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Seahawks: “We will defer to the league” after NFL fines team $300,000, takes away 2 minicamp practices for too much offseason hitting

Post by Gregg Bell / The News Tribune on Aug. 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm with 84 Comments »
August 26, 2014 7:54 pm

The NFL has confirmed to the News Tribune the news first reported today by ESPN’s Chris Mortenson that the league has penalized the Seahawks and coach Pete Carroll for practicing too hard this past offseason.

“The Seahawks will forfeit its first two days of on-field double practices during its 2015 mandatory minicamp for veteran players and will be permitted a single 2 ½-hour on-field practice session on the final day of its minicamp,” league spokesman Randall Liu wrote to me in an email this afternoon. “Seahawks players will be paid for the cancelled practice sessions. The violation was for permitting the club’s players to engage in excessive levels of on-field physical contact during the team’s 2014 mandatory minicamp for veteran players.”

A Seahawks spokesman responded to my request for comment with: “We will defer to the league.”

Carroll was fined, though it is unclear how much he has to pay of the NFL’s $300,000 fine to the Seahawks over this case.

The Seahawks had a mandatory veteran minicamp with media availability beginning on Tuesday, June 17 and running through June 19. This violation occurred then.

June 18 was the day wide receiver Phil Bates fought with cornerback Richard Sherman at an OTA practice.

Seahawks wide receiver Phil Bates is pulled away by teammates following a fight with cornerback Richard Sherman during a minicamp practice on June 18 (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson).
Seahawks wide receiver Phil Bates is pulled away by teammates following a fight with cornerback Richard Sherman during a minicamp practice on June 18 (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson).

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network and NFL.com, who was here at Seahawks camp yesterday, reports via Twitter that the “@NFL requested the tapes of their #Seahawks practices, which included a fight, deemed CBA violations to have occurred. They appealed & lost”

Article 22 of the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement with its players specifies that teams are allowed to have one mandatory minicamp that must happen during “phase three” of offseason workouts. Article 21, section II of the CBA specifies that “No live contact is permitted” during this phase. The CBA prohibits one-on-one or offense-versus-defense drills and pass-rush drills between offensive and defensive linemen.

“Clubs may require players to wear helmets; no shells (almost shoulder pads worn under practice jerseys in less-than-full-contact practices) are permitted,” the CBA states.

The irony here, if that’s the correct word,  is that the Seahawks haven’t done any full contact in any of their training-camp or preseason practices. Coach Pete Carroll has stated his curiosity in seeing how his team tackles and is conditioning-wise during exhibition games this month, given they haven’t been hitting other than in interior line play during practices this preseason.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Lol,
    What a joke!!!

  2. seahawksteven777 says:

    It’s just frustrating how fans of other teams think the Seahawks “cheat.” I know, nothing new but it gets really annoying after a while. I guess breaking a rule is cheating now. I can shout in the library and that’ll be considered cheating. That’s the logic fans use. It’s just so funny at how uneducated people can be.

  3. Gregg Bell says:

    Personally, $300,000 to a team owned by Paul Allen and two practices in May or June is no big whoop, but the nation is going to enjoy branding this as “cheating.”

    So when do the games begin for real? Oh, yeah, nine days. Good deal.

  4. WiscCory says:

    “I didn’t think I was going to play at all,” Pryor said. “That’s my fault. I own up to that.” Pryor just lost HUGE points in my book, and I already had him well behind TJax. So….I’d like to see only 2 QBs on the final roster.

    $300k to Paul Allen is like a nickel to me. The loss of 2 practices would be a big deal for a team that doesn’t tackle well. The Seahawks are good there! I put this in the “so what” category.

  5. Now that the Saehawks have been exposed as cheaters, I am switching my allegiance to the New England Patriots. It’s been nice knowing you guys.

  6. freedom_X says:

    I would have thought, if anything, Carroll’s practices would have been on the “easy” side, given his emphasis on taking care of the players and making sure they hold up for the long haul. This was a bit surprising.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yep! I’m jumping ship too. Time to go back to the Raiders.

    I can no longer root for an accused cheating team again.

  8. Hubrismh says:

    Were any other teams penalized? With this amounts to is another couple days of relaxation for the most intense team in the league. Next thing you know they’ll get penalized for watching too much film.
    RW Will get penalized for saying the Correct things too often.
    Pete will be penalized four hours for excessive gum chewing.
    Richard Sherman will be penalized for labeling Roger Godell as mediocre.
    Percy and PRich will be penalized for being too fast.

    So it’s zero practice time next year, they will win the third Super Bowl in a row.

  9. chuck_easton says:

    I will renounce my 12th man certificate as well.

    HAIL TO THE POTOMAC BASIN INDIGINEOUS PEOPLE!!!!

  10. banosser says:

    BFD… Repeat

  11. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Nothing but WNBA for me from now on!
    Curses into the air with right hand and head tilted up at slight angle.

  12. -Personally, $300,000 to a team owned by Paul Allen and two practices in May or June is no big whoop, but the nation is going to enjoy branding this as “cheating.” So when do the games begin for real? Oh, yeah, nine days. Good deal.

    We finally have somebody running this page who has a personality.. Nice!

    First we’re too physical on D.. Now we’re too physical during practice. Next up, Penalize Beast for running to hard.

  13. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I think it’s because they’ve had the fewest defensive calls for holding and contact past five yards in preseason. They were supposed to lead the league in those areas.

    Future CBA will prevent the Seahawks from drafting any defensive players, or signing them in free agency.

  14. What kind of gum does Petey chew anyway? Gregg?

  15. chuck_easton says:

    So, let me get this straight.

    Two PLAYERS get in a fight during mini-camp.
    The PLAYERS UNION complains that the team is allowing PLAYERS to make contact.
    The TEAM and the COACH get fined for not being able to predict the future and stop the PLAYERS from fighting before the fact.

    And the punishment is the PLAYERS get an extra two days off with pay?

    I think I’m going in to work tomorrow and slug one of my associates right in the kisser. That should get me a week’s paid vacation!

  16. PLUHawkFan says:

    Wow, really? …….

    I’m speechless honestly. But most of you are right, this will just “continue” the idiotic narrative about us being cheaters. This is another area that boggles my mind a little bit.

    There are other teams substantially more penalized then us for things like this. Yet Hawks always seem to get the press for “bad issues” Like the fight in practice… Big News when it comes to Seattle. But hardly a mention by anyone when it happens with other teams. Training camp fights are NOTHING new to NFL and happens multiple times a year on other teams. Do they get press coverage about it though?

    You know what I think it boils down too? Psychology: There is a reason they say 1st impressions are so important. Because we as people are judgmental in general and a 1st impression takes a LOT of WORK to overcome. Especially if it’s a negative 1st impression.

    A BIG HUGE deal was made about our supposed gluttony of PED suspensions (True or not) that bad press was 1st impression for many people who knew nothing of Seattle. So the Label stuck… irregardless that other teams have VAST more suspensions for PEDS then us. Couple that with the debate about Pete Carroll leaving USC and the issues there (which he was completely cleared of any wrong doing by the NCAA) That doesn’t matter. Pete Carroll is a cheat & The Seahawks are cheaters.

    We played tough physical defense, which hasn’t been around for awhile. Seahawks players cheat and hold… that’s the only way they win.

    RW is too short and doesn’t have the makings of a good QB. So his success is entirely because of the system and because of Seahawks cheating Defense. Stats or other facts be damned.

    1st impressions take quite awhile and are VERY HARD to overcome.

    Oh well, let the rest of the country think what they want. It just gives our players motivation to prove to the rest of the world what they already know in their hearts. We are World Champs, and a force to be reckoned with.

    #GoHawks!

  17. montanamike2 says:

    That’s it for me too, Whiners fan now.

