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Video of Russell Wilson’s regular season-quality wardrobe and smile after Seahawks’ exhibition debut

Post by Gregg Bell / The News Tribune on Aug. 8, 2014 at 1:58 pm with 141 Comments »
August 8, 2014 1:58 pm

Russell Wilson didn’t exactly sound bothered by getting sacked twice, hit four times and generally running around Denver for his own well-being playing two drives behind an offensive line that was missing three starters Thursday night.

And he sure didn’t look the worse for wear, eh? That is regular-season or even postseason attire he wore out of Denver following the Seahawks’ exhibition opener.

Wilson finished 4 for 6 passing for 37 yards. He regretted missing on a high throw that went through the hands of tight end Zach Miller on third down that ended the opening drive. But he praised his patchwork line for regrouping after a 45-minute lightning delay to allow him the time to find his only rhythm of the cameo appearance — the second drive that went for 90 yards and Seattle’s only touchdown.

I expect he and the starting offense will play about one half of next Friday’s exhibition against San Diego at CenturyLink Field. And he may get James Carpenter (calf) and Russell Okung (toe) back some as the starting left side of his offensive line. The Sunday-through-Thursday practice week coming up will be each’s second week of work since returning.

Here is a sample of what Wilson had to say late last night:

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  1. jchawks08 says:

    By golly, I think this kid may do big things in The League.

  2. Russell may even win a Super Bowl one day. Oh, wait… :)

    Although I question that getting Carp back is a good thing. I wish he was a Brown, too. He’s in “shape,” but already “hurt.” Imagine that.

  3. BTW, love the new banner.

  4. SandpointHawk says:

    The reporter in the Denver togs with the bad body language behind Russell needs to meet Kam next time he comes into the Seahawks dressing room. Just saying…First game of the preseason Denver, don’t mean a thang…

  5. jawpeace says:

    Best thing from last nights loss was no major injuries.

  6. montanamike2 says:

    Denver’s Super Bowl win last night against our 2’s.

  7. montanamike2 says:

    In his limited time, Wilson made it look easy to evade defenders.

  8. Skavage says:

    Realizing it’s only one preseason game, in a couple sentences what areas concern you guys have the most right now?

    For me, it was poor d-line play. Too many long runs and too little QB pressure.

    Secondly it’s o-line depth. Quickly becoming a high concern.

  9. Gregg – Just read your profile (after finally having some down time) and realize I have a brother-in-law who graduated with you at West Point in ’93 (he’s currently a Lt. Col. serving in Afg.). I just sent him an e-mail seeing if he knows you. There are certain points in the year where I post more than others due to work schedule(s) so welcome aboard… Looking forward to your running this blog. Not sure if you interacted with “kids” younger than you at West Point, but my second of three brother-in-law(s) graduated from there in ’94. The baby didn’t go to West Point, but is in the military, too (my wife is their only sister). As always, thank you for serving, too!

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think you just about covered it Skavage.

    I would add punt returner.

  11. Gregg Bell says:

    BobbyK: Thanks. That’s great to here. Who’s your LTC brother-in-law? He outranks me now.

    Glad to be here.

  12. When taking a video with your phone, turn it sideways so you don’t get a narrow up and down video like this one.

  13. Gregg – Just sent you an e-mail with that info to your TNT address. I’m interested to see if you knew each other. Small world. Thanks.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Rams run defense looks awful against the Saints in the first half.

  15. Georgia – How’s it going? I have been pretty busy these past few months in spurts but let me say that I have appreciated how civil you have been since you “came back” to the blog after your absense (long-time overdue). I hope your health is well and maybe I’ll see you at a Braves game next summer. I really do sincerely mean that it a good way. Thanks.

  16. Ray_Maines says:

    Where in Tacoma would be a good place for a few of us to get together and watch the San Diego game next Friday night?

  17. The Swiss if they have the game…wonderful place!

  18. Bobbyk–he hasn’t been all that civil; he’s become Yankintas big brother, and has decided to constantly insult and attack me for nothing across multiple threads and several days. He never admits fault and is even more belligerent…

    Funny thing is, he was one of my favorite commenters and I really missed him when he was absent…

  19. BigShermyWorm says:

    RIP Michael Bowie, aka the Best Thing Since Sliced Bread.

    Welcome, Gregg. You have big shoes to fill. I expect you will. Look forward to your coverage.

  20. BigShermyWorm says:

    To quote Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?”

  21. Ewalters7354 says:

    Big shoes to fill? I hope you’re not referring to Todd cause if so he filled those shoes with his first post lol

  22. montanamike2 says:

    BobbyK, that was a nice olive branch you’ve extended to Georgia, it’s always good to be the mature one and make the first move. I once had an argument with my uncle, when i was only 21 years old, i don’t even remember what it was about. I was painting for him in Sacramento and he only lived 2 miles away, still after a full year i swallowed my pride and drove over there. Upon my arrival, he stepped out of the door to greet me with tears streaming down his his face and told me how much he missed me, we never fought again. You coming to Bozeman earlier this year, got to meet up with myself and Slave, i applaud you for that and wish other people got to see the human behind the keyboard. You can see why STTBM is so sleep deprived half the time when you see his babies, i’m looking forward to hooking up again next time you’re in town, i wish others would meet too, we’d all be more civil to each other and realize that we’re all human with real problems. I hope Georgia accepts your olive branch.

  23. montanamike2 says:

    We have to be careful not to slam Todd to much, i know he wasn’t here long and was also sometimes not as involved as we’d like, but Gregg will think he’ll get slammed too if he ever departs. That’s not likely to happen since the guy’s already endeared himself here and interacted with us.

  24. teruski says:

    Gregg has improved this blog 1000% in just the first few days he has been here. We are very fortunate to have the TNT see the value in the Seahawks beat. Getting Gregg to be that beat writer was a major coup for the TNT.
    It has been a long time and frustrating wait for a High end quality writer to step into this position.
    Eric and Todd were OK, but you could tell their hearts were not in it.

    Gregg’s posts here have been almost “Sando-esque” and that’s the highest praise that can be given!

