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The rest of Mike Holmgren’s Monday news conference

Post by News Tribune Staff on Oct. 13, 2008 at 3:41 pm with 52 Comments »
October 13, 2008 3:41 pm

Going back to the quarterback situation for a second, Holmgren said that he hopes that Seneca Wallace can get healthy enough to play against Tampa Bay. He said he needs to see him practice a few days this week to make that determination. If Seneca cannot go, Charlie Frye gets the call again.


Holmgren said he hopes to get Deion Branch back this week. Deon Grant did suffer a ligament strain in his knee but will play against Tampa Bay. Will Heller has a knee injury and is out for a while. Patrick Kerney is going to be OK.


After reviewing the film, Holmgren said he thought several players played well against Green Bay: Rocky Bernard, Kerney, Lofa Tatupu, the safeties, John Carlson, Mike Wahle and Koren Robinson.



The players were not available to speak to the media because they had a power outage at the VMAC and I guess everybody bailed after they watched film.


Holmgren said he did not think Wahle’s holding penalty was a good call and that they will send the tape to the league.


With the trade deadline coming up tomorrow, I asked Holmgren if they have had any discussions about quick fixes. He said they have been working on that very hard for two or three weeks, and have called most teams with receivers that they think might be available. He said there are one of two things going on: Either the receiver you heard might be available is not available, or opposing teams are trying to rape and pillage in terms of what they want in return.


Dave Boling asked Holmgren if he will pound the players this week. Holmgren said he basically did that last week. He said you can’t do that every week. And he also said you can’t really change a lot of things or the players will sense that you are panicking. So the M.O. right now is to get back to work and correct what is ailing the team in all different aspects. Holmgren said it is a very bizarre atmosphere around the organization because it has been a long time since they have faced this kind of situation. People don’t know how to act, how to feel, what to say. And so Holmgren is trying to make sure everybody stays positive and moving forward rather than sulking.


Holmgren was asked what makes him think the season is still salvageable. He said because they still have not gotten everybody back, and once they get everybody back and playing together, then they can play their best football. At the same time, the players know what they are facing, given their deficit in the division.


Holmgren said there could be a few more personnel changes this week, though he was not specific.

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  1. curran1979 says:

    I’m hoping that they start Ray Willis over at RT and put Locklear on the bench. Everyone on the line played well last game EXCEPT for Locklear.

  2. idahoseahawksfan says:

    I agree! I was pretty upset with Locklear letting the guys get right past him.

  3. I’ve already said it (Willis over Lock). Good point though.

  4. Not to belabor the issue but there were a couple of calls yesterday that were out there not just the call on wahle as Holmgren indicates. The call on Wahle was ridiculous if you compare it to other plays in the game where Seahawk defenders were being clearly held by the jersey and locked up in what I would call a bear hug. Not that the outcome would have been different with these calls but is consistency too much to ask for?

  5. knutson_11 says:

    I said it last week, and I feel the same way today, but how badly is Seneca really hurt, this is what he is getting paid for is to step in when Matt gets hurt, the guy hasnt been on the field since Buffalo, how the heck did he get hurt? Matt played with a bum knee and back all last week, how can Seneca not step up when the team needs him most??

  6. hawks111 says:

    Don’t give Seneca a hard time, he got hurt because he was practicing as a WR because that is what the team needed. If a guy is slowed down by an injury he is only hurting the team by playing. Plus it is usually the team doctors that keep them out of games.

  7. Wallace got hurt while warming up on the field when we were about to play the 9ers.
    I hope he is ready to play Sunday.

  8. hawks111 says:

    This team is really missing Burleson. Not that he is a #1 WR or anything but he played with high energy and gave us sparks on special teams when we needed it. Also a vocal leader like Tobeck would be really nice

  9. seahawkbryce says:

    Looks like the Skins are looking to sign Shaun Alexander.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3641992

  10. knutson_11 says:

    I would take Wallace at 80% over Frye at 100%… And i knew he got hurt warming up against the 9ers, but i guess my question is how badly can you get hurt in warmups? it just seems odd?

  11. The season is lost so it is time to start playing all the young guys. Not to start but should get playing time.

    Coutu
    Red
    Willis
    Kent
    Bumpus
    Atkins
    etc.

  12. Send Locklear and a 3rd rounder to Detroit for Kitna and Williams.

    Kitna knows our offense and Williams would soon be our #1 receiver.

  13. chewy724 says:

    Paul Allen’s offseason todo list:

    1) Rip up Mora Jrs contract and find a new coach
    2) Fire that idiot GM and hire Holmgren as only the GM
    3) Get a new QB (because Hass is done, Seneca is too short, Frye sucks)
    4) Get a new Defensive Coordinator
    5) Hire Mel Kiper Jr to help out with the draft (because we suck at drafting talent)

  14. jmatt8711 says:

    #8 out one more week, at least its a built in excuse
    when we get embarassed on natonal T.V.
    Maybe a big run at the end of the season to finish 8-8
    so we can start that crap all over again.

  15. How about sending Coutu somewhere for something? Why the hell is this guy still on the roster? Oops, I forgot… he is part of Ruskell’s master plan to come back from 1-4. Meanwhile, Mare has yet to miss a field goal.

  16. The Lions were offered a #1 and another draft pick last off-season for Williams.

    They will franchise him this off-season and still probably get a #1 draft pick for him from a team like Philly.

    So why would they trade him (and their starting QB) for an average RT and a 3rd rounder?

    And why would we want to get rid of draft picks when we’re old and slow?

  17. seahawkbryce says:

    my question is how badly can you get hurt in warmups? it just seems odd?

    People pull muscles just picking things up. I pulled a muscle in my back putting up Christmas lights last year. Muscle pulls are funny like that, often there is no explanation why they happen. Pulled muscles are also very painful.

  18. seahawkbryce says:

    Why the hell is this guy still on the roster?

    3 words:

    inactive on gameday

  19. nighthawk2 says:

    I agree about tearing up Mora’s 2009 and beyond contract. But the idea of Holmgren in a 2nd GM stint is unappealing. Some of his 1st and 2nd round picks, or even 3rd, are as bad as Ruskell’s (Lamar King, Koren Robinson, Anton Palepoi, Ike Charlton, Heath Evans, Kris Richard, Jerremy Stevens, Marcus Tubbs over Steven Jackson, etc). I’d rather see the Hawks Director of Pro Personnel, Will Lewis, become General Manager.

    I’m wondering, if Mora is head coach next year, how many of Holmgren’s staff does he keep or who wants to stay under him? Gil Haskell is 65 and has been with Holmgren for all but 2 of his years as HC in Green Bay and Seattle. Who would be OC if he retires? Does he keep the WCO, and if not, where does Hasselbeck fit in?

    And with the recognition that the season is lost, the idea of maybe trading a few guys for some extra picks in this April’s draft has some merit, presuming that we have guys others would trade for. Understandably, these would be lower round picks. I do not want to give away any more of ours (we lost a 5th for Colbert) though. Roy Williams, from what I’ve read, is a major pain the ass and not someone I’d like to see here.

  20. nighthawk – Ruskell has already stated that the Mora regime will be running the WCO (or at least a close version of it). They aren’t going to drastically change the offense or defense. They are going to keep relatively similar systems b/c all of their current players, and the ones they draft, fit for these schemes. I’m not saying I agree with it 100%, I’m just saying what he’s said is going to happen.

  21. hawk9680 says:

    I can’t remember but I think I read somewhere that the West Coast Offense will remain in Mora.

  22. hawksfan052082 says:

    Hasselbeck is NOT done, and anyone who thinks that is a moron and doesn’t understand football. Hasselbeck has been injured since the 2 preseason game, and hasn’t had ANY receivers this year. The first game he has his 2 starters, he gets injured right away, then Branch goes out. He has 3 new starters on the offensive line as well. He is 33, he’s not done by a long shot. He has a strong 2-3 years left of top football. He just needs to be healthy. I HATE when people in this town turn on players on the team that just do not deserve it. Hasselbeck is a stud, and he’ll be back.

  23. CowboysP says:

    OK.

    Let’s be crystal clear.

    Ruskell is the GM, and that is not changing.
    Mora is the Head Coach next season, and that is not changing.

