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Hawks announce Tatupu has surgery on both knees

Post by Eric Williams on Jan. 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm with 108 Comments »
January 27, 2011 2:47 pm
Seattle Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu (TNT file photo)

The Seattle Seahawks announced this afternoon that linebacker Lofa Tatupu had successful surgery on both knees today.

Team doctors Ed Khalfayan and Mike McAdam handled the procedure at Seattle Surgery Center.

Tatupu had been regularly taking practices off throughout the season to rest his ailing knees. This is the second season the veteran linebacker has needed surgery. Last year the 28-year-old’s season was cut short because of a torn left pectoral muscle and only played in five games last year.

The Seahawks also announced the signing of defensive tackle Jay Alford, safety James Brindley and wide receiver Chris Carter to futures contracts.

A third-round pick out of Penn State by the New York Giants in 2007, the 6-foot-3, 304-pound Alford played in 32 regular season games with 3 starts and played in 5 postseason contests.

Brindley, a 5-foot-11, 191-pound safety out of Utah State, spent OTAs with Seattle and was released during training camp.

Carter is a 6-foot, 200-pound receiver out of Cal-Davis who worked out for Seattle earlier this month.

Also, Matt Hasselbeck and New York Jets cornerbacback Antonio Cromarite had words on twitter today.

Cromartie had harsh words for the NFL Players Association, calling out NFLPA head man DeMaurice Smith and league commissioner Roger Goodell for the lack of progress in the current CBA negotiations.

That led to criticism from players like Ray Lewis and Darnell Docket of Cromartie, including Matt Hasselbeck, who had this to say about Cromartie:

“Somebody ask Cromartie if he knows what CBA stood for.”

That comment was later deleted by Hasselbeck, but not before Cromartie got word about it, who then fired back.

“Hey Matt if u have something to then say it be a man about it. Don’t erase it. I will smash ur face in.”

– Antonio Cromartie

Hasselbeck later came back and offered this olive branch.

“Sorry for the joke man. No hard feelings. DB’s & QB’s have a hard time getting along I guess sometimes. lol”

– Matt Hasselbeck.

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  1. Sarcasticus says:

    I wish Tatupu a speedy recovery. I wonder how much his knee issues deprived him of his ability to really drive through tackles. Too many times did I see him hit the hole and either bounce off the back or hang on for a ride.

    Now, I am just waiting on word to come down that Trufant is having something done with his back. This would help explain why he started off so well and then was non-existent for most of the year.

  2. This explains quite a bit. However, does anyone what kind of knee surgery he had? His play clearly dipped from where he was at the begining of the season and it was almost painful watching him in that Bears game. This is one tough guy and I’d be more than happy for him to have a speedy recovery and be our MLB again in 2011.

  3. Cromartie is so stupid/worthless, he probably can’t count to the number of how many kids he has. I think a bunch of them are even about the same age. What a douche. Try being a father instead of a threatening scumbag playing on your twitter account.

  4. Cromartie: “I will smash ur face in.”

    Okung, “What did you say?”

  5. SandpointHawk says:

    The Zorn thing baffles me to say the least…
    The double knee surgery explains a lot…
    What a bummer that recovery process will be…
    One tough guy is right….
    Get well soon Tats….

  6. Interesting. Aren’t we looking for a QB coach right now? I’d like to have Zorn back in Seattle where he belongs.

  7. bird_spit says:

    From the Hass’ point of view, having Jom Zorn back would be huge. He would help a lot given that we are going WCO, and have a couple of newbie QB’s to the system. The communication with Hass would be almost automatic given the time they shared together. I couldnt imagine a better QB coach for the situation the Hawks are in. That said, a might be in Cleveland already.

  8. “Cromartie: “I will smash ur face in.”

    Okung, “What did you say?”"

    Love that. And from the way #76 handled himself this year – - seems very true.

    I wonder how many miles Lofa has left? Hopefully he can come back from this at full speed; but I’m not all that optimistic.

  9. Unfortunately, Lofa is a pitbull in a chihuahua’s body. Wish we could drop Lofa’s brain into Curry’s body.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    So if Zorn is fired does that mean he can collect the rest of his contract from the Ravens and from the Redskins? How sweet it is to be fired in the NFL.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    Eric – Since the Giant game, we’ve read about Lofa missing practice(s) because of his knee, not knees. Is this an example of how you (meaning the beat guys) are only allowed to report what is part of the official injury report? Or was this a situation that was genuinely hidden from all? Or did you guys miss it (Understand, I’m not criticizing in any way. Only trying to better understand how the process works.)