    Between Gregg and Dave Boling, The TNT is the place to get the best Seahawks coverage.

    Thank you TNT and thank you Gregg for not only breathing life back into this blog, but bringing it’s soul back!


  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks bobbyk & welcome back from your absence.

    I noticed the same from you (awhile back) with regards to treating others more civil & I appreciate that.

    It makes for a better blog.

    I think several of us frequent posters (past & present) have had their times on this blog where they haven’t been civil.

    Perhaps the Super Bowl win will

    I don’t think I’m unique with regards to that, however I don’t allow myself to get baited near as much or get into arguments with irrational &/or misinformed posters nearly as much as I used to

    I still have a little work to do at not falling into those traps with extremely obnoxious & frequently misinformed posters or posts, but all in all I think I’ve cleaned that up.

    Not being beerational &/or beermotional helps too, lol.

    Thanks again & I’m looking forward to your contributions & Seahawks insights.

  26. BigShermyWorm says:

    EWalters, I was referring more to Eric, but I don”t quite get all the hate for Todd. I expect the coverage here to be excellent as usual. Boling is just an occasional gem.

  27. BigShermyWorm says:

    Ray, sadly I don’t frequent many sports bars here in T-Town. We could meet somewhere on the waterfront or even Hooters as a last resort.

  28. teruski says:

    My last post wasn’t meant to be a slam on Todd.

    All I meant was, Gregg has brought the quality and quantity of the blog posts up.

    Todd did well and wish him the best of luck in D.C.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nothing against Sando but I preferred Eric Williams.

    I see some of those same qualities from Gregg that I saw in Eric.

    I really do think Eric’s heart was in it & he added a more human element to the blog (with a sense of humor) instead of mostly just throwing up tons of stats.

    Sandos was just different but he was great at what he did.

  30. teruski says:


    Putting the past writers aside…

    I think we can all be happy the blog appears to be in good hands!

  31. montanamike2 says:

    teruski i didn’t mean that as a Todd slam, i know you’re just appreciative that we have a beat writer running the blog, it wasn’t personal, sorry if it came off that way. It was meant for ALL the posters here and nothing more.

  32. teruski says:

    It’s all Good montanamike!

    GAWD, I love Seahawks Football!!!!!


  33. montanamike2 says:
  34. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The thing about Todd, (and I wish I didn’t pitch a hissy fit about him that one day) he is of a new age.
    The twitter age, & it’s something that (some of us being older) like myself can’t accept. At least as a main course.

    We want Boling quality & when we see a bunch of endless tweets in the morning on this blog to start our day we feel cheated out of a quality blog breakfast.

    But that’s just the way things are going these days with the competition to get news out the fastest.
    The sacrifice for that is quality news.

    Now Todd was much more than a twitter poster (& I believe he was a hard worker too) but I can see how it would be easy for anyone these days to simply use tweets as a filler when they don’t have the time to do anything else.

    Just go to ESPN & see how dumb downed the news is there by their increase of twitter use.

  35. teruski says:


    I’m an old fart and I use twitter to get that “instant” news.

    I know twitter isn’t for everyone and a lot of tweets are mindless garbage. But, if you choose carefully who you follow, there is some very good information being passed along. A lot of times there are links with the tweets that take you to a really good article you might not have ever stumbled across.

    I separate the folks I follow into groups, “local Sports Media” “national sports media” “Seahawks players” etc…

    IMO ESPN’s quality has fallen dramatically lately, they are getting more like TMZ everyday. I rarely watch them anymore. I don’t think it’s as much the use of twitter than it’s just a lack of professionalism.

    Not arguing with you, just my opinion :)

    I invite you to follow me @teruski

  36. Ewalters7354 says:

    It’s no hate towards Todd.He just sucked on this blog.My opinion is my opinion. It boggles my mind how posters try and play hero when we call or called Todd out.If I didn’t like Todd’s style,that just me,and I believe I can’t say it as many times as I want.This is my phone and I pay the bill lol

  37. Ewalters7354 says:

    Lol=laugh out loud which=me joking around so don’t take the post serious

  38. Ewalters7354 says:

    Though I do believe Todd sucked. Just on this specific forum.I believe he’s a talented writer and will flourish with his new gig.

    PS I’m 25(apart of the new age) but I still felt cheated with those Twitter post.

    You can follow me on Twitter@ easywalters504

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:


    I agree with you. Not the old fart part but the use of twitter.

    I don’t discount the use of twitter entirely. It is useful to a degree.
    I’ve found some pretty cool stuff just digging awhile in the dirt of my back yard.
    But imagine all the folks growing up with it that will be brainwashed into thinking it’s all useful.

  40. montanamike2 says:

    I don’t do twitter either, everyone has a right to choose who they like or not, even voice that opinion. You guys said it best, that a bunch of twitter links don’t make good morning reads. When i drink my coffee in the morning, i like to read actual articles and the TMZ jab at ESPN is pretty spot on. After they started charging for “insider” info, it seems that they want quantity over quality. I’m not paying for that.

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:


    I had an epiphany about one of our past conversations. Do you want to hear it?

  42. Ewalters7354 says:

    Huh? I’m honestly confused

  43. GeorgiaHawk says:

    About Wilson being elite & worth 20 mil.
    You want to hear it?

  44. Ewalters7354 says:

    Sure Georgia let me hear it…

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Gotta go, I will tell you later.

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    You’re back, ok bear with me because I’m a pecker.

    (Slow at phone typing)

  47. Hammajamma says:

    Getting Carp back is a very good thing, BobbyK. He’s your best LG. In my view, Hauptmann was okay but Van Roten got punished.

  48. Dukeshire says:

    My lord, Georgia. This better be good. lol

    I’m not going to blow a gasket about the o-line just yet. But I must say that regardless how few starters were in, there’s reason for concern up front (yet again). But again, let’s get Okung, Carp, Unger in and see what happens.

  49. montanamike2 says:

    It’s apparent how sorely lacking in depth we are at this point. I hope the light bulb in Britt’s head goes on by the end of pre season.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:


    I learned something I didn’t expect to learn from you about myself.

