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Roger Goodell, Marshawn Lynch after the Super Bowl–and how we in the media view Lynch and the NFL

Post by Gregg Bell / The News Tribune on Feb. 3, 2015 at 2:37 pm with 104 Comments »
February 27, 2015 2:12 pm

Going through my phone photos to clear some memory space, I almost deleted this one before recognizing what it was: The biggest blow by of Super Bowl 49.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell passes running back Marshawn Lynch (left, black cap, gold headphones) just outside the Seahawks' locker room in Glendale, Ariz., Sunday night minutes after Super Bowl 49 (Gregg Bell/Staff writer).
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell (suit, blue tie, center) passes running back Marshawn Lynch (left, black cap, gold headphones) just outside the Seahawks’ locker room in Glendale, Ariz., Sunday night minutes after Super Bowl 49 (Gregg Bell/Staff writer).

I was trying to talk to Lynch as the star running back walked out of the Seahawks’ locker room before the media was allowed into it. It was minutes after Seattle decided to not run Lynch from the 1-yard line on second down with 25 seconds left and the Seahawks trailing the Patriots 28-24 in the Super Bowl. Russell Wilson threw the ball instead — to New England’s Malcolm Butler for the game-ending interception.

Lynch was on his way to hugging friends a few feet down the hallway from where I took the picture. Goodell had just presented the Super Bowl MVP trophy to Patriots quarterback Tom Brady — an award that the commissioner likely would have been giving to Lynch had the Seahawks given him a chance to score the winning touchdown from the 1. It would have been his second score of his 102-yard rushing day.

Two days earlier, in his annual state-of-the-league press conference 20 minutes away at the Phoenix Convention Center, Goodell was unequivocal in his negative opinion of Marshawn Lynch’s silent treatment toward the media. That went for last week at the Super Bowl and all season, in which the league fined Lynch $100,000 for not talking in the locker room immediately following the game at Kansas City Nov. 16.

“I think Marshawn understands the importance of the Super Bowl, the importance of his appearance, and the importance of him as an individual in this game,” Goodell said Friday. “I understand it may not be the top of his list, but everyone else is cooperating and everyone else is doing their part because it is our obligation … it comes with the privilege of playing in the Super Bowl.”

Lynch had this to say on Thursday in his final required media appearance of Super Bowl week:

“I mean, all week, I done told y’all what’s up, and for some reason y’all continue to come back,” Lynch said, an extended variation of “I’m here so I won’t fined” from Tuesday’s media day and “You know why I’m here” from Wednesday in that same hotel tent.

Marshawn Lynch makes his final media appearance before the Super Bowl.
Marshawn Lynch makes his final media appearance before the Super Bowl.

“I don’t know what story y’all are trying to get outta me. I don’t know what kind of image y’all are trying to portray of me. But it don’t matter what y’all think, what y’all say about me. When I go home at night, the same people I look in the face, my family and those that I love …”

He smiled broadly and shrugged.

“…that’s all that matters to me,” Lynch continued. “So y’all can make up whatever you want to make up, because I don’t say enough for y’all to put anything out on me. But I’ll come to y’all’s event. Y’all shove cameras and microphones down my throat… When I’m am home, in my environment, I don’t see y’all. But y’all mad at me. If y’all not mad at me, then what y’all here for?

“I got nothin’ for y’all. I already told you that, so you should know that. But y’all will sit here like y’all are now, continue doing the same thing. I am sitting here trying to prepare for a game and y’all want to ask me all these questions — which is understandable. I can live with that. But I told y’all: I’m not about to say nothin’.

“So for the remainder of my 3 minutes, because I’m here, I’m available for you — I’m here, I’m available for y’all — I done talked. All of my requirements are filled. So now for these next three minutes, I’m just going to be looking at y’all the way that y’all’s lookin’ at me.Then he looked down his phone again.

“Thank you.”

On Friday, outspoken Cardinals defensive tackle Darnell Dockett wrote a guest column for Sports Illustrated’s “Monday Morning Quarterback” page. In it, he ripped the media for being infatuated with whether Lynch does or does not speak — and not inquisitive enough and lacking initiative on writing the “real stories” NFL players care about most.

Jourdan Rodrigue, a friend of mine, an Arizona State graduate and a journalist who covers Dockett as well as all other Phoenix-area sports, dropped everything she was doing and let me know she took exception to Dockett’s view. She was PO’d in fact.

So, in the spirit of Dockett’s “guest column” to SI, I asked Jourdan to guest write a response for us here on Seahawks Insider. She was all over it.

Voila! Here it is (after I kindly asked her to tone down some of the ammunition she had in her original missile at Dockett):



I’m 23 years old, and here’s what I know about the world: Bo-diddly.

But I can tell you this – Darnell Dockett’s piece in Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback really pissed me off.

I’m just starting out in the media; just graduated last May. You can fit what I know about being a real-life writer into a red plastic kegger cup.  I don’t even think the ink on my first paycheck has dried yet.

I won’t profess to have the years of experience Gregg Bell does, or know what it’s like on the inside of a team like Darren Urban [long-time Cardinals beat writer in Arizona]. I have years to go before I’m given a beat of my own, I’m sure. I don’t know about playing through injuries at a professional level, or the ache Dockett must’ve felt watching his boys out on the field this last year or what it’s like to sit up at a podium and answer the same questions over and over again without even being able to see the eyes of the person talking at you from behind a camera.

No, I won’t pretend to know a damn thing about Dockett’s world. But here’s the thing that made me mad – he’s telling me he knows all about mine.

Dockett has grouped us – every single media member out there — into a simpering horde of sycophantic NFL butt-kissers. But I don’t know a single local guy that really wants to write another stupid pun about deflated balls or sit through another Marshawn Lynch presser. The people I know, local people like Adam Green and Kent Somers or Gregg here, they want to know about what the players care about. They want to share with the millions of people that support these players the issues that hurt them; the stories that take these larger-than-life athletes and make them relatable and human.

This is how it works, simply enough.  We check the analytics of a site to see what’s getting clicked on the most. DeflateGate and Marshawn Lynch? Okay. Guess we have to keep talking about it. Because if the world around us wants to dissect it, it’s our job to give them that information. It sucks. None of us like that. Most of us would probably take a hit from, I don’t know, a 290-pound defensive end out of Florida State, to be able to write about something that matters as much as concussions or league provisions for injured players. And to have such a large soapbox upon which to stand like MMQB? Man, I’d take two hits for that.

I know it hurts the writers, too. Hearing about those guys Dockett talks about; Junior Seau and Daryl “Moose” Johnston and the hundreds more he could list if he wanted to who have been hit so much they’ve lost themselves a little bit, that hurts us, too.

Just before I graduated, I was fortunate enough to snag an interview with a guy named Cory Hahn. He was an Arizona State baseball player – you may have heard of him, California’s own “Mr. Baseball.” He’s the kid that, while at a run-of-the-mill game without a single national guy up in the press box, slid into second base, broke his spine and was paralyzed from the chest down.

And four years later, when he graduated on time despite losing the rest of his life as he knew it and having to work his tail off for hours to even get out of bed by himself in the morning to get to class, I sat across from him and sobbed in the middle of that interview when he told me he knew he’d walk again [Jourdan's remarkable story on Hahn is here].

I’m sure there were writers who sobbed about Seau, too. I know guys out there who have even been close to pulling the trigger themselves. It hurts them too. It hurts us too. As a human being, you want what’s best for the person sitting across from you, even if you’re looking at them from behind a camera. You don’t want to turn on CNN  and see them talk themselves into a coma about Bill Belichick’s scientific methodology for four straight hours. You want to hear somebody care about what’s hurting you, what’s hurting the people you see every day.

The problem is, just as Dockett’s got to take certain measures to keep his job, we do too. If it’s something idiotic, bummer. National outlets have to stay on top of what’s trending – that’s why they’re national outlets. They’re generally covering what’s important to the masses – what’s getting clicked on. I can promise you not one local person I know wants to actually repeatedly write about these things. As a 23-year-old girl, I definitely don’t want to write about deflated balls.

But hey, Dockett can tell us we don’t know what’s important. He can glom us all together and say we don’t care about the real issues. That’s fine. He has a valid reason to be upset. He’s hurting about the things that matter, and that’s admirable. You know what? We are too. We’re out there. We have a quota to fill, but we’re out there.

Maybe what it’ll take to prove that to players like Dockett is leaning around the camera and asking the players we cover, “What do YOU want to talk about? What matters to you?” 

Maybe it’ll take a little more writing on our side, and a little deeper reading on his.

But what do I know?



Leave a comment Comments → 104
  1. vichawkfan says:

    Wow. Thats a great shot of Roger walking by Marshawn…..incredible actually. Imagine if he handed him the MVP – awkward!

  2. MEhawkfan says:

    Mr. Lynch should have been the MVP. That’s all.

  3. abqhwkfn says:

    I would think the media has plenty of opportunity to write about the things they care about. I was under the impression we lived in a society in which freedom of press and free speech is relevant. Seems to me she may be in the wrong field or not a fan of her employers agenda. That’s not Docketts fault. He’s just stating his opinion.

  4. Ewalters7354 says:

    She might wanna find another job…

  5. mquinn73 says:

    Anger, grief, acceptance…..

    I’m still angry at the way that last play went down. Initially, I blamed Bevell – but now I’ve come to understand and accept that the play itself provided an option to run or pass depending on the way the Pats defence lined up. It was Carroll who made the decision to run the pass play. Right there and then, he was playing off the back foot insofar as he let Belichick make the decision for him. The Pats went heavy D across the line of scrimmage and dared Wilson to beat them with his arm.

    Carroll went along with it and the rest is history.

    But Wilson, Lockette and Kearse have to take some of the blame too. The execution was poor. Kearse came off the line slow and too high against Browner. He needed to buy Lockette an extra 0.5 second by forcing Butler to move around Browner, but instead he didn’t get through Browner’s right shoulder and allowed Butler a clean break on the ball.

    I’ve read various comments on this forum about Wilson’s pass and I believe he should have placed it on the ‘3’ on Lockette’s jersey instead of leading him across the goal-line. It gave Butler a 50:50 chance of making a play on the ball – and he made it.

    I’m still angry. The grief will come soon but the acceptance is still a long way off….

    By the way, great insight and commentary (as usual) by Gregg and the team at the TNT. Thanks for a fantastic blog and for providing a forum for the very best Seahawks community on the web. All the posters on here make it great to follow the Seahawks, whether we win or lose. Thanks everyone!

  6. NYHawkFan says:

    Looks like Lynch has a slight smile. Goodell not so much. Must have been ticked that he forgot to wear his beats headphones.

  7. People through the years know what I think of Dockett…

    A guy like Suh is going to get astronomical dollars in FA and there’s no way we’re going to get him, but of the big money guys (not as big as what Suh is gonna get) I could see the Hawks making a run for if he hits the market is Torrey Smith. That guy is a deep threat all the way. Now, I don’t see us getting any big name FA type of guy because of having to extend Wilson and Wagner, but if we could add a player… we should could use a big play WR. Lord knows we need one. Maybe we settle for Devin Smith with the 31st overall pick?

    I’m so sick of not having a deep threat. Even though Richardson was just a rookie (and coming on), he didn’t seem to have that separation even though he was supposedly so fast. Seemed that slower DBs would run stride for stride with him the few times they did try throwing a bomb to him. He did have better hands than I thought he would though.

  8. abqhwkfn says:

    Does Matthews have great speed? Can he be a deep that? Does his performance in the SB elevate him to being a key contributor next year?

    I hope Jordan Hill can pick up where he left of last year. He was playing great. Same with Mebane. He was having an outstanding year.

  9. brucetir says:

    That’s a well written article by Jourdan. She’s not just going to be a great writer one day. She already is. However, if I correctly understand the essence of what she says, I think she’s way off. While she herself might be one who sincerely wants to know and write about the pain and hurt in the lives of athletes, that’s not what I read from most of the national media. If anything, their writing appears to be more about inflicting pain with fabricated storylines taken from statements by “anonymous team sources”…just so they can have the inside scoop and get the “clicks” that creates the trends. And it snowballs from there. So in one of the articles I read today, and has been circulating on the web, the reason PC and DB went with a pass is so RW could win the Super Bowl MVP, which is a source of resentment by the other Seahawk players. And it refers back to the mid-season article based on statements by anonymous team members that RW isn’t “black enough”. And it wouldn’t have even been brought up if Lockette would have caught the pass. And there’s NEVER any accountability for the media when they’re wrong. They want the players accountable, but not those who report about the players.

    And then, the media can’t figure out why ML won’t talk to them? I think he said it very clearly: “So y’all can make up whatever you want to make up, because I don’t say enough for y’all to put anything out on me…I don’t know what kind of image y’all are trying to portray of me. But it don’t matter what y’all think, what y’all say about me.” While I don’t agree with him in how he acts, you have to admit that he’s pretty smart. He’d rather have the media make up an image based on what he doesn’t say than to take what he does say and turn it into something it isn’t in creating an image of who he is. That’s why I’m constantly amused when I read articles that refer in a surprising way to how well loved ML by his teammates…and how surprised they are when he returns a lost wallet, etc.

    Sorry, if this offends you Gregg. It’s not directed at you (or Jourdan) in any way, shape, or form. I think you do a great job. You are honest in your reporting, without sinking into homerism. And there are many in the media who are the same way. Unfortunately, there are others who spoil it for those who are doing a good job. Didn’t mean to turn this into an article of my own and will understand if you decide not to post it or if others decide not to read it.

  10. SandpointHawk says:

    Well now Roger GODelle has a new scandal to work on. Forget the Deflategate and hopefully Marshawn’s mouth. Let’s go after Atlanta. Sorry Mr Q, you are going to be down a draft pick or two…

  11. yankinta says:

    Perfect Poem for Seahawks Players and Fans….. :)

    When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
    When the road you’re trudging seems all uphill,
    When the funds are low and the debts are high,
    And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,

    When care is pressing you down a bit-
    Rest if you must, but don’t you quit.
    Life is queer with its twists and turns,
    As every one of us sometimes learns,

    And many a fellow turns about
    When he might have won had he stuck it out.
    Don’t give up though the pace seems slow –
    You may succeed with another blow.