    Cromartie’s not worthless, he’s a hell of a CB. But he is a dumbbell, as anyone who has heard him interviewed can attest. And apparently, he’s a classic internet coward. I’d love to see him tell Matt eye-to-eye he’d “smash his (ur) face in”. It’s laughable. Perhaps if Cromartie didn’t have 7 kids with 5 different women (and behind on child support payments) he would be so worried about the CBA getting done and collecting his check.

  12. Notice Cromartie didn’t say s*&* to Ray Lewis? Sounds like another a fun-filled episode of Bully Beatdown in the making.

    Anyone see Michael Westbrook kick ass on that show?!

  13. Dukeshire says:

    By the way, Fisher and the Titans part ways. That is a franchise in free-fall. Maybe they should have held on to VY…

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/27/titans-jeff-fisher/

  14. bird_spit – ditto on Zorn, WCO & Matt. Hope PC & JS can bring Zorn back home. Matt is too cool.

    Jeff Fisher won’t have a long wait o get another job.

  15. Tat’s knees were scoped. Shouldn’t be a long recovery/lay off (unless NFLPA & NFL owners can’t get off the dime.)

  16. Duke – what do you think about Colin Kaepernick? Looks like he should be available around number 25.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    If they took him at 25 I would be furious. (And then hopefully had to eat crow 3 years later.) But I see him as a very high risk project whose reward doesn’t outweigh that.

  18. The thing is he won’t be available at number 57.

  19. Soggybuc says:

    Of course Cromartie knows what CBA is. in his world it stands for “Condom Broke Again”.

  20. Duke: Cromartie has 9 kids, 8 women, 6 states.

    He’s a loser. I used to respect him from a talent perspective, but his arrogance ever since he started playing for the jets ruined it.

  21. Soggybuc…That’s funny!

  22. Hawks ’11 FAs:
    QBs: Hasselbeck & Losman
    RB: Washington
    WR: Stokley
    OL: Locklear, Spencer, Willis, Polumbus, Hamilton
    DL: Mebane, Wyche
    LB: Hill
    CBs: Jennings, Cox
    Ss: Milloy
    PK: Mare

    ’12 FAs
    QB: Whitehurst
    RB: Forsett
    TEs: Carlson, Baker
    DL: Bryant
    LB: Hawthorne

    ’13 FAs
    RB: Lynch
    WR: Butler
    TE: Morrah
    OL: Unger
    DL: Clemons, Balmer

    ’14 FAs
    WR: Tate
    DL: Cole, Wilson
    CBs: Tru, Thurmond
    S: Chancellor

    ’15 FAs
    WRs: Williams, Obo
    OL: Andrews
    LB: Curry
    S: Thomas

    ’16 FAs
    OL: Okung
    LB: Tatupu
    P: Ryan

    JS has lotsa room to move in FA & draft this year, but without a new CBA he’s blocked. FAs were blocked by the 6-yr RFAs last season and if no new CBA ’till late in the offseason or into TC this season, they’ll just be lookin at bringing back their own players. Then for ’12-’16 there aren’t the number of players (salories) available to make many big moves in FA. The draft is really about what we’ve got to work with.

  23. good list KLM, thanks.

    Raheem Brock is a FA this off-season too, right?

    I didn’t realize Jennings was a FA, I wonder if he’ll be back. Glad we have Clemons signed for a couple more years.

  24. bird_spit says:

    Where is Pitt’s contract?

  25. Cable’s OAK FA OLers:
    RT Khalif Barnes 6-5/325
    LG Robert Gallery 6-7/325
    RT Mario Handerson 6-7/300
    C Samson Satele 6-3/300
    Also, RB M.Bush 6-1/245 (really wish Hawks could land this Bush)

  26. Cromartie is worthless. If he fell off the face of the earth, the world would probably be a better place. I don’t care if he was the words fastest jelly bean eater either. That wouldn’t mask the fact that he’s worthless.

