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Pete Carroll, almost scoffing: No, Seahawks aren’t trading Marshawn Lynch

Post by Gregg Bell / The News Tribune on Oct. 27, 2014 at 4:30 pm with 107 Comments »
October 27, 2014 4:47 pm

No, the Seahawks aren’t trading Marshawn Lynch.

No, we don’t hate him or think he’s useless.

No, you can’t believe everything you read and hear.

Yes, that is what Pete Carroll has to say about the latest round of apparently fabricated fun being debated across the country about the Super Bowl champions. This unsubstantiated one is saying the Seahawks want to either A.) trade their four-time Pro Bowl running back before Tuesday’s 1 p.m. Pacific Time league deadline, or B.) get rid of him as they did Percy Harvin after this season ends.

“I have nothing say about that, because there is nothing to that,” Carroll said this afternoon here at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center, one day after Seattle improved to 4-3 with a 13-9 win at Carolina. “I have no idea where that came from. We have nothing to say about that.

“At this point, I don’t think it behooves us to try and respond to all these kinds of things in the locker room. Our players have told you how they feel. Our coaches have told you how we feel about it. We are in a really good place right now. … It’s just not worth it. There’s nothing to that. I don’t know where that came from.”

Asked if he talks to the marches-to-his-own-(booming-rap)-beat Lynch “regularly or semi-regularly,” Carroll interjected: “Whenever I need to.

“Look, what do you want me do … you asking me about my personal relationships with my players now?” the coach said, clearly and unusually perturbed. “We are doing great.”

Reminded by Art Thiel of Sportspress Northwest that the media doesn’t get the opportunity to get Lynch’s feelings directly on this — or any — matter, Carroll said: “He’s doing fine. He’s works his tail off. I’ve been reporting on him all the time because he’s done a great job. Since the day he got back here (from his brief contract holdout that increased his guaranteed money from $5 million to $6 million and added another $500,000 in guaranteed cash up front) he’s looked terrific. He returned in great shape and he’s busted his tail and done everything we’ve asked from him.”

Lynch has 483 yards rushing with three touchdowns on the ground and another three touchdowns receiving, the last statistic tying his career high for a season.

“You watch, we have a whole process of how we bring him back (giving him practices off each Wednesday to rest). Our trainers do a great job with him. He’s always ready to play, and he’s played his tail off. He’s doing great.”

Asked if it’s safe to presume Lynch will be a Seahawk past Tuesday’s trade deadline and Seattle will not be dealing him to San Diego, Oakland, Beijing or another city of rumor in the last hour, Carroll said with a chuckle: “Yeah. You are strong. Go ahead, you go with that.”

–On to what is real:

Carroll says middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, who has missed the last two games with turf toe, and tight end Zach Miller, who has missed the last three following ankle surgery, are still “going to be a while.” Both got looked at by a specialist over the weekend when the team was in Charlotte, N.C., and neither player got a timeline on a possible return. That means usual outside linebacker K.J. Wright will again be in the middle and Luke Willson will be the fill-in tight end against Sunday against Oakland — and indefinitely beyond that.

The coach said cornerback Byron Maxwell and center Max Unger each have a chance to play against the Raiders this weekend. Maxwell missed his second consecutive game at Carolina because of a strained calf; Tharold Simon started for him in Simon’s second NFL game. Carroll joked today with a thumb up that Simon “made it through the game.” That was a reference to him spraining his ankle two games ago at St. Louis and then getting thrown out of the exhibition opener at Denver in August for fighting — before he then had knee surgery that sideline him for all of September and half of October.

Safety Jeron Johnson got a concussion on the kickoff following the Seahawks’ go-ahead touchdown at Carolina with 47 seconds remaining in the game.

Carroll said linebacker Malcolm Smith has a mild groin strain.

–Sounds to me like two rookies have earned more chances off their play at Carolina: wide receiver and kickoff returner Paul Richardson and outside linebacker Kevin Pierre-Louis.

