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Morning links: Reaction to Hawks 42-24 loss to Chiefs

Post by Eric Williams on Nov. 29, 2010 at 7:55 am with 37 Comments »
November 29, 2010 7:55 am

Kansas City receiver Dwayne Bowe cuts between Seattle's Walter Thurmond and Earl Thomas (Joe Barrentine/TNT).

Here’s some reaction to Seattle’s 42-24 loss to Kansas City at Qwest Field on Sunday.

Dave Boling of the Tacoma News Tribune says the Seahawks have yet to prove they can physically match up against a good opponent.

More Boling: Not the kind of report card you want to bring home to mom.

With owner Paul Allen on hand, the Seahawks lose their second straight at home. The Seahawks have lost four of the last five by an average of 24 points.

Ryan Divish of The News Tribune writes that Seattle had no answer for Kansas City’s run game.

More Divish: The same goes for Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe.

Receiver Ben Obomanu was one of the few bright spots for Seattle, finishing with five receptions for 159 yards, including an 87-yard catch for a score.

The absence of Mike Williams had a significant impact on Seattle’s offense.

Check out the stats here.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com recaps the game here.

ESPN’s Mike Sando writes that the Seahawks opened the door for the Rams in the NFC West by losing to the Chiefs.

Jerry Brewer of the Seattle Times writes that the Seahawks’ defense is now a major concern.

John Boyle of the Everett Herald writes that the Seahawks have become one dimensional on offense.

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated describes the NFC West race like watching a car wreck – you don’t want to look, but you slow down your car and take a peek anyway.

Kansas City’s Dwayne Bowe and Jamaal Charles make the list of Deion Sanders’ Prim Time Performers.

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  1. We need to root for the Cards tonight. If they win, the Niners will probably be out of the division race.

    However, I’m sure there’s some scenario in which all four teams are in the running for the division title on the last weekend.

  2. CaliSeahawker says:

    I am rooting for the Cardinals tonight to build some momentum, and use that momentum to hopefully demolish the Rams next week in Arizona.

    If SEA loses to SF, I do not care if we gain a game on STL next weekend, we’ll still miss the playoffs.

  3. bulldog80 says:

    I don’t think coaching alone is gonna fix this one. There’s going to have to be some personnel changes as well. Beginning with Balmer, Jennings, and Butler.

    It really sucks that we’re still searching at this point instead of solidifying what we have for the end of the season.

  4. Is this one of the worst teams in franchise history?

  5. SandpointHawk says:

    Prim Time Performers?

  6. bulldog80 says:

    There have been several worst teams than this one. I can remember the season being over by week 4.

  7. yakimahawk says:

    You know it’s funny before the season began everyone was giving their projection of win/loss for the 2010 Hawks season. And the most optimistic was 9-7 the avereage was around 5-6 wins and some were 2-3 wins and now a lot of us are freaking a little about where they are. Let me say this they are 2-3 MORE drafts away from kicking major rear..and they will!! They just do not have the players in the trenches right now. You cant ask a player to something that he totally lacks the talent to do. That being said Its an emabarrasment to watch this defense. That first possession set the tone the for the whole game..I dont want to use Earl Thomas’s name because it pisses Duke off. But our DB’s were out of position on 4 of the 5 passes that Cassel completed and totally missed (whiffed) on tackles..I just want to see all the young guys in the Defensive backfield right now..I iike Lawyer but he is a step or 2 slow and it is hurting the the young Earl somewhat. Anyways’s they have exceeded my expectations this year so far…But it is still tough to watch them get thrown all over the field..

  8. chuck_easton says:

    pabuwal,

    This team doesn’t even qualify as the worst team this Century.

    This team is vastly improved over what was on the field in 2008 and 2009.

    It could also be argued that this current team is better than the 2001-2003 version the Seahawks ran out on the field.

    We won’t even go into the 2-14 years or the days when, as fans, we would be thrilled if the team actually managed to score a single TD during the game.