  27. Oops, some players got kinda lost in the shuffle, add to the above list: OG Chester Pitts is a FA now, as are C Chris White, WR Ruvell Martin, RB Michael Robinson, DE Raheem Brock, DT Craig Terrill, DT Jr Siavii, OLB Matt McCoy, FS Jordan Babineaux, OLB Will Herring, DE Jay Richardson, WR Isaiah Stanback, and CB Roy Lewis.

  28. I always assumed a “classy” guy would disregard the words of someone who is a “stupid fool” or at the very least not poke fun of the “stupid fool’s” perceived lack of intelligence in a public forum.

  29. Seahawks2620 says:

    I don’t know anything about Jay Alford, but after looking at his stats, he is definitely a solid addition. 2.5 sacks, just a year ago. Pretty decent.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Eric, is there any word on when Matt gets that cast off his hand?

  31. Seahawks2620 says:

    He is also the kid who put Brady on his ass in the Super Bowl four years ago.

  32. pabs – you assume way too much :)

  33. bayareahawkfan says:

    I know Pabs is mostly joking, but for one I’ve always liked this “punk-assed” side of Matt. I want this edge in a quarterback. It sure came back to haunt him in that GB game (something I’m sure he wishes he’d not said), but this is the same thing that causes him to get in a DL’s face after a dirty play, or in his teammates’ faces when they’re lollygagging back to the huddle.

    There’s a story down here in SF Mike McCarthy (then SF QB coach) tells about sitting in on the Niners’ due diligence with both Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers in ’05, when Nolan was the franchise czar. Basically Nolan asked Smith to do some stupid drill which had nothing to do with football (like jump around and act like a monkey or somethihng equally odd), and he did it without hesitation. Rodgers, when faced with the request, refused, asking what the **** it had to do with his ability to play football.

    Nolan cited Smith’s response as a critical factor in taking him #1 overall, because he wanted a QB who would follow orders without questioning, however crazy.

    McCarthy’s point (very funny now in hindsight, given where he is, and who his QB is) was that it’s exactly that “vinegar” that you want out of your QB, because you can’t play the game for him, and to be good he has to be able to become the General on the field. I’ve heard Steve Young reference this story more an once on local radio as they’ve worried the A. Smith story over the years, and he’s also made the point that it’s this quality in Hass that he feels is a large part of what Matt brings to the position.

    So as usual, Pabs, we agree to disagree. I’m not sayin’, but I’m just sayin’… :) .

  34. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – If Kaepernick were available at 157 I might have some interest but IMO, he’s not worth passing on other, more immediate impact players.

    RADEoN – Goodness sakes! That’s worse than what I thought I knew. No wonder he wants the deal done. lol

    Hass is a player rep for the union, so I’m sure he doesn’t want another player (who very likely has no idea what he’s talking about) talking out about getting a deal done. Besides, since when has Matt not been a smart ass? Always, as far as I can tell. (In addition, it was a funny line.)

  35. SeahawkFan12 says:

    I love Matt calling a punk-ass like Cromartie out. He probably has little understanding of what is going on, and its his profession. Pure conjecture on my part of course, but I still love Matt’s comments…hilarious!

  36. Cromartie has summer kids. Lots of them.

    Some are here. Some are there.

    At this rate, he will have caught Travis Henry by next fall!

  37. Dukeshire says:

    Lol. He’s in Shawn Kemp territory, right now.

  38. LOL, Soggybuc!

    Hass shouldn’t have been so quick to apologize. Especially after the “smash ur face” line.

  39. “Wish we could drop Lofa’s brain into Curry’s body”

    LOL! You got that right, Audible! :-)

    Let’s hope these knee surgeries clean things up and extend Lofa’s playing days a bit. These docs do wonders these days…

  40. — Free Agents I want to see re-signed, in order of priority:
    Mebane
    Washington
    Mare
    Hasselbeck
    Stokley
    Brock
    Spencer

    — Free Agents I Do Not want to see re-signed:
    Jennings
    Locklear
    Babineaux
    Terrill

    – Players to retire:
    Milloy (a great leader, but its over)

    — Players who must show offseason improvement, or be shown the door:
    Curry
    Tate
    Pitts
    Andrews
    Polumbus
    Gibson

  41. “Wish we could drop Lofa’s brain into Curry’s body”

    Tomorrow’s headline: “Hawks announce Curry has surgery on frontal lobe.”

