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Video: Seahawks roundtable

Post by Eric Williams on May 1, 2011 at 12:10 pm with 43 Comments »
May 1, 2011 12:10 pm

Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com and Doug Farrar of Yahoo Sports join Eric Williams of The News Tribune to talk about the Seattle Seahawks’ draft in the video below.

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  1. Really liked what Farrar had to say about the scouting department and the way they work, made me more excited about the draft class, Durham and Legree especially, I actually follow Mt. Union pretty close, because I became a fan of Pierre Garcon when he played there.

  2. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Next time you see Doug Farrar tell him he was 109% wrong about Aaron Curry.

  3. chuck_easton says:

    ACIB

    If you are going to personally tell e every expert that was wrong about Curyy how they missed your job will probably be longer than Curry’s career

    Every expert had him as a sure bet can’t miss prospect

  4. rgbuckl says:

    ACIB

    I agree with Chuck here. The whole thing with Curry bugs me, but you can’t obsess over it so much. A different regime drafted him, but hopefully this will keep the current one away from drafting those guys deemed as “safe.” I have a lot more confidence in JS & PC to draft more effectively than TR. I think my grandmother could draft better than him.

    I am really hoping they’ll somehow package Curry in some type of trade, especially with the couple guys they drafted coming in.

    Bring on FA and football!!!

  5. Dukeshire says:

    It’s funny to me that some are trying to reason with ACIB about his Curry hatred. His handle here is AaronCurryisBust, for god sakes! lol. Reminds me of Big Lebowski, only in reverse;

    “Dude… You’re being very unDude-like.”

  6. mquinn73 says:

    Great job, Eric.

    Those interviews are very interesting and you’ve made this blog the place to be (again) for a real insight into the Seahawks. Post-Sando and before you took charge, it had become a wasteland of infrequent updates and hackneyed comments from many posters….. alot of people like myself just ‘checked-out’ and went elsewhere, but it’s good to see that Seahawks Insider is relevant again. Congratulations on turning it around!!

  7. IBGoofy says:

    ME? I’m with BobbyK …. Very, very “happy” about our first two picks of “need”… The OL is the core of every team, outside of QB, like it or not… Only time will tell if we got it right, but based on the use we got of last yr’s later picks, gotta expect some surprises also of our later picks and success from our first two…
    We have a full year (maybe two) before we can really get pretty optimistic…. This draft is part of that foundation….
    I can’t help but wonder about Trufant….. Is he gone based on our draft????
    Is Durham the real thing? Possibly a game breaker?
    Will Legree be a starter or be intimidated? Clearly a huge amount of talent

  8. JTClark says:

    I posted this on another thread, but I wanted to get some input here as well. It seems to me like Carroll and Schneider went after guys with a lot of versatility who can play multiple positions. For instance:

    Carpenter plays tackle, but also projects well at guard.

    Moffitt started the majority of his college career at guard, but also played some games at center.

    Sherman played two years as a WR before switching to CB.

    Maxwell is a corner, but has also been projected at safety due to his size.

    Levingston played both DE and DT at LSU.

    Smith is primarily a linebacker, but I’ve seen talk about him being converted to a strong safety.

  9. IBGoofy says:

    JT… my 2 cents is that what you are pointing out has really clouded the evaluation of our overall draft…. Outside of the ‘size’ issue, there is a clear aspect of ‘nasty’ thrown into many explanations…. One aspect not mentioned, is intelligence…. our draft selections appear to reflect proven diversity which, from my experience at least, one needs both athleticism (which most all the athletes have to a pretty above avg degree), but also pretty decent or above avg intelligence…. Hard to evaluate until seen within the scheme they are working with, but IMOHA, lots of upside…..

  10. People having Durham rated wrong is not supprising since his production and fellow team mate were at opposite ends of the scout interest spectrum. That also explains the lack of a combine invite.

    I’ve heard him discribed as a “better Urban”, who btw, is still in the Chiefs system (IR?). I don’t think Durham will just be a BMW back-up long term but in the first year, yeah probably. Almost all rookie wide outs need at least a year to get comfortable with the caliber and types of coverages that come their way. Red Zone target and BMW injury insurance is his floor for now.

    Curry is on the wrong team/scheme to reach his potential but that does in no way make him a bust. I always viewed him as a ILB in a 3-4.

  11. ruminator1 says:

    i hope they ban ACIB from this site too. who wants to hear ad naseum his opinion. he has given it. why punish us by repeating it? we didn’t choose Curry. some agree with ACIB, many do not, most i think are waiting. regardless, enough already.

  12. Palerydr says:

    I read a post from somebody somewhere this past weekend that someone who endlessly bashed on Curry was banned from a few sites. Unfortunately unless he makes a blatant racist remark here we are stuck with his idiotic ranting.