    When we were debating the value of Wilson & his elite status I was honestly flabbergasted that you (being around Wilson’s age) would be seemingly so nonchalant about Wilson’s success his first two years & where it stands with the all time greats.

    It was kind of perplexing to me since you are around his age.

    Then it hit me. It’s that damn alpha male thing going on.

    Then it hit me again ( thinking back to when I was your age) who was the best two year QB at the time?

    Bingo! It was Dan (I can’t stand) Marino.

    He seemingly had no flaws at the time, plus he was good looking, had all the Women at his knees & was the future of the NFL.

    Damn him for having it all & being my age!

    It was hard enough trying to live up to Zorn’s image, now comes along Marino.

    I was jealous, my alpha male was devastated.

    So I looked for flaws. And fortunately for me I found a few.
    But I have to admit now, ( and you helped me with that Ewalters)
    That my level of alpha male wouldn’t give Marino a chance.

    Ewalters don’t be like me with Marino. Give Russell Wilson a chance.

    Even if he hangs out with Bieber.

  51. Georgia–Excellent point on Eric bringing a human element to the blog. I loved him for it.

    Eric also sent us a Seahawks hat, a book, and a bunch of cool little stuff when someone won the Seahawks Draft Guesser. Todd sent us the Trib SB magazine.

    I thought Todd did a good job for the most part, but I missed Eric and Sando. The commenters who didn’t like Todd’s performance have some legit complaints, but the way some of them went about voicing them was IMO unfair. None of us would want our job performance to be handled like that.

    Everyone seems to be pleased with Gregg; were lucky to have him.

  52. Georgia, I think you are full if it on your alpha male thing, but you crack me up!

    RW is so nice he can tolerate Beiber; the mans nearly a saint lol!

    At least he’s not trying to get sloppy seconds from Krapperpants!

  53. Ewalters7354 says:

    Lolololol I’m not against Wilson.He’s a damn good player and person.Just didn’t think he was worth 20mil until I seen Dalton get his big extension.

  54. DFloydd says:

    Wow…..just wow….I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I think there were maybe 5 posts about football….haha. this blog is very bipolar or ADD sometimes. Makes for entertaining reading. Y’all make my day. Thanks.

  55. montanamike2 says:

    That’s an outrageous amount of money but it seems to be the going rate, i hope it doesn’t produce the Flacco effect.

  56. Southendzone says:

    Ok the complaints about Todd do bug me a bit. I liked him & had no issues with the blog while he was here. But it’s not my intent to argue his merit as blog-master

    For all these people who want to slam him now, I didn’t hear much, or anything about this up until he was about to leave for the new gig. Waiting til he’s out the door to start slamming him (and some of the posts were pretty rough), is cowardly and bitch-like.

    Secondly, of all the ones that publicly complained about Todd’s performance here after he left, how many of you either

    a) Pay for the TNT subscription and therefore can at least call yourself a dissatisfied customer


    b) Made your dissatisfaction known by way of emailing Todd directly or TNT?

    I’m guessing none. It’s not the adult or respectful way to go about your business.

  57. Dukeshire says:

    Zorn. Bieber. Marino. Women on their knees: That was the singularly most odd post I’ve read in some time, here. lol.

  58. oldtallguy says:

    Great post Southendzone

  59. Dukeshire says:

    The “problem” with Todd, as I saw it, was simply his lack of original content. The vast majority of his content was re-tweeting others’ information. And that’s fine, to an extent. But when one has the access he had, that’s a poor replacement for original and fresh posts. He seemed content to just regurgitate other people’s work. Just my opinion, and it’s irrelevant now that Gregg is here.

  60. Dukeshire says:

    Southendzone – I absolutely emailed Todd and expressed my concerns. But until they require me to pay for this site, I certainly won’t volunteer cash.

  61. GeorgiaHawk says:


  62. montanamike2 says:
  63. Ewalters7354 says:

    “For all these people who want to slam him now, I didn’t hear much, or anything about this up until he was about to leave for the new gig. Waiting til he’s out the door to start slamming him (and some of the posts were pretty rough), is cowardly and bitch-like.”

    Dude go sit down and drink a cup of coffee or something.

    Duke,Georgia,myself and a few others called Todd out before we even knew about him leaving.For you to be offended over a guy you don’t know and probably will never meet is absolutely stupid.

    Take a chill pill

  64. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I thought Todd was doing fine, however towards the end it fell off.
    I sensed a more disinterested & less prepared Todd.
    He seemed more annoyed at folks on the chat & was quick to cut them off.

    And then I hear from another poster that he is leaving but I’m not sure because I don’t trust twitter & he doesn’t come on the blog to tell us one way or another.

    A wierd ending but it all turned out good.

  65. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Oldtallguy called Todd out too on more then one occasion.
    Just not as strong.

    I think it was you Oldtallguy wasn’t it?

  66. Ewalters7354 says:

    Amen Georgia

  67. Southendzone says:

    I don’t need to know a person to treat them with respect.

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Interesting reasons why it was the Broncos secondary getting most of the flags-

  69. sluggo42 says:

    Wow, we need a new thread Greg.

    Not to trip anyone out, but I did have a football thought. Did any of you watch the interview with Cassius Marsh? I don’t know if ifs just me, but I sensed a Slightly loose screw in his head. It’s the special screw that contains craziness. When loose, it makes the player a tad unpredictable. Kinda reminds me of that guy from the raiders years ago, the “stork”. He seems slippery, tough to block. He seemed to always be getting in there to a degree. I’m wondering if he gets in the mix with a bunch of starters the their oline really needs to be aware of, might he be able to slip in for those sacs?

  70. sluggo42 says:

    Oops, two g’s

  71. Sluggo–I’m excited about Marsh as well, be he copacetic or insane in the membrane.

  72. sluggo42 says:

    And btw,
    Didn’t RW just look stately in that suit after the game? He treats a preseason game like it’s the Super Bowl with his classiness and respect of the team, and the game.

  73. LarryLee says:

    If you’re still looking for a good place to watch the Hawks in Tacoma you might try Katie Downs on Ruston Way. It’s one the waterfront. Good food, selection of draft beers. Lotsa TVs. Just sayin.