  42. Dukeshire says:

    I thought Polumbus and Gibson performed admirably. Not that they ought to be considered starters headed into ’11, but they could do worse than have them coming off the bench again, in the event of injury.

  43. Dukeshire says:

    Frontal lobe… lol

  44. I meant no disrespect to Polumbus or Gibby – they each did a heck of a job at the end of the year. That said, all those guys in my “must show offseason improvement” category are just that – guys who must keep improving, and probably can.

    In the case of Pitts, he probably come back much stronger next year since his leg was in a cast and weakened only months before season began. In the case of Andrews, he needs to respond to Cable’s coaching and prove why he was once a starting RT with promise. Curry needs to take another step mentally and spend more time watching film and understanding the game. And Tate needs to pull his head out and learn his routes.

    But I actually have hopes for all those guys. I just threw those lists up there for a conversation piece, to see what you guys have to say about it.

  45. “The Seahawks also announced the signing of wide receiver Chris Carter to future contract.”

    According to my research, Cris Carter is 46 years old! But he’s been to 8 Pro Bowls, so what the heck. sign him up!

  46. IdahoHawk says:

    C. Kap will be a bust at the QB position. Better fit for the wild cat. Not a lead your team deep into the playoffs.

  47. maddog12 says:

    Fisher is let go from Tenn….wonder where the ex trojan could end up? He was a DC before HC. Should Bradley be nervous?.

  48. seahawklovertoo says:

    To paraphrase BobbyK from previus post : I’ll jeeze
    my pants if we can land Fisher as our coach.

  49. Sarcasticus says:

    I can understand Cromartie’s frustration. However, I don’t agree with how he is expressing it.

    He did respond to Dockett and Lewis.

    From ESPN: “I don’t give a who about Ray Lewis or [Darnell Dockett] talking about what I said,” Cromartie said in a message posted on his Twitter account, according to the New York Daily News.

    “There’s 10′s of thousand ppl who will lose jobs. They taking our healthcare away and for players that have surgery can’t even get rehab once March 3rd gets here.”

    I am not sure what 10′s of thousands of people he is referring to. Perhaps he assumes the NFL is going to shut down forever (which is unrealistic), or perhaps he thinks that thousands of people will lose their jobs only to regain them when the CBA is finalized (requires too much nuance). Then again, he could simply be making a generalized statement about our economy (unrealistic on my part).

    On a side note, I always find it absurd when people use “UR” in their texts. Is it so time consuming to find the “Y” and “O” buttons? They are all on the top row within six buttons of one another. However, it is quite amusing if you actually read it as “you” and “are” as in “I will smash you are face in.” At which point, Matt should have responded with “All Your Bases Are Belong to Us.”

  50. He doesn’t care about Lewis or Dockett because he knows they could beat him up. He’s a full fledged coward who will only talk back to someone he could acutally beat up (a QB).

    Either way, Cromartie is a fool. It’s too bad that his Mom and Dad had to mate on that night or the world would actually be a better place today.

  51. bulldog80 says:

    Man I hate to see Fisher on the open market when we don’t need a HC. It’s certainly unexpected. If there was a chance to land him as a DC it should be a no brainer. Let me think…..Gus, or Fisher…………hum? It take allof a second to send Gus packin.

    I think the Zorn firing was to demote Cam. Flacco played horribly in the playoffs and Cam’s playcalling in the Stealer game was a joke. Both of those guys should have some answering to do. We shouldn’t be hearing anymore talk of Flacco being an elite QB.

  52. I wouldn’t automatically pick Cromartie to beat up Hasselbeck either.

    Matt can be pretty scrappy, he’s much smarter, and he’s not exactly a small dude at 6’4″ and 227 lbs. Cromartie is 6’2″ and 211 lbs. The loudmouths are usually the ones that get their asses kicked.

    Why would Fisher take a position as a DC when there are plenty of teams looking for a HC? Can anyone make a case for that happening?

  53. PA gives him an offer he cant refuse?

  54. Sando listed top 25 FAs in NFCW. 11 of them are from the Hawks. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest He sez he thinks it’s by design, it gives JS more room to wheel and deal this offseason. But, if there’s a lockout how can JS sign anybody from another team? No CBA, no free agency?