    Often the goal is nearer than
    It seems to a faint and faltering man;
    Often the struggler has given up
    When he might have captured the victor’s cup;

    And he learned too late when the night came down,
    How close he was to the golden crown.
    Success is failure turned inside out –
    The silver tint in the clouds of doubt,

    And you never can tell how close you are,
    It might be near when it seems afar;
    So stick to the fight when you’re hardest hit –
    It’s when things seem worst that you must not quit.

  12. MEhawkfan says:

    “I’ve read various comments on this forum about Wilson’s pass and I believe he should have placed it on the ‘3’ on Lockette’s jersey instead of leading him across the goal-line. It gave Butler a 50:50 chance of making a play on the ball – and he made it.” -mquinn73

    I don’t like the inside slant, but since that was the play, I think this analysis is right-on. Wilson tried to pass Lockette into the end zone when he should have hit him earlier and let Lockette try to run it in.

  13. MEhawkfan says:

    Wilson accepted an invite to spring training with the Rangers. Any significance to that?

  14. Jusjamn says:

    Excellent take Brucetir. It’s all about the headline drawing the click, boss (with exceptions noted above Gregg/Jourdan).

  15. When you find a site like Sando, Eric, and Gregg have made special, that’s all you really need.

    We all know that a lot of the stuff you find nationally is garbage. Not all, mind you, but a majority of it.

    I know Rant Sports isn’t like SI, ESPN, or anything like that (with respect to player access), but they are still part of the crap that gets spewed all over the internet. Garbage basically.

    When I wrote for them those two months, I really had my eyes opened (like Lynch disdains) because the emphasis was to generate hits, not quality content.

    I wrote some good stuff that I was proud of and it had minimal hits. I threw some crap together (I had to write almost one Seahawks article per day and hourse were about to run out on a few of those days) and those did about the same.

    The part that made the me most mad and jaded was a kind of experiment that I conducted. I wrote how the Hawks should trade Wilson for a ton and keep Flynn (I had very much backed the initial signing of Flynn). Basically, it was a “good” article in terms of my writing it, but it was terrible luncacy junk and it got shared like crazy. Basically, that one article got the same number of hits as about 60 other articles combined.

    The moral of the story was clear… if you do good work, people don’t care. If you spew crap, people will most definitely care and read it.

    The reason I love this site is because the content is great and Gregg doesn’t feed into the “national” crap of “Lynch won’t be with the Hawks next year” from their unnamed sources. Gregg is actually honest, doesn’t cater to crap, and reports what his educated opinion dictates. I appreciate that.

  16. freedom_X says:

    I have to agree with writers (as opposed to journalists, which are a rare breed nowadays) trying to find angles to generate interest. Or making stuff up. 4 months ago Lynch was a goner after this year.

    72 hours ago he was on the verge of signing a contract extension for life. And today, some say he’s mad and never coming back and some say he’s negotiating that extension. Somehow, I doubt all those stories were right or even had good sources backing it. Some of those are just people throwing stuff out.

    Remember last week it was 11 of 12 balls deflated in DeflateGate, and then 7 days later it’s 1 out of 12? Which is it?

  17. Gregg Bell says:

    You guys and gals watch, Jourdan is going to take my job someday (hopefully, mercifully at a time when I’ve got another job) and dazzle you all on this blog. She’s so much better than I was at age 23 it’s not even funny.

    Her last comments of “What do YOU want to talk about? What matters to you?” as a better way to begin interviews … I mean, it normally takes decades in the industry to gain that perspective. She already has me thinking of different ways I can go about reporting and writing than I’ve been doing.

    As I mentioned in my tweet intro-ing the post, bravo.

  18. WiscCory says:

    Thanks for the continued coverage, Gregg.

    On a different topic, is anyone else fed up with Doug Baldwin? What’s his problem? This media doesn’t appreciate me act is getting rather stale. His obscene TD celebration was just stupid. His angry act is just plane selfish now. Sherman’s emotion usually has merit…and Baldwin’s just seems self serving. “Look at me”! I’m really embarrassed about Baldwin, and wonder if his value is really worth the detriment he brings. I’d like to see him replaced on the roster by someone who is driven to compete instead of crying about how he’s not respected. Enough already!!

    It was sad to see how much time Wilson was getting in the first half of the SB, and how NONE of the receivers were able to get separation. Chris Matthews was our lone standout – an undrafted CFL guy who never caught a pass prior to Sunday!!! Think about it. It’s time for the WR core to get completely overhauled. Come on John – get it done!

  19. freedom_X says:

    Unforunately, if this front office has a weakness, it’s in spotting receiver talent. Not that they haven’t found anything, but the return on investment has not been good, either denominated in draft picks or free agent dollars.

    They let the one decent pick they made (Tate) walk.

    Fortunately, I don’t think they have the free agent money this offseason to blow it on another ill-conceived big money wide receiver free agent. I don’t know how many teams win Super Bowls with an all-undrafted free agent receiving corps though. We came as close as you can come, but I think one quality receiver could have made the difference, even on this defensively-oriented team.

  20. Skavage says:

    I enjoyed both Dockett’s story and Jourdan’s “rebuttal”, but I think both missed an opportunity. Bear with me as I try to explain…

    I have never liked Dockett. Neither as a player nor as a person. I’ve always thought he was pretty much a mental midget. Someone who shot off his mouth without thinking about the ramifications. Someone who played so close to the edge of dirty, that he crossed it more than once under the guise of “competition”. Yet his story here holds more truth than it does sensationalism. Problem is he is just flat wrong directing his thoughts toward “the media”. It is wrong in that Dockett stereotypes journalists much the way some of us stereotype players, politicians, even race. But his message is clear and his point is meaningful.

    NFL players get the short end of this stick in terms of compensation compared to their peers in the other top tier sports. Baseball players have it best. Millions and millions guaranteed for individual success that in any other sport would be considered abysmal. Where else can you be a success 3 out of 10 times and be considered HoF worthy?

    No other sport requires a person…a human being…to subject their body to a brutality that not only can, but that WILL affect their quality of life post playing career. Not baseball. Not Basketball. Not Hockey. Not Golf. Not Tennis. Not Soccer. They CAN, but going into a new career there is only one sport that can honestly say it WILL affect your quality of life after your career ends.

    If you look at it from afar it truly is shameful that of the major team sports in the world only football carries that type of risk with mostly non-guaranteed money. We can talk collective bargaining. We can talk individually negotiated contracts. We can even talk comparisons to the “regular Joe employee”. But in the end these guys risk far more than anyone else in terms of their future well being.

    This is also the one sport that has branded and sold itself so well, that it is leaps and bounds above any other sport in the world when it comes to making money for the ownership group.

    So when you look at the balancing scales it is grossly unbalanced that the highest net profit sports league in the world, that also has the highest health risk to it’s player base, is also the lowest in terms of guaranteed salary.

    So what is my point of all this? My point is that none of this will ever change until our priorities as fans, journalists, players and owners change.

    That said, I think the NFL is ripe for someone to step in and snatch a big part of what they have going. Those of you old enough to remember the USFL will understand just how close they came to making a viable run at the NFL’s market share. They did it by throwing money…lots of money…at some of the biggest NFL stars. And it’s not as though it hadn’t been done before. Some of you may even be old enough to remember the AFl vs NFL.

    In today’s market, with the right people running the show and a viable television contract, a new league could threaten the NFL’s dominance and eventually be a leverage for better contracts for players.

