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Wednesday practice: Wilson on the road to recovery

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 30, 2009 at 2:39 pm with 39 Comments »
September 30, 2009 3:57 pm

Seahawks head coach Jim Mora said during this morning’s press conference that cornerback Josh Wilson was a quick healer.

And he wasn’t joking. Wilson, who suffered a high ankle sprain against San Francisco just over a week ago, seemed to be moving well during practice today. He was a limited participant in practice.

“Every day you go out there and see what you can do, and every day it’s gotten better,” Wilson said about his ankle.

Asked if he had any issues with movement, Wilson had this to say: “I just got back on the field. I let you know later in the week how it feels,”

Wilson said he doesn’t know if he’ll be ready for Sunday, but will continue to go out and practice and see where he’s at on Friday.

Along with Wilson, Ken Lucas (groin) was a limited participants in practice.

Sean Locklear (ankle) and Leroy Hill (groin) are out.

Matt Hasselbeck (rib), Walter Jones (knee), Rob Sims (oblique), Jordan Babineaux (neck), Justin Griffith (knee) and Brandon Frye (groin) did not practice.

And Lofa Tatupu (hamstring) was a full participant in practice today.

DL Cory Redding was not at practice, but had an excused absence and is expected to practice on Thursday.

For Indianapolis, LB Gary Brackett (knee), DT Keyunta Dawson (foot), DE Dwight Freeney (quad), WR Anthony Gonzalez (knee), DB Kelvin Hayden (hamstring), DB Bob Sanders and RB Chad Simpson (abdomen) did not practice.

Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley was asked if he goes to bed dreaming about Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning this week.

“You watch all of the tapes, and you watch all of the teams that have played him and defended him over the years – you know, the New Englands that have lined up against him over and over again – and they change their game plan every time they play him,” Bradley said. “So yeah, you watch him so much — some of his antics – and you study every bit a part of his game, from the cadence and how he handles that, to how he manages to offense to substitutions. And I think you just can’t help but see him all the time.”

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  1. We can use the good news.

  2. princeaden says:

    Now this may be a bit of a stretch. But what I saw in David Hawthorne last week was nothing short of Superb. He will play more this season, and with another off season he should be ready to step in full time. So what if we traded Tatupu in the off season for a high first rounder and maybe a player and had 3 good if not great picks to re-tool the aging/missing parts we’ve got now. Say a top-tier O lineman, cornerback , runningback or replacement for Hass. That’s four, so it would be some combo therein. But, you get the idea. And as long as I’m dreaming that player that comes over in the Tatupu trade fills the fourth hole.

  3. “But what I saw in David Hawthorne last week was nothing short of Superb. He will play more this season, and with another off season he should be ready to step in full time. So what if we traded Tatupu in the off season for a high first rounder and maybe a player and had 3 good if not great picks to re-tool the aging/missing parts we’ve got now. Say a top-tier O lineman, cornerback , runningback or replacement for Hass.”

    Not exactly the same thought, but a similar one ran through my mind, which was that if Hawthorne is really that good (it was only game after all), then maybe we are indeed way overpaying for the position. Teams like Pitt and NE seem to cycle through LBs and D-Lineman every five years or so – in part to keep salaries down, and in part to keep fresh legs in those bruising positions. I’m not really ready to trade Lofa yet, I’m too greedy about keeping every talented player we’ve got. But yeah, 16 tackles in a game, it’s gonna be a little harder to have him ride the bench the rest of the year.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    Hawthorne had a great game, but I’m not quite sure that’s enough to ship Lofa off just yet. It should be enough however, to get him on the field for more time. And Bradley is definitely creative enough to find ways to use him.

    Great news about Pistol. I think it goes without saying they could use him against Indy.

  5. princeaden says:

    You’re probably right about not trading Tatupu. I’m just trying to think of ways to improve the team without having to go through a complete rebuilding process, which I don’t believe we need. My feeling is that we are a few key pieces away from having an excellent squad.

  6. bird_spit says:

    My feeling is that we have an excellent squad now if healthy. I wouldnt tweak it to much. OL needs to gel no matter if you go get super man in there.

    Assuming our squad was healthy:

    QB – we have excellent talent
    OL – adequate talent if they gel
    RB – adequate talent in a new system
    WR – we have excellent talent
    TE – excellent talent

    DT excellent
    DE excellent
    CB – lacking head count with injuries, but adequate
    S – lacking talent
    LB – excellent

    Mgt needs to plan for the future without sacrificing the present. I’d say they have put the team in position for a superbowl. Now all they need is execution, health, and a little luck.