  55. It’s nice having such a wealthy owner, but I doubt money alone will buy his services.

    Besides, it’s unlikely that PA would pay him more than Carroll and other teams desperate for a coach, just to have him as our DC for a year or two until he lands another HC gig.

    I think he’s overqualified for the job.

  56. Dukeshire says:

    I would be really surprised if Fisher took any job this year. I envision him taking a year, maybe two to re-charge a bit. In addition, I can’t envision him being interested in a DC job. He’ll be in demand as a HC and giving up control for any amount of money as Audible says, would seem odd.

  57. Yeah, good point Duke. He’ll be sitting with Cowher and Dungy in the broadcast booth next year.

  58. bulldog80 says:

    “Why would Fisher take a position as a DC when there are plenty of teams looking for a HC? Can anyone make a case for that happening?”

    Plenty of teams? Which ones?

  59. Texans, Jags, Dolphins, Giants, Bengals, Chargers.

  60. Those are just the teams who haven’t fired their current coaches yet.

  61. Those are the teams rumored to be considering coaching changes who haven’t done anything yet.

  62. It’s too late in the season to be getting Fisher for a HC, unless SF asks Harbaugh to go back to college. There’s rumors that Fischer may become DC for PHI, and not GB’s Darren Perry. What’s more interesting to me is that Dick LeBeau’s contract is up at the end of the season too. I know he’s said he’s never gonna leave PIT, but could AZ’s Whiz talk him into coaching the Cards D?

  63. Kinda off subject, based on our blog direction, but the Hawks have an addition, a bit different for sure in a guy announced in my current back yard, St Petersberg Times made the call…. Actually 2 players, if we ever get to a training period this year…. Here’s the link:….

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/237320.asp

  64. bird_spit says:

    Kinda bummed about Engram.. I hate not rooting for him.

  65. The TE Caz that we signed may have been the first move by Cable, which the article over at Field Gulls sort of implies comparing by him to Khalif Barnes:

    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/1/26/1957812/seahawks-sign-caz-piurowski

  66. Engram vs Stokley, … Yes?

    Bird called it…. not rooting for him will be difficult…..

    Course, Stokley isn’t a player under contract yet…. Our
    OC may not feel he’s needed as much as Hass might….

    With all the CBA stuff, If it was me, I’d be bringin’ Mr Stokley back….

  67. At this stage in the game, I don’t see Engram sticking in SF. It’s almost like Alvin Davis trying to play for the Mariners. Of course, that “offense” is something else. Maybe Davis could still do better than what they have got.

  68. Audible, didn’t get the connection like you have on Caz to Cable, though you may be perfectly correct, it just seemed like a ‘classic’ JS move to me….

    I wonder if JS ever sleeps? LOL!

  69. Eric… Kiddin’ around about John Schneider (JS) in my last post, but it got me to wondering how many report to him direct…. could you help us out on that???? Thx…

  70. Sarcasticus says:

    I think all the digs at Cromartie about his children is a bit absurd; especially since he is doing his part to field a team in house to help out the CBA.

  71. SandpointHawk says:

    John Morgan is so out to lunch. Why would we sigh a 270# tight end to convert to tackle? We need tight ends at this point in time….I’m so confused….

  72. Dukeshire says:

    I like how Morgan says definitively he was signed to play tackle, too. Like he’s privy to information none of us are. And because he bounced between tackle and TE in college leaves him with no options but to be converted into a tackle full time. I used to frequent that site quite a bit, but over the past couple years I’ve really grown to dislike it. All the assumptions and parroting of JM is all a bit too much for me. To each his own…

  73. Sarcasticus,

    You’re in rare form today, my sarcastic friend.

  74. freedom_X says:

    After 16 years, why wouldn’t Fisher just pull a Cowher/Gruden and just take a year or two off? There will be plenty of HC opportunities in the future, and Fisher will have his pick. If I were he, I wouldn’t take a coordinator job unless I couldn’t stand having a break and wanted to keep coaching no matter what.

  75. Mocks again:
    Kiper has SEA picking Mallert @ 25, just to make BobbyK happy, and
    Rang has us taking Pouncey, who’d make me happy. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest

  76. I have us taking Charlie Whitehurst in the 3rd! Whoa, what’s that you say…he already has several years experience on an NFL and has one a key game to help the hapless Seahawks make it to the playoffs? All the better! Go Charlie!