Carroll wouldn’t commit to Richardson again returning kickoffs as he did against the Panthers while Bryan Walters was out with a concussion. Walters may be back to play Sunday against Oakland, and my sense is Walters will return punts and Richardson kickoffs. Carroll said he wanted to start Richardson out on kickoff returns first rather than points because there is far more for a punt returner to handle. The team trusts Walters to be sure-handed and make good decisions returning punts. Kickoffs are relatively — and literally — more straightforward and Richardson can show off his blazing speed there, as he did running back Carolina’s kickoff 47 yards in the first quarter to set up Seattle’s only score of the first half, a field goal.

Carroll liked how Pierre-Louis blitzed and ran to the ball in pass coverage and run support at Carolina in his first extended playing time  (20 snaps) at outside linebacker after Smith got hurt.

Here are the snap counts from yesterday’s game:

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  1. FleaFlicker says:

    Off-topic but still Seahawks related. Set your DVR!

    ESPN 30 for 30 documentary about none other than The Boz

    http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=brianandtheboz

    On the air Tuesday (10/28) at 6pm on ESPN

  2. FleaFlicker says:

    It will be interesting if Malcolm Smith is out for an extended period and KPL gets all his snaps. The kid has incredible raw speed; if he can slow the game down a bit then look out.

  3. Ray_Maines says:

    This doesn’t have much, if anything, to do with the above post, but…..

    Doug Baldwin says RW isn’t black enough is an insult to our race

    I say RW is black enough to redefine what a black person is.

    and I know my disdain for celebrations after every down is just an old white guy huffing and puffing, but I thought this was funny.

  4. Who has a better yards per snap than Lockette this year? No one!

  5. “I say RW is black enough to redefine what a black person is.”

    Yikes. No.

    Wilson is not redefining “what a black person is”. Except in the minds of the very backward and ignorant, who don’t know that a black person can be just as erudite and eloquent as any other color of person. Sheesh.

  6. Ray_Maines says:

    There have only been a couple of things I can look back on and say I was right and the Seahawks were wrong (not drafting Olin Krutz was one) and I said at the time the Seahawks won the lottery and the right to draft The Boz, they should have traded that pick to Oakland.

    Did that make sense? I wanted to draft OK, and not draft Bozworth. You can ask my wife, she’ll back my story.

  7. Ray_Maines says:

    rbuzby: Yeah, I knew I was skating on some pretty thin ice with that one, but there are some people out there that fit that description. Some of those people may even play pro football. I’ll let it drop if you will. Thanks.

  8. I can’t watch that “The Boz” show. It’s too sad. So much invested in him for so little return.

    I remember driving home from my construction labor job, trying to get to the tv before the game was underway. I think that was when KOMO 4 actually delayed MNF. Hard to believe but they did, for years. The game was more or less decided before I even got home.

  9. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    It’s good to hear that we’re keeping Lynch. Although there is a marginal possibility that Pete is using subterfuge when discussing Lynch, I have to believe that everyone knows that Marshawn is still the offense’s workhorse, and contributes hugely to the team’s identity.

    Speaking of the trade deadline, I hope the FO finds a way to bring in a pass rusher, or two. Despite Irvin’s two sacks yesterday, lack of an effective pass rush is our biggest problem moving forward. It seems that even when they do get to the QB, the pass rushers we currently have are incapable of bringing opposing QB’s down.

    Lastly, how much did it suck yesterday to see Kelvin Benjamin make all those plays, knowing we passed him over in the draft when we needed a receiver? So far, our most recent draft choices have been mediocre at best. If we miss again like that in the 2015 draft, we won’t be able to compete against the 49rs or Arizona.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    All I know & care is that Wilson’s QB enough to redefine what a QB is.

