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Morning links: QB battle takes center stage

Post by Eric Williams on July 23, 2012 at 8:16 am with 28 Comments »
July 23, 2012 8:16 am
Seattle Seahawks quarterback Tavaris Jackson (7) passes to Justin Helwege, left, as quarterbacks Russell Wilson (3) and Matt Flynn (15) look on, during an NFL football organized team activity, Thursday, May 24, 2012, in Renton, Wash. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated writes that the Seahawks three-way battle at quarterback between Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson is one of his top 10 storylines in the league with training camps beginning this week. Banks:

The QB storyline will consume all the oxygen in Seattle’s training camp, but in reality, it’s Flynn’s job to lose. If the Seahawks were happy with Jackson, they wouldn’t have signed Flynn and spent their highest pick on a quarterback in 10 years by taking Wilson. And despite Carroll’s infatuation level with Wilson’s potential, the smart and resourceful rookie figures to be a Wildcat package option this year, with a better chance of beating out Jackson for the backup job than truly pushing Flynn for the starting gig. Unless he falls on his face(mask) in August, Flynn should be the last man standing under center in Week 1.”

Pro Football Focus takes a look at NFC West training camp battles, and of course focuses on the quarterback position for Seattle.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald writes that we should be careful to vilify athletes like Marshawn Lynch before we have all the information. Boyle: “Lynch screwed up if he drove while intoxicated. No one is arguing that, least of all him. If convicted, he will have to regain the trust of his employers and make amends with the family, friends and fans he let down. In that case, we shouldn’t defend what he did, but we shouldn’t make him out to be a monster either.”

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times writes that playoff expectations for the Seahawks this season are not a crazy dream. Brewer: “The Seahawks are exactly what a rapidly emerging team should be: Exciting but scary. They’re talented enough to finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. They could also go 7-9 again, or even slip to 6-10, especially if a starting quarterback doesn’t emerge.

The Seahawks are ahead of the rebuilding curve. This season will define whether they truly ditch the R-word or are left to answer tough questions about why they’re not there yet.”

Bill Barnwell of Sports Illustrated debates which player is the best running back in the league heading into 2012, and he settles on Baltimore’s Ray Rice. Marshawn Lynch receives honorable mention, and Barnwell lists Shaun Alexander as the best runner in the NFL from 2004 to 2006.

The news of the day is the NCAA imposed a four-year ban on Penn State, fining the school $60 million and vacating all coach Joe Paterno’s victories from 1998-2011 in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

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  1. I’d say Alexander had one of the best 5 year RB stretches in NFL History from 2001-2005. Almost had 2 NFL rushing titles.

    I saw a commercial that NFLN will have 9 straight hours of live NFL Training camp coverage starting on Thursday. I’d love to see if they can cover some of these QB competitions live. That would make for must see TV.

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Exciting but scary”! I agree with that assessment of the Seahawks this year by jerry brewer.
    Even though they will probably face better qb play this year, I think they can overcome it just by staying healthy enough for their offense to gell.

    Formula for 10-6 season.

    1-Avoid rash of injuries.

    2-Cut down on penalties without sacrificing aggression.

    3-Develope better pass rush.

    4- Stay humble and hungry and confident.

    5- Avoid the stupidity that you see with the Jets and the Eagles, ( like Vick and his dynasty talk).

  3. Hammajamma says:

    Wilson a wildcat package option? I hear he’s also virtually unblockable as a pass rusher.

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    In that picture it looks like wilson is about 5 inches shorter than Flynn. Flynns helmet looks taller.

    Someone needs to get Wilson a taller helmet. Lol.

  5. SandpointHawk says:

    They are wearing different brands of helmets…

  6. raymaines says:

    So much of the season record depends on avoiding injuries, and so much of that depends on dumb luck.