  74. Ray_Maines says:

    I’d like to meet a few of you next Friday night, and Katie Downs sounds good to me.

  75. Here’s my takeaways from watching the whole game (ignoring starters):
    – P Rich – I’m gonna love him. Not just fast, but good body control. Reminds me of a fast D Baldwin potential.
    – B Coyle – good instincts; always around the ball; makes plays; plays fast.
    – C Marsh – good motor; instincts for following the ball; good hands.
    – D Bronson – aggressive, quick runner (showed better than Ware or Turbin); didn’t see his pass protection ability (pro or con).

    Poor Showings:
    – K Small – not very athletic; can’t see anyway he makes the 53 (D Coleman was much better).
    – J Jeffcoat – no clue what he was doing; didn’t learn from past mistakes; how many times can you not seal the edge; no evidence of speed; seems an early squad cut.
    – H Farwell – ST master in the past is all that’s going for him; was 3 steps slow all night; doesn’t react to plays very fast.
    – T Simon – Hot head led to early exit; needs to play smarter or talent won’t help him.

    Here’s how I would rank the RB’s on running ability:
    1. Michael
    2. Bronson
    3. Turbin (speed) / Ware (power)

  76. oldtallguy says:

    Georgia, a few times, but he’s in the past. What part of Georgia you at?

  77. PLUHawkFan says:


    I agree with your list for the most part. The one I will disagree with is T Simon. I’m not going to negate all the tools and ability a guy has shown because he got a little hot headed. On that particular play many people could have drawn flags, simon was just the unlucky one.

    Does he need to contain that kind of stuff? Definitely! But he’s young, exuberant and putting forth full effort. In some ways I see his little scuffle as a positive. (A coaching moment to be sure) but a positive nonetheless.

    A lot of people were down on Michael after this game, but I saw improvement in his play from last year. I also think our atrocious O-line play this game did not help him in the least. Marshawn is the better back by far, but I doubt even Lynch would have run better then Michael with the line play.

    After watching a couple other preseason games, more and more i’m really beginning to hate our ZBS.

  78. PLUHawkFan says:


    Count me in, next friday. I can’t drive unfortunately (I have epilepsy) but I can catch the bus and head down there. I haven’t been to Katie Downs in years. Sounds like fun!

  79. GeorgiaHawk says:
  80. PLU – don’t disagree with your Simon comment. I was only commenting on his lack of situational awareness for that moment. No doubt he is talented and will contribute this year.

    I also liked the big reception and big hit that Lockette made and took. That was a tough play. He certainly didn’t hurt his cause in the battle for the last WR spot.

  81. I received a facebook message from my oldest brother-in-law who graduated from West Point with Gregg in ’93. He said he is a “great guy” and that “we were in the same company together our first two years” so he’s a pretty credible source that we’re going to be quite happy with him.

    Granted, the body of work Gregg has provided early on is a better indicator of the blog getting back to the Sando/Eric (I have no personal qualms with Todd) track but it’s fun/nice to read/know from someone I trust that Gregg is a “great guy,” too.

    I loved the Sando days because he was so interactive with us (remember Sando contacting his wife if something broke so she could post it?) and always had a Q&A post each week. I loved that.

    Eric was different, but equally effective, too. I met him a few times when the Hawks played at the Vikings and he was great to meet in person. He told me some things about the Hawks that he’d never share on the blog and I never blasted a few people about things with this “inside” info because Eric trusted me to it and that was fantastic. My favorite aspect of Eric, better than even Sando, was that we could ask him stuff about the team and he would personally ask Hawk players (he did it much more than Sando), coaches, etc. these questions and pass it back on to us. It made us feel more apart of the team we all root for.

    Todd just never seemed to connect with more than a few people (as Duke alluded to above) for whatever reason (some already stated), although as Dave has stated several times – he did work hard up to the end (even if it wasn’t in the way that some wanted).

    Gregg does seem to have a Dave-like ability to give us Vin Scully type nuggets with his access and that is awesome. I think we’re going to get spoiled on this blog again and this will remain the best place for Seahawks news. I hope Dave keeps poking his head around here every few weeks, too, because if you’re a 30+ year Seahawks fan like some of us – you love hearing the new and old story connections of Hawks long gone that only he can bring up (and that only fans long enough can truly appreciate).

    We’ve got great guys covering this team for us and we’ve never been more talented, too. Obviously, as Super Bowl Champions, it’s a great time to be a Seahawks fan.

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I 2nd that!

  83. montanamike2 says:

    Great post BobbyK, explained it well.

  84. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I saw Eric at the airport once in Seattle.
    I was amazed at how fast he was with his note book flipping back & forth with little effort apparently getting something ready for us.
    As I was watching him work & wishing I was a tenth that fast we suddenly had eye contact for a moment.
    I would have gone up to talk with him but he kind of gave me a frightened look like I was going to say I was his #1 fan or something.
    So I turned back around at the bar & continued my argument with a Packer fan.
    After a few more drinks I turned back around to see if Eric was still there but he was gone.

    Lucky him.

  85. oldtallguy says:

    Georgia, I was born about 15 miles southeast of Cullowhee, NC. The Braves have been my team since 53.

  86. oldtallguy – That makes you 29 years old when Dale Murphy won his first NL MVP for the Braves in ’82. Kenny Easley is my second favorite athlete ever, and the reason he’s not my favorite is b/c of Murph. Good stuff.

  87. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nantahalla national forest is one of the most beautiful places in the U.S.

    I love that area.

    I’m not a huge Braves fan however I like their stadium.

    Too bad they are already going to demo it & build a new one.

    I live close to Rome GA so it’s easier to see their AAA team.