    Those are two of the most definite “for sure” things currently in the NFL.

  24. “He is 33, he’s not done by a long shot. He has a strong 2-3 years left of top football. He just needs to be healthy.”

    Totally agree – he was at the top of his game last year, and this year he’s been w/out receivers, and, as you said, hurting since that pre-season game. Even with that, his WR’s have been dropping passes, running soft patterns, and failing to make plays on the ball all year.

    It’s an extreme example b/c they’re two of the best in the league, but when you see how guys like Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson make plays on the ball, you realize how much WR’s can do for your passing game, almost regardless of who’s throwing the ball.

  25. hawksfan052082 says:

    “It’s an extreme example b/c they’re two of the best in the league, but when you see how guys like Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson make plays on the ball, you realize how much WR’s can do for your passing game, almost regardless of who’s throwing the ball.”

    On top of that, look at yesterday’s game. Compare Koren Robinson to Greg Jennings. The routes that Koren ran were lazy and he didn’t try to get separation. When Greg Jennings caught that 45 yard TD, it was a thing of beauty. He had Tru the whole time. Perfectly ran route. I guarantee you give Hass a top notch WR, he has a 4,000 yard season (considering health).

    Also, I think the Mora era could do well. He will come in and get rid of Marshall, Haskell, etc and bring in his own crew. Remember, his first year in ATL, he went to the NFC Championship with Mike Vick as his QB. I think with the talent Seattle has, and yes, they still are talented, I think they could get back to double digits next year if they are healthy.

  26. Yes!!! People who think Hass is still a stud!!!

    I’m so sick of people getting on him this season!!! He has nobody to throw to!!! When he hits WRs in the hands or shoulder pads and they can’t catch the damn ball, that’s not Matt’s fault!!!

    Matt will be back and we will be back (hope the back is okay, or we won’t be back).

    Sundaynight Football (UNFORTUNATELY) 1-5 HERE WE COME.

    Seahawks in ’09!!!

  27. I love Holmy… but one thing that now bothers me since I think the season is over (at least with a loss in Tampa it’ll be over)…

    Holmy is going to play the old guys b/c he’s loyal. What this team needs is for young guys to play. Guys like Red Bryant need playing time for our benefit NEXT year. Holmy really could care less about next year. I wouldn’t really care if I were him either — I’d only care about winning as many right now and at all costs.

  28. I guarantee that we go to the Super Bowl this year IF

    1. Matt can be 100% starting this week
    2. We can get Kenny Easley of the mid-1980s to play SS for us (Grant would have to move to FS).
    3. Steve Largent can come back as a 25-30 year old and play WR.
    4. We can go back to the early 90s and get ‘Tez to play DT for this team.

  29. sfarrand says:

    I’m unsure what to think of Matt’s injury. It feels like we’re not getting the full story.

    And as far as Seneca’s Injury, the jury’s still out as far as I’m concerned… I’m unsure if it’s the show of passive/aggressive behavior of someone who was upset about having their role changed…

    How many weeks has he been “out” with his injury?

    Honestly, I think he’s playing up the injury and collecting the paycheck.

    Frye… I’m unsure if the guy’s just getting a bad rap, or if he just plain sucks.

    Someone suggested at one point in another thread, that our defensive secondary appears better suited for an alternative defensive strategy… I wonder how effective that would be if tried out… though it seems like that’s not the kind of change one would want to implement mid season.

  30. nighthawk2 says:

    Well Bobby, since we’re using the Wayback Machine, why not get Joe Nash, Jacob Green, Terry Wooden, Blair Bush, John L. Williams, Brian Blades, Paul Skansi and House Ballard too.

    I’m not optomistic about fixing things next year because of Ruskell being the GM. Part of the reason we’re in this mess is drafting/signing undersized defensive players, bad/underachieving offensive linemen and receivers, throwing away draft picks and not retaining some our own key free agents. Plus we have the weight of Alexander’s dead money on the cap next year. Someone explain to me how the Tim Ruskell of 2009 is going to be any better than the Tim Ruskell of 2005-2008, especially without Holmgren’s influence as something of a counter balance. I expect to continue to see small corners, mediocre interior offensive linemen, undersized tackles and ends, sluggish safeties and a lot of rejects from Tampa Bay and Atlanta. In other words, to quote The Who, “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

  31. Our Defense is built on the fact that they will not be on the field long because the offense is going to be able to move the ball and score. Since they can’t do that now our D is in huge trouble. Especially if they can’t get off the field on 3rd and long.