    Off topic – I’m all for a Native American ceremony someone brought up.. The karma needs healed. Besides that, it would make a cool press release.

  7. ballgame says:

    Interesting thoughts on Lofa, but this a game where having him back would be a big bonus. Lofa is very good at getting great depth on his pass drops, which is something that David seems to struggle with. The goal for me regarding this team is getting to the bye and 3-3. I don’t care they do. I think if they can get to 3-3 and get heathier this is a playoff team.

  8. ballgame says:

    Meant to say I don’t care how they get to 3-3

  9. hawkdawg says:

    Hawthorne had a lot of tackles. I like his intensity and effort. But lots of tackles and a great linebacker are not identical things. Where are those tackles being made? Is he responsible for his gaps? Does he make players around him better, by example and direction? Is he a liability on passing downs?

    For a second year free agent, we have to be very pleased with him. But I don’t know enough of the answers to these questions to start thinking seriously about trading Lofa at this point.

  10. Hawthorne is more powerful at the point of attack than Lofa (much more powerful IMO). I really do like Hawthorne, but Lofa has him beat in every other phase of the game. But for what they are being paid in relation to the salary cap, the Heater is the much better value.

  11. Guys – you just can’t say “assuming our squad was healthy…”

    Most of the injuries are either of the older players (Jones, Hasselbeck, Lucas) or players who missed time due to injuries last year (Locklear, Tatupu, Branch, Wilson, Hill, Spencer). The older players also happen to have missed time last year.

    This is how formerly great teams decline. A few weak drafts, constant injuries and the losing just starts to pile up. We are close to the worst stretch of non-expansion football in Seahawks history (by record).

    We are diehards just for keeping it going here!

  12. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby – He may be a more sound / better tackler but no way he’s measurably stronger at the point of attack. Lofa hits like a mule kick. In fact, he hits so hard, I believe it’s led to his declined technique as a tackler. (That’s my theory as to why he’s not as sure as he was in 05/06.) I’m not knocking Heater, I really hope we get to see more of him.

  13. I’d say lucas and trufant gives seattle the best CB tandem in the west. Definitely enough to stop the zona twins.

  14. “This is how formerly great teams decline. A few weak drafts, constant injuries and the losing just starts to pile up. We are close to the worst stretch of non-expansion football in Seahawks history (by record).”

    Pabuwal – you keep beating this drum, but our records since the 13-3 year in ’05, are: 9-7, 10-6, and then 4-12, last year. How is the worst stretch in history?

    And before you start saying, road games, and non-Rams games, last i checked the Rams are still in the NFL, and home games count just as much as road games.

    Besides all that – what’s your plan? Cut everyone over 30? Every good team in the NFL relies to some degree on veteran players.

  15. I am really having trouble being positive about the O-Line depth. Walt had micro-fracture surgery, but we were told it was not that big a deal and he would be fine. The front office said not to worry, and besides they said it was to a non-weight bearing part of the knee. And besides the front office said, there is a plan in place. I guess the plan in place called for a street free agent to start at left tackle for weeks 2 and 3, and who knows how long after that. I know injuries can’t be predicted, but the plan called for Locklear to replace Walt. If Locklear wasn’t forced to move to the left side, he was going to move to guard. So the guy who can’t even hold onto the right tackle position is going to take over at left tackle instead? What kind of plan is that?

    They added talent in the first round of the draft in an area that had a high talent level already at linebacker, and they ignored a weak tackle position. I love Curry’s upside, but teams need to consider need when drafting. The plan they had in place looks like Swiss cheese, it is full of holes.

  16. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – You make an interesting point regarding good teams collapsing quickly. However, this team / franchise is no where close to “the worst stretch of non-expansion football in Seahawks history (by record).” From ’91 – ’94 they were 21-43. The heart of the dark ages. This team is so far and away more talented than those, in fact more talent from top (owenership) to bottom, it’s difficult to compare. And the talent here, the emerging core of this team is young. There are holes, to be sure. And they may be 2-3 years away from 13-3 again, but they are in no way headed to a repeat of 4-12 (or 2-14 ’92) despite the hand wringing that is now taking place.

    As a point of clarification; Wilson played in all 16 games in ’08.