  9. irrationalexuberance says:

    Personnel changes in full effect:

    Like I mentioned earlier

    Rams = contenders, why Sam Bradford
    Cardinals = non contenders, why Kurt Warner isnt there
    Niners = non contenders, why QB situation

    Let start with the basics, QB’s make or break an offense and Seattle verdict is in. On Hass’ best performance he threw for a ton of yards but 1 TDs in those games. He decision making and bad throws were magnified yesterday, Mike Williams can catch anything hence he makes Hass look good but when you got younger receivers you have to be more on point. Granted there were some drops but lets get realistic Seattle offense isnt going to establish any consistency as long as Hass is the starting QB.

    To avoid this other dance of anti CW of which I am not going to justify Hass horrid play because of CW, He maybe worse than Hass, I dont know, I havent seen enough of him yet, but Hass IS NOT able to play well enough to lead Seattle to comeback victory.

  10. “Is this one of the worst teams in franchise history? ”

    Here’s a line from Brewer’s article: “You can split the 5-6 Seahawks’ first 11 games in half and tell their defensive story. In the first six games, Seattle had a 4-2 record, and the ‘D’ was emerging as a fierce run-stopping unit. The Seahawks were allowing just 77.5 rushing yards per game, which made them the NFL’s second-best run “D” behind Pittsburgh. And they were giving up just 17.8 points per game. And then there are the past five games. The Seahawks are 1-4 over that span and have allowed 171.8 rushing yards and 33.6 points a game. ”

    This team was looking pretty decent after 6 weeks. Injuries happen to every team – but we just didn’t have the depth to keep our play at a high level. I do think the new management will make this better over the next couple years.

  11. Plus, Pabuwal, it’s looking like the Bears are going to win 10 games; so we’ll at least have that road win against a 10-win team, to mess up one of the gloomier statistics you used to raise . . .

  12. Due to the turnovers, I’d say Hass had one of his poorer days yesterday – but this loss is not on him – our Defense was pitiful – you don’t beat anyone giving up 270+ yds on the ground and 505 total yards. It’s pretty tunnel-visioned to default to ‘we need a new QB’ every time we lose, no matter how the game was played out.

  13. irrationalexuberance says:

    pdway,

    Seattle problems are majority offensive

    I dont blame all problems on Hass I say its time to get rid of him and run some other samples. Look around the league, the Patriots defense is younger than Seattles but there offense is so good they overcompensate for the defensive problems.

    I say all who want to keep Hass, go ahead, but dont abandon the team when they have little to no Offense as we have seen for the last 2 seasons. Look at the stats especially, PPG, Time of Possession, Ypg – rushing and passing. (bottom of the league)

    Hard to say that the defense fault they play majority of the game.

  14. irrationalexuberance says:

    8-8 was my prediction for the team and I am sticking with it.

    As alot of people mentioned in other forums a home playoff game vs Saints or Packers would be an embarrassment.

  15. QB is the least of our problems.

    It all boils down to injuries and lack of depth on the OL and DL. Period.

    We’ve been hurting in the trenches on both sides of the ball for weeks…and it shows.

    It’s nobody’s fault. It takes time to turn a team around, and the FO has done a magnificent job with what they have had to work with this year.

    Give them one more offseason and just a little luck in the injury department, and we’re going to start to emerge as a powerhouse next year.

    At least it’s almost December and we’re still in the running for the playoffs. That is a pretty darn good rebuilding year.

    Even if we miss the playoffs..who cares? Nobody in their right mind would say this team could make a SB run.

    I’m still proud of what team has accomplished this year. They are giving us a lot to look forward to next year and beyond.

  16. rramstad says:

    I agree with some of the other posters here.

    We have to root for the Cardinals, not only because it’ll end all this ridiculous 49er speculation about playoffs, but because it might get Singletary fired. That could be very very helpful in our game at 49ers later in the season.

    If the Cardinals get a little swagger, and feel like they have a shot, they might very well beat the Rams at home, which would be huge.

    Finally, I really get peeved at the folks who think winning the NFC West and hosting a playoff game is useless and we should be playing for draft position. Part of attracting free agents is being in the mix, every season, and if Mr. Happy can come in and get us back to the playoffs in our first year, especially as a division winner, that’s something the national media and other players will notice. I also think that we might actually be coming together a bit by then… if we’ve done what we have to do, beat Carolina, win at 49ers, beat the Rams, even with losses to Atlanta and Tampa, we’ll have shown some fight and grit, and playing at Qwest, anything is possible. Hell, I remember that Cardinals team, fairly one dimensional, that managed to get into the playoffs through the “weak” NFC West, and made it within a few inches of winning a Super Bowl…

  17. irrationalexuberance says:

    Seattle Offense

    Ranked 29th Ypg, Scrimmage plays
    Ranked 27th Total Points, PPG
    Ranked 30th Time of Possession – 26:45 per game

    Those stats = little to no chance to win consistently or even have a winning record

    I understand the defense needs to make stops so I wont throw this all of the offense and this team on both sides of the ball needs revamping I think if Pete is going to setup the Hawks like USC, he will start with the offense, after all USC has always been known better for their offense than defense.

  18. irrationalexuberance says:

    Audible,

    How do you figure QB is the least of our problems when in games were Hass has had pretty good protection he has thrown 2 or fewer TDs?

    On the O-line, they have done decent protecting the QB, opening up holes and RBs hitting those holes needs improvement.

  19. “pdway,

    Seattle problems are majority offensive”

    Dude, 270 yds rushing, 505 total yds of offense . . .I’m not saying our offense is a bunch of worldbeaters, but you aren’t going to win when your defense gives up those kind of numbers.

  20. And re the re-sign Hass question, it’s become clear to me that it’s an easy decision – re-sign him for a couple more years. And not b/c he’s so great – but it dawned on me, that Hass is the last kind of guy that’s going to be a problem if we transition in a new QB. If his lot is to be the kind of good veteran back-up QB that every good team has, then why not for us?

    Granted, it would likely take a QB picked in the 1st round to have the standing to unseat him, but maybe we take that guy in the ’11 draft, or we trade for him down the road.

  21. bulldog80 says:

    I don’t think you can pin “blame” on any one player. This is a team sport. However, I don’t think you can argue that Matt’s 3 turnovers aren’t part of the problem. Every player on the team deserves a share though.

    Pitiful on both sides of the ball.

  22. irrationalexuberance says:

    pdway, I can partially agree but lets look at the bigger picture.

    Actually you can win with those kinds of numbers if your effecient and score TDs when the opportunity arises.

    Look at the Pats defense, ranked 31 in YPG – 399.1 (Seattle is ranked 30)
    On the field for 1:30 less per game than the Seahawks,
    Give up 24.2 ppg (seattle is 25)
    Patriots give up more yards per play 5.8 to Seattles 5.7
    Patiots run D – 110.6 ypg Seattle – 120.4 ypg

    So you can clearly see that yardage per game given up are clearly not as important as offensive efficiency.

    Hence why you have 2 teams with mirror defenses in several categories yet Seattle 5-6 Patriots 9-2

    Dont sleep on how bad lack of offensive efficiency can damage a team.

    Seattle needs to revamp the offense first, O,D- Lines, than defense.

    First offensive move – New QB

  23. irrationalexuberance says:

    pdway,

    Resign a professional athlete because of his personality and not his play?

    What stops you then from making the argument that he is a veteran so he should start all those games as well?

    That sounds to be much of the same, which I think is the reason why Seattle cant win consistently. Time to bring in fresh talent, give them a chance to shine. Cant do that clogging up roster spots on QB’s out of their prime. Bring back Hass if he is a backup ith a minimum contract, but to bring him back as a starter would be disastrous for Seattle.

  24. “So you can clearly see that yardage per game given up are clearly not as important as offensive efficiency.

    Hence why you have 2 teams with mirror defenses in several categories yet Seattle 5-6 Patriots 9-2

    Dont sleep on how bad lack of offensive efficiency can damage a team.”

    Well, yeah, I will agree that Tom Brady is better than Matt Hasselbeck, that’s a pretty easy thing to agree about (and if you’ve got a Tom Brady ready to come in, I will happily sign on). But, as I noted in a prior post – the Hawks D was very solid through the first 6 games (and we were 4-2), check the stats from the past 5 games, and see how they compare with the Pats numbers.

    And I would be very surprised if you can show me a team that won a game, any game, when giving up 250+ yards on the ground.

  25. “pdway,

    Resign a professional athlete because of his personality and not his play?”

    No, you and I disagree about his level of play. From what I see, he still has something left – not enough to carry a bad team, but enough to be a positive piece on a good team. What I’m saying is that the downside of re-signing him (i.e. that he would defer the growth of the next QB) is off-set by the fact that he seems to be a good team guy, and not a pouty prima donna type.

  26. What was Hasselbeck doing playing defense during the game? No wonder the Chiefs got more than 500 yards. We need to cut Hass immediately. I’m sure Charlie Whitehurst can cover guys better.

  27. irrationalexuberance,

    The offense gained 20 yards rushing yesterday.
    KC gained over 200 yards rushing.
    Our most dangerous weapon(MW) was out yesterday.
    Our offense was playing from behind the entire game.
    Our defense allowed 45 points.

    Under those conditions, even the Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady’s would have bad games.

    KC was playing with the lead and they weren’t worried about our running attack. That means they could focus on shutting down our receivers. Even if MW isn’t catching the ball, he’s a decoy who requires double coverage. This opens up the field.

    Without MW in the lineup, the defense can cover the our remaining players more effectively.

    Plus, the KC with a lead, not worrying about the running game, not having to worry about MW, could just pin back their ears, take chances, jump the pass, etc…

    It’s a team loss. We did score enough points to get free pancakes at IHOP. so, if our defense was stout or even just average, the game would have been winnable. We would have had more possessions.

    We would have developed more rhythm. We would have controlled the ball more and kept KC’s offense off the field.

    That’s why you can’t just say Matt had time to throw and therefore should get the blame for yesterday’s loss.

  28. irrationalexuberance says:

    pdway,

    NYG = Defensive failures
    Oak = Defensive failures
    DEN = Offensive failures
    STL = Offensive failures
    NO = Offensive failures (although D got some bad calls, they gave Seattle a chance to come back)
    KC = Offensive failures superseded Defensive failures, D – blocked a punt and scored, a field goal, and forced a fumble, plenty of opportunities for the offense to come back.

    As for Hass personality, seems like a good guy but this isnt politics its Football, you get paid to perform not to impress people or tell or act like they want you to…although nowadays its getting far more political.

  29. irrationalexuberance says:

    Audible,

    I agree, its a team game, I am making the bigger point that in the best of conditions the offense crawls and Hass stats are decent.

    Point: Seattle needs a better offense and with #8 that is not going to happen. Blame whoever you want but I am sticking to position, inefficient QB = very few wins.

    If Hass cant do it, bring someone in who can, I dont believe that no QB on this team couldnt shine. After with Sam Bradford this team would play better on offense.

  30. irrationalexuberance says:

    canfan,

    please refer to the latter of my comment at 9:20am.

  31. Young QBs need mentors. It’s not just Matt’s personality…it’s his toughness, attitude, preparation, work ethic, maturity, leadership, and experience that a young QB will benefit from. That’s why we need to extend his contract.

  32. irrationalexuberance says:

    Audible,

    Again, then the argument would just be made, no matter who they drafted, Hass needs to start. Than we would see much of the same offensively.