  88. oldtallguy says:

    BobbyK, I was 7 in 53. Murphy was great, but down in my list, Spahn Aaron Matthews adcock Crandall, burdette, so many more I grew up rooting for. From 55 to 64 I had at least 1 baseball card of every major league player each year. 65 when my uncle called me a way, they went in the dump. Omg

  89. SandpointHawk says:

    Thanks Bobby that sums it up nicely. Glad to hear the kudos for Gregg. Never thought I would hear Vin Scully mentioned on the blog, but I’ll tell you from personal experience he is the nicest guy in the world and the biggest help to young sports reporters that I ever met. It’s also nice to see that oldtallguy is older than me. Nice not to be the oldest curmudgeon here….cheers to you all…

  90. Isn’t it about time for one of you guys to complain that we haven’t had a new post in 27 hours?

  91. Todd would’ve posted something by now…..


  92. Skavage says:

    BobbyK, this one’s for you. So write it down. You are going to be happy…The Seahawks are going to make an inner-divisional trade this coming week.

    Carp is heading to the 49ers in exchange for Boone and we will extend his contract.

    Conditional picks will be included based on the number of games each player plays this year. (To protect each team against the possible injury of either player.) I would expect the conditionals to be Seattle sends a 5th, conditional to a 4th if Carp doesn’t play 12+ games. San Fran would give Seattle a 6th, conditional to a 5th, based on Boone playing 12+ games. Historically it’s a higher injury risk for the Niners to assume, hence the additional value in their conditional.

    In additional, a Super Bowl win by either team will trigger the conditional pick to the higher round. So a SF SB win and the Hawks would get the 5th. A Seahawks repeat would mean the Niners get the 4th.

    This is on the table as I type. It’s going to happen.

  93. Skavage says:

    Oh and another thing….regarding the whole “Todd issue”.

    First let me back up and say Eric was awesome. Top notch writer, blogger, reporter, and better yet he’s a great person. I once got on him for editorializing a story/blog post once. He came back to me with a well thought out answer that was both apologetic and purposeful. Pretty hard not to respect and like a guy that is grounded enough respond the way he did.

    Now onto Todd…

    Two things about Todd that greatly affected this blog.

    One, he was lazy. There. That’s it. I said it. He did not put the time into his work to make it quality work. He took the lazy way out and gave us blog posts that were more links to actual work that others did, than informative posts of his own. He may not be that way in general, but my observation here was that his work was lazy.

    Two, he didn’t have any skin in the game here. He didn’t have any passion. Now whether it’s just that his passion lies with another team in another city, or if he just isn’t a football fan…I’m not sure. But I am sure that he lacked passion. Until Todd, every guy we’ve had here has had passion. Sando, Dave, Eric, even some of the part-time bloggers…they all have passion for their work and passion for the team they are covering. Todd did not have that and it bled over into the blog and into his articles. And that lack of passion may be a significant influence in why I think he was lazy.

    Overall I’m not at all surprised we saw Todd move on so quickly. For whatever reasons it was not a good fit.

  94. Ray_Maines says:

    Sando would have put a new spreadsheet.

  95. Ray_Maines says:

    Frank Hughes had a passion for basketball. Does that count?

  96. Skavage, the Niners and the Seahawks will not be making any trades.

  97. Ray_Maines says:

    Skavage: I can’t find anybody on the 49’ers roster named Boone. What am I missing? The ;)?

  98. Jusjamn says:

    #1 – Second string O Linemen should not be THAT big of a drop off from 1st. With the frequency our 1’s get hurt, this spells trouble.

    #2 – No matter how fast/elusive RW is, he won’t make the entire season taking that many hits per drive.

    #3 – Cable must have naked pictures of either Pete or John.

    #4 – I hope they can coach those 2’s up to at least marginal status by the start of the season. If not, I hope they pick up some adequate linemen when other teams cut to 53.

  99. Jusjamn, I have been concerned about the offensive line since 1977.
    But especially in the last decade. If they can somehow just be a 10-15th ranked offensive line, that would take a lot of pressure off RW and the defense too.

  100. Jusjamn says:

    10 – 15 ranked and we win the division and prob NFC hands down! Oh well, I guess we can dream for mediocrity from our OLine…..

  101. oldtallguy says:

    I think Carp so far is a bust, but after being drafted, there was the lockout for 18 weeks. After the lockout right into an abbreviated pre season. No OTAs or time for teaching, getting in top physical condition, then week 9 lost for rest of season with injuries. So no OTAs or much of an opptunity for teaching and getting into top physical form for season 2. Ditto season 3. I wonder what the OL would be like if Carp, Okung and Unger had no injuries over the last 3 years and Moffit had a brain.

  102. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Clip Board Jesus just pulled a Russell Wilson and scrambled around for about ten seconds and completed at short pass that turned into about a thirty yard gain. He never showed that much wheels when he was here.
    Crazy play.
    Charlie Whitehurst for those new to the blog or team.

  103. On the flip side, there are plenty of players who were locked out and had good rookie years that year. Actually, 13 of the 24 players selected ahead of Carp have appeared in a Pro Bowl. As Yoda says, you only “do,” there is no “try.” Carp is Chris Spencer, Part II.

  104. PLUHawkFan says:

    Is it just me or does the NFL itself seem to be perpetuating the Johnny football talk? I’ve been a serious football fan for 30years. I swear I have never seen a player “MORE” hyped then Johnny Manziel. I’ve seen a lot of 1st round draft picks really hyped, but wow…

    I’d swear by the way some pundits talk, Johnny is the 2nd coming of Joe Montana.

    I bet you it’s not long before we hear talk about how JM is better then RW. Anyone wanna bet? How long before we here that kind of talk?


  105. PLUHawkFan says:

    Where is the edit button. Gregg can you put in request for us? At least allow edits within first 10min of post or something.

    Seems my fingers work faster then my brain at times :P

  106. Ray_Maines says:

    Moffitt has a brain, but lacks heart. His brain may or may not function very well at times, but he lost (or maybe never had) a sincere love for the game. He certainly had the body and credentials to justify a high round draft pick.

    In a crazy way I’m thankful for the John Moffitt experience. Because of him JS&PC have seemingly modified their search criteria for draftable players. I think as the years roll on the Seahawks will draft fewer and fewer players who don’t have the “heart” to play big time football, regardless of physical talent.

    Colin Cowherd and Mike Salk have convinced me that short term losses are more than offset by long term gains.

    All of that said, I really wish the O-Line were better. I don’t know who to blame, maybe Tom Cable, PC, JS, or just the football gods, but I’m sure annoyed with somebody.