  18. FivePercentWrong says:

    What is the deal? Are the $300K fine AND the mini-camp cuts are for the same violation?

    Mortensen’s tweets made it sound like 2 different violations. $300K fine for Pete contacting players during offseason and mini-camp cuts for the practice violation.

    Nice way to word it, Mort. You know everyone will be seeing $300K fine of Pete Carroll and getting all USC about it.

    Bring on the hate and unreasonable accusations. I’m beginning to really enjoy loving a team everyone loves to hate.

  19. Dukeshire says:

    Win if you can. Lose if you must. But always cheat.

  20. Singularitarian says:

    It’s funny all you guys went from complaining about not ever being talked about to being talked about too much in 2 years. Get it together. You really care what some blogger on nfl.com thinks? Really? really???

  21. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Very Lame NFL… If this is the price we pay for being a bunch of angry badass’s?? So be it!!

  22. doubledink says:

    macarob
    I think I heard some time back he chews Bubbalicious. They buy it by the gross.

  23. SaigonSun says:

    Guys (and Ladies, if any) ,
    it is what it is. The NFL never cared for the Seahawks. How did they dare win the SB !!!! To top it, they demolished and humiliated the NFL darlings Denver Donkeys. The NFL changed the rules to disable the LOB; now , they are taking our practices away so, The Seahawks have less chance to prepare for the threepit (sp?)… I guess they can’t take away DeBartolo’s SB wins, even though it was proven he broke the rules! I guess our players don’t shoot guns outdoors and threaten bomb attacks at airports, or slap their companions in public places…. meh, what do I know.
    After the thumping of da Bears I tried to read about it on ESPN —- NOTHING ! Not even a headline. God forbid if we lose a game ever again … whew, they’ll laser the moon : “The Seahawks are not as good as they think they are”.
    But you know what? F. the NFL; F. the Goddells, F. the ESPN.
    GO SEAHAWKS FOREVER !!!

  24. DD, Isn’t that the kind that has a flavor that smells like weed?

  25. freedom_X says:

    The fine isn’t for the fight. It’s for the contact that precipitated the fight (wasn’t that Earl Thomas landing on top of Bryan Walters and spraining his shoulder?)

    In a no-contact practice, that shouldn’t have even happened. That’s the part the NFL believes could have been avoided.

  26. PLUHawkFan says:

    Ok: I’ve read that the NFLPA is really trying to crack down on Physical contact during Mini-camps and have adopted a ZERO tolerance policy.

    I get it, and it appears we are guilty. We’ll take our punishment, and hopefully make it so it doesn’t happen again.

    My question though is this… If the NFLPA really had adopted this policy, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that not a single other team was fined for the same issue? Are the hawks practices really that much more competitive then the rest of the NFL? I can see this as a good and bad thing.

    It however nags at me a bit though to think that we get hit with this and nobody else has…. seems a bit farfetched to me. It’ll be interesting to see if anyone else gets the same fines. I’ll give it a few days

    #GoHawks!

  27. PLUHawkFan says:

    Gregg:

    Any word on how this “investigation” was initiated? Did someone complain to NFLPA or NFL which initiated the investigation? How did this develop?

    I’d be interested to know (especially since it appears so far no other team has been fined).

  28. PLUHawkFan says:

    Note:

    As I said above I’ll wait to see if anyone else gets fined. But here is an example where rules don’t look like they are being applied evenly across the league.

    The Cowboys had a player injured during OTA’s due to contact, yet the NFL gave them “pointers” rather then fining them. I’m just sayin……

    NFL Gives Pointers to Cowboys

    #GoHawks!

  29. And when we kick everybody’s butt this year it will be because we allowed extra contact on an OTA. Pathetic.

  30. WiscCory says:

    chuck_easten – that’s the point. It’s the players union rules…so you practice “us” too hard, “we” get to take a couple more days off next year.

    Ewalters – your 3 letter post made me laugh…

  31. I heard the Patriots were investigated also. But when the league asked for film from their practices, all they got was tape from the Jets OTA.