  11. Lockette has emerged as a good WR this season. He has made some tough catches.

    Yes, I do wish the Seahawks had at least one of those giant 6-3+ WRs that some other teams have. But they don’t. They need to draft some monster O linemen, before going after WRs. Stay tuned. I expect an O line heavy draft next time.

  12. Dukeshire

    That is the most odd Seahawks thing I have ever seen. Times 11.

    Holy cow. Wow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5SZm4Q0wH8

  13. Dukeshire says:

    It’s so funny. It’s not what you think it is. It’s a trombone. Lol

  14. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Yeah, I agree with that rbuzby. I think that we are getting beat in the trenches too much. That weakness was highlighted in the Dallas game. If I had my say in the upcoming draft, in the first two rounds I’d choose the best offensive lineman and the best defensive lineman (in an order dependent upon which prospect was better) available. Then, I’d use a later round pick on another offensive lineman.

    The team is about to give Russell Wilson a huge contract. It makes no sense to do that knowing we can’t protect him. If we don’t improve the offensive line, would anyone be surprised if Wilson sustained a season ending injury after he gets his new contract?

  15. montanamike2 says:

    Count me in too. O-line is top priority, if there’s a Megatron there then grab him, but o-line all the way.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Drafting for O-line help early in the draft next year is fine by me however don’t expect the O-line to suddenly improve.
    It will take at least a year or two to see any kind of improvement & that’s if we’re lucky.
    Especially picking near the end of the first round.

    Now if we can sign a top free agent O-lineman or two we would have a chance for improving the O-line next year.

    I expect Britt & Sweezy to be better & I hope Okunger will be healthy so if we can upgrade Carp too our line will be fine.

  17. We didn’t pass on Benjamin – he was picked before us

  18. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Redskins just drove 80 yards down the Cowboys throats for the lead. Probably won’t be able to hold it, but they are giving the 6-1 Cowboys all they can handle right now. With Colt McCoy at QB.

  19. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Romo just got blasted on a sack and is down. Not moving.

  20. The Cowboys are disproving this myth of the “great OL.” If this was the Seahawks, you guys would be howling about the POS line like crazy.

  21. Ray_Maines says:

    The ‘Boys are my final Pigskin Pick of the weekend, they better win!

  22. montanamike2 says:

    Romo reinjured his back, Weeden time!

  23. Gotta wonder if that’s career ending for Romo.

  24. Aiken has been harping that point for awhile.. Troy had to quit becuz of his back..

  25. Southendzone says:

    The Earl Thomas old spice thing kicks ass, trombone part and the swag thing are hilarious

  26. That guy FlynnSannity on the chat said that McCoy will beat the Cowboys..

  27. Guess who the Cardinals play next week?

  28. montanamike2 says:
  29. Not so bad. Hawks control their own destiny. (if Cowboys start losing)

  30. jawpeace says:

    What is funny is everyone was having a crap storm with Thomas returning punts. But I have not seen hardly any mention of Sherman returning punts yesterday? I am guessing by Pete’s statements that when Walters returns from his concussion that he will still be returning punts but Richardson will keep the kick off return job.

  31. montanamike2 says:

    I was holding my breath that Sherman wouldn’t get hurt.

  32. I thought Aikman quit because of concussions.

    Any Given Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday, or Saturday, or from London, or something else they decide).

  33. Do the Skins get more MNF games than Hawks?

  34. Nice to see the ‘boys lose.

  35. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/tony-romo-surgery-troy-aikman-concerned-dallas-cowboys

    Troy Aikman was 34 when he retired from the NFL because of back issues. Tony Romo, who is coming off a second back surgery in the past year, will be 34 at the start of the 2014 NFL season. (Yeah, the age thing blew our minds too.)

  36. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Yes they did.

  37. Romo never should have gone back in. He was clearly hurt and couldn’t put any mustard on the ball.

    On another note, it’s amazing what a stud like DeSean Jackson can do for bums like Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy.

