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Morning links: Tamme out, Shiacone in?

Post by Eric Williams on March 21, 2012 at 8:45 am with 40 Comments »
March 21, 2012 8:45 am
Minnesota Vikings tight end Visanthe Shiancoe (81) carries the ball against the Green Bay Packers in an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 9, 2008 in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

Jason La Canfora of the NFL Network reports that Indianapolis tight end Jacob Tamme left Seattle without a contract and will visit Denver on Friday, possibly reuniting with former teammate Peyton Manning.

That leaves Minnesota Vikings free agent tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, who visited with Seattle this week, as a possible addition through free agency.

With how much Seattle uses two, tight end sets, along with Shiancoe’s familiarity with Seattle’s scheme from his time playing in offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell’s version of the West Coast offense with the Vikings, the fit seems natural.

Shiancoe still has some gas left in the tank – he turns 32 in June. Shiancoe is known as a pass-catching tight end. But he’s also a decent blocker, so paired with Zach Miller I think Shiancoe will provide Seattle with some scheme versatility, with both players able to play as in-line tight ends, lining up as an H-back off the ball or splitting out as a slot receiver.

Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated writes that the Seahawks signing Matt Flynn is a tri down memory lane, following a similar situation with Seattle pursuing Matt Hasselbeck 11 years ago through a trade with the Packers.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com reviews the first week of free agency for the Seahawks.

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com says four teams are in play for Tim Tebow, Jacksonville, the N.Y. Jets, Green Bay and Miami.

Andrew Brandt of the National Football Post breaks down Manning’s contract with the Broncos.

Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports writes that the linebacker market in free agency will have to settle before determining where players like Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly will go in the draft.

Peter Schrager of Fox Sports has Seattle selecting South Carolina defensive end Melvin Ingram with the team’s No. 12 overall pick.

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  1. chuck_easton says:

    I don’t have an issue with Ingram at #12. I haven’t seen much of him but thanks to the great people on this site that have written their opinions of him he seems like a solid pick at 12 and not a reach.

    I am still liking Kuechly at 12 as well. Too high for a LB? Maybe, but he’d step right in to the middle LB spot without much problems.

    I don’t want a RB, WR, CB, Safety or OL at 12. Not areas that we need to spend that high pick.

  2. Dukeshire says:

    On the surface, Shiancoe makes sense for this offense, for the reasons Eric mentioned (i.e. familiarity, versatility). But I question he does gave much left. His production has declined each of the last 3 seasons (even 4 if we include yards per reception.) I’d prefer to stay with the youth movement here.

  3. Tamme would be far preferable to Shiancoe. Shaiancoe may not have any gas left in his tank at all. He looked pretty spent last season. Looks like Tamme will sign in Denver to play with Manning, and why not?

    If we end up losing Tamme, Shiancoe is nothing more, in my mind, than a stop-gap. Kinda like the dolphins…if no one will sign with you, you take what you can get. We need a blocking TE who can occasionally catch passes. A younger guy would be best, but you take what you can get.

  4. bird_spit says:

    The youth movement is the identity of this team…pass.

  5. Sarcasticus says:

    Versatility is the identity of the team. Youth is more the byproduct of that versatility.

    I think Keuchly would be a nice pick up at 12. Who else do the Seahawks have for linebacker right now? De Castro slipping to 12 would also be quite nice.

  6. Duke,

    I was hoping they’d go younger there too, but unlike Shiancoe’s days at NY, he’s had huge TE numbers with the Vikings. Over the last four years, he’s averaged 525.5 yards–not shabby for TE and they didn’t have the best situation offensively last year. Just saying, and he still had 409 yards…

    Isn’t it nice to (mostly) focus on Defense for our first round or two?

  7. piperfeltcher says:

    Dukeshire- I saw you ask on a earlier post why people are ragging on Obo and while I can not answer for others I can tell you why I have seen enough of him. In the 2nd to last game of the season against SF he dropped 2 key passes and on another 3rd down he ran the wrong route. On the 1st drive of the game TJack put a perfectly thrown deep ball right into his hands for a TD and he dropped it. In the 3rd quarter he ran an out pattern and TJack threw a in pattern on 3rd down to stall a drive and it was obvious from the players reactions and that the coaches went right to Obo that it was him who ran the wrong pattern. He also dropped a crossing route in the 4th quarter that would have kept a drive going. To me it did not look like he was ready to play that game. If Jerry Rice has a bad day and looks unfocused you brush it off but when your 5th receiver steps on the field and does not look ready to compete that day then you get rid of him. Just my opionion and perception of that game.

  8. SeahawkFan12 says:

    I like Kuechy at #12 and Doug Martin in the 2nd if he’s available. Martin is a tough-running, every-down back that would be a great compliment to Marshawn.

  9. piperfeltcher says:

    Shiancoe would be fine as a backup but would rather see them bring in a young player with some potential. Plus they have signed enough Vikings if his names not Allen then I say take a pass.