    Tom Cable and Mike Holmgren both seem to believe their system is/was more important than the players in that system and I’m frustrated with both of them.

  107. Ray_Maines says:

    My fingers also work faster than my brain. That’s odd though, because I’m a really slow typist.

  108. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Watching the Cards play the Texans and the Cards may have hit big on a rookie QB 4th round pick Logan Thomas. Dude looks solid, lots of poise and nice arm. Just avoided a sack, pulled it down and fired a TD. Nice looking player in our division. Life after Palmer maybe not so bad.

  109. Ray_Maines says:

    I simply refuse to buy an extra cost package so I can watch pre-season games, but if one were on I’d be watching it right now.

  110. PLUHawkFan says:

    Ray_Maines. I get the refusal, especially since money doesn’t grow on trees. I paid the 20bucks though for NFL Preseason rewind, and I felt it was worth it. I’ll just forgo a week or two worth of Starbucks.

    Especially since I can rewatch and analyze games that way, besides just watching once.

  111. Hold up, did I just read someone say they not only listen to, but take advice from Saulk and Cowherd. Wowzer.

  112. Ray_Maines says:

    Yes sir!

  113. MoSeahawk12 says:

    You guys might save some money if you complain to the NFL. They totally screwed our first game. I wasn’t able to watch until the second half and then it was only coming to me at 400kb. Terrible quality. Last year the games looked great. They had some serious outage Thursday and are trying to save customers that spent the $20. I’m getting credit. It might be worth a swing if you get the preseason for $10-$15.

  114. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Interesting side note to last years O-line woes and Lynch. The 9ers with three first round picks on the Oline and are considered one of the best in the NFL lead the league in rushing attempts. We were second in rushing attempts.
    Frank Gore had 1,128 yards and nine touchdowns behind that stud line.
    Marshawn had 1,257 yards and twelve touchdowns behind our line with three starters missing half the season. As bad as our line looked and played at times, makes you wonder what Lynch could do behind a dominate line on par with the 9ers. Gore is no stiff and played behind arguably one of the best in the league, yet didn’t match Marshawn in yards or scores. We know that Lynch is top three, but kinda interesting non the less.

  115. Thanks Mo, I wish more people would realize how screwed the Hawks would have been without Lynch. Thinking Micheal or Turbin would be able to come in and replace Lynch with the next man up mentality never made sense to me. It’s crazy to think of what Lynch has accomplished with the Hawks when you put everything in perspective.

  116. Ray_Maines says:

    PLU: I kind of, sort of, a little bit, in a way agree with you. I almost think I’m going to buy the NFL Game Rewind package. It costs $30 for the regular season (like, less than $2.00 per week) and my wife has a steady job. But I just hate the very idea of paying the NFL for anything that really (according to me, anyway) should be free.

    On the other hand, the NFL has gone out of their way to make the TV experience way more valuable than the In Stadium experience, so why wouldn’t I pay $30 to enhance my TV package for a full year when you know darn well I won’t be spending $300-$400 for a single ticket plus transportation, parking, food and beer to go to a game live?

  117. Yeah that $300-400 game price is nuts. I’m flying to Az to watch a game. The crazy thing is it will be cheaper when it’s all said and done then actually catching a ferry and going to Seatown to watch it.

  118. Ewalters7354 says:

    Lol @skavage the whole 49error and hawks trade is hilarious

    On the Marshawn versus Gore yardage comparison.I get the whole Beast rushed for more yards behind a bad line,but he didn’t do it all by himself.How can you bust a 40yard tds against the niners or run for 98yrds in the first games,against a stout defense by yourself? You can’t.

    Not putting words in your mouth but I also think that goes to coaching. Does Lynch get hit a lot in the backfield? Absolutely.But he also has games Where he breaks 30-40 yard runs and goes over 100yards.

    For all the bashing Cable gets,and all the frustrating moves he makes with his players,he’s a damn good coach.

    Now imagine if Cable had the niners talent on this team…

    That’s why I believe Marshawn is replaceable.Though I am damn happy he’s back in the fold. He’s definitely a Beast.

  119. montanamike2 says:

    It pisses me off that after spending a fortune on jerseys, hats and various gear and posters, that pre season games aren’t included with your NFL season pass on DTV. How much more can they get from me? Not much. I’ll be flying to AZ too where i can afford to see the Hawks and i don’t have to worry about getting stabbed.

  120. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The Eagles pre-season games are on the NFL network 3 times out of the 4 weeks.
    And they don’t show the rematch of the Super Bowl?

    Even when the Seahawks are great they get little respect from the networks with regards to showing their games.

  121. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hey everyone it’s Johnny pre-season time.

    Soon to be Johnny season.

    Ending up to be Johnny no playoff season.

    Then to be-(if Johnny only had a good team) reason for missing the playoff season.

    Then Johnny off season.

    And over and over and over again.

  122. sluggo42 says:

    So then Ewalt, the problem with the oline is all about crappy players rather than a crappy coach Cable?

    I would have to disagree with your analysis personally. I see it as about a 50/50. At best. How many years do you give a guy? Year after year we bemoan the oline under Cable. Without RW’s mobility, and lynchs Beastmode, our oline would be deeply dead last. And if we had statue QB’s like Carson Palmer, nick roles, Peyton, etc., most of them would be in the hospital now. I just don’t see why people think cable is all that…

  123. ChrisHolmes says:

    I realize this conversation happened yesterday, but I wanted to chime in on the Todd thing.

    Obviously everyone noticed the content issue, twitter re-posts, etc.

    But what I noticed about his reporting, and I don’t know if anyone noticed this or not, was that Todd’s writing style came across as a guy who had a clear irreverence for the Seattle Seahawks, and more to the point, the NFL as a whole.

    Now, I don’t need a writer who worships at the alter of the NFL – it is, after all, just a game, and we fans tend to place too much importance on it at times. But the irreverence that came across in Todd’s writing, whether real or just perceived by me, really put a damper on my desire to read his material. I got the feeling reading Todd’s work that he just didn’t enjoy the NFL, didn’t care about learning the intricacies of the game, and would much rather have spent his time reporting on anything else. Again – that’s just my perception, but to me, that really stood out in his writing.