    They can’t be expected to step up and knock down another offense, becuase that is NOT what they were designed to do. They totally rely on the fact that when we are on it offensively if forces the other team to be one dimensional and then, and only then, can we take advantage.

  32. Anniee882000 says:

    “I HATE when people in this town turn on players on the team that just do not deserve it. Hasselbeck is a stud, and he’ll be back. ”

    I couldnt’ agree with you more. Jeez, give the man a break. I would be sick to my stomach if the Seattle fans started booing Hasselbeck after all he has done for our city and team.

  33. nightwulf says:

    Anniee,
    welcome to Seattle…we eat our young too..
    Seriously, though, we’re having a snake bitten year…this is precisly WHY it si so difficult to win a division five years in a row. We’re still a good team, but with most of our offensive weapons on the fritz, our defense is out there way longer than they should be…and for an undersized, speed based defense, that’s a death blow. It dosen’t help matters that Marshall still schemes like we have a full sized D, but he’ll be gone at the end of the year (thank god, way too long in coming).
    Here’s an idea, at the end of the year, why don’t we see if we can get a first round choice for Julian Peterson, then we’ll have plenty of room to sign Leroy Hill to a long term contract. Then we’ll have two first rounders, one of which, from the looks of things, should be a fairly early pick. Perhaps we could also get a fourth rounder for Dieon Branch? And maybe another one for Locklear? Trade the three fourth rounders for another first rounder? Any of those linemen in Oklahoma look pretty good…:)

  34. mquinn73 says:

    I don’t understand why so many people already have a negative view of Jim Mora… OK, the secondary has sucked so far this season, but I think alot of that is down to the overall maliase on defense and underperforming personnel. Mora is a young coach, with a different attitude and methodology to coaching than Holmgren [it'll be good for alot of our guys to hear a different voice - maybe they got stale listening to Holmgren's rants?]. Plus he’s hungry to prove himself again after what happened in Atlanta.

    Next season we will have a new head coach, a new DC and a new OC [and probably a new special teams coach also]. That’s alot of new ideas & new voices… and it feels like a natural point to hit the reboot button on this team.

    I’m not advocating that we rip it up and start again – we still have too many good, young players to do that – but significant changes are required in key positions. Things are likely to get worse [but only for a season or two at most] before they get better.

  35. RichmondHawk says:

    “I agree about tearing up Mora’s 2009 and beyond contract. But the idea of Holmgren in a 2nd GM stint is unappealing. Some of his 1st and 2nd round picks, or even 3rd, are as bad as Ruskell’s (Lamar King, Koren Robinson, Anton Palepoi, Ike Charlton, Heath Evans, Kris Richard, Jerremy Stevens, Marcus Tubbs over Steven Jackson, etc). I’d rather see the Hawks Director of Pro Personnel, Will Lewis, become General Manager.”

    Neither Ruskell nor Holmgren drafted Tubbs as GM.

  36. There’s no way any team in their right mind would give up a 1st round draft pick for JP.

  37. ElPerroGrandeIII says:

    Actually, the most definite “for sure” things are as follows:

    * Holmgren may or may not (let’s hope for may as HC of the Hawks) be a Head Coach in the NFL next year, and that includes the Hawks

    * Holmgren may or may not (let’s hope for may for the GM of the Hawks) be a GM in the NFL next year, and that includes the Hawks

    * Mora may or may not be a coach at any level next year

    * Ruskell may or may not (hopefully not) be the GM next year (Ruskell is the most over-rated, total crap, person of all time for the Hawks)

    * Hass is one of the most over-rated QBs of all time and should be let go

  38. QB_Sneak says:

    Paul Allen’s offseason todo list:

    1) Rip up Mora Jrs contract and find a new coach
    He hasn’t coached a single day, and you want to fire him already? The secondary sucks, but Mora is executing Marshall’s defense. John Marshall needs to be fired – he should have been fired 2 years ago. But Mora has yet to prove or not prove himself.