  10. chrisj122 says:

    F.A. for Hawks started a bit slow but definetly picked up and has been somewhat of a rollercoaster ride. I’m still really exicited about signing Flynn!
    I haven’t been on here the last few days because of a death in my wifes family, the news of the Flynn singing came out when at the funural (my brother in-law told me). Do you realize how hard it is not to look excited and happy at funural?

  11. seahawk44 says:

    I agree with Eric. He can help this team. So what if he is just a stop gap, the guy has never been injured(knock on wood). He also has great hands and is a very adept at 3rd down, move the chains catches. Even if Shiancoe only gives what he did last season, I will take the 36 catches and 3 touchdowns.

  12. ryanryan says:

    the boys are back in town.

    mother of pearl suh is freaking huge! lots of guys doing circuit training in my club this morning. everyone working hard this year, nobody seems to be taking it lightly unlike last year when the lockout was happening. i am half expecting to see tatupu one of these days with leroy, but hasn’t happened yet.

  13. JazBadAzz says:

    TO anyone that thinks Shiancoe is out of gas is royally mistaken! The man had a great season 3 yrs ago with a healthy Farve…next season a badly beating up Farve and the next with Donovan Mcnabb and rookie Christain Ponder. He blocked pretty well for AP and is always a threat, doesn’t mind getting dirty and never gives up on the play! I prefer him over Tamme any day of the week…he was a starter/probowler and Tamme was a back up, trust me when I tell you that Shiancoe is a superior player and we would have 2 of the best TE’s if we reel him in!

  14. JazBadAzz says:

    SEAN PEYTON SUSPENDED 1 YEAR SAINTS HEAD COACH

    GREG WILLIAMS SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY! RAMS D COORDINATOR

    This is super wild off season!!!!

  15. Jets aquire tebow for a 4th…yawn

  16. JazBadAzz says:

    Mickey Loomis suspended 1st 8 games this season!

    Saints forfeit 2nd rd pick in 2012 and 2013 and team fined 500k

    How in the world are they going to win a single game this year? Draft, install offense, well I guess Spags will be the interim head coach!

  17. piperfeltcher says:

    Good they should be suspended. i do not think the bounties had any relevence at all in the football games as players make a lot of money and try to hit as hard as possable so I can not see a player trying to hurt another player for $5000. But stuff like this makes the league look bad and with all the brain injuries showing up in retired players and all the head injuries happing in football the league does not need any more bad press. It worries me the way the press is jumping on these injuries and with the power they have that in 10 or so years players might have handkerchief’s hanging out of there pockets.

  18. piperfeltcher says:

    Spags is in Miami there new head coach is Pete Carmichael which is a huge jump up for him as behind Payton he was basically a assistant OC.

  19. JazBadAzz says:

    Spags is the DC in new orleans, piperfeltcher

  20. piperfeltcher says:

    Yep Spags is in NO do not know why I thought he went to Miami as we know no one goes to Miami.

  21. HawkfaninMT says:

    So impact to the Hawks?

    Rams D probably will not miss him much. Fisher is a former DC and was going to have plenty of a hand in the decision making anyways.

    Saints draft after the Hawks but may have had similar 3rd round targets. Maybe a LB, WR, or DE they would have drafted in the 2nd now gets down to the Hawks that may not have otherwise. I would seriously look at the Saints as a trade partner in the 1st this year. Our first for their first this year and next maybe? That should be a pretty high pick

    Biggest impact? Wasn’t Hawthore considering the Saints as an alternative to the hawks? I can’t imagine a player wanting to go there for this year anyways.

  22. I wish I was a gm……

    Keuchly at 12 is fine, but I would really much prefer Whitney Mercilus. He is THE long term solution for our pass rush needs.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1689559

    The other kid I like as a pass rusher is Vinny Curry in the 2nd round.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1695468/vinny-curry

    Other awesome choices at inside backer are Mychal Kendriks and Bobby Wagner. Wagner will play inside or outside linebacker.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692733/mychal-kendricks
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692666/bobby-wagner

  23. Dukeshire says:

    Wow. Those suspensions are crazy.

    HawkfaninMT – This is a good thing, I believe, for those of us who want Hawthorne back.

    Tebow to the Jets? What an odd fit.

  24. JazBadAzz says:

    HawkfaninMT- the saints traded their 1st this year to the patriots for the the running back Mark Ingram. They have one next year but I doubt they want to give that up because they already don’t have a third. I agree that I don’t see them being able to pick up any descent free agents with out over paying now, with that said that could be the exact reason why Heater gets picked up by them.

    p.s. I would trade our 2nd for their next yrs 1st because they will be picking in the top five!

    Its going to be extremely hard to get Brees under contract now, he was already upset to come back and be franchised. I feel bad for the fans, they don;t deserve this and I hope they can find something else to cheer for.

  25. HawkfaninMT says:

    No 1st round pick this year for the Saints either… Man those guys are in trouble!

  26. Seahawks should have signed John Carlson. They had the money (unless they really believed they were spending on on Manning, which seems doubtful.) The Seahawks lose by signing 32-yr old TE, while the Vikings win by signing the 27-year old Carlson ready to have his best years. The Seahawks gave up on Carlson much too easily.