  17. “They added talent in the first round of the draft in an area that had a high talent level already at linebacker, and they ignored a weak tackle position. I love Curry’s upside, but teams need to consider need when drafting. The plan they had in place looks like Swiss cheese, it is full of holes”

    They did pick up Unger in the 2nd; but I think your point is still valid. Even if you allow that they couldn’t pass on an impact guy like Curry at #4, it’s a little hard to fathom picking Butler over a OL prospect in the 3rd. Butler seems like a decent prospect too, but we’re pretty deep at that position these days.

  18. highimpactstaffing says:

    “I love Curry’s upside, but teams need to consider need when drafting.”

    Tompage – The debate has always been: do you draft to fill a need, or do you take the best talent on the board? I believe in the latter. You believe in the former. I don’t know which position is 100% correct. There are arguments to be made for both. If you can get a Walter Jones, even if you’re weak at the WR spot, do you not take him? If you can get a Tom Brady, even though you’re weak at LB, do you not take him? Drafting the best available player at a position of need, is not the same as drafting the best available player. If a draft is weak at the O-tackle position, do you pass up a potential stud at LB?

    Who would you have drafted in the first round, at offensive tackle, in last year’s draft instead of Curry?

  19. Okay, so Locklear is out and Walt, Frye and Sims all did not even practice. Who the heck is playing OT this week?!?!

  20. Seattle should have addressed the O line early in free agency when there were good players available.

    Seattle moved up to take Butler at 91. The Bears picked up Johnny Knox at 140. Wonder how that will play out over the next two seasons?

  21. Right now it looks like a street free agent (Brandon Frye) the Hawks picked up will play LT with a wrapped up pulled groin. Hope he lasts the whole game. If Sims can’t go then wrotto at LG. Spencer at center, Unger at RG and Willis at RT.

    That would leave Jones, Locklear and Sims in street clothes and Vallos to back up all five positions. Ok, if Frye can’t play the whole game then Unger would go to LT where he played his first two years at Oregon and Vallos would go to RG.

    Time to move Kyle Williams up from the practice squad.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Point taken, but do you think Knox would get those targets if the Bears had Burleson and Housh ahead of him? And where they took Butler, the next lineman was taken at 106 and Lugas is a center. They already had Unger. The Packers took Lang (T) at 109 and the the Pats at 123 took Ohrnberger (G). So, while the o line was / is a need it would have been a reach to take someone there. It was 1st round or nothing and in that case we get into draft philosophy vs simply addressing a position. Just conversation…

    Frye is expected to go.

  23. Remember this spring when people were wanting us to trade for Brady Quinn?
    He’s now benched for the team the “experts” are calling the new Detroit

    Sure glad the peanut gallery doesn’t get their way.

    Trading Lofa and keeping Hawethorne to me is on a similar level to the Brady Quinn talk.

    Would Lofa bring us a good trade, maybe, but Hawthorne has only played in a few games and I believe he is considered small fror an NFL linebacker.
    To me this translates to short career, especially the way he hits. I love the big hitters, but they usually just don’t last.
    I’m all for Hawethorne getting time as long as he is productive, but saying he’s the LB of the future is a reach.
    It’s a good thing we have depth at LB right now. Too bad it wasn’t as deep on the O line

    Too bad the Hawks didn’t use the PUP on Walt this summer instead of allowing him to practice a few days and not being able to use PUP on him
    We sure could use another roster spot open right now

  24. I understand what you’re saying about the draft. That is why I said they should have addressed the O line early in free agency.

    I don’t like the cut block or zone blocking scheme. I would rather have big guys and there were some in the draft. But a few years ago the Broncos had great success running the ball with zone blocking. Maybe it just takes time. Of course, when you have to juggle your O line every week it takes a long, long, long time.

  25. Peanut gallery me
    Guess Hawethorne isn’t that small he’s listed the same size as Lofa

  26. Soggybuc says:

    Of course, when you have to juggle your O line every week it takes a long, long, long time.

    This!!!

    going into the season we looked OK at OL. Lock had earned his place and what would this blog had looked like had TR cut bait and run concerning Walt? retrospect is always an easy call but I hope you all agree that Walt has earned a pass on the willhe/canhe/grabyercockandpray front. TR and Mora did the right thing throwing the dice on walt. looks like a bad gamble now.

    If you thought we were going to come out after switching coaching staffs,systems and blocking schemes and run for 6+ YPC and 200+YPG , well i just call you Naive.