  21. sluggo42 says:

    Wiscory yup
    We need a real one. I think Norwood, PRich and Matthews can all play. Kearse and Baldwin are yesterday’s news…

  22. twillis says:

    If you haven’t heard it, check out Brock & Salk’s podcast for their show this AM. In the first hour, they had Kurt Warner on who had no problem with the call—said that from the look NE gave, it should have been a walk-in TD. He poked on some of the things that have come up around Kearse not getting BB off the LOS, NE DB making a tremendous play, and so on. He talked a lot about the thinking around going pass on 2nd. In any case, it doesn’t make it any easier to deal with, but it’s worth a listen. Pete’s comments in the 3rd hour are also interesting.

    Agree with the stuff around ADB. I love the guy’s drive, but he’s starting to wear on me too and his behavior in the game was a huge turn off after what Revis did to him.

  23. Skavage – I enjoyed the read. Thanks. Something else to think about though is the fact that it’s natural football players make less, on average, because there are 53 players on a roster. There is less than half of that on baseball rosters and only 12 on basketball rosters for the money to be divided. But I liked many of your points.

  24. freedom_X says:

    In retrospect, the play wasn’t as monumentally broken as it seemed at the time, and it had a chance if everything worked correctly.

    The issue I have is that they didn’t need to take the risk of running a play that needed 3 things to all go right (and that the Patriot player read and knew what was coming.) I have to think there was a lower-risk play. Perhaps lower reward, but they were “wasting a down” anyway, right? They were just setting things up and getting the clock right for 2 more run attempts if needed.

    But this is the mentality of the coaching staff, to take risks. This seems to come from the USC experience, but I thought Carroll finally realized he doesn’t have the talent advantage he had @USC. Remember this was a bigger deal 3 years ago and Carroll said he had to stop doing things like this.

    So while the play could have worked, it needed many things to go just right if the other team read the play correctly. It depended on deception and trickery, not individual talent winning the battles. On the 1 yd. line, I think they could have taken the Neanderthal approach and went with individual talent.

    That’s one way to describe conservative vs. aggressive – what’s the downside if the other team reads what you’re doing? And what’s the reward if you hit it? IMHO, not much more than if they had run a conservative play.

  25. arthurb says:

    We should go after Josh Gordon since pot is legal in WA. :)

  26. seatowntp says:

    I am not jumping on the bandwagon, because I have always greatly appreciated Angry Doug for his passion and intensity. I also enjoy his interviews and his ability to fluidly express himself. However, that touchdown “celebration” was obnoxious and stupid. It was an embarrassment! I don’t understand his motive or his message (I can assume both), but that was just amateurish and far less than I would expect from Doug.

  27. Percy Harvin being a moron really doomed our receivers. We paid a fortune for his talent and because he was such a moron, we got rid of him for a tiny fraction of what we paid to get him.

    Then when our early 2nd round pick rookie, PRich, tore an ACL, we were really hurting because he was becoming a solid contributor. But it’s not like our FO went into this season hoping that we’d only have undrafted free agents to make up our entire receiving core.

    I don’t think it’s fair to write off Norwood as a 4th round pick. All reports early in camp (and OTAs) were very positive. Then he got hurt. As a rookie. He pretty much redshirted. He obviously needs to make a leap from being a rookie to his second year. He will. Just how much is the question but I do think he’s going to be a contributor next season.

    I think Chris Matthews showed the other day he should be given every chance there is to contribute next year. I don’t want him overhauled either.

    Doug Baldwin as a #1 WR is a joke. However, as mad as I am at Baldwin right now for being a selfish teammate, it’s not his fault that he’s our best WR either. He needs to be a #2 or #3. He’s fine there.

    We need to draft a guy like Devin Smith who can take the top off a defense or to trade for a guy we don’t have money for like a V. Jackson. You know the Bucs aren’t going to want him in this rebuilding effort and it will only take a late round pick (he could be released). Rumors are flying Brandon Marshall won’t be in Chicago either. Remember when we almost traded for him?

    The worst part about PRich is that he tore his ACL so late in the season. There’s no way he’s going to be ready for camp and a second year guy needs those reps.

    One guy I’m jacked to see next year is a second year Marsh.

  28. Has Paul Richardson had his ACL surgery yet?

  29. vichawkfan says:

    He had surgery late last week.

    What about a guy like Andre Johnson? Better than what we got, has a year or two left in the tank I think. Maybe we hire the scout for Pittsburgh. They always seems to get solid if not great WRs late.

  30. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I think one of the big things with the receiver group, besides talent is lack of leadership. There isn’t a leader in that group. Sure Baldwin puffs out his tiny chest and tries to lead as he is the eldest receiver on the team. He fails as he is so me first and I was over looked and goes so far out of the way to let everyone that will listen and even those that don’t tell him how wronged he was. Undrafted and under appreciated. Kearse probably tunes into that as his story has similarities. When Rice was here none of this crap was going on as the entire receiver group looked up to him as the leader. Rice was not a big vocal guy, but lead by example and had a lot of born talent. Now Baldwin has lost his way with all the lame yelling at the media and making a complete jack ass both before and during the Superbowl. This team needs some serious leadership in the receiver room to refocus this group. Hopefully than can bring a vet in without dropping too much coin. Baldwin isn’t nor will he ever be the answer. Nor will Kearse. These guys have made the most of what they got, but what they got aint a lot.

  31. Mathews wouldn’t have had quite the day he had if they were calling OPI on either team – some really good shoving going on in that game – I was pretty shocked at how little they called on either side of the game –

    They clearly had a discussion to let them play – I think it opened up game a little for both teams.

  32. As far as the WR’s go. Clearly they think differently about the position than we do – but I don’t think that half of this anger would be expressed if RW would have hit Baldwin in the endzone on the last play – ADB turned and boxed his guy and had inside position at the end of that play.

    I do believe the position on the whole needs to be upgraded – BUT we did go 12-4, were the #1 seed AND made it to the SuperBowl with this group of guys and can do it again without an upgrade. It will be harder.

    This team needs to get better for next year – mainly because again teams are going to be gunning for us. Teams are going to want to prove they can score on this defense – There is also more of this team on tape now and teams are now being able to take advantage of the weaknesses.

    We are clearly good enough to compete again but if we aren’t trying to get better, we won’t be. I know it sounds easy and “always compete” but they seemed to be a little complacent at times this year.

  33. abqhwkfn says:

    I’m all for keeping Kearse. He’s made some huge plays. He seems humble. I’ve had enough of Baldwin. What he did was unacceptable. What he brings in talent isn’t worth his anger and outbursts. Too many times does RW have no one to throw the ball too. The wrs make the OL look worse then they actually are in pass protection. I’ve been critical of this position group for a long time now. I think its time for some big change with that group. RWs style is condusive to large big body type wrs able to be open when they’re not open. PRich should be the lone exception amongst a stable of trees in that wr group.

  34. abqhwkfn says:

    Baldwin, Lockett, Walters should be shown the door. The route and effort Lockett showed on that last play was pathetic. He faded towards the goaline instead of keeping with the hard slant pattern. And he didn’t attack the ball as it came towards him. He’s had enough time now. Plenty of young hungry players can run down on punt coverage and do what he does there.

  35. I love Doug, but man, his jackass behavior undermines all the good things he says/does. He has a lot of growing up to do this spring.

    I was so furious on that 2nd and goal call… appreciate that someone took my post down right away that flamed Bevell. Sometimes foul language is a blessing. I didn’t even see the fight because I’d left the building by then…

    I don’t blame the call anymore now that I understand the thinking, and the mechanics of that play. It looks so open… It was the right call and it was so close to working. Their kid made a great play. Damn

  36. twillis says:

    freedom – I don’t think the pass they called needed much deception and trickery to work. They just needed JK to drive the BB down the field a bit, RL to run a precise route, and RW to deliver the ball on the numbers. These are all 1:1 match ups in my mind and I think they kinda had all three players fail just a little so that the cumulative effect was disaster. If only one of them had executed a little better we’d be talking about dynasties and 3-petes.

    I suspect you could draw up similar things for a run: OL has to hit their blocks right, RW/MU have to have a good exchange, RW has to have a good hand-off, ML has to take the right path. We can argue about probabilities, but per Sando, this is the only pass from the 1 this entire year that was picked (granted, the 100-ish pass plays he looked at were not all slants) while there were several fumbles on runs. It’s not like worst case outcomes (pick on a pass, fumble on a run) were skewed heavily one way.

    In any case, I agree that it’s all about risk/reward. While the bulk of fans (myself included) probably come down differently, I suspect PC and DB will insist that it was the right call and the right risk/reward. I don’t necessarily agree (if I were the OC, I probably go with a pass play that gets RW out of the pocket to make the D have to deal with the threat of him keeping it—Hawks had to run a pass on one down given the TO situation, so whether you do that on 2nd or 3rd is probably down to the look the D gives you), but then again, I don’t have any insight into what the team practiced, how comfortable it was with the play, and so on.

    The more time I’ve had to come down from the screaming at Bevel through the TV and nearly punching a hole in the wall, the more I get the feeling that there’s really no one right answer here. And as several have said, you have to give props to the NE DB, he made a great play when they absolutely needed it. Brady should give the dude his MVP, because if the DB doesn’t make that pick and Brady looses another Superbowl on an improbable catch late.

  37. arthurb says:

    From the way he talks on Inside the NFL, I think Marshall is a fan of the way our team works. Would be cool if we could get someone like him.

  38. twillis says:

    ADB seems to be much more in people’s faces about the slights this season. I know the undrafted chip has always been on his shoulder and used for motivation, but it seems different this year.

    For saying he doesn’t let the noise get to him, he sure seems to be letting the noise get to him.

  39. arthurb says:

    My take on ADB is that he’s trying to get some publicity. When Real Rob was doing his video reports, Baldwin decided to do something similar. Problem is that he’s too serious.

    When Sherman was doing his 5th round draft choice spiel, ADB kind of did the same thing.

    I think with all of the publicity Lynch has gotten, I wonder if ADB sees poopgate as a way to get some extra publicity and be part of the conversation. He should start to sell the ADB toy:

  40. Twillis – For saying he doesn’t let the noise get to him, he sure seems to be letting the noise get to him.

    So VERY true!!

  41. SnakeDoctor says:

    I too am sick of Baldwins BS. It was good and have ALWAYS defended him. After seeing what he did and costing us 15 friggin yards I am done with the guy. It’s all about him. He does not represent the 12’s IMO. I used to like his me against the world chip on shoulder but it has transformed to All About Doug and not the team or 12’s. He doesn’t care what a jack ass he is turning out to be.
    I pray we can get a legitimate #1 this off season. He is a good and only good slot receiver so enough of the BS Dougie.

  42. At no time is a slant to Lockett for the SB justified, especially if you need Kearse to muscle Browner. Such a mind blowing call, it seriously does not make sense.

  43. To change the subject – How many games will BI get suspended for? 1-2-4? That whole situation was stupid

  44. SnakeDoctor says:

    Also noticed when Harvin was here and Bevel was in love with the “Bubble Screen” that our WR’s towards the end didn’t even block for him. Wish he could have used him in SPACE down the field. He was good in Minn so don’t know why he couldn’t use him down the field. Dougie really got mouthy after Harvin left like he is the #1 and everybody needs to recognize that. I really hope we do get a #1 and if Dougie doesn’t like it ship him off. Just me venting because I hate his recent attitude and think it is a real detriment to this team. Yes Dougie you are aright and thats it!

  45. slicktoxic says:

    I’d have to watch again…..too painful right now….but seems to me Irvin won’t get anymore games than Gronk. He was throwing haymakers at anyone in the area if I recall correctly

  46. HawkyHann says:

    Just saw Inside the NFL on Showtime. Wow, NFL Films did amazing work, again. Make sure you watch this weeks show… So much great audio and video footage. The best part, they clearly catch Lynch walking by Pete at the end of the game smiling and Pete looks lost. Again the video footage is superior.

  47. freedom_X says:

    There are pass plays where the risk of interception is less, even if the pass is off, the receiver runs a poor route, or the defender jumps the route. Of course, the chances of cashing in are lower too.

    On a running play or a conservative pass play, most likely the worst that would happen is a loss of a couple yards unless the player does something idiotic like try to imitate Marcus Allen in the 84 Super Bowl and reverse his field.

    Since you can fumble on any offensive possession, run or pass, it’s a wash. A run is not more risky than a pass play just because a guy might fumble a carry. And a fumble isn’t always an automatic change of possession.

    I call the final pass play a “trickery” play because it needed a lot of moving parts to work for it to succeed and/or the defender had to be duped. He wasn’t tricked, and the best that we could have hoped for was an incomplete at that point.

    If that play works, then people say it’s a brilliant call. The frustration is that brilliance and genius was not really needed in that situation, just competent execution.

    But unfortunately, you have to give credit where credit is due, and Belichick was not fooled. He prepared his player for that possibility. So the Patriots outsmarted Seattle, and that had been their advantage for most of the game anyway. Why play their game at this point? It’s what you call outsmarting yourself.

  48. bigmike04 says:

    Wow Seahawks fans turning on their own players… Thought Doug Baldwin should stayed because but so call 12’s fans will be kissing where the sun doesn’t shine when, he has a great game and will tear him a new one when, he play badly, can’t have it both way people…

  49. jawpeace says:

    Twillis- I guess Brady felt like you did as he is going to give the MVP truck to Butler.

  50. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Guys its over we lost, nobody can rewrite history. Everybody needs to move on. Sports is only entertainment and here to just create a diversion from our everyday lives. We won last year which was freaking amazing and should never be forgotten from our memories. This year we came up short but just getting there was a great accomplishment. Let’s just win it next year!

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m taking Chucks advice. (Boycotting all national media)

    And it’s working. I feel so much better.

    I can’t wait for the draft now.

    Go Hawks!!!

  52. Southendzone says:

    I read Jourdan’s article on the ASU baseball player, very well done. She made some good points above too about the media vs athlete rift from her point of view.

    I am tired of hearing the media’s main arguments of “We promote the league and make it so profitable so you owe us”.

  53. montanamike2 says:

    My main concern now is that we lost Lynch when we were on the verge of extending him.

  54. we were fooled into thinking we had a mismatch, when we clearly didn’t.

    1. asking Kearse to “rub” Browner is insane. Browner is the strongest, most physical CB in the league, and no one knows that better than us. Browner wins that battle 10 times out of 10.

    2. Counting on Lockette to execute a precice route and use his body to be physical to block the corner is asking way too much. Lockette’s biggest weakness is not running precise routes. Oh… and his hands.

    3. Wilson’s strengths are decision making, running, and deep passes. The weakest part of his game right now is the quick, accurate throw over the middle.

    So basically, the patriots tricked us into not using our best players in the way that utilizes their strengths.

    It’s frankly insulting that they try to sell this play as the “right” one.

  55. Baldwin turned on his teammates and he turned on the fans when he pulled the 15 yard crap for his own selfish purposes.

    I don’t know anything of the Irvin fight because I was so mad that I turned off the tv because I was so mad. I’ve also done a great job ignoring NFLN, ESPN, etc. I won’t put myself through any of that garbage. Was it big enough to warrant a suspension?

  56. mocarob says:

    I didn’t stop watching. After the INT there was still a chance to force NE into a safety and get the ball back with a little time left. Up until the penalty anyway.

    I suggest everyone watch Sound FX to understand how this play developed.
    I don’t believe we were tricked. The Pats were panicking and sent Malcolm Butler running onto the field late. He guessed right and jumped the route.

    Sound FX is on Thurs 5pm.
    NBC Turning Point & Inside the NFL use the same NFL Films footage for content with a little variation in how they tell the story.

  57. mocarob says:

    NFL Replay will have a 60min version of the game Thurs at 2pm and Fox Sports 1 a 30min recap show at 530pm.

  58. Or you could just give me a loaded gun, point at my head, and pull the trigger. :)

  59. Screensmoke says:

    I m tired of hearing from the media period-3 min of life I’ll never get back-who cares what she thinks -.waste of time

  60. Gregg – You saw Marsh in training camp and into the season before he broke his foot. Okay, so he was just a rookie and I know he was doing some rushing from DT earlier this year. However, do you think he may be a guy who can potentially be projected to play Leo next year?

  61. Gregg Bell says:

    BobbyK: I think that is something the Seahawks want to find out. Carroll really seems to like him. Potentially, yes. Marsh is a guy coaches had in the backs of their minds all season for 2015 and beyond.

  62. Gregg Bell says:

    Screensmoke: you are entitled to your opinion, of course. But I wasted 30 seconds of my life reading your comment, so it works both ways.

  63. MoSeahawk12 says:

    This is damaging information. Still think a risky pass in the crowded middle to a 5th string, unreliable receiver a good call?

    Seattle’s decision to throw, rather than give the league’s best power back three tries to gain one yard, will go down as among the all-time bone-headed decisions in sports annals. That was sour. Doubly sour was that New England lined up with only four defensive linemen and middle linebacker Dont’a Hightower more than five yards off the line of scrimmage. Hightower lined up in the bar of the H in “SEAHAWKS” painted in the end zone. Your columnist has no clue why he was so far off the line when Seattle needed to gain only one yard. But his position meant that if Seattle had simply done the obvious and run up the middle, at the point of attack there would have been five blockers and a power back versus four defenders.

  64. thursday says:

    Agree with nearly everyone here, way tired of Baldwin’s ish. No one with such mediocre talent should be show boating and running off his mouth like that. Also tired of our largely lame receivers, hopefully that at least can be improved.

    Someone mentioned Wilson and the Rangers, he did that last year too so I just think he probably likes playing baseball for a few weeks lool.

    Any word on who we’re looking at for DC?

  65. thursday says:

    I’d like to like that comment, Mo. Almost as if the Pats were expecting a pass….

  66. Doug Baldwin, Paul Richardson, Jermaine Kearse, Kevin Norwood, Chris Mathews….. I don’t see a single #1 WR in the group. Even as a #2, this group is, IMO, limited.

    Despite drafting two last year, obtaining a #1 WR is an off season need – again.

    O-line is an off season need – again.

    PR/KR is an off season need – again.

  67. Jusjamn says:

    Natural instinct to defend a friend, but ignoring the noise works really well. (See Empire) ;)

  68. HawkfaninMT says:

    To answer a couple of questions I have seen on here:

    -I am sure RW will go to Rangers camp, and it will not hurt his ability to prepare for next season. He did it last year, and he was ok this year!

    -The only thing I have heard on the DC search is Kris Richards is the name to be tossed around to move up and replace Quinn

  69. jawpeace says:

    Jusjamn shhh don’t even mention its name…

  70. HawkfaninMT says:

    Just for those that are ready to move forward:

    Key dates on the schedule for the offseason. Scouting combine coming up, along with Free Agency 2 weeks after that.

    Would really like to see Wags, Wilson, and Lynch settled prior to the combine.

    In my opinion after getting them extended, the focus needs to be on finding a #1 WR, and servicable CB that can take advantage of being picked on like Maxwell did

  71. jawpeace says:

    As far as Superbowl losses go. XL was worst than 49-snatching defeat from the hands of victory. Maybe it is my idealist personality type. But having the refs give the game to the Stealers(sorry Greg) was worst. That game was an injustice against the Hawks, this game was a gift to the Pats. Both suck, but injustices are always worst in my book.
    Unlike XL our team is young and not full of old Vets. Also we have most of our key pieces locked up for years to come. Unlike that year when we lost Hutch.

  72. akjester says:

    The offensive pass interference was really irritating me during the game. I doubt I am the only one that noticed that without OPI, Brady would likely have had 3 interceptions because Simon was perfectly placed for a pick in the endzone, but the receiver was holding his left arm. Of course, I also know I am a homer and that every time the Seahawks did it, like Matthews push off, that it was okay. Knowing it went both ways, I won’t complain about the OPI in the end zone that should have killed the Patriots last chance at a TD.

  73. HawkfaninMT says:

    Just a reminder that Pete Carroll is awesome:

  74. Strawdog says:

    In Defense of the Indefensible-Why that last call was reasonable.

  75. montanamike2 says:

    I just got back from the VA clinic where i saw my doctor, he asked how i’m feeling and i told him that i’ve been bummed out since Sunday night but it’s starting to get a little better. He saw my Seahawks sweatshirt and replied, that was one of the worst calls in NFL history! Then i went to the grocery store with my wife and someone asked me why we didn’t hand the ball to Lynch at the end. I just shrugged and looked shell shocked. I won’t stop being a fan of my team, but it does sting like a wasp that just keeps stinging and stinging again.

  76. montanamike2 says:

    Gregg what’s your take, will we be able to extend Lynch?

  77. Ewalters7354 says:

    The focus this offseason really needs to be set on providing RW with some big targets.Its a crying shame that a guy who had no catches during the season outplayed our top 2 targets by a wide margin.

    For once I hope they stop trading down and passing on guys who can help this team.Sure it’s worked in the past,but hasn’t worked much the last two drafts.

    Paul Richardson started coming on,but he still has been outplayed by damn near every receiver taken before him,even some after.

    All these “diamond in the rough” projects really need to take a backseat.It’s time to draft some ballers.

  78. Ewalters7354 says:

    Montana I’m with you.3 days later and I’m still extremely bummed. Usually I’m good with getting over football games,but to just GIVE away a title really hurts being that I’ve been a fan of this team for so long.It’s definitely disappointing.

  79. Gregg Bell says:

    Montana: Yes, sticking to what I’ve been saying all year. No way the offense is ready to move on without Lynch beyond 2015. No heir. No way.