    Me personally I hope Curry comes of age next year and plays well. I’m not looking for Pro Bowl numbers but solid play would be great. We have so many holes to fill as well as develop quality backups that 1 draft just isn’t gonna do it. If I were a DB or LB on this team then you have been put on notice your job is up for …. remember Pete’s mantra…. COMPETITION!

  13. pabuwal says:

    Imagine what we would hear if Curry was as bad as Vernon Ghoulston.

    Curry is a player with great talent without the on field results but very slowly improving. Problem is he is playing for a bad defensive coordinator.

  14. nighthawk2 says:

    Personally I don’t think Curry has lived up to even 1st round pick standards, let alone the 4th pick in the draft. I’d be in favor of packaging him in a trade, presuming we ever get a new CBA and a 2011 season.

  15. BobbyK says:

    If you look at the #2, 3, and 4 pick in ’09… they all pretty much suck equally (of which Curry is included). A. Smith isn’t much better at #6 overall (but there’s more potential in him than the other knuckleheads). And the #7 pick is about as bad as Ghoulston. Boy, #11 is about as pathetic as you can get, too. That was a pretty crappy draft, at least as far as the early 1st round is concerned.

  16. HawksKD says:

    Haven posted on here in a while but here are my thoughts on the draft:

    Carpenter: Was a necessary reach. He was obviously “the guy” they targeted from the get go. From what I’ve read he was the most versitile tackle who excelled in passblocking and played more sound at guard than Carimi or Costanzo. Stronger and more technically sound than Solder. It’s good that he excells in passblocking because we need not worry if Okung gets injured. Apparantly struggles with complexities of stunts and diversions but will probably be further along in recognition considering playing in the SEC

    Moffitt – A mauler with attitude that were banking on to be the vocal leader of this line of soft spoken bookends. Needs to work on strength to hold a point but seemed to excell when driving forward for the run. Another necessary reach that wouldn’t have been there by the time we go a chance to roll our dice. Great job I’ll say to the brass being able to accumulate more talent and still getting their guy.

    With the position of our picks and the way the draft rolled we weren’t able to make any splashy homerun hits but we aquired immediate starters. Which is what you should be doing in the first 3 rounds.

    We had reaches on both but necessary reaches to get their guy. I fully believe carpenter was dialed into GB or Pitt draft board.

  17. Palerydr says:

    Unless we eat some of that contract we are not gonna be able to trade Curry.

  18. IBGoofy says:

    Does anyone recall the specifics surrounding the early Curry fine(s)? Seems he was playing with some ‘attitude’ until then (1st couple of games), and after he was never the same….

  19. HawksKD says:

    KJ Wright – Very interesting pick of a curry mold. I wonder if he may be used as strong side LB allowing curry play primarily LEO and do what he does best. In essence I believe this pick was used to provide depth to our pass rush and LEO position.. Essentially a pick to help bolster our DL.

    Durham – Another very interesting pick of Mike Williams mold with some speed. Great hands, Good speed. Put money in the bank that this guy is a workhorse having been overshadowed for so long. I do think that he was definitely a reach as he is a raw product. A type of project that is usually chanced in the 5th round and on IF they are still there. I think this pick actually shows that they do trust Charlie more than we do and will be comfortable moving through the season as #1 QB

    Again I think in this round we adressed our “DL” in an abstract sort of way and aquired a project reciever. On that we have plenty of. I think RD.4 was the seahawks weakest round.

  20. HawksKD says:

    Sherman, Maxwell, and Legree –

    Well its no secret that we will be a similar secondary to greenbay. Big strong physical corners who excell in re-routing and breaking timing paired with play making ball hawking safeties. We give up the mold of a run support safety by loading up on corners who are very strong in run support.

    Sherman looks to be a perfect mold of a RCB in this system what he lacks in coverage abilities He makes up for in size and athleticism with great hands to challenge WR.

    Baxter – could make an excellent fit for nickel back. Quickly diagnoses run and pretty good change of direction immediate ST player as 4th/5th round should be

    Legree – Gem of the draft for the hawks. Excellent speed and change of directions. Perfect pairing with Earl Thomas as both are ballhawks and both can provide run support.

    Again Hawks are immediatley forming their identity in the secondary and offensive play. 5th round will be the Hawks strongest most “analyst friendly” round 6th and on including Baxter will have to work to make this team and will be low invested possibly high return projects.

  21. OCHawkFan says:

    How about this for a trade….

    Curry played at Wake Forest, so we trade him back home to the Panthers for Clauson and a 4th rounder. We get rid of Curry and pick up a young QB to compete with Whitehurst.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    HawksKD – I have similar thoughts regarding Legree. The possibilities of he and Thomas on the back end are exciting. As an example; I envision using Legree as a SS. However, as either one can rotate to a single deep and play “centerfield”, if the TE goes in motion to the left side, ET rotates up into the box and ML rotates deep. The coverage and blitz possibilities that opens up are endless (well, not really, but you understand). Teams trying to take advantage and overload the ‘Hawks weak side have just been neutralized (and I believe this is much closer to what Carroll really wants to do with his scheme). Let’s not forget that Milloy’s highest interception totals of his career came while Carroll was his HC in NE. (3,6,4 respectively.)

    As much as I like Chancellor, I believe Legree is a far better fit in Carroll’s under scheme.

  23. Palerydr says:

    They just announced that Osama bin Laden was shot and killed by US forces. Apparently he was found by tracing his IP address to a user name of AaronCurryisbust :)

  24. ruminator1 says:
  25. Canfan says:

    Great moment — hearing that bin Laden is dead.

  26. BrianHawk says:

    Like the idea of the interview, but hopefully you can get a mic setup that is better next time.

  27. BobbyAyala says:

    Really? Doug Farrar? Well, I think it’s time to give Danny O’Neil another shot….

    Sad, sad selection to provide cogent Seahawks commentary.

    God Bless our troops and special ops — bin laden is burning in hell.

  28. HawksKD says:

    I like chancellor also. However as a big framed thumper i would expect them to utilize chancellor during obvious run situations to clog up the box and sit over one of the TEs

  29. Dukeshire says:

    BobbyAyala – Were they really trying to convince anyone of anything or simply breaking the Seahawk’s draft down? I believe the latter.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    HawksKD – Perhaps. We’ll know a lot more once camp opens. I was referring to simply their base sets though (and perhaps nickel). But that will be one of the really fun competitions to watch this summer.

    I’m really excited about Byron Maxwell, too. He’s so physical it will be interesting to see how and where they use him, how he develops.

  31. HawksKD says:

    I’ll be doing some amateur reporting on here from VMAC ;) when camp starts again… Hopefully they’ll have a good idea of what they’re thinking about doing. We’ll have to wait until preseason to see Baxter in action

  32. HawksKD says:

    Like someone else said on here… looking forward to:

    Moffit/Carpenter vs Big Red.. We should definitely get a good idea of how our run game is going to start the year.

    Young chaps vs. “grown man strength”

  33. Dukeshire says:

    Look how often Carroll likes to drop the SS into a single deep or coverage vs various formations and in certain blitz packages. This was much more difficult last year with an older Milloy a liability in coverage. Think of having two “centerfielders” at SS and FS, Legree and Thomas respectively. The mind boggles with delight…

    http://trojanfootballanalysis.com/?p=311

  34. Dukeshire says:

    oops… or *cover 3* vs…

  35. rgbuckl says:

    You know, they still have Josh Pinkard, Marcus Brown, and now Brandon Browner–the best CB in the CFL. Pinkard was out on the IR last year, but fits the same mold in the form of 6-1 218 and from USC.

    So, we go from a weak secondary group–and at this point–it will be interesting to see who will even make the team! Man, do they need to end all this legal crap, so we can get those OTAs going and find out what we’ve got and how some of the college and CFL experience will translate to the NFL. One thing for sure, we will have a nice young core of DBs for years to come!

  36. AaronCurryIsBUST says:

    Yes, because I seem to be the only person who recognizes Aaron Curry is obviously a bust, I must certainly be Osama bin Laden. Drats, I’ve been found out!

  37. HawksKD says:

    ACIB is just a chump that has been removed from various other blogs..

    The sad thing is ACIB actually has information worth hearing when he is not aimlessly trolling or attention like a 15 year old girl at the mall. Which unfortunately is 90% of his posts

  38. HawksKD says:

    Amazing article Duke.. Great insight to how our defensive scheme works

  39. SideWalk_Hawk says:

    These guys (pete and john) know their business. I like what they’ve done in the draft. Will it produce 10 wins and a Superbowl appearance this year? I doubt it. But I also doubt they are nieve enough to believe that one draft is going to fix all of this teams problems.

    Face it folks. The Hawks had been driven into the ditch when Pete and John got to town. If we have a terrible year with CW at QB, fine. I think these guys know how to build a team up. Give them a top 10 in the ’12 draft and I think we start to look real tough going forward.

  40. Dukeshire says:

    rgbuckl – Browner’s another guy that will be interesting to see how they use him. 6’3″ 210lbs or some such. This has to be one of the biggest collections (size-wise) of corners in the NFL.

  41. chuck_easton says:

    Well,

    I do have some insider information on Browner since he’s not only from the CFL but he is also a former Calgary Stampeder (my adopted hometown but I root for the Saskatchewan Roughriders).

    Browner is was a shutdown Corner with good hitting ability in the pass happy CFL.

    He’s big, fast, and mean. If his game translates to the NFL watch out. He could push for a starting job or, at least, the nickel DB.

    I also wouldn’t be shocked to see them working Browner out at SS. He’s build for it.

  42. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Nice. When they first signed him, I too was thinking SS. They have some versatility on the back end that I haven’t seem have before (at least on paper).

    It would shock me to see Jennings and Babs re-signed at this point.

  43. HawkyHann says:

    Rob Rang smokes everybody. He should easily take Mel Kiper’s spot.

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