  38. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Even really good O-lines have bad games. Cowboys would have won if Romo stayed out.

  39. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Should add they really only had a bad night in pass pro. (5 sacks) Running plays they averaged a nice 6.6 yards per rush.

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    What’s up with Mebane grading in the Red so often this season?

    Could it be he’s been more of a beneficiary of a healthy Wags & Kam?

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2014/10/27/pro-football-focus-reviews-sundays-seahawks-game/

  41. Southendzone says:

    One of our blog members is going to be super happy today over this link.

    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/10/27/andrew-luck-struggles-to-be-great/

  42. Was Dallas’s OL that bad last night or were the SKins just sending everyone at them? Also, isn’t that what the Carndinals do? If so, Dallas is going to be in trouble again next week, especially with a broke Romo. Wilson better pay attension because if thats what AZ does and it works against a decent OL like Dallas’s, if he doesn’t get it out with the quickness, it could get ugly real quick for us when we play them.

  43. The Seahawks owned the Cowboys OL for most of the 2nd half. Murray’s statline was 25 for 66, the Cowboys had scored a mere 3 points on one long play plus a 56 yard FG.

    Then Bruce Irvin missed the 3rd and 20 and the whole narrative changed.

    But does that mean the Cowboys had a great OL or a QB who was required to make great plays?

    The story of the bad Seahawks OL amuses me. Every team’s fans complain about the OL and the reality is there is no such thing as the “mythical great OL” you guys are looking for.

  44. confucious says:

    I agree Pabs. That’s why it’s so important for the run to be the staple of our offense. It’s hard for even the most talented and cohesive OL to be put in pass protection the majority of the time. Let alone a young and injured line as we currently have. Play selection itself can make or break the success of that group
    Penalties, as was mentioned in the last thread, is our lines biggest issue at this point. IMO.

  45. HawkfaninMT says:

    Just to play a little hypothetical game for the day…

    I would love to see:

    Harvin pick to Bucs for V-Jax (1:14 for RW to VJ: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000131554/2013-Pro-Bowl-Vincent-Jackson-highlights)
    7th to Jags for Clemmons

    Just for “S and Gs” I looked at the free agents expected to be out there for next year, some pretty good names if we can’t get some of our own guys re-upped!

  46. Can’t pay $10m a year for Jackson and he’s not taking any less. WR isn’t a strength but it’s not a need.

    Now if they could ship a 6th off to Jacksonville for Clemons, I feel that would help their chances down the stretch tremendously.

  47. Dukeshire says:

    Is there really a question whether the Cowboys have one of the league’s best offensive lines, or not? They clearly do. I’m surprised this is a topic, but whatever.

    pab – You’ve mentioned that regarding Clemons a few times, an man, we both know that’s not going to happen, nor was it ever a possibility, for good or ill.

  48. NewJerseyHawk says:

    agree with pabuwal….Clemons over Jackson makes much more sense if you are looking at a trade…..Schneider is working the phones, I’d be shocked if a move is not made by 4PM ET….If you add a player that is already familiar with the environment here, it’s not as shocking as it would be to add a Jackson or new person to the mix.

    If you are talking to Tampa and you can somehow get McDonald AND Jackson, then it would probably cost a current WR on the roster, which I doubt we would do in moving a Norwood or Richardson. But the run defense inside and solving the #1 WR item would expand the offense and make Seattle less reliant on defense to dominate. Baldwin as a #2 would be a huge upgrade to the offense, he would draw single coverage while Jackson would draw double coverage in the redzone.

    Football is such a great sport and I am counting down to 4PM folks, stay tuned…!!

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would trade a first round pick to get Clemens & big Red back for just this season.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Clemons

  51. CDHawkFan says:

    Jesus, some of these ‘trades’ ideas are so homeristic, if that is a word.

    Let me throw out one; trading Aaron Curry old pads for JJ Watt and their 1st round pick for the next 5 years.