  32. BigShermyWorm says:

    I thought this wasn’t the first time something like this happened with the Hawks. Turns out I was right. 95% baby.

    http://profootballzone.com/nfl/seahawks-violate-cba-rules-will-likely-be-fined/

    http://www.milehighreport.com/2012/6/5/3066440/seahawks-lose-two-practices-for-non-contact-violation

    I don’t give a crap this time either.

  33. There have been several PED suspensions recently and none were Seahawks. The same goes for weed, booze and crime incidents. The Seahwks have been well behaved since Browner’s weed thing and Lynch’s driving under the influence. There have been at least a dozen incidents involving players from other teams since then. Maybe two dozen.

    I see lots of comments all over the internet on this story, saying “what do you expect from Pete Carroll, he has cheated at every level.”

    How is Pete Carroll going to stop Reggie Bush from taking cash from boosters? Or stop Browner from smoking weed, or Sherman from taking Adderrol (which an alarming number of young people are on now).

    This incident might be the only one you can blame on Carroll. Too much contact in OTA’s. BFD. All that other stuff I don’t blame on him.

    This is what happens when you achieve the highest level of success. People try to de-legitimize you. This is the price of success. I’m sure someone will claim Russell Wilson is muslim from Kenya and doesn’t really love America. The higher you go, the crazier the critics get.

    Just wait until the Seahawks win it all again. The noise will only get louder.

  34. Gregg Bell says:

    For those asking, I asked the league if any other teams have been investigated or found to have for too much contact in the offseason. I haven’t received a response about that.

    And, yes, the $300,000 and the two minicamp practices are for the same violation, too much contact in the offseason. It is for the contact, not for the fight between Sherman and Bates — though that is the incident that got the NFL’s attention to ask for the team’s tapes of that particular June 18 practice.

    I really think this isn’t a huge deal, just a message sent that if you hit in the offseason you will get slapped in the wrist by the league. Not hammered. Slapped.

    Thanks
    –Gregg

  35. We know it’s you Gregg, you don’t have to sign your posts when you post under your own user name.

    Thanks

    SMH

    Hawks 30 Green Bay 10.

  36. Kingpear says:

    OrrObb…too funny. You sure it wasn’t tape of the Rams Super Bowl team that the Pats provided? They were cheaters then…I guess the Seahawks had to take over

  37. PLUHawkFan says:

    *Sigh:

    This one’s for you Yank, for once you and I might see eye to eye on an article. Bleacher report just did an article video on who are the Top 5 Quarterbacks in the NFL.

    Who are Top 5 QB’s in the NFL?

    Now I don’t necessarily have a problem with that fact that Russell Wilson isn’t on their list. I’d disagree (especially with some of the arguments made on those ON the list) but overall I’m ok if RW is still rated below Top 5 currently. A Valid argument can be made either way, for him being there or not being there.

    What I DO have a problem WITH is not only their intro to the article “Ranking the top five quarterbacks is one of the trickiest NFL debates. Who is making the cut? Who gets left out? Where do youngsters like Andrew Luck and Colin Kaepernick rank? (Wilson not even mentioned yet <———–those 2 others are????? Come on….)

    But to add insult to injury they rank both Luck and Kaepernick in their lists of Top 5? Are you F*****G serious???? I can see (maybe) putting Luck (*BIG maybe) but Kaepernick as well?

    Seriously????? are these analysts for real?

    *SIGH……

  38. The only cheaters in the NFL that I am aware of are the Patriots when they taped practices, and the 49ers when they cheated the salary cap.

  39. PLUHawkFan

    It is amazing how an NFL team can win the Superbowl and still have a QB that half the analysts do not understand. Some of them really do think he is another Trent Dilfer. They have no idea how good he has been.

    They think he wins because of the defense. When actually, the Seahawks defense took entire halfs of games off last season (Tampa Bay, Houston)and the season before (Chicago, DC, and Atlanta) and they only won those games or had a chance to, because of Wilson’s leadership and the offense.

  40. Pay no mind to the haters…it’s lonely at the top.

  41. When camp is on espn and the practices are open to the public, it’s not hard for 49er staff or other competitors to document contact. Clean it up guys or close more practices. Your competitors (sf) are real pric.s, that’s the reality u are playing in.

  42. True that rbuzby. But you know what they say, the QB gets too much blame when they lose, and too much credit when they win…wait a minute, RW doesn’t get enough credit when he wins, those bastards.

    Luck has all the measurables and immeasurables, he is the prototype modern QB that can stand tall in the pocket, make all the throws in the face of the pass rush and has ideal size and is also mobile to boot.

    I still think he is given too much credit for his POTENTIAL, whereas our man Russell is putting his money where the pundits mouths are. Stack Luck and Wilson’s seasons side by side, and let’s see whose stats outclass the other’s. Wilson is walking the walk that Sherman is talking, and backing it up every little step of the way.
    Kaepernick ahead of Wilson at this point in time? Biggest joke ever.

  43. CCVI

    Luck is excellent, and he is the one other QB I would say could have won the Superbowl besides Wilson, if he was on the Seahawks. Because he has good mobility, and brains, along with an arm.

    They all love Luck more, because he throws more. Luck will be great if they build a team around him. Wilson is already great, without the team being built around him.

  44. BigShermyWorm says:

    TJack could’ve won in the SB the way the defense played. The question is who else would’ve gotten them there. About 5 or 6 I say.

  45. jawpeace says:

    Eas in the previous thread nice post “on A few things come to mind with this round of cuts.”

    Yeah I am disappointed in PC cheating allowing players to touch each other in practice. That is it I am going back to being a fan of…. oh wait Hawks were the first team I became a fan of. I guess I will have to stay with them.

  46. PLUHawkFan says:

    BSW:

    Do you really think 5 or 6 different QB’s could have gotten them there? I’m not so sure, remember a QB isn’t just about the stats he produces it’s also leadership and chemistry.

    I question how many other QB’s could have pulled off what RW did. We will never know honestly, but again I look at more than just stats capability. Russells teammates flat out believe in him, that comes from his leadership qualities.

    He brings out the best in the rest of his teammates, and I believe they give him all they have every game. I’m not sure all QB’s get that same response from teammates. Remember everyone has a different personality.

    As great as say “Brady” is.. do you really honestly think he would have got the same results? I doubt it highly…

    But thats just my opinion.

    #GoHawks!

  47. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’d say that this team is already built for Wilson to excel and he is the guy driving it down the road. Wilson does benefit from having a great running game as well as the top D in the league allowing the fewest points and having the most takeaways. Every QB likes having extra chances with the ball.

    We saw a glimpse of what this team could become in 2010, Carroll’s first year and every year since. He built the D first, along with a old school power running game and then found his field general in year three. He and John have refined and advanced this team to a razor sharp edge of toughness, attitude and wins.

    Luck would probably have done well here with the same pieces that Wilson enjoys as he’s more mobile than people think for such a big dude. His Colts lack a decent running game as well as a top D so it’s more on him to put the team on his shoulders. He makes a lot of mistakes though and so far, hasn’t equaled Russell Wilson where it counts most…..in wins and as a Superbowl champion.

  48. Go Hawks, indeed! This team really is just getting started.

    They were shakier on offense and defense last year than you would expect from a champion. I think they will be even better this season.

  49. BTW, mocarob, I also heard that PC chews Bubbalicious, I think he said so himself. I prefer Hawaiian Punch flavored Hubba Bubba myself, good stuff.
    Or grape flavor Big League Chew.
    The way he gnaws on that stuff though, he’s lucky he doesn’t have TMJ issues.