    2) Fire that idiot GM and hire Holmgren as only the GM
    I won’t debate Ruskell as GM. Clearly he is a polarizing figure. People either like him or hate him. But Holmgren was quite possibly the worst GM in football.

    3) Get a new QB (because Hass is done, Seneca is too short, Frye sucks)
    Seneca is too short, Frye does suck, and we do need to draft a QB (probably 3rd rounder) that can eventually take over. But Hass is NOT done. That’s crazy.

    4) Get a new Defensive Coordinator
    Now you’re talking. Maybe you’re not as dumb as you sounded in previous points.

    5) Hire Mel Kiper Jr to help out with the draft (because we suck at drafting talent)
    OMG… I take it back. You are that dumb. Mel Kiper is a mouthpiece, not much more.

  39. antediluvian says:

    Perro, Perro, Perro….(shaking head in amazement)..

    How quickly you forget. Bob Whitsitt already has the lifetime achievement award for the “most over-rated, total crap, person of all time for the Hawks”.

  40. CowboysP says:

    “Holmgren may or may not (let’s hope for may as HC of the Hawks) be a Head Coach in the NFL next year, and that includes the Hawks”
    No. He’s done coaching

    “Holmgren may or may not (let’s hope for may for the GM of the Hawks) be a GM in the NFL next year, and that includes the Hawks”
    Maybe. In fact, likely yes. But not in Seattle. Look for him to reappear in “The City by the Bay”.

    “Mora may or may not be a coach at any level next year”
    Mora WILL be the Seahawks Head Coach next year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just drinking way too much kool-ade.

    “Ruskell may or may not (hopefully not) be the GM next year (Ruskell is the most over-rated, total crap, person of all time for the Hawks)”
    Again. Too much Kool-ade. Ruskell will be the Seahawks GM for at least another 5 years.

    “Hass is one of the most over-rated QBs of all time and should be let go”
    This is a new one for a Kool-ade drinker. Normally the Kool-ade drinker says “Hass is so under-rated. He’s the best QB in the NFC.” So I have to give you credit.

    I think the back injury may end his season. And next year will be a year of transition, if not a year of rebuilding. So, then Hasselbeck is 34. Hmmmm. Maybe a trade will be coming?

  41. I certainly do not think Mora is a better head coach than Holmgren. However, Mora will be better for the 2009 Seahawks than Holmy.

    We will have a new defensive coordinator. That is automatically going to make this defense much better.

    Ruskell is going to go out and (somehow) add a defensive lineman who can help add to our pass rush and I have a feeling we are going to be drafting an impact Safety (Myron Rolle). We are now chasing Arizona in the division and we need a guy who is going to make Fitzgerald and Bolin think twice about making a catch over the middle.

    That means we’re going to get our top 10 defense for the ’09 season.

    Our WRs may suck right now, getting Burleson, Payne, and Ben O-B-wan-kenobie back is going to help. It won’t be an elite group, but it will be functional. Carlson will also take pressure off that group in his second year, as he’s going to be even better in year #2.

    Basically, we should all feel good because we are going to win the Super Bowl next year!!!

  42. chucko24 says:

    Wow we all ned to be talked off the ledge.

    Im going to the tampa game and Ill bet you seattle with wallace at the helm shocks teh world!!!!

    sip….sip….this is really great koolaid!

    Go hawks!

  43. nighthawk2 says:

    “Neither Ruskell nor Holmgren drafted Tubbs as GM.”

    If you think that Bob Ferguson actually drafted anyone or was anything more than a figurehead for his one year or so here, you’re even less intelligent then you normally sound.

    “Ruskell is going to go out and (somehow) add a defensive lineman who can help add to our pass rush and I have a feeling we are going to be drafting an impact Safety (Myron Rolle). We are now chasing Arizona in the division and we need a guy who is going to make Fitzgerald and Bolin think twice about making a catch over the middle.

    That means we’re going to get our top 10 defense for the ’09 season.”

