ChrisHolmes says:

    I can see both Owens and Edwards making the roster. Pete loves his big, strong, tall WR’s on the outside. Always has. Both of those guys provide the prototypical WR that PC likes and they provide backup for Rice who has proved to be incredibly fragile. I really don’t expect Rice to make it through 16 games. He has to show me he can do it, and so far he hasn’t.

    If it were me: Rice, Edwards, Owens, Baldwin, Tate, Obo.

  45. ChrisHolmes says:

    One thing to remember about Winslow is that he’s basically like a WR. So if they want to keep 4 TE’s, which I can see PC and JS doing because of their love for the 2TE set, then I am not sure they keep six at WR. If that happens, I can see Owens not making the team because they need guys like Obo to play special teams.

    I can see Winslow taking a lot of snaps without a hand on the ground for this team. Tampa did it with him… He’s a force.

  46. I hope we don’t ignore ST this year – we did that 2 seasons ago and 3 games in they were cutting and resigning guys that could play ST since we were soo awful it was costing us games – see SF game!!

    The difference between a good team and a bad team in the NFL isn’t big enough that you can just throw guys on ST and give the other teams an advantage.

  47. raymaines says:

    First cut down, from 90 to 80, on Aug 28.

    Five days later, on Sept 2, it’s down to 53.

    Just a guess of course, but I think Obomanu gets cut.

  48. RDPoulsbo says:

    Lockette has always rubbed me the wrong way and I just realized why. He reminds me of this guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iu8PjILyis

  49. Would it surprise anyone if he was brought in as a tryout here?

    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20120816/Demps-NFL/

  50. Dukeshire says:

    It would surprise me a bit, at this stage. During OTAs I could see him coming in for a workout, but not at this stage. Of course they’re always looking for talent, but he’s a project, and I’m not sure what role he’d fill here. Not RB. Not kick return. (Unless they liked him enough to cut Washington, one of the best kick returners in the league). Carroll likes taller receivers, so that’s out. At least that’s how I see it. But you never know.

    Also, Demps may want to dump his agent if this is how he’s being marketed: “He could be a kick returner, slot receiver, stuff like that. There’s gadget plays teams can come up with.” Um… “stuff like that…”?, “gadget plays…”? Not very enticing.

  51. RD, thanks for that youtube. lol!

    I don’t think Carroll would tolerate Leon on his team.

  52. Hammajamma: “Imagine a red zone group with TO, Braylon and Winslow.”

    Yeah. And imagine them lining up against the 49ers. This just made my day. I’m done thinking about backup WRs for today.

  53. Soggybuc says:

    Demps would a very nice addition.

  54. Soggybuc says:

    You saying Pete wouldn’t salivate over this kind of speed?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9z2VwlgbeQ

  55. yellaman says:

    Why is Obo thought of as the only guy who can play special teams? I really don’t think you should keep a guy just for special team purposes unless he is a pro bowler at that position (which Obo is not) Why can’t Lockette play special teams or say a guy from the defense’s reserves? maybe a guy like roy lewis or Jeremy lane. I know everybody likes Obo but I look at the WR position as the best players from that position should be kept to play that position and if Obo isn’t the top 6 then I say next man up. We can’t keep guys who are mediocre WR just because they are good special teamers. We need to keep the best WR on this team and if Obo is that then his experience as a special teams guy is a bonus.

  56. bbnate420 says:

    See 2011 season opener. There’s your reason. 8)

  57. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Wasn’t Obo on the team in the season opener?

  58. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “in 2011″

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    jchawks08- Tate who?

  60. bignasty says:

    X- Rice, Owens
    Y- Baldwin, Tate
    Z- Edwards, Lockette

    Obomanu is a great guy, and a hard worker,so if the coaches are going to fill the Alex Bannister Memorial ST spot, he is your guy.

    I see Butler as an ‘I wish’ guy being a 3rd slot man, and Durham as a victim of numbers and his own lack of effort/ability. We are looking for size and speed on the outside, and that means Lockette.

    If we developed Tate as a return guy we could look to trade Washington to create room, as Klegg backs up both RB and FB. Winslow is also a factor, both positive and negative. His presence in the TE room forces us to keep four, but takes pressure off the WR.

    Like to keep seven. Not sure we can.

    Oh, and McGrath over Dropsy McCoy. We need Tight Ends, not Outside Tackles (this from a catching TE who didn’t start cuz I couldn’t block. Just sayin…)

  61. Team that don’t keep guys specifically for Special teams don’t do well. Go back a few years when they make cuts and put guys like Roy Lewis back on the team specifically because he was a decent back up but was a beast on ST.

    There are 3 parts to every game and if you totally ignore ST then you are giving your opponents a huge advantage – if you are giving them an extra 5-10 yards on every return on moving you back that same amount on every possession over the course of the game is deadly. also, giving up BIG returns is a huge momentum switch.

    USUALLY, but not always a Back up, WR, RB, CB, LB are on the team to make sure they have specific talent on ST. I think Lockette could play ST but Edwards, Owens, Baldwin, Tate are not those guys – Tate could return but he wouldn’t be a good gunner.

  62. grizindabox24 says:

    yellaman, you need 10 guys to cover kickoffs, and 9 guys to cover punts (this of course excludes the kicker, punter, and long snapper). You can not fill all those spots with backup defensive players, that is why a team needs TE’s and WR’s that are willing to tackle a guy. Obo is one of the few that can do it.

  63. yellaman says:

    I understand the reason for keeping a guy like obo but I’m just saying maybe another guy can do the job just as good and then we don’t have to keep a mediocre wr because we think he is our best option for special teams. But I’m open to the debate to get the 6 best wr on the hawks roster.

  64. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, he was. My point wasn’t that he is good enough to play ST by himself. That game shows what happens when your ST play sucks, and Obo is a key to us having good ST coverage IMO. There were other factors that day like heavy turnover on the ST unit, Farwell and Lewis not playing, etc..

  65. Obo couldn’t catch Ted Ginn from behind if his life depended on it. In that sense it would be more logical to teach Lockette how to play ST, and now you have a burner as a last resort to stop guys from scoring.

  66. So Obo’s play depends very much on the play of others, just like any other position or any other player. He’s not a pro bowler, so I don’t see where everyone thinks he’s so good at ST. Plus he dropped many crucial passes thrown to him towards the end of the season last year.
    He’s getting older, I see less justification for keeping him when Edwards is not much older and an upgrade at wr, and guys like toomer, guy, and lockette are younger, faster, hungrier. If they can convert Sweezy from D line to O line, I don’t think it’s a stretch for some of these rookies to learn special teams. Especially guys like Toomer and Guy who are natural born athletes. Can’t they ” coach em up” to play special teams?

  67. And according to profootballtalk, we can save a couple mil by cutting Obo and using the money to help in resigning guys like Thomas, chancellor, and j jones.

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