    I suppose I’m just being silly, but I’m not worried about the pass rush. CC will be back, the Hawks have added Jones and Irvin, and the linebackers will be OK. The other three points shouldn’t be much of a problem either.

    without injuries, the O-Line will be a good unit.

    I’m worried about QB play, and even more worried about the receivers.

  7. dirtbiker_joey says:

    Wilson in the Wildcat? Has Carroll ever run the wildcat that anyone can think of? Not gonna happen.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Well they need to switch those helmets around! Wilson needs to look as tall as he can! It almost looks like he is standing next to Manning in that pic.

  9. bbnate420 says:

    Doesn’t matter how tall the helmet is, matters how high your eye level is! Unless you want to mount a camera to the top of the helmet and then route it to some glasses.

  10. bbnate420 says:

    5 days!

  11. Dukeshire says:

    Yes, those helmets have nothing to do with it. Moreover, Flynn is standing *behind* Wilson, which ought to make Wilson appear taller to him, by comparison.

  12. PC is all about competition, and last year TJ had no competition. It doesn’t mean it’s Flynn’s job to lose, or how he’d have to play horribly for him to ride the bench if either TJ or RW out play him. Seems like PC like RW, Bevell likes TJ, and JS likes Flynn so it’s going to be interesting. If Flynn outshines them both fine, and I’m all for starting him if he does, but until then I’m hoping everyone can hold onto their annointment oils, and fully support PC’d decison.

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Great idea bbnate420!

    Some kind of modern day periscope. Don’t let Belichick steal your idea.

  14. bird_spit says:

    GeorgiaHawk – Add that seahawks need to vastly improve the special teams play as well. The kick off coverage, and kick off yards after were pathetic last year.

  15. I should support his decision, but I won’t if it’s Jackson. Everyone here knows how badly I despise him as a quarterback (not as a person) so there’s no reason to go over all those reasons (and most of you don’t want to have to read them again, either).

    Yeah, sure, they are professionals and I know for a fact they know more than I do, but that doesn’t change the fact that any of us can be smarter than them sometimes (Carimi over Carpenter) even if it isn’t very often.

    However, the straw that broke the camels back (not that it really needed reinforcing) was the stat Eric put up about a week ago (when I was on the road and not really able to post much) was his career statistics in 2 minute situations (or something like that). About 15 INTs vs 1 TD in pressure situations? That’s embarassing (especially when you consider the superior talent he had to work with in Minnesota for many starts).

    I could care less if it’s Wilson or Flynn that wins the gig. I have a Flynn jersey ordered for my little guy (who turns 1 today! – but STILL on backorder after months!) and I have no problem getting a Wilson if he wins the job. I will trust Mr. Happy no matter who he chooses between those two. I hope it’s Flynn simply because I believe he’s fully ready to take over an NFL franchise. However, if they believe the long term upside with Wilson is worth it, I’ll be 100% in support of that decision, too.

    Re: Lynch

    I read all of your comments about that, too. Some wanted to dump him, some want to coddle him. It’s about like the Lofa situation after he resigned some years back. I love Lynch the RB. I love his style. I root for his uniform more than I do him. I think there was enough history to question his character and I never got on board with him the person but I’m not ready to throw him under the bus after this one incident in Seattle (even though it didn’t happen there).

    Nevertheless, he blew a .08. (1.0 later?) It’s not like he was one of these guys that got truly bombed and was at a 2.0 that you sometimes hear about. Now, I do not support driving at a .08 and I am pretty responsible when it comes to that type of thing, but I can say in my life that I have probably done it (driven at a .08 or a little higher) a couple of times, in my late college days. But I guarantee I was never bombed. Now that I teach, I will never have more than 3 beers in an evening and drive anywhere (at 210lbs), as he should have the same rule being in the public eye like that.

    Random: I hate prepared statements, although it seems mandatory these days. Why can’t guys speak from the heart when they issue a statement (anyone for any team in pro sports; not just Lynch)? Oh, wait, the lawyers need to get their two cents (millions) in. I forgot. It’s more public BS instead of being real (which most don’t care about anyone).