  80. montanamike2 says:

    Thanks ,Gregg. Thanks too Ewalters7354, Monday i didn’t get out of bed for more than about 15 minutes. If somehow we Keep Lynch i’ll be relieved.

  81. I’m not going to criticize trading down and then drafting Richardson because:

    1. They already said they were taking Richardson at #32.

    2. Without the trade down scenario, we wouldn’t have Marsh going into next season. I like him moving forward.

  82. Thanks for everything you have done this year for us Gregg. It’s hard to even come here and read stuff right now, but I just wanted to say thank you, because you make this site a better place with all of your terrific reporting.

    This one will hurt for a while. For us, for the coaches, for the players, it’s going to hurt for a long time. I’m hoping all these injuries and surgeries go well and these guys can come back and play for each other with the same love, passion and aggression they have shown over the past couple years. Right now it feels grim. I feel like this broke our team. I hope i’m wrong. This is a talented and inspiring group. To overcome all of the IR’s, smaller injuries, Harvin and still come within ONE YARD of another SB victory is amazing. I believe this was the best team in the league will ALL of those injuries. That is telling. They can do it again next year, I just hope their mentality gets right again. That is way more than talent. Go Hawks

  83. Looks like Quinn is raiding the coaching staff– Atlanta lists Marquand Manuel as DB coach, and Chris Morgan as OLine coach. Manuel listed as Defensive Asst with Seahawks, and Morgan as Asst Offensive Line, so it is a step up for these guys..Not sure its big news, but news none the less.

  84. Ewalters7354 says:

    I feel you Bobby.Everyone is entitled to theit own opinion.Had they taken P-Rich at 32 and he had this same season,it would have looked worse than the Carp pick. As far as Marsh goes,I honestly didn’t see anything to excite me about him. Mainly because he played so little this year before getting injured. But they want him to basically be a Bennett clone and he had a ways to go before he gets there.IMO

  85. Gregg Bell says:

    rodman, thanks for the heads up, I’ll check into that.

    jboard1 and all: Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate that. I liked the give-and-take on here all season, and I just did what was most comfortable for me to do. I know I’m not deep into the stats like a Sando (who is? he’s the best on that), and I played enough into college to go bonkers on X’s and O’s, which I know some of you on here probably wanted more of.

    But as a writer and reporter this, to me, is what I should be providing: a glimpse for you where and what I am able to access and you cannot. Peel back the curtain, if you will. If I don’t do that, what good am I with all that I see and hear? I want to be more than another of the endless streams of opinions, “takes,” in today’s media. Anyone can — and do — do that. Use what I see and hear everyday to best benefit the reader, at least in the way I best know how. That’s how I view it, both in the newspaper and here on the blog.

    Thank you all again.

  86. LouieLouie says:

    Hats off to MikeInNewJersey. As much as I love the sport of football, and the Seahawks, it’s just show-biz. Entertainment. An escape from reality.

    Whether or not there were sound reasons for “The Call,” it will still go down as the worst play call in NFL history.

    I’m also worried that Wilson will forgo his opportunity for a huge contract with the Seahawks for a chance to play backup infielder for the Texas Rangers.

  87. RDPoulsbo says:

    We could always talk about taking player x y or z over Richardson, but he is what Seattle needed, just a little raw. In the last few games before going onto IR, he was playing better than I expected for his rookie season.

    Speaking of injuries, looking back, it is remarkable that the Hawks were able to be 1 play away from winning their 2nd SB in a row. The injury bug hit hard and most teams would have wilted as the body count rose. It is very much a deep team and a large number of those guys will be back. Hopefully, things won’t be as bad as they were this year in terms of injuries.

    As for Jourdan’s response, I’ve said this before: real journalism is hard work, far harder outside the sports world where people rarely want to talk to a reporter. The easy thing to do is to pump out click bait articles on par with celebrity gossip rags. That’s mostly what you get from the average sports article now, especially on the national level. Want to do a story on what matters or hurts these athletes? That requires hard work, gaining the trust of these athletes to give their story, something many won’t share with their teammates they go to battle with. It’s human nature not to want to throw out personal stuff for the rest of the media or general public to attack someone on a personal level. Just look where the Johnny Manziel story is going after he checked into rehab. It’s still possible to do these stories though, even with players that notoriously don’t want to talk. Lynch has the trust of Michael Silver and has no problem discussing things with him, so even on the national level, you can still do stories you want to do if you’re willing to put in the time and effort.

  88. ChrisHolmes says:

    Imagine if Russ had Odell Beckham…?

    There’s no doubt that WR is a position that needs an upgrade. But I’m not ready to give up on Richardson or Norwood yet. We’ve seen way too little of them to know what they’re fully capable of doing. Norwood especially. He needs some time to see what he can do, what he can grow into.

    Matthews seems like a guy built in the Pete Carroll mode. He loves those big, tall #1 receivers. Can he take the next step? It will be interesting to see. He certainly flashed on the biggest stage.

    Kearse.. seems to have hit his ceiling. He could turn into something, but he has to develop some consistency. Sadly, from my years of watching football, that doesn’t seem to be something that many guys develop (Jerry Rice the rare exception). Seems like it’s akin to quarterback accuracy. Either a guy comes out of college with consistent hands, or he doesn’t, and no amount of time in the pros changes that. Seems like if a guy has issues catching passes on a consistent basis, he always has them for the life of his career (Koren Robison).

    A deep threat like Torry Smith… now.. there’s an idea. The way Seattle throws the ball deep, the way Russ can place it, and the amount of play-action this team runs… they really do need a good deep threat. It would open up so much for the other guys. Dudes like Baldwin would find a lot more space.

    That said… Baldwin is just never going to be able to consistently beat man coverage. Teams know that about Seattle. They know they’re taking a risk playing man, because defender’s eyes aren’t on Russell for when he runs, but it’s better to cover the guys, and Seattle’s receivers just can’t get open on their own. I mean, that’s why the final play of the game was a pick play. They just can’t separate. They had to reach for a gimmick ON A SLANT PASS just to get a guy open… Down on the goal line there, it would have been nice to see Lockette run the same in-and-out route that Edelman ran for the TD (and the one he also narrowly missed on earlier in the game). But Seattle’s WR’s just can’t run those routes and create separation for themselves. The only guy I saw do it with any consistency was Richardson, toward the last half of the season.

    All of that said: A #1 receiver wouldn’t have helped on that play. If we had a #1, Revis would have covered him. Seattle threw to a #4 receiver and New England intercepted with a #5 CB. That’s what happens. The smarter play was to run to the right side. The left side was stacked and New England would have had at least two defenders unblocked to Lynch. But the right side of the formation was vulnerable…

    Oh well. Next year.

  89. RDPoulsbo says:

    Yes, I do love football, but in the end I’m not going to get hung up over that last play. In the end, it really is just entertainment. Besides, there’s nothing that can be done. On to the offseason. You can only improve by moving forward and not allow yourself to be mired in the past.

  90. C’mon, guys! Im not happy with Baldwins antics this year–especially the fake-Crap TD–but that doesnt mean we need to get rid of him!

    I dont like Lynch’s crotch grabbing and anti-establishment shtick either, but not many are calling for him to leave.

    I wont buy a Baldwin jersey now, even though Ive been his and Kearse’s biggest supporter since their first mini-camps. Kearse may end up being the guy.