  77. Again about Tatupu, which number was his concussion this year? That wasn’t his first?

  78. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Tatupu has at least two and Trufant has at least two concussions. One or two more and it’s out the door.

    Pouncey would be great in round one followed by Mason foster in round two.I would be happy with a defensive lineman also.

  79. klm – I like the talent of Mallett but he’s not a fit for our offense. I’m off that bandwagon. If Bates were still here, I’d be okay with him (if the character concerns weren’t legit — as I’ve said before, you can’t have a moron at QB; at least I don’t want one).

    I’m on the offensive line bandwagon (which I’ve been on 99.5% of the past 5 years).

    In a perfect world, we trade down a time or two or three and add picks before drafting a couple of offensive linemen in the 2nd round. Maybe we can add a couple of 4th round QBs and one of them will actually turn out? The extra ammo of trading down from #25 may make that a realistic scenario.

    Of course, signing a Ryan Kalil and Logan Mankins combo would throw a much welcomed wrench into those draft plans. Three studs side-by-side-by side (Okung-Mankins-Kalil) would be like a dream come true.

    Add a fullback that can actually block a bit above average (I don’t think stone hands Robinson is an average to above average blocker). Actually, screw that, get a fullback that is a really good blocker and let him lead Lynch over the left side of Okung, Mankins, and Kalil in short yardage situations and never worry about being soft pansies that can’t gain a yard when we need to.

    Purely speculation of course… but I wonder if the lack of Mebane contract negotiations have anything to do with Haloti Ngata becoming a FA? I know he’s said he wants to stay in Baltimore, but with him having ties to the Northwest, from his college days at Oregon, I wonder if we’d be a team he’d consider. You never know.

  80. Dukeshire says:

    With no CBA agreement, I think it’d be unlikely that teams are “counting” on other players becoming available. Besides, they’d still need a 3-tech if they were to pursue Ngata in lieu of re-signing Mebane.

  81. bayareahawkfan says:

    Lol looks like Matt’s teammates know him pretty well – Big Walt’s response via twitter to Cromartiegate:

    @Hasselbeck there you go 8, jokin up on a a$& whippin. Lmao

  82. chuck_easton says:

    engram signed with the 9rs to be an offensive assistant on the coaching staff. He’s not a player for them

  83. Sarcasticus says:

    “Kiper has SEA picking Mallert @ 25″ – backup Duck’s qb?

  84. With 6 sacks (Mebane once had 5.5) I was wondering if Mr. Happy had some extra creativity up his sleeves with Ngata and Cole both starting (even though Ngata is certainly not the poster child for his 3-tech). He changed his plans/expectations a bit with Big Red and he does believe in stopping the run first and foremost. Again, purely unfounded speculation. There isn’t much else to do these days. lol

  85. Dukeshire says:

    Ngata had a similar breakout year this season like Mebane in ’08 (sack wise). I’m just not sure Carroll would abandon the 3-tech position as part of his defensive scheme. But what the hell, like you said, nothing else to talk about right now I suppose…

    And Quinn / Carroll deserve a ton of credit for seeing Red’s potential as strong side DE, no question.

  86. No doubt. Nothing else to talk about. We could talk about how bad our offensive line sucks some more, I suppose. :) lol

  87. One problem with Mebane at the 3-tech is that he simply does not get the job done rushing the passer. He’s not good at it. That’s a position that requires getting some pressure (especially under Mr. Happy since the 5-tech and Big Red, at least on early downs, at LDE are not going to get sacks).

    However, Mebane at stuffing the run is one elite dude. The penetration he gets in the run game is almost unbelievable.

    In our current system, we have a defensive line built NOT to get pressure on opposing QBs. However, we have a group of starters that you will NOT run the ball on.

    You will NOT run the ball down the throat of Cole, Mebane, or Big Red. However, each of those guys will not get you many sacks each year either. At least Big Red, I noticed, could get push and collapse the pocket (even if it didn’t end up in sacks) from his position whereas Cole and Mebane can’t even get much of a push, especially Cole (which is more understandable from a 5-tech).

    I would not be surprised to see us spend and early/mid round pick on a pass rushing DT (even if he’s undersized) to partner with Mebane (assuming he’s resigned).

    Maybe in that scenario, we’d see some Mebane at 5-tech in pass rushing situations (that’s where he had his best sack season in ’08).

    The biggest thing a line of Cole-Mebane-Bryant needs is an Asomugha type of 1-on-1 CB who can blanket an opposing WR; exactly like the Redskins used to do with Darrell Green. This would free up more blitzing from Mr. Happy and is exactly what a line of Cole-Mebane-Bryant needs.

  88. Dukeshire says:

    There is no doubt that they need improved interior rush. But, on that weak side it’s incredibly important to have someone that can stop the run also (perhaps moreso). And as good a season as Clemons had, they need a Leo than can get to the QB without the aid of the blitz. I fear Eric’s comments about Mebane “needing a push” sometimes, may be a reason he has not built on that ’08 season. If they do re-sign him, I’d be surprised if it were a deal of any length. That’s a position on the list for the ’12 draft, I’d imagine.

  89. If you try to run on our healthy DL — I will laugh at your futile attempts.

    If you try to pass on our healthy DL – I will pack your QB a picnic basket. He’ll have all the time he wants.

    Where’s the happy medium?

  90. Anybody remember the minimum criteria for drafting a college QB prospect that was discussed about a year ago – where a college quarterback should score at least a 26 on the Wonderlic (given at the Combine), start 27 games, and complete 60% of his career passes to be considered by NFL teams for drafting?

    Ignoring the Wonderlic for now, of the QBs being discussed, only Gabbert, Dalton, Ponder, and McElroy have passed both the 60% completion percentage and having started 27 games. Locker (53.9%), Mallett (57.8%), Kaepernick (58.2%), and IA’s Ricky Stanzi (59.8%) failed the 60% completion rate. Newton only started 14 games.

    Missouri’s Gabbert 6-5/235 is likely the 1st QB taken, FL ST’s Ponder 6-2.5/222 may be a 2nd rounder, TCU’s Dalton 6-2/213 a 3rd rder, and Bama’s McElroy 6-2/222 may go in 3rd or 4th.

    http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/1/28/1961801/quarterback-drafting-rules-26-27-60

    If you look only at only the C% of the last 2 years of the college QBs career, NV’s Colin Kaepernick 6-4/225 (61.9%), IA’s Ricky Stanzi 6-4/230 (60.2%), Ark’s Ryan Mallett 6-6/238 (60.3%) then pass. Locker 6-2/228 (56.9%) still doesn’t.

    Among college QBs who failed the 60% completion rate were Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, J.P. Losman, Kyle Boller, etc., while Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, D.McNabb, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Phillip Rivers, and other successful NFL QBs were above 60%.

    Among the college QBs who failed the 26 Wonderlic score were Rothlisberger, Favre, & McNabb.

    Of course, among the QBs who failed to have 27 college starts was Mark Sanchez.

    Hawks need a QB of the future. If there was a way of building a QB simulator room and sticking one of these rookies in it for a year, and have him emerge out the other end a Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez, or Matt Stafford while learning SEA’s desired WCO, then they should build it.

  91. Dukeshire says:

    I’ll say this too, if they were get adequate play from their strong side LB, they wouldn’t need such a run dominate LDE. Here’s hoping Red can develop some level of consistent pass rush ability.

  92. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t remember a “minimum criteria” per se, but I think your post illustrates why this is considered a fairly weak QB class.

    And I don’t know that Gabbert is likely to be the first QB taken. Listening to everyone talk about him at the Sr Bowl practices, he’s viewed as an interesting prospect but plenty of skepticism. Tomorrow will be a big day for him. (It will be a bid day for all the QBs. Someone needs to play well and seperate themselves from the pack. It’s there for the taking, no one really shined during the week of practice.)

  93. Duke: Ponder this… do you think that Dalton will be gone by our 2nd pick in the 4th round? That’s almost what I’m hoping for now. Sad.

  94. Early this month DC wanted to trade Haynesworth. Now they’re saying they’re hoping he stays and comes back with a new attitude, ready to play for Shanny. At his Pro-day he was 6-6/317, ran a 4.82 40, and had a 39″ vertical. Now he’s supposedly 350# (the Onion called him just a pile of old hot dogs and melted ice cream). DC probably tried to get Snyder’s money back for him from other teams and got no takers. Losing him meant a lot to TEN’s run-stopping and their pass-D, at least those stats fell off a cliff the following year. If there was a DT like him out there in the draft (6-6/317, 4.82 40) I’d like to see him at the 3-tech. Let Mebane shuttle in backing up @ NT Cole, 5-tech Red, and a new young Haynesworth/Warren Sapp 5-tech.