  50. FleaFlicker says:

    It can feel like we’re getting singled out by the Roger “The Goods” Goodell, but here are a few gripes around the league…and they’re pretty legit:

    –Josh Gordon has had a pending punishment (will it be a year, will it be eight games?) for over four months. If they end up handing him a year long suspension, it will be 365 days from the date of decision. So if that happens in the next week or two, it makes the entire 2014 training camp worthless for Gordon and keeps him out of team facilities for all of 2015 training camp. And by the way, the NFL standard for marijuana is 15 nanograms per liter of blood. Olympic standard is 150 nanograms. Two samples were taken, the “A” sample tested at like 15.8 nanograms, the “B” sample test at like 14.5. Flip of a coin, if his B sample had been the A sample, he would have passed. The level of scrutiny that the NFL uses for these tests give some plausibility to Gordon’s claim that it was second hand smoke. Regardless of his guilt/innocence, the time the league is taking to hand down punishment is completely screwing Cleveland and Josh Gordon.

    –Matt Prater, the Denver Kicker, is getting a four game suspension. Two years ago, he had a DUI, which enrolled him in stage III of substance abuse policy. He had three beers IN HIS OWN HOME and ended up testing positive for a trace amount of alcohol. Four game suspension for your Pro Bowl kicker…for conduct which is not illegal anywhere in the 50 states.

    –Jerome Simpson had a failed drug test in November of last year. League waits until late July to hand down his three game suspension. Shouldn’t take eight months to adjudicate these things. Meanwhile, the Vikings waste a ton of first team snaps for him during their training camp and OTAs.

    When you take a step back, we’re not being singled out, IMHO. It’s just a manifestation of a lackadaisical and arbitrary attitude that the league has towards adjudication of player/team discipline. Next time around, the CBA needs to have reasonable time standards put in place to avoid this ridiculousness.

    One could make a reasonable case the Cowboys should have been equally fined for the OTA contact that resulted in Sean Lee tearing his ACL. But that would assume that The Goods takes an even and measured approach to these things. But he doesn’t (see: Rice, Ray). If you’re a fan of any of the teams listed above, you’ve got a decent beef with the league.

    All I’m saying is that the system is arbitrary to begin with and we just drew a short straw this time around. We’re not the only club that should be pissed off right now.

  51. PLUHawkFan says:

    FleaFlicker:

    I’ll only speak on your 1st paragraph since it’s something I deal with on an almost daily basis. (I’m a Drug and Alcohol counselor). I won’t comment on the “testing level” whether that’s fair or not compared to the olympic level. I will tell you that it would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE for Josh Gordan to have tested that high from “Second Hand Smoke”

    Trust me this “excuse” is something we hear all the time with mandatory testing. We have studies where people Did not smoke, yet were in closely confined rooms (Hot Box’s) as some users call them. If we test those individuals with an oral Test for THC they will test positive, however if we do a blood or urine test they won’t. It’s possible to achieve around a 2-3 nanogram level if those people are tested minutes after a lengthy exposure in “Hotbox environment” (not a standard secondhand smoke experience btw). However within an Hour those same blood levels would drop to less then 1 nanogram.

    So for this case at least I would call Total BS on Josh Gordans excuse. As far as how long it takes and timing.. I can’t comment as I don’t know the appeals process etc. I can only comment on the fact that if he tested that high he most definitely is guilty.

    #GoHawks!

  52. FleaFlicker says:

    PLU, good point. Josh Gordon probably burned a joint.

    But like I said, regardless of guilt/innocence in Gordon’s case, there’s no good reason to leave a team twisting in the wind while they try to figure out if their #1 receiver will be gone for 8 games or 16. Whatever the suspension turns out to be, the timing of the decision will really hurt the Browns. Six months to hand down a suspension is too long. Especially when it will likely come just days before the start of the season.

  53. jawpeace says:

    When the league asked the Hawks for the practice tapes they should have done what the IRS did, “Oh sorry those got erased. We can’t give those to you.” Hey it worked for the IRS.