    Get real everyone.

  52. NJHawk – I live near you and was wondering if I’ve met you before. Did you buy a house last year?

  53. I believe I rad a stat last week when we were concerned about our sacks and the DL. Bennett and Avril while having only 5 sacks were league leaders in hurries to the tune of about 16-18 each. I scanned down to clemons who had 4 sacks by himself but only 4 hurries and 1-2 tackles? That means he is putting pressure on the QB about 1/3 of the time that the other two are. Still that said, if Clemons can be had for a 6-7th pick it’s a no brainer.

    Heard lots of talk about TB’s jackson and agree that while WR is not a hawk strength its not a need also.

    Lots of complaining about hawks OL and while I agree it’s not the best also agree that neither is any other teams. SF can’t be happy right now. But hawk fans might feel a bit better if they watched the caralina game again and focused on the center on both run and pass plays. It seems most of the break downs began with the player opposing the hawks 3rd string center, and when it wasn’t that it was another player who was oppisite the TE. Half that problem will be resolved this week when Unger comes back unfortunatly the other half is still waiting on Miller to return.

  54. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Agreed – We should be calling Gus Bradley for some help! Schofield has not been able to do what Clemons did and Bennett has been playing too much. Not sure we have anything they are looking for other then draft picks but you never know.

    I have noticed that there a few hawk fans on here are from NJ which is to hear and see.. I grew up in Cedar Grove(essex county) and now live in Riverdale(morris county).

  55. doubledink says:

    NewJerseyHawk, Don’t hold your breath til 4:00. no trades are happening.

    Regarding V. Jackson, PC has already shown his belief in the guys he drafted at WR by talking how they are on the path they envisioned for them, work them early within the system and benefit later in the season from the early work. He is not going to trade future capital for an expensive WR who doesn’t know the system who would displace playing time for a draft choice who knows the system and needs the reps.

  56. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Cdhawkfan: At this time 2 weeks ago would you have thought it crazy to trade Harvin for a 6th? I Know I would have… So what is so “homeristic” about thinking that a 1-6 team would do the same for a guy they probably won’t have next year?

  57. HawkfaninMT says:

    Don’t take my bringing it up as me thinking it will happen… But I don’t think it is anywhere near the realm of “Curry’s pads for Watt and a 1st.”

    It was simply brought up as a conversation piece on the day the trade deadline takes place.

  58. CDHawkFan says:

    The Harvin trade doesn’t apply as my point isn’t about ‘crazy’ in regards to seeing someone traded, my point was expecting to get someone for so little. To assume it makes sense for all parties involved, kind of like expecting to get a 2nd rounder for Matt Flynn.

    If you are taking about conversation for conversation sake, then I think people wishful thinking should keep kept in check. Sure that is my opinion, but some of the suggestions are clearly homeristic.

  59. HawkfaninMT says:

    Like which ones?

  60. HawkfaninMT says:

    And the Harvin trade does hold baring here… The shock, at least to me, wasn’t as much that he was traded. The shock to me was the compensation.

    If I were on Jets message board and someone 2 weeks ago said they could have Harvin for a 6th, I would have said they are crazy. But apparently that is the going rate for a talented player, with a contract that is expendable after this year. Such is Harvin and Jackson.

  61. GeorgiaHawk says:

    First rounder for Clems & Red could help our core get over the hump for this season.

    This season is what matters most so long as we keep our core together.

    Low first or second round picks to get it done is a small price to pay if the goal is to win a Super Bowl again this season imo.

  62. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs

    How is Avril doing?

  63. Avril will be fine if he can face an undrafted FA every week.

  64. Funny. I had given up on Pierre-Louis contributing on anything but Special Teams this year, and he played really well in spot duty. He looked raw, but fast and seemed to have a nose for the ball. Kinda like a faster Croyle, and you all know Im a big Croyle fan.

    Im still concerned about his durability. But he looks like another late-round steal.

    I remember that when asked which guy or guys Seattle just had to get in the draft, they named Pinkston, and then talked about Pierre-Louis.

  65. Here comes the rage because Im going to post a couple comments in a row. Save your breath; if you dont want to read my comment, then dont.

    The reports of dissatisfaction with Lynch sounded like rumor-mongering to me, but Im still relieved to see Carrol so annoyed by the reports. Admittedly, I was against trading for Lynch–even at the bargain price–because of his off-field behavior; and he’s been busted for suspected DUI here as well. But all things considered, Lynch has been the soul of our team and I really like the guy, not just the way he plays–which is beyond reproach–but his goofy personality. He reminds me of a successful version of one of my cousins–without some of the “Issues”. Incidentally, the kids a big Lynch fan too, and even looks like him when he wears his jersey lol!

    On Lockette; he’s made a couple jaw-dropping plays, but he’s been demoted below not only two rookies (Norwood, Richardson) but Walters as well. For a reason. He isnt consistent, and he still drops passes. He’s dropped two this year (by my count) in limited duty. Sure, its harder to have a low drop percentage when youre playing only spot duty, but Im holding him to the same standard some used to hold Kearse to.

  66. Southendzone says:

    1st round for Clem and Red? I’m not giving up our 1st round pick for anything but elite level proven talent. There’s no way that trade goes down. Even Mother Goose fairy tales editor denied publication of that trade.

    This team can’t blow any more high draft picks either in terrible trades, or terrible picks. Time to start using them and using them right.

  67. Guess the WR –

    8 targets
    6 receptions
    75% completion rate
    107 yards
    13.5 yards per target
    2 TDs
    25% of targets for TDs

    One hint-it’s not Bryan Walters.

    Now guess the WR again-

    10 targets
    5 receptions
    50% completion rate
    44 yards
    4.4 yards per target
    0 TDs
    0% of targets for TDs

    One hint, it’s not Ricardo Lockette.

  68. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Our run D is top five and don’t think Red would improve that much. He was a great player/leader while here, but that ship has sailed and the guys we have are doing well, even with all the linebacker injuries. Clem would be interesting on the cheap, but not holding my breath for that. Agree with Southern, as we will be picking late in the draft again, let’s make it count.

  69. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Lockette
    Kearse

  70. Does 10 targets mean 10 catchable balls to assume 5 balls were dropped?

  71. trout_hound says:

    What’s the deal with Croyle? I thought he was in as Wags back up, but they must have lost faith in him in one of the games and decided to move KJ over. Don’t remember him really struggling. Maybe he is hurt? Maybe Greg can shed some light on that.

  72. chuck_easton says:

    HawkfaninMT,

    The compensation for Harvin may be ‘shocking’ to you until you consider that Seattle was happy to get anything for him.

    Apparently if they couldn’t get a trade partner they were prepared to cut him outright and just pay him to go away.

    So, Seattle gets another draft pick AND they get some other team to take the remainder of Harvin’s contract off their hands.

  73. Has Russell commented on what happened with the botched throw to Helfet? He clearly didn’t have the ball firmly in his grasp for the throw which would have been a sure TD. Was he worried about crossing the line of scrimmage and needed to get it off fast?

  74. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Chuck: I completely agree now. But the context of my discussion was more in the vein of “If you had told me 2 weeks ago we would trade Harvin for a 6th I would be shocked”

    At the time I was quite shocked for the price. Having heard all the behind the scenes, and especially given they were prepared to cut him… I feel like it was a great deal.

  75. jm – I heard his comments about the botched pass. Kinda joked that he would like to have that back – just slipped out of his hand because he never got a good grip

  76. yankinta says:

    The only Trade YankinTa approves of is Trading our 6th round pick next year for Clinton McDonald. The rest of the trades suggested here are crazy/short sighted Deals. I know for a fact that JS/PC would never go for it. How do I know? Based on their track record since they’ve been here in Seattle.