    The FO did make moves concerning the OL one of wich was not cutting a future HoF and hoping the Heir apparent would last more than a game and a half and the other was snagging a guy an unproven/unknown in Frye wich is looking brilliant ATM. you hand any GM in this league the injuries we have been dealing with the last 2 years and they will look pretty bad too.

    BTW how is SUPER UBER GM OMG THE GUY IS GOD Scott Piolie(sp) looking in KC? what do you mean they are not the new Patriots??? and coasting to the superbowl?

  27. They have the Bears game on NFL Network Replay.

  28. nighthawk2 says:

    Things are being reiterated here that I was rather severly attacked for saying earlier in the year, such as offensive tackle being ignored (and let’s not forget free safety). How gratifiying.

    I am not as enamored with Aaron Curry as most are. Not to this point anyway. Many seemed to want to annoint him as the greatest linebacker in the history of football when he was drafted. I’ve seen him whiff on a fullback in the flat in the SF game when the 49ers were backed up to their 1 yard line, and allow a 1st down as a result. He seems to be constantly out of position and confused. Through 3 games he has 15 tackles combined, and 1 sack. That’s 5 tackles per game. David Hawthorne in that time has 35 tackles (16 against Chicago, three times Curry’s number) with a pass defensed and an interception. Curry got the 2nd highest signing bonus in the draft, behind only Matt Stafford, the 1st overall pick, more than Mark Sanchez, a quarterback, taken immediately after him, more than Jason Smith, a left tackle taken two spots before him. Will Herring has one less tackle than Curry, and a pass defensed. How much did those two cost?

    A weak class for offensive tackles? Hardly, outside of Andre The Giantwasteofapick. Jacksonville drafted Monroe at 8 (and Eben Britton in the 2nd round at 39) and both rookies are starting. Monroe beat out Tra Thomas.

  29. I would have drafted Eugene Monroe. But people smarter than me like Rob Rang say he does not have the elite athleticism you want from a left tackle. He is as high on the character scale as you can get, just as high as Curry. I guess only time will tell.

  30. guywhothinksheknowsitall says:

    Nighthawk, were we not saying those exact same things about Lofa during his 1st month as a Hawk?

  31. Dukeshire says:

    Who attacked you (severely) for saying that the Seahawks should / need to address o line and safety? Throw RB and QB into the mix and that all this board could talk about for months. Don’t confuse criticism for being a contrarian and an overall pessimist with seeing two of the most glaring holes on this team.

  32. Who would Hawthorne replace? Hill? Lofa?

  33. princeaden says:

    I don’t quite know what to think about Walter. My gut tells me what Mora wont, that he most likely he is done. Frye has done a standup job in his absense. But beyond him we have Kyle Williams and Goddard who are probably ok but maybe not. Is Runyun or Levi Jones still available? Would they be an upgrade or are they left off of rosters because they can’t getter done anymore?

  34. RichmondHawk says:

    I have a feeling they’re waiting for guys to come back before they finally get the roster straightened out. Not to sure if anything can be gained if Walt does needs to go on the IR etc.

  35. RichmondHawk says:

    I read earlier that they were going to move Rob Sims over to LT if Frye went down. So somewhere down the road this season, they could have Lock, Willis, Frye and possibly move over Sims if need be.

  36. Mora said post game on Sunday that:

    if Frye cant go it’s Sims
    If Sims can’t go it Unger

    Scary thoughts if we get that far down – shuffling all the way!!!

  37. No matter what, I’m glad we don’t have Monroe at LT. People fail to mention those tackles for Jacksonville are on a bad team and they, being R tackles, are a reason for it. Yes, potential is there, but Monroe at LT is no more than Curry at LB. R mistakes are being made by both, although Curry has more upside, even though Monroe plays a more important position.

    As of right now, Sanchez looks like the guy we should have taken. However, don’t forget that Sanchez has a LT and C who were both first round picks 2 years ago and Alan Faneca, a Hutch-type guard, at LG. Protection is certainly a QBs best friend. Sanchez may not be alive if he had our patch work OL.

  38. Maybe Hawks could incorporate some 3-4 fronts with Hawthorne or Reed? Would sure like to see Reed getting after PM. Also, about E.Monroe, he’s allowed 2 sacks and has had one false start penalty in 3 games playing LT so far. Not a Walter Jones replacement.

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