  54. seatowntp says:

    That Pete Carroll, always pushing the envelope! Does this mean that when the Seahawks win the Super Bowl again this year the NFL will ask for the Lombardi Trophy back? On an aside, that $300k should be able to cover the expense of fitting the entire league with Velcro belts and yellow and red colored flags.

  55. seatowntp says:

    Jawpiece, it wouldn’t have mattered if the Hawks refused to produce the tapes. The league would have just requested the tapes of the Seahawks practice from the Patsies.

  56. “Freedom” had the correct explanation of the cause of the fine. As others noted, the idiots posting on other sites are ranting and raving about “cheating”, without any basis in fact. They cannot acknowledge that the Seahawks are simply the better team. They have to try to tear down the ‘Hawks and Coach Carroll by labeling him as a cheater even though there is no evidence he has cheated, ever. That foolishness at USC had no impact on what happened on the field (the true definition of cheating), whether Coach was involved or not.
    Frustrating.

  57. surelyyoujest says:

    All of the noise about “cheaters” wouldn’t even be a ripple if we weren’t winning. Same deal New England always hears, simply because they’ve had sustained success. I’ll take all the haters, AND THE WINNING, over indifference and losing.

    Bring on the haters.

  58. confucious says:

    Luck has been very good no doubt. But we must remember that espn and the rest of the media anointed him as a sure shot hall of famer before he ever took an nfl snap. There is no way that these prognosticating scribes could be wrong. It’s going to take a lot of success by RW for these football gurus to eat the crow they so rightly deserve.

  59. oldtallguy says:

    3 years ago Luck and Wilson were drafted into the NFL. Luck as the overall number 1 pick, Wilson a 3rd rounder. Luck a surefire can’t miss and Wilson a surefire to fail. Both at the time joined not so good teams. One has won a Super BOWL with his team and is a surefire bonafide champion and the other has failed.

  60. yankinta says:

    rbuzby,, lol,, it’s okay dude,, I’m never that made about it… :)

    But for you to say Luck could have won the SB if he was on the Seahawks squad, tells me that you don’t realize how inaccurate Luck is, under pressure… Luck threw 7 picks against 22nd ranked and 20th ranked Pass Defenses… Luck would have thrown 5 picks against Saints Defense (top 10 Pass D) and lost the first game….

    When we’re talking about Elite QB’s,, it’s all about how well they do under pressure. Remember Seahawks O-Line was the worst at allowing QB Pressrure, 32nd ranked (according Football Outsiders),, Luck would have thrown 25+ picks, if he was on the Seahawks last year. Luck was lucky he played behind 8th best O-Line and played against one of the Softest Schedule… :)

  61. yankinta says:

    P.S., not sure if you guys been following other Preseason games but I saw Colts vs Saints last weekend. Luck threw 3 picks (Defense Adjusted Interceptsion) in like less than 2 quarters….

    This is what I mean by not being accurate under pressure… Luck is only average at best against above average Defenses imo. :)

  62. yankinta says:

    FINALLY,, someone wrote what I’ve been saying since RW’s 3rd preseason game vs the Chiefs in 2012… :)

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000383566/article/seattle-seahawks-season-preview-a-dynasty-is-born?campaign=Twitter_atl

  63. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Save us Gregg…pretty please.

  64. Just to chime in briefly on the Josh Gordon suspension and his second-hand smoke argument. . . Years ago I was in the Army. One weekend I hung out with some old high school buddies who were smoking pot, including hours packed in a van driving out to the Gorge and back for a concert. Lo-and-behold, that Monday morning my number was called for a random sample piss test. Though I never smoked, I was pretty nervous based on the amount of second-hand smoke I’d been exposed to all weekend. Long story short, I came out clean.

    So it may be a sample size of one, but based on personal experience I will never buy the second-hand smoke marijuana argument.

  65. There’s an old saying in auto racing: If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.

  66. Dukeshire says:

    Wherever it was that you are pretending to have “been saying” that since Wilson’s rookie preseason, it wasn’t here. So again, your self promotion rings hollow.

    arna6 – Off the top, there is also the Broncos, Raiders, and Vikings that the league has sanctioned in one way or another for rules violations, over the years.