    I asked many of you to vote for two jerseys for my little guy (after Flynn) about a month ago and it was ET/Lynch. I haven’t put the order in yet (waiting for Flynn – was hoping to have them for b-day today though!) but I’m not going to go w/Lynch after this, just ET (and Wilson if he wins the job).

    Other than that, not much:) :)

  16. bbnate420 says:

    BobbyK, I am with you that I would be disappointed if TJack wound up starting the season opener, barring injury. I would dispute the fact that he had “superior” talent to throw the ball to while he was starting in Minn. I know he had AP and a good O-line. Also, I tried to check with Eric, didn’t get a response, but I think that his 2 minute TD/INT was 1 TD and 9 INT. Still horrible mind you. I think that Duke added the 2011 to his career numbers for the 1 TD/15 INT ratio he quoted. I can’t be sure. Regardless, I think I am more realistic when it comes to him but, I agree that he is our third best option going forward. In 5 days we will begin to find out.

  17. Good to see you back BobbyK. Going to point out in the same article TJ only threw 1 int vs 9 Td’s in the red zone, but enough QB talk. I think most athletes like prepared statements because they don’t risk looking ignorant by having horrible spelling/grammar, or say something they shouldn’t. Reminds me of all the sports cliches that get thrown around by players/coaches before, and after a game.

    rotoworld reported Cam Wake drew 13 holding penalties while playing in a 3-4, second best was 7, and CC wants a similar contract? Yikes, can we see if Osi is still on the market, or get other players more reps (Besides Bruce, and Jason Jones) like Pierre Allen? Either way JJ, and BI have me excited

  18. bbnate420 says:

    Georgia, I doubt it would be legal so, I don’t think I have to worry about anyone stealing it. I got the idea from a video I saw on YouTube, might still be there, where it showed Keith Price from the 2011 spring game, I think. I guess he had a small camera mounted in his helmet, looks like it must’ve been right over his face mask or some where on the side of it. It was amazing to get a look at what he was seeing, or close to. I wouldn’t know what the hell to do with what little it seemed he could see.

  19. BobbyK Lives!

  20. wazzulander says:

    “With the intriguing Josh Portis also on the roster it wouldn’t be a surprise if Jackson found himself looking for a new team.”

    Interesting take from the Pro Football Focus article. Its sort of the scenario I’m hoping for sine I agree Portis is very “intriguing” and T-Jack is a known commodity… but then again conventional wisdom says going into a season with neither your starter or backups having any game experience is probably a foolish move.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK- congratulations on your little guy turning 1 today! And you are so right about the qb rating in the last 2 minutes of the game!

    Did you also see Wilsons qb rating in the last two minutes of his College games?

    bird_spit- You’re right- The special teams play is one of the most important keys to how we do this season. ( Stupid me for not making that part of the formula.)

    bbnate420- Are you talking about Keith Price, the qb who set all kinds of Husky bowl game records and clearly out played RGIII?

    Bold prediction here- Wilson wins qb battle and leads the Seahawks to the playoffs. And wins rookie of the year over RGIII and Luck!

  22. Dukeshire says:

    I realize this is a Seahawks blog, but Ichiro to the Yankees…?! Barf! How can anyone be a Yankees fan.

  23. Sando is reporting Clemons signed a new contract! News on ESPN and PFT. Awesome to hear!

  24. Yay Clemons!

    I needed that to cheer me up. Sad to see a Seattle legend go to the effing Yankees. Yuck!

  25. Training camp coverage starts Wednesday on NFL Network. 9hrs a day. Everyday. (til at least 8/3)

  26. Best QB will win competition on basis of performance, period.
    I’m sure whoever wins the starting nod the team will be fine and if whoever it is at QB and not doing it, they will be replaced.
    Over all it should be a good year for these Hawks.
    Go Hawks!!! :o )

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