    Looks like chucko24 has been sharing that koolaid. Ruskell is a lousy GM who is responsible for putting this collection of stiffs together. We’re not going to go from an bunch of undersized “finesse” players who “finesse” their way out of stopping anyone to top 10 defense in one year, and it won’t ever happen with Ruskell in charge. If they fire his ass, we can take some major strides next year. Mora is nothing more than a Ruskell yes-man, if anyone other than Ruskell was GM Mora wouldn’t even be here, let alone the heir apparent.

    And Cowboys troll, just STFU and go cry over Romo being out a month because of an owie on his finger. What a wuss. Boy that East division is just a bunch of beasts huh? Giants get their ass kicked by the Browns, Dallas gets beat by the Cardinals even when the refs gift wrap the game for them, and the Redskins give the Rams their first win.

  44. nighthawk2 says:

    “* Ruskell may or may not (hopefully not) be the GM next year (Ruskell is the most over-rated, total crap, person of all time for the Hawks).”

    I’d put him second on that list, behind Tom Flores.

  45. CowboysP says:

    Nighthawk,

    What a WHINER you are. Major CRYBABY! You definitely are one of those who gives some Seahawks fans that label.

    And from reading your posts, you DISLIKE more of the Hawks organization and players than you LIKE. All you do is complain.

    And STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHERE I POST.

    You complain just because I have more intelligent things to say about the Seahawks than you do.

    It’s not your concern….

  46. nighthawk2 says:

    Oh, and CowboysTroll, good job on Pacman Jones. Didn’t take him long to get suspended again did it? Indefinatley, with a minimum of four games. So if you’re lucky, he comes back when Romo’s owie is done. With Newman out, sort of puts you between a rock and a hard place. Prediction, No Playoffs For You!

  47. CowboysP says:

    nighthawk,

    Since you seem to be so focused on the Cowboys on this Seahawks Blog (Yes, that’s you talking about the Cowboys), did you hear that the Cowboys now have TWO Roy Williams on the team?

    Do you know who the other Roy Williams is?

  48. RichmondHawk says:

    “”Neither Ruskell nor Holmgren drafted Tubbs as GM.”

    If you think that Bob Ferguson actually drafted anyone or was anything more than a figurehead for his one year or so here, you’re even less intelligent then you normally sound.”

    Wow its a real big man to admit he’s wrong so I guess you’re….

    What a stupid idea is that? Genius over here thinks Holmy’s pulling the strings at GM after he gets fired. Some guys who cling on to this blog really amaze me.

  49. CowboysP says:

    “”Neither Ruskell nor Holmgren drafted Tubbs as GM.”

    If you think that Bob Ferguson actually drafted anyone or was anything more than a figurehead for his one year or so here, you’re even less intelligent then you normally sound.”

    “Wow its a real big man to admit he’s wrong so I guess you’re….”

    Boy. nh2 seems to make outrageous statements, talks about other teams, bad mouths the hawks, call everyone else names, tells everyone else to shut up, and then yells out “troll”.

    nh2 perfectly fits the definition of a troll.

  50. Moron if you think having Holmgren at GM is a good idea. Go back and look at some of his moves if you think that is a great idea. Pretty much every move he made at defense sucked.

  51. When the team is 1-3 and the offense is incapable of running its standard schemes effectively with Frye (or even Wallace) at the helm, is it really that much of a risk to insert some unorthodox play-calling? Look what it’s done for Miami. Even if it doesn’t work, it’s a heck of a lot more entertaining that the dreck that was served up Sunday! It also shows initiative and a willingness to adapt to WIN.

    Holmgren seems unwilling to take this “risk” – what’s he afraid of…getting fired? It is my opinion that he’s too steeped in the monk-like culture of NFL offensive play-calling (Miami aside). Defences almost ALWAYS fall for gimmick (I hate that term) plays because THEY’RE SO RARELY CALLED!

    C’mon Mike – dust off Coach Patera’s old playbook…at this point it sure couldn’t hurt!!!

  52. nightwulf says:

    BobbyK,
    A man can dream, can’t he? (in whining voice: “please, it’s all I have left this year”)

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