    Gregg, on the other hand, shows a clear enthusiasm for the game of football, and Seattle, and seems to show that degree of nuance and attention to detail that Todd lacked. In Gregg’s first few posts it was clear he really knew the X’s and O’s of the game, the positions, 3-tech vs. 5-tech, etc. And he just seems… for lack of a better word, happy to be covering the Seahawks. And that was a sentiment I never got from Todd’s writing; he never seemed like he was happy to be covering this team. And to cover them in their Superbowl run! And he just seemed like he didn’t enjoy it.

    So Gregg – welcome aboard man. You’re exactly the kind of enthusiastic, knowledgeable writer this blog needs and desires. And I look forward to reading your work, and more importantly, learning from what you write.

    Because personally – I love it when I can learn something new from this blog. For me, that’s the best part. And I have to tip my hat to guys like BobbyK, Georgia, STTBM, and especially Dukeshire, because I have actually learned some things from those guys over the years. And that sort of knowledge makes watching the game more fun.

  124. Ewalters7354 says:

    I never said he was all that.But the man is a damn good coach.I was specifically talking about Marshawn Lynch running for more yards than Frank Gore.It wasn’t because Marshawn can gain yardage on his own.You have to credit the coaching also.Nevertheless it was just my opinion.

  125. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’m with you Ewalters7354. I posted the Lynch thing to show another side of the O-line story. We all know he is one the best running backs in the NFL, current or past. He does deserve a lot of credit for breaking a ton of tackles and gaining yards after contact. However, I believe the O-line should get a lot of credit as well. He doesn’t just get yards without help from lineman opening holes. Marshawn is not lighting quick and relies more on holes opening, patience and vision. He of course has made plenty of Dlineman and linebackers look foolish at times.

    For all the O-line bashing, they helped Lynch out perform Gore, even though Gore plays behind the gold standard O-line. Some will only look at stats and where the O-line is ranked based on that and never consider the results. When you consider all the injuries to both the starting left and right tackle as well as the center and your best blocking tight end forcing the insertion of low round rookies and past their expiration vets holding down the line, you could better understand the job that Cable did last season.
    Football is much more than stats, especially when it comes to Oline play.

  126. Ewalters7354 says:

    Yes sir.Great points Mo.

  127. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I certainly don’t want to start or get into another long, drawn out O-line debate as we have all endured too many of those. Minds will never be changed on this category. There are those that put everything into stats and rankings and there are those that consider stats along with results. Both sides have their supporters.

    On a gee what a surprise not, the NFL actually took my complaint seriously and emailed me this today.


    Thank you for contacting NFL Preseason Live support. We do apologize for any Preseason Live issues encountered during the start of Preseason Week One.

    We are issuing you a full refund (please allow 3-5 business days for processing back to your bank) for Preseason Live this season, but we will leave your subscription active in order that you may access the game archives, as well as the remainder of the Preseason.

    Please let us know if you have any questions.

    Best regards,

    NFL Preseason Live Support

    I’m pretty surprised and was hopeful for a one game refund, but I’ll take it.

  128. If Lynch gets hit behind the line more than other RBs, yet still manages to get positive yards and go for 100+ some games despite this, how is that attributed to a good line or coaching. Lynch doesn’t gash for 20+ yrds that much so most of his yrds come from a heavy dose of carries where he steadily bangs for 4+ after getting touched. How again can you credit the OL or scheme again. The way I see it, Lynch does most of his damage for himself.

  129. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Take away the injuries to OkUnger & take away the three stooges,(Carpitt & HyperBowie) that Cable has absolutely no control over & I doubt we would be having conversations of how awful the O-line has played the two years.

  130. GeorgiaHawk says:


    Cable did have control over playing Carpitt when they had no business playing early, however I give him credit for learning from his mistakes & developing the soon to be great Sweezy.

  131. Ewalters7354 says:

    Yeah Tru you’re absolutely right.Lynch does it all by himself.

  132. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Marshawn has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry. That is what he had last year and in 2011. He has had one year better than that and that was 2012 when he averaged 5.0. His last year with the Bills he averaged 4.4 yards per carry. It’s not like his numbers have changed much regardless of what line he plays behind.
    It’s a bit of a stretch to imply his numbers would be that much better and that he does everything without much help from the O-line. His numbers over his career show a tough runner that averages 4.2 yards a carry.
    Dude is a total stud, but to get to his average with all the Oline injuries, shows how valuable he is as well as the rookies played at a higher level than credit is given. Cable can’t control injuries and playing with both tackles out for half the season and only losing three games is pretty decent.

  133. I forgot, has our line steadily improved, declined, or has been pretty much the same since 2011? During that time, how has the line been ranked against everybody else? When was Cable hired? During the last couple of years, where has Lynch been ranked? I think the answer to these questions says a lot.

  134. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Lynch had 1590 yards in 2012, a career year for him. That was the same year our O-line had very few injuries. Okung started 15 games that season, also a career high. He was a pro bowler along with Unger. Unger stated every game that season. 2013 season we lost Okung for eight games and Breno for eight games within a game of each other. Max Unger was also our four games
    Cable joined the team in 2011.

    Lynch and Adrian Peterson were the only two backs with more than 300 carries that season who averaged more than 5.0 yards per carry. You can see what a major difference a health O-line means. Line was healthy in 2012, Lynch career year, line missed half the season in 2013 and Lynch’s average dropped.
    To say Lynch makes all his yards without Oline help is inaccurate at best.

  135. He still got 1,200 + yrds in 2011 and 2013. No one is arguing you get more yards when you have a better line, but what I am arguing is Lynch still got 1,200 yrds both those other years when what, his line was below average. So yes, why wouldn’t he have a career year when he had a decent line, but those other two years were also excellent years for him as well without the line play. So yes, Lynch earns those yards because of him, you honestly think any other RB besides maybe Peterson would get 1,200 yrds behind our line? C’mon. Obviously Lynch doesn’t do it all on his own, but more times than not, he pushes through regardless.