    We dont have a number one WR, and we need one. We need a guy who is tall and can play physically at least, and be a Red Zone Threat. Both Baldwin and Kearse could be number 2 WR’s, IMO. But they are hampered by not having a true number 1 to play opposite, or at least another guy or two with differing skill sets to round out the group.

  91. ah, I do love Simmons:

    “Confession: Lynch won me over during Super Bowl week when he infuriated the MAWGM (Middle-Aged White Guy Media) by stonewalling them at media day, then double-downing on the F.U. with an unexpectedly gregarious performance as Gronk’s costar in Conan’s epic Mortal Kombat bit. What’s better than an athlete effectively admitting, “I’m actually entertaining and hilarious when I want to be, but I refuse to waste it on sports media assholes”?3 You have my full support, Marshawn. Come to the Pats this spring! The only quote you’ll ever have to say before and after games is “On to (the next opponent).” And we’ll give you and Gronk a reality show. You can’t lose. Name your price.”

  92. kind of forgot that the no-call on the PI aginst Lockette (where the guy fell down and slapped at his foot to trip him) was at such a crucial point in the game. it led to a 3 and out, and came with under 8 mins to go in the 4th quarter. calls get missed all the time, I know, but damn.

  93. Once again, the last play sucked and you can analyze it to death, but it never should have come down to that. Bevell and the refs blew three drives that were a gnats ass from being at least a field goal. Our D lost two players and fell apart and gave up 14 points in the fourth quarter. They allowed the Pats to score 28 points. We had no business being in position to win, and were only there due to balls calls like the TD to Matthews before the half, his long passes, or that insane catch by Kearse.

    Earl Thomas was running around screwing up and not doing his job, its obvious he was trying to be “legendary” and wasnt trusting his teammates to do their own jobs. He left KJ alone on Gronk near the goal-line, he overshot plays, and he made mental mistakes by trying to outguess, rather than read-and-react.

    Avril was the only player getting consistent pass rush. Simon was bad. Wags wasnt hitting people square, and neither was Kam. The offense choked just out of field goal range several times. The penalties. The poor play calls, the same-old-same old calls that led to punts…

    Everyone from Carrol on down made mistakes. It was a team loss.

    But they overcame key injuries, bad no-calls by the refs, and had a 10 point lead late and were in position to win with less than a minute left. Thats amazing. This team was the most resilient team I have ever seen. I hope they–and us fans–dont forget that in the aftermath of the tough loss. Because that would be a shame.

  94. Southendzone says:

    STT I definitely agree with you on those 3 drives. We went up by 10, and even with that horrible penalty Doug incurred, we stopped them on the next drive.

    Right here, this is the moment we can seize control of the game. Need to put together 1st downs and flip the field, that’s all. Not even necessarily score, but if you get a TD there the game is done.

    I also look back to those 3 unsuccessful drives as the most meaningful failure in the game. Not the final play.

  95. sherminator says:

    Gregg – I liked the piece by Jourdan Rodrique. Pass on my thanks.

    Internet journalism is still going through growing pains in that right now, clicks are what pay the bill, and headlines are what get the clicks. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve clicked on an article only to be extremely disappointed with the article. I want to read the interesting stories like what you get to post here, but I’m not sure I would click on all the articles from the headlines. I’ve found that now I pretty much stick to a few sites that I think offer quality content and ignore the Yahoo headlines.

    I don’t know what the future is going to hold, but I hope it still has a place for in-depth and thoughtful writing. You and Jourdan keep at it.

  96. Once Avril went down we were in big trouble!

  97. xcman–Agreed. I said the same thing to my family at the time…

  98. Jusjamn says:

    Avril and Bennett both played hard and great football.

    LOB & Lockette – not so much. I guess now we know why Sherman was missing so many tackles.

  99. Gregg Bell says:

    thanks sherminator. I will. appreciate it.

  100. Yes, thanks Gregg. Youre a fine writer and blog mediator. Its nice to know not all journalists are self-important Geeks like Clayton has become, or mindless scandal-generating boot-lickers.

    Your journalist friend is fierce and her passion and intelligence will carry her far. She can write about my beloved Seahawks anytime, and I’ll read it twice…

  101. NewJerseyHawk says:

    My take is the PRich starts the season on the PUP list and Norwood won’t make the team…..Schneider needs to draft Stanford’s Ty Montgomery, who can play slot WR, make catches in traffic AND more importantly, catch punts, so you don’t have to carry Walters on the roster.

    If you eliminate PRich from the early training camp/season equation and give Matthews a legitimate chance to play, you can then draft Dorian Green Beckham in the mid to late 2nd and take your chances that Green-Beckham, Matthews, Baldwin, Montgomery and PRich/Kearse are your WR’s next year….I’d keep Kearse because he probably has his best year heading into Free Agency and is still a player that has value.

    I just don’t see any way Norwood and Richardson can be counted on to do much next year and PRich is coming off an injury that may rob him of whatever explosiveness he had and he doesn’t play with any strength to overcome that aspect of losing a step. It may not be until 2016, when we see a meaningful contribution there.

    I just cannot see how Seattle can allow Wilson’s strength (ball placement on deep throws and back to endzone passes) to go to waste….Green Beckham, Matthews and Baldwin should be your top 3, with Baldwin matched up against a 3rd CB, not a 1 or 2 CB, he’s not strong enough in this offense.

    On defense, Marsh, Mebane, Avril, and Jordan Hill all missed part of playoff games or the stretch run. I would find a true run stuffing DT.

    I know it may not be popular, but back here in NJ, as an avid Husky and Seahawks fan, I think Marcus Peters is the clear cut best CB in the draft and has All Pro potential…..I know the Huskies dropped him from the program, but he still projects very high, unless there are Josh Gordon type of issues, you have to take him in the 1st and hope Green Beckham gets scared off by teams because of his past….I know taking Peters and Green Beckham is extremely high risk off the field, but I think in Seattle and within the context of this roster, the now “veterans”, Earl Thomas, Sherman, Kam, Bobby Wagner and Pete Carroll can probably keep Peters in line and out of trouble.

    I really don’t see any way we can expect to see any results next year out of Norwood, Simon, Lane (because of the nature of his break), PRichardson and frankly, there isn’t any way we can even think about starting the season without a legitimate #2 CB opposite Sherman….Maxwell needs to be signed and Peters brought in as a slot and future #2 or #1 CB….that would buy Lane and Burley time to be the #4….Pinkins can battle for the other safety spot with Jeron Johnson.

    There is a lot to be positive about, but the roster of injuries really requires that the strength of the roster (Secondary) needs to be upgraded and the WR position needs better youth and size that is affordable….I’d rather pay Maxwell and Wagner vs paying a Torrey Smith or a free agent WR….As much as team values chemistry, I think Baldwin will be a better soldier if he is passed by on the depth chart by a sizeable rookie that is developing (like a Matthews or Green-Beckham), vs paying an outsider more money than Baldwin is earning…..not that we should worry about paying a WR more than Baldwin, but ideally, he should be the vocal leader and mature into that by showing the rookies the ropes and letting their play eventually develop into #1 WR’s, while he is the ringleader.

    GreggBell….great, great work all year, appreciate the insight and it’s the best the blog has been in a very long time…..

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