    When you are rebuilding you have to make the tough choices. I like Hass personality and demeanor but what is more important personalities or winning?

    By decline in season ticket holder and games being left after the first half, I think the verdict is winning.

    I look at it from that standpoint, the now and the future. We cant ignore the now for the future. And the now and past 2 years have shown that Hass doesnt have enough in the tank to lead the Seahawks on the field anymore.

    It sucks but its reality. I would love to see him have 18-20 TDs and 5-7 INTs thus far, I would be the first to say resign him, but Pete is obviously a competitor and in that mindset competition is first and foremost. Matt hasnt played anywhere near the level to get resigned.

  33. QBs like Sam Bradford don’t just fall out of the sky. It’s rare to find a rookie QB who can just step in and be successful. Usually, they need seasoning.

    Even if we signed Kolb during the offseason and start him next year, it would help him tremendously to have Hass in his corner. Plus, we have an experienced back-up to help both Kolb and CW or our young 3rd-string guy.

    And, by the way, I’m not ready to give up on Whitehurst yet.

  34. freedom_X says:

    Watch last night’s game with Peyton Manning against San Diego at home to see what can happen even to an elite QB that’s totally one dimensional.

    Hasselbeck had to take chances, because Seattle doesn’t have anything else. If he doesn’t take chances, they don’t even score 17 points (on offense.)

    The idea Seattle “needs to try out new talent” is rather comical. Carroll is changing players and pulling people off the street left and right and playing them. No one can possibly accuse Carroll of being stuck on old veterans. No one can accuse him of being unwilling to change players.

    What Carroll isn’t going to do is play someone he thinks is not competing or grossly inferior to someone else on the roster.

    There’s only one player I’d have Seattle take a dive for to get better draft position – Andrew Luck, if he comes out. And frankly, the job of rebuilding a 1-15 team is a lot harder than rebuilding a 7-9 team in the NFL.

    A lot of it has to do with confidence – Detroit and Buffalo probably have a lot more talent than most people think, but they can’t get over the hump. Seattle played a lot better than its talent in the 1st half because they had confidence in their schemes and players were disciplined. But now they’re starting to lose it. If they can’t turn it around, then they can use the last 2 or 3 games of the year to experiment.

    But really, even 7-9 is a bit better than I thought the team would be before the season started. Though I’m unhappy with the team’s play recently, I’m not disappointed with the team overall, especially factoring in the injuries.

  35. I actually hope the niners win- just for the fact that Singletary MIGHT keep his job, that’ll at least keep Gruden or some other offensive minded coach from going there in the near future, and Singletary can keep hand-picking the OC’s & QB coaches, which is definitely a good thing for us. Plus I don’t know about you guys but I’d rather not back into the playoffs, just to get embarrassed on national TV in the Wild card game -if we get there, I would hope it to be because we deserve it… or wait til next year w/ hopefully some depth on the O & D lines (among other things)!

  36. Dukeshire says:

    I’m not sure how anyone can point to either side of the ball and say that’s the problem. There are issues across both lines and throughout each unit. These are the conditions that come with a complete rebuild like they are undertaking. As the starting talent is improved and deepened, so ill the results. But for now, there are some ugly Mondays to dal with.

    P.S. Have they cut Kentwan Balmer yet? Just curious.

  37. Are you freaking kidding me?

    “Granted there were some drops but lets get realistic Seattle offense isnt going to establish any consistency as long as Hass is the starting QB.”

    Okay. It’s 2nd and 6 and the WR drops an easy pass (EASY pass) that would have moved the chains and created a new set of downs and it’s Matts fault we can’t consistently get 1st downs?

    It’s 3rd and 8 and Matt throws the ball into a WRs hands and he drops it and it’s Matts fault we can’t consistently get 1st downs?

    We should complain that it’s Matts fault that we can’t run the ball in short yardage situations. We should also complain that it’s his fault that the defense can’t pressure the QB. We should also blame him for the economy. Lets blame him for everything.

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