  67. yankinta says:

    You’re dumb, since it was you who called me crazy for wanting to trade Matt Flynn before he plays a down for us, and I told you,, it’s about building a Dynasty and we already have the first/most important piece in Russell Wilson,, (Top 3 QB).

    Don’t worry, someone will look it up and post it here for me,, just watch. :)

  68. Yankinta–Not appropriate. Namecalling is not allowed on this blog, or have you not read the blog rules?

    Youre perfectly within your rights to be as annoying as you choose, but you dont have the right to call names. Just stop.

  69. Reports on PFT (I know, I know) say that Seattle was busted for multiple days of far too much contact, that coaches were teaching it and pushing it. So they broke the rules, fairly flagrantly, and have to pay.

    No conspiracy, they pushed the boundaries till they broke, and now face the consequences.

    And it was the NFLPA not the NFL watchdogging them.

  70. “You’re dumb…”

    Pot, meet kettle.

  71. I did look up when Wilson made his 1st appearance ever as a Seahawk during the 8/11/2002 Live Chat (Tenn at Seattle, 2012 1st Preseason Game, 2nd half):

    http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2012/08/11/hawks-v-titans-live-game-chat/

    8:28
    Comment From Pabuwal
    Time for the Legend of Russell Wilson to begin now folks

    8:35
    Comment From Pabuwal
    Georgia – years from now we will think back where we were when the Legend of Russell Wilson began

    Maybe Yankinta and Pabuwal are the same fellow? lol

  72. And Yank, no one was going to give the Seahawks anything more than a 6th or 7th round pick for Flynn back in late August 2012, considering his contract and no other team wanted him during FA.

  73. NintyFivePercent says:

    Guys, ease off on Yank, he does not call people names, said so himself:

    yankinta
    JULY 30, 2014 AT 2:51 PM
    PLUHawkFan,, ummm stoop down to my level… lol I never called anyone any names,, wait maybe I have if you count calling a sore loser a Sore Loser…

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2014/07/30/richardson-drawing-raves/#storylink=cpy

    *************************

    Unless you count this:

    yankinta
    FEB. 18, 2014 AT 7:37 AM
    Palerydr,, you are soooo dumb.. if you actually try to read this thread,, you’ll see that I didn’t start the Luck conversation…. I’m sorry but you’re dumb,, maybe you shouldn’t be here… smh….

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2014/02/14/morning-links-rough-road-ahead-in-2014/#storylink=cpy

    *************************

    Or this. . .

    yankinta
    AUG. 27, 2014 AT 8:39 AM
    You’re dumb, since it was you who called me crazy for wanting to trade Matt Flynn before he plays a down for us, and I told you,, it’s about building a Dynasty and we already have the first/most important piece in Russell Wilson,, (Top 3 QB).
    Don’t worry, someone will look it up and post it here for me,, just watch.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2014/08/26/report-nfl-fines-seahawks-300000-takes-away-two-offseason-practices-for-violating-offseason-non-contact-rules/#comments#storylink=cpy

    *************************

    It’s a fact that the media has only brainwashed 95% of you into thinking that calling people “dumb” is name calling. . . smh :)

  74. yankinta says:

    ummm nope,, he’s called me many names before.. I was only telling him that he’s not very smart. lol sad but true. :)

  75. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, like I told you before… thinking RW great from day one is different than thinking RW is WAYYY better than Andrew Luck from day one. You’re the former and I’m the latter. I win. :)

    p.s., don’t have time to look up my previous posts… I got people for that. lol.

  76. Doesn’t matter……

  77. Dukeshire says:

    The troll is in full flight, today.

  78. Situation logic as well as situational ethics…very interesting.

  79. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Your mom doesn’t count as people wank. Now go finish your homework and clean your room.

  80. BigShermyWorm says:
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