    Solidifying our OT play in 2012 could finally let the much-hyped two-TE offense out of the box. But will we have two premier TEs to execute for us? We did have two and we let one walk away.

  27. I love the Heater, but we can’t offer a long-term contract to an undersized LB whose knee kept him off the practice field all last season –unless of course that knee is solid and ready to go this year. Not re-signing him tells me that the Seahawks think he’s an injury risk at this point in his career.

  28. RDPoulsbo says:

    Tamme heading to Denver doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing. I’d prefer him over Shaincoe because he’s younger. At least we know PC’s talk of 2 pass catching TEs lining up in the same formation is for real. The trouble is a lot of teams want to do the same and try to get the same success as NE had last year, so the price on TEs will be high.

    It might also be effecting the LB market since these are the guys who cover TEs the most. The LB market is probably cold right now because DCs are trying to figure out how to best defend against the 2 TE pass catchers before wanting to commit to personnel.

  29. JazBadAzz says:

    Stevos- I disagree about Carlson is the better option, those shoulders are the Achilles heel for a TE (blocking and banging, reaching for passes and getting hit)…Shiancoe is better

    I agree about the Heater, he has peaked and he played great for his limited ability, he needs to come to turns that he will never be in the upper echelon of LB’s.

  30. Seattle Seahawks Pro Bowl Defensive Ends since 1990:

    Michael Sinclair DE 1996, 1997, 1998
    Rufus Porter LB/DE 1998, 1999
    John Randle DT/DE 2001
    Patrick Kerney DE 2007

    I’m a little surprised that Micheal McCrary didn’t make it in1996 with 13.5 sacks. Looking at this list you can say that Rufus really was a LB, Randle a DT and Kerney past his prime. That leaves us with Sinclair as the last pro bowl DE that we’ve had on this team. What am I getting at? Only that this problem isn’t a new one. It can be difficult to find these guys. On a positive note regarding the draft though, Sinclair was a 6th round pick and McCrary was a 7th round pick. There are pass rushers available in the upcoming draft. If we find one in the first round that’s great. If it’s in the 7th round that’s great too.

    After round #1 of free agency, our major glaring weakness remains the pass rush. Obviously LB needs to be addressed but there seems little urgency at this point. The other positions that need address have more to do with injury concerns. WR if Rice remains fragile. RB to back up Beast Mode. Feeling damn good so far about how things have gone.

    The draft is going to be fun now. So many options if we actually pick at #12. Kid in the candy store!

  31. Jaz, good point on Carlson. I hadn’t heard any reports on his injury rehab, but he may in fact be in the same category as Hawthorne and not worth a long-term deal any longer.

  32. piperfeltcher says:

    Clemmons should have made the pro bowl last year.

  33. JazBadAzz says:

    Big Red should have made it last year. Blocked kicks and was the anchor for the top run defense in the league.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    Despite Clem’s numbers overall, he had stretches of 2 and 3 games where he “disappeared”, so-to-speak. At least regarding pass rush. His sacks do tend to come in bunches, rather than on a consistent basis.

  35. That’s part of the reason I’m so adamant about an OLB/DE type of guy at #12. Clem is good, but he disappears too often. At least when a guy like Jared Allen disappears on the stat sheet, he’s still getting pressure. And when you’re only legit pass rusher is gone, there’s nobody left to get pressure and then you’re really screwed – as had happened to us at times last year.

    Who says that Carlson has chronic shoulder concerns? I have heard nothing of the sort. Is that simply speculation, which I suspect? He had a (singular) injury to the relative area. I don’t see where one injury is chronic? In hindsight, with the available cap dollars still available and what’s left out there, it seems to have been a mistake not to franchise Carlson for a year. It’s not our money and it would have been only a 1 year contract.

  36. JazBadAzz says:

    No one said “chronic”, your talking out the side of your neck again bobby.

  37. Galena, I think Rufus made the Pro Bowl in 1988 and 1989, but not as a linebacker — as a special teams ace.

  38. I always wondered why they don’t try BMW at TE. Innovation pays off short term sometimes. Right now it’s 2 tight ends with pass catching and YAC. Couple of years ago it was Wildcat. Why not move BMW inside every now and then. Keep them guessing. Uses his body well to shield defenders.

  39. Mike Williams is too soft to play TE. He definitely wouldn’t be an upgrade over McCoy.

    I really hope we see something from Big Mike this year. Anything.

  40. nighthawk2 says:

    Yep, that’s what I want to see. Another member of the Darrel Bevell Project at the end of his career coming to Seattle. At least I can pronounce Zach Miller’s name (a Tom Cable Production). So, how long is Carroll going to let his assistants make the free agent recommendation/signings?

    Unless we’re switching to the 3-4 scheme, I don’t want to take a 3-4 rush linebacker at 12, and that’s when Ingram is. Guy is 6’1″ and 266 for crying out loud.

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