    The goal of this FO has ALWAYS been to BUILD A DYNASTY. We ARE building a Dynasty and We WILL Win 3-5 SB out of a 10 year Span,… 1 down, 2-4 more to go. :)

  77. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs

    How is Mebane doing?

  78. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,

    Giants Defense is second in the league with 11 interceptions.. Should we set the over and under for Andrew Luck’s int for Monday night’s game at 2.5?? I think I will take the Over. :)

  79. Southendzone says:

    yakinta, you must be happy that someone finally proposed a more unrealistic trade than your “We will get a 3rd rounder for Matt Flynn” prediction.

  80. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yankinta

    McDonald was a one trick pony.

    Dynasties aren’t built around one trick ponies.

    BTW How is Foles doing & the Colts D?

  81. doubledink says:

    Now, Yank. There you go confusing facts with opinions again. Your opinion is fine but it is not a fact. A fact is something that has already happened, not an assumption of what might happen base on previous facts.

    But opinions are welcome.

  82. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I love talking in 3rd person…..

  83. 3-5 SB out of a 10 year Span,… 1 down, 2-4 more to go. :)

    funny it was 3 out of 5 just 2 weeks ago….

  84. CDHawkFan says:

    MT, JS admitted that he told all the interested GM’s about Harvin past in Seattle, all those GM heard the stories about Minny as well and all they could get was a 6th round pick. Not 4th, 5th, but one lousy a 6th. In a little over a year, his value went from 1st, 3rd, and 7th to a 6th, that is how much baggage he has. So now knowing what you know about Harvin, you suggest his value is comparable to V. Jackson?

    To me V. Jackson could/would demand more (unless there is some dirt that no one knows about), for just a 6th, why does TB move him for only a 6th? I see suggestions online that they want a 2nd round pick for him, might settle for a 3rd, that is a big difference to a 6th.

    Same goes for Clem, is someone in Jacksonville waiting in the wings, does Jacksonville think they over spent to sign him, does Gus not see value in having him in the line-up? Taking a 7th for Clem makes Jacksonville look like they made a mistake by signing him last year, is it worth it for their GM to have this come off as a mistake? Does a 7th make their team any better?

    McDonald and Jackson for a package that includes Richardson or Norwood, mind you the person didn’t even say package, but I hope that is what they meant. If a package, it would have to be something like our 1st next year and Richardson/Norwood.

    GA saying Clem and Red for our 1st, so in that case, that means if Clem is only worth a 7th, the Red is worth an early 2nd rounder…again, lets get real folks.

  85. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Massive trade!!!!
    We just traded yankinta to the Colts blog for future peace and quiet.
    Eagles actually turned down the trade earlier. Foles was against the additional bad luck that started once he was anointed top five.

  86. yankinta says:

    lol,, I don’t remember saying 3 out of 5 being the definition for Dynasty… It’s a common knowledge that 3 out of 10 years is a Dynasty..

    GeorgiaHawk,, I didn’t say Clint would help build a Dynasty. he’d definitely help this year for sure. My point was to not give up the world for old players like Chris Clemons or Red or V Jackson.

    Southendzone,, yeah I wrong about Matt Flynn trade value (I thought our FO wouldn’t trade unless we get a 3rd) because I didn’t have any idea Cliff and Bennett would come here for cheap deals.. FO was forced to trade Flynn since they needed Cap Space from Flynn. It was good though, as a result we won our First SB EVER!.. I’m glad I was wrong. :)

  87. CDHawkFan says:

    For the record, it was Yanker who first said Flynn for a 2nd round pick.

  88. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, Nick Foles is doing bad so far. His QB rating is only 80. But then he hasn’t gotten to play against JV teams half the games, like Luck has so far this season…

    Too bad people on this blog were scared to bet me in Nick versus Andrew in QB rating for the entire season. They’d be winning right now. But they were scared cuz they knew Luck couldn’t be trusted based in his Career QB rating during his first 2 years in the league. :)

  89. Yank – just admit you never watched Foles last year. You went off his stat line and didn’t understand what a mirage last year was.

    Despite repeated attempts to inform you of this during the offseason.

  90. yankinta says:

    lol, yes I did. I watched all the games that were on TV in Seattle Area. I watched the playoff game too. Further more, I watched a ton of his games at Arizona. I thought at one point, I wanted Seahawks to draft him, especially when he played UW. he played pretty well.

    I still think he’ll be okay. Phillies O-Line has been hurt and suspended since the 1st game of the Season. He’ll be fine once he gets all his O-Line back. Plus Eagles SOS has been pretty tough so far. And It does not get easier in the 2nd half of the season. We will truly find out if he’s the real deal. :)

  91. pabs–Those stats in a vacuum dont tell the whole story, and anyone who watched our games knows it.

    Walters has gotten open multiple times, and RW has missed him or not been able to even look his way. I havent seen Lockette getting open much. Also, how many snaps have each received? I’d say its pretty clear Lockette has worked himself into last place on the WR depth chart. Even Norwood is ahead of him.

    Walters ran a great crossing route on third down in the third game I think it was, and had the speed to run away from his DB, but RW choked on the throw and sailed it behind him. I also saw him open deep down the right sideline in another game, waving his arm, and RW never looked his way. Again, I haven seen Lockette in a similar situation.

    Walters may not be the next Tom Waddle, but Lockette reminds no one of Jerry Rice or even James Jett.

  92. Rams traded a fourth and sixth for Barron. Lovie Smith is doing a terrible job, jettisoning good and/or talented players simply because they dont fit his rigid Tampa 2. They got a good deal on a kid with a lot of potential. Even if he remains a huge disappointment based on his initial draft slot, he’s a good bet to be well worth what Fisher gave up to get him.

    I wish he’d gone out of the NFC West.

    Too bad the Rams cant beat anyone but Seattle lol!

  93. Still don’t get your man crush on Walters and disdain for Lockette as a WR who has played quite well this season….Walters is the pure definition of a “pedestrian” receiver….and you blame the QB for him not getting thrown to…whatever dude, whatever….

  94. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    @DFloydd- B Walters is a poor mans Paul Skansi…

  95. I agree….he hasn’t shown me anything special at all….as a WR or PR…he’s just plain OK…that’s it…to claim a receiver is great with no stats to back it up just because he was seen running wide open on a play and didn’t get thrown to makes no sense, man….

  96. Paul Skansi was a solid player

  97. sluggo42 says:

    A first for Red and Clem? Maybe when pigs fly, or the raiders win a SB.
    A 6th at best for CLEM, And Red? Nothing…

    VJ isn’t what we need, but Clem would definitely be helpful.

  98. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Plain & simple Walters isn’t durable or talented enough to have any meaningful consistent production.

    He is PS & emergency call up material & that is all he will ever be.

    I like his heart but he is what he is.

  99. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Deadline has passed so no deals this season.

  100. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why not a first round pick?

    I don’t expect anything close to that but the point I was making, (didn’t think I would have to explain it but some…)

    Anyways the hidden point to some I was making is- probably(our d-line rotation) is the most important thing for this team to have working good if we are to win the Super Bowl again this season.

    I don’t give a flip if we waste a high pick in next years draft (that will probably be wasted anyways) to have a deep rested rotation again & a decent (Clem) pass rusher.

    Manning could kill us if our d-line is not fresh & putting pressure on him.

    But go ahead & keep believing we will hit the lottery with the number 30 + pick in the draft.

    Maybe we will find a LT that will take two years to develop.

  101. Thanks LVHawk. RW did redeem himself later of course.

  102. I don’t know why anyone is excited for Walters or Lockette as a WR ……..

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