  95. Haynesworth and Sapp were both very different players; yet both highly effective.

  96. Hope the new DL coach is like the new OL coach.

  97. And yes, Haynesworth and Sapp are very different players, the key want is “highly effective” both stopping the run and pressuring the passer.

    Stopping and thinking about the ’05 DL, Wistrom 4 sacks, Rocky 8.5 sacks/Tubbs 5.5 sacks, Darby 2.5 sacks, Fisher 9 sacks, those guys got lotsa pressure yet stuffed the run, especially in the red zone. They only allowed 5 rushing TDs. The team defense allowed only 18 passing TDs and got 16 picks. Hill got 7.5 sacks himself that season. Hasn’t had a season like it since. SEA hasn’t either. Gotta get some playmakers on both lines. This year we allowed 13 running TDs and 31 passing TDs. Got 12 picks.

    Is it fair to say that by concentrating on the defense, TR managed to destroy both the offense and the defense?

  98. I’m not a TR apologist by any stretch of the imagination (I don’t think anyone crucified him more for losing Hutch — maybe the same, see nighthawk, but not more) but he did have a few things go against his ‘master plan.’

    I remember when TR had a trade worked out to trade our #1 to the Jets for a legit pass rushing specialist (John Abraham). Then he offered him more money than the Falcons (but he wanted to be closer to home). It didn’t work out. Oh, yeah, that crappy #1 turned into Kelly Jennings.

    Instead of having one of the best pass rushing DEs in the NFL we got a skinny CB with no ball skills who isn’t very good. That’s a huge negative. A guy like Abraham is a legit difference maker and we certainly haven’t had a guy like that in a long time.

    With that being said, yes, TR destroyed both units via incompetence. Especially overpaying for average talent (again, I have no problem overpaying for legit elite talent).

  99. vichawkfan says:

    TR sucked, plain and simple. He’s now about to take credit for the Bears making the NFC finals…..guy is a late to the party cling on.

  100. How many times did high talent players turn down TR, and how many times did Hawks end up holding an empty bag because TR had no backup plan?

  101. Dukeshire says:

    Kris Dielman turned him down also.

    But I don’t think it’s fair to say that because TR focused on the D that both offense and defense suffered. (First off, I’m not sure I’d agree he did focus on defense over offense, unless the criteria was 1st round picks.) But what is fair to say IMO, is that he had a marginal eye for talent and failed to see the bigger picture and that’s what doomed this team under his “leadership”. He doesn’t appear to have to ability to see beyond the immediate. This is why in ’05 he was able to add players that made important contributions to that teams’ already very strong core. But as the core of that team either left in FA, or got injured, or play dropped off due to age, he was unable to do anything more than employ patch-work solutions, which does nothing but ultimately leave one with an aged and broken down roster. I’m grateful his dumb ass is gone.

  102. Dukeshire says:

    BobbyK – If I had to guess I’d say he’s still be there but he’s someone whose “stock is rising”, as the blowhards (Tod McShay et al.) love to say. lol

  103. Soggybuc says:

    Now now Bobby, Kelly Jennings is very good at what he does. he stay’s step for step with his man and is always in perfect position for the best view in the stadium of spectacular catches.

  104. Dukeshire says:

    Boy, isn’t that the off-season Jennings mantra?; good coverage, bad ball skills. But he’s shown improvement… Lol, It’s not until September that we remember what a liability he really is and that he hasn’t improved. Like clockwork for 4 seasons, and here it is late January and the cycle will surely repeat itself. I can’t wait to see who rolls that old chestnut out first…

  105. Yes, it is time for the old Kelly Jenning’s deja-vu, isn’t it? Ha. I got fooled too after watching him in training camp in ’09, but never again!

    The good news is that Schneider and Carroll already showed their extreme distaste for short/small CBs. I think Jennings is as good as gone from this team.

  106. nighthawk2 says:

    That’s Hasselsuck’s response to a threat like that? To say he’s sorry? What a wuss.

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