  136. MoSeahawk12 says:

    First of all Lynch is my favorite running back ever behind only Walter Payton and Curt Warner. He plays like every game is his last and no one will ever question his toughness and heart. The dude is the pulse of this team and I truly believe we wouldn’t have got to, let won the Superbowl without him. His playoff game against the Saints where he gashed a top five D for 140 yards and two TDs and then followed up with 108 against an even better D in the 9ers is one of the all time great playoff performances from a running back. I’m certainly not saying he didn’t get his yards only because of the O-line, but am saying his career stats show he gets his average yards regardless of the quality of the line. He gets less with a worse line and more with a better line, just like ever back in the NFL. I do believe that AP would be the only other back to have over 1200 yards with our O-line. He and Marshawn are in my opinion, the two best RBs in the game.
    I’m just saying that some act like the line has nothing to do with his yards and that he gets 90% of his 1200 yards on his own without any blocking and that is not remotely close to the truth. Line play regardless of rankings factor heavily into a running backs success or lack of. Even the great Walter Payton needed a decent line. He was similar to Lynch in the fact that teams loaded the box to stop the run as Walter was the main threat for most of his career, yet he still got yards and TDs. Lynch is on a team that had a rookie QB two years ago and every team played us to take him away and stop the run as they were not worried about the short, rookie QB beating them. He was still able to keep pace with his career average rushing yards. Without decent blocking, he goes no where.

  137. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Honestly this wasn’t about starting another endless O-line debate. My original thought was what would Marshawn do with the line the 9ers have? I thought back to all the games, years that Gore just ran over us. He had several 200 yard games. 200 yards. The 9er oline just blocked the crap out of us for years and Gore benefited greatly. He’s also a damn great back. They could put any stiff at QB and just hand off to Gore and still choke us out. It drove me nuts as I hate the 9ers more now than I hated the Raiders back in the day of the AFC West. Of course our D is light years better than those teams and Gore hasn’t really gone off against us in the past few seasons.

    Gore is smaller and a little faster than Lynch, but what would a back like Lynch do behind that? I was glad the 9ers didn’t trade for him as I believe he would mask Kraper’s QB play by providing serious body blows and wear teams out. We could have been one of those teams. I’m so glad Pete and John traded for Lynch and that he gets to punish the rest of the league wearing the blue and green.

    Again, this all started with what would Lynch do behind arguably the best line in the NFC West, possibly the league. It really wasn’t about the Oline, it just surprised me that Gore’s numbers were behind Lynch’s last year even though he had more carries and we had three starters missing half the season.

  138. BigShermyWorm says:

    go hawks

  139. Georgia–“the soon to be great Sweezy.” That right there is hyperbole. You just dont give up, do you lol? They guy should be greatly improved from last season, but he’s got to be average overall (which means avg at pass pro, avg or better at run blocking) for a season or three before he becomes “great”, dont you think? That hasnt happened yet.

    “Great” is a term for guys like Unger (when healthy), Okung (when healthy), etc…Between Sweezy’s play last year and “great” lies an entire world of categorical steps, like Avg, Decent, Good, Very Good…Looking at it realistically, he’s probably gonna need a few years to get from not yet avg (where he was last year) to great.

    The reports from Camp are exciting, but he didnt exactly look like a stud among boys vs Denver, though I stood up for him since he was surrounded by young inexperienced players.

  140. On Lynch; he’s never had a great, or even Very Good, offensive line. Using stats is fine, whether its ProFootballFocus, which ranked Seattle at or near dead-last in Pass Pro all year long, and not as high as the total rushing yards stats would have you think in run blocking, or those yardage totals, or yards per carry, or what have you. Just as long as there is analysis to go along with the stats. Stats in a vacuum are at best misleading, and at worst useless lies.

    I cant see another back in the NFL other than AP rushing for 1,200 yards and 4.2 ypc behind last seasons line, no matter how many carries they got. I say that because not only do I pay attention to PFF’s articles and advanced stats, but I watch the line closely, with near obsession. It doesnt take an NFL line coach to see when a guy whiffs on his assignment, or cant hold a run block, or gives up pressure in pass pro. And out line was simply atrocious at pass pro last season, and not anywhere near as good as some would paint it in the run game.

    As for Gore, he’s nowhere near the back Lynch is, and thats been true for several years. He’s not as good, period. And this is sheer opinion, so feel free to disagree, but I think Lynch would have avg 5.5 ypc and ran for 1500 yards or more behind the Niners line, and Gore would have been lucky to run for 850 yards and 3.5 ypc.

    Lynch ran something like a 4.4 40 coming out of college. While he’s certainly not as quick/fast as he was, he’s smarter, more knowledgeable and stronger than he was. He’s still plenty fast enough to explode through a hole, or make an ankle-breaking juke.

    Another “stat” some like to point out as being proof the line performed at a high level in run blocking is the rushing yards generated by RW. On designed runs/read option plays, I think thats fair. But how many of RW’s yards came on busted plays where a) the WR’s didnt get open and/or b) the line didnt pass pro adequately and RW had to run for daylight? Those yards should in no way count towards the total yards gained in the run game.

    Thats a good example of what I mean about stats being misleading and/or lies. Its also a good example of why interpolation and analysis of stats is critical to gleaning real meaning from numbers.

    Exactly where last years line ranked in run blocking is debatable, certainly. But I dont think you can label them elite. And when you add the run blocking to the struggles they had in pass pro, you get a line that may have averaged out as mediocre/avg, but certainly no more than that.

    Certainly the causes/reasons for the struggles last season are manifold and arguable. Injuries were a major cause, as Unger and Okung were never right, not to mention Carpenter and Giacomini missing time. However, even with Giac healthy and the others playing, the line never really played well overall.

    This year, Im hopeful that Okung, Unger, and Carpenter will be healthy by Game One, that Sweezy will improve continually, and that we will find a competent RT by then. If those things happen, there will be no excuse for not fielding a line that is top-5 in the run game anyway you slice it, and at least avg at pass pro. And as many have pointed out, thats likely all this team needs to dominate on offense and bring another title home.

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