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Pete Carroll: Unfortunate we lost Bowie

Post by TJ Cotterill / The News Tribune on Aug. 4, 2014 at 3:25 pm with 33 Comments »
August 4, 2014 3:25 pm

When the Seattle Seahawks waived second-year offensive lineman Michael Bowie this weekend, they did it with the intention of bringing him back and placing him on the injured reserve if he cleared waivers. He didn’t.

Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said it was unfortunate they weren’t able to keep him, but also mentioned that Bowie had entered camp 20 pounds overweight.

Bowie started eight games on the offensive line last season, including one playoff game. But he required surgery on his shoulder and was expected to miss the next 4-6 months.

Players will less than four years of service time cannot be placed straight on injured reserve during the preseason. In order to be placed on injured reserve, the player has to be waived with an injured designation. At that point, other teams have the ability to claim the player even despite their injured status.

The Seahawks did this with tight end Anthony McCoy last season and were able to retain him. They weren’t with Bowie, who was claimed by the Cleveland Browns. The Seahawks would have had to keep Bowie until Aug. 26, when the first round of cuts take place, in order to send Bowie straight to the IR.

The Seahawks signed a pair of lineman, Cory Brandon and Wade Smith, to create more competition at offensive tackle  in Bowie’s place.

“There’s a big competition going on and there has been since the start of camp,” Carroll said. The Seahawks lost right tackle Breno Giacomini to free agency as well as Paul McQuistan. “It’s unfortunate we don’t get to keep Michael, but we have to keep moving on and keep going here.

Carroll also spoke about Marshawn Lynch’s conditioning as he suited up at training camp practice today and what he’s seen from Percy Harvin.

Wide receiver Phil Bates left practice with what Carroll said was an illness. Carroll said they plan to bring rookie receiver Kevin Norwood back slowly as he recovers from a foot injury.

Here’s the rest of what Carroll had to say:

Did you like what you saw (from B.J. Daniels)?

For the opportunities he’s had, he hasn’t had a lot of chances to get prepared. But he does know the offense, he knows what’s going on and he is a playmaker and he showed that Saturday in the scrimmage.

Do you feel the team is more healthy than at this point last year?

I don’t remember last year at this time as far as our health. But I do know we have some guys coming back. Kam Chancellor came back to practice today, Russell Okung came back to practice, Paul Richardson got back on the field, and we know that there are a number of other guys on the verge of coming back. We are in a pretty good health situation as you look ahead for the next couple weeks if everybody returns well and right.

We are doing fine. We are in pretty good shape. Our guys had a fantastic offseason. They came to camp in great shape and we are hoping to be fast and ready to go Thursday night.

Speaking of Kam being back, Jeron has had a lot of opportunities with him being out. What have you seen out of Jeron?

He’s fit in beautifully back there. ­­He’s a great communicator back there now. He can take charge, make the calls, works with Earl (Thomas) really well. He’s been in the rotation for a couple years now so there’s nothing new for him, but he’s handled it really well. WE feel like the system has allowed him to flourish and play really well. He’s done a great job.

Anything new on Kevin Norwood and his foot?

He looks like, we are waiting for more information. We are going to take our time with him. He’s not going to come back right away. It’s going to be a bit.

Thoughts on Michael Bowie’s loss and managing players at tackle?

There’s a big competition going on and there has been since the start of camp. It’s unfortunate that we don’t get to keep Michael, but we have to keep moving and keep going here. This is a very competitive situation with (Justin) Britt and (Eric) Winston and I think Alvin Bailey will be mixed into it, too, eventually. So it’s a really good spot for us in that we do have depth and we have competition but unfortunately Mike wasn’t able to stay with us.

So Alvin Bailey could get into the competition for that spot?

Absolutely. He’s played guard a little bit, too, so he’s really valuable in that regard.

Did you feel you just couldn’t hold on to the roster spot for a few weeks with Bowie?

That’s the decision that we made. He came in 20 pounds overweight, too.

Any idea on Phil Bates and what he left with today?

He was wasn’t feeling well today. Under the weather.

How would you assess Marshawn’s conditioning?

We are going to take our time with him. We’ve always been very patient with him, making sure his body is in great shape and also we are just going to bring him along. He missed a lot of offseason with us. He did work very hard; he had a very diligent routine and regiment that he went through, but it’s still football shape he has to get in. Our guys are in shape year round. They are in shape. But we have to get them in football shape and that takes some time. These other guys are a long ways ahead of him as far as working through all the OTAs and mini camps and all that. WE are going to be patient with it.

Are there intangibles with having Kevin Williams here?

Kevin is a guy who really does bring intangibles. He’s a great competitor, he’s a fantastic leader, has been great guy in their locker room for years. Everybody speaks so highly of him. He’s got tremendous character. That kind of wisdom you bring to your club is always beneficial. He’s a fantastic guy, decided to come here even though he had other places, he wanted to come here. We think he is a great addition. I think he is going to be in the mix to play on a regular basis for us. We are really pleased about that.

Are Wagner and Carpenter close to getting back for you?

Carp more than Wags. Wags thing is going to take a little longer. Carpenter we have a chance to get back in the next couple days. So we are hoping to see that.

Are you looking forward to seeing how pass interference is called?

I think we know. WE had a really good session with the officials and they have done a great job of clarifying what they are going to call. I think we know that. We just have to do a good job of playing within the rules.

Each of the new offensive linemen that are here, can you talk about them?

Wade Smith and Cory Brandon who are here, can bring us something. We want to continue to work to make this position as competitive as possible. We have a lot of young guys in that spot. These guys, Wade in particular, brings a lot of experience and tremendous flexibility. He has started at five spots. That kind of flexibility might fit with us. A really good guy, smart guy, I think that helps us kind of as we try to mold this thing together.

Does it feel like game week?

Oh yeah, it definitely feels like game week. It’s coming quick, Thursday night. It’s going to be fun. It’s a great opportunity to play an incredible football team. They are a tremendous team and they have some great additions to their team I know they are very excited about. We are anxious to see what they look like, too, knowing we are going to see them in the season. So it’s a really cool matchup. I’m sure there will be a lot of people interested in it.

What happened to Dion Bailey?

He sprained his ankle. Pretty good ankle sprain.

This week’s schedule?

This is competition Monday. Turnover Thursday is on Tuesday. That means Wednesday we are going be .. uh.. uh. Repeat Friday. So if you can figure that out, let me know.

The Broncos have made defensive additions with T.J. Ward, Ware and Talib. Have you seen teams respond a little bit to the blueprint you guys have created?

I don’t know anything about that. We have unique personnel and we try to use them in unique ways based on what they can do. That’s always the way we have looked at it. I don’t know how that affects anybody else though.

How happy are you with where Percy is at?

It’s been really fun to see him. He’s an incredible football player, he’s a great competitor and he shows that every day on the practice field. We are trying to figure this out with these short weeks how to monitor him just right. He’ll practice in kind of a rotation fashion in these next couple weeks. His playmaking ability and his extraordinary speed shows up daily and it’s really good for Russell Wilson to work with him and figure him out because he is that different from other guys.

I think we’ve known the person he is, we just needed the reps and the turns and get him the opportunity to dig in with the offense. There is a lot of stuff that goes on. A lot of intricacies. It takes time. Hopefully we’ve had that continuity throughout the offseason and it should pay off for us, should help us.

What’s the likelihood Malcolm Smith plays Thursday?

Not likely that he will play. Not one of the traditional categories, not likely, but we’ll call it not likely.

Leave a comment Comments → 33
  1. The message; if you are a first round pick, its ok to stay 30 plus pounds overweight for three years and play poorly, but if you are a late rounder or UDFA, you better stay in shape or PC and company will waive/injured your fat ass…

  2. RDPoulsbo says:

    The reason Carp is still here is because he was a 1st round pick so 4 years of his contract are fully guaranteed whether he’s on the team or not. To tie this into the previous discussion about rookie contracts, the guaranteed money is the tradeoff for the obscene rookie ones in the previous CBA. Yes, Carp has been maddening to keep around, but on the whole, the rookie pay scale works. Perhaps the league’s rookie performance money pool should be increased for the Wilsons or Shermans of the league to bring more balance, but that might not happen until the next CBA comes due.

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think the Carp/Moffitt experience is a big reason why HyperBowie is gone.

    That’s another reason why this organization is so great. They are willing to see where they make mistakes (even if it takes awhile) & correct them.

    HyperBowie tried to pull a Carpitt & got the rug pulled out from under himself instead.

    Carroll won’t put up with lazy lineman anymore & that’s why they shipped of Moffitt last year, sent Carp a message this year & cut Bowie this year.

    I would rather see Bowie go to the mistake by the lake than becoming a mistake by the Seahawks lake while taking up a roster spot of a player that has the work ethic of a J.R. Sweezy.

  4. Skavage says:

    Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but I must admit I smiled with amusement about it. 49ers new Levi stadium trouble…

  5. RDPoulsbo says:

    That’s hilarious. Guess I won’t be looking for tickets in the Bay Area should I decide it’s worth it in spite of the stabbings. You’ll never get in or out. Good call on not having prime time games there this year. Fans wouldn’t be able to get back home until 6am the next day.

  6. montanamike2 says:

    The Whiners lost their nose tackle for the year yesterday, Aldon Smith is going to probably be made an example of because of the lax penalty on Ray Rice and so on and so on… Kap better score 50 points a game or they won’t be making the playoffs.

  7. Dukeshire says:

    Thank you Skavage; that was awesome!

  8. Bowie already proved he could play G and was tough; all he needed was time to get in shape/rehab and switch to G.

    I wish Sweezy had his skill level.

    Whatever; Bowie really pissed them off or they wouldn’t be making such a big deal about 20 lbs when they ignored Carps extra 30…I still think Cables ego is involved; Carp and Sweezy are his picks—Bowie wasn’t. This is Cable covering his butt and getting rid of someone who isn’t “his” guy…first chance he had.

    If Carp struggles or gets hurt or leaves next year, were all gonna miss Bowie…

  9. montanamike2 says:

    I’m not sure, but i think Carp would have already been cut if not for his guaranteed 4 year salary.

  10. montanamike2 says:

    He better light it up this year now that there’s a fire under his butt.

  11. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    losing Bowie is not that big of a deal. He was a 7th rd pick so its not like we cut a 1st rounder. I think Britt/Winston or Bailey will be just fine.

  12. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Seattltimes is saying Norwood could be out for the year.

  13. MoSeahawk12 says:

    How is Bowie not a Cable pick? 7th round Olineman. It would seem to some that Cable runs the draft and Pete and John step aside.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The only one that has struggled, gotten hurt, or left is HyperBowie.

    Nothing much to miss really. Lol.

    Sweezy’s a stud!

    A force moving forward!

    Ready to take out any defender that gets in his way!

    Ready to teach Britt the ways of a dirtbag!

    Ready to bring out the inner Breno mode that complements the Beast mode!
    Ready to further explore his unlimited potential!

    The anti HyperBowie!
    The real deal!
    The one!
    The only!
    The take out your kneezy!

  15. Hawks85 says:

    Bowie was never really going to set the world on fire especially if his worth ethic is crap. Carp had injuries to partiality blame for his wieght gain, Bowie has Moffit written all over him. I think we have enough depth on OL that this is a non issue. I’d rather Bailey take the RT spot, and run with it. Lemuel Jeanpierre out played Unger the majority of last year, granted Unger was hurt, but LJP provides a LOT of depth to our interior OL.

    I’m really excited about Norwood, but Percy, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, and Bates are still a really good group. I’m hoping Lockette is cut loose he has speed, but his unnecessarily roughness penalty against Denver easily could have swung a 5-0 game the other way

  16. AZBubba71 says:

    If Bowie showed up for camp fat and out of shape with the potential to win a starting position, what kind of physical condition would he likely be in next year if Seattle had just placed him on IR when he can’t really do much for the next 6 months?

    Bowie needed a wake up call. For his sake, maybe he’ll learn from this and be a great OL in Cleveland. It probably wasn’t going to happen here for him.

  17. Gorgia–Saying Sweezy is a stud is a typo, right? You must mean “dud”, which is what he was through most of his first two seasons. He still has yet to put in a game on the level of Bowies performance vs the Cardinals, despite two full years to start. Period.

    MO–Wasnt Bowie one of the picks made by Seattle’s personnel guy who retired after the last draft, from MS or something? I thought Bowie and Bailey were his picks, but it is possible I am mistaken.

    Regardless, I smell a Rat, and Cable meddling once again.

    MIkefromJersey–His draft status should be irrelevant: Baldwin was undrafted, Sherm a fifth rounder. While Bowie hasnt even played to Baldwin levels, let alone Sherm levels, the point remains….

    AZBubba–Bowie probably did need a wakeup call. Consider him awake. But he deserved the same consideration Sweezy and Carp got, not to mention Giacomini last year, and he didnt get it.

    Im calling BS, until I hear something that makes me change my mind.

    Funny, I called it that Ruskell was deliberately getting rid of Holmy’s guys and bringing in losers who couldnt run his systems just to sandbag him: I caught hell for that, yet I was proven 100% right. So pardon me if I dont bow to the opinions of the Happy Homer majority right now…

  18. Skavage says:

    Glad you liked it Duke. Sometimes it’s those little “hidden” gems that leave you smiling the most. :)

  19. mocarob says:

    So you’re saying that Timmy purposely picked bad players so Mike would fail? Wouldn’t that make himself look bad and risk his own job? You were proven 100% correct on that theory?

  20. Southendzone says:

    Can we get at list please of the “Cable Guys” and “Non-Cable Guys” before hand so we will know how to react when one of them is cut?

    Also, it’s kind of contradictory that there are Non-Cable guys who he never wanted, but once they are on the team, he has the power to get them cut or released. If he had that much power, you’d think that the team would simply bring in players he liked.

    The Cable/Non-Cable theory also fails a bit in the face of facts like Pete saying at least twice that Bowie was out of shape. Is Pete saying what Cable asked him to? That’s a big deal for him to publicly call out a player’s conditioning.

    So if you can make up fairy tales about Cable players & Non-Cable players, I’m gonna make the leap that there was more going on than just the conditioning and shoulder issue with Bowie. Probably something related to attitude.

  21. Ruskell deliberately brought guys in that might fit his future personnel needs, but damn sure didnt fit Holmgrens schemes. He carefully weeded out as many of Holmy’s guys as he could, often jettisoning good players and replacing them with far lesser talents.

    Sure, some of that was simply bad personnel acumen. But the rancor between the two men reached such a pitch that Ruskell was willing to do anything to ensure Holmy left, and Timmay could hire his pal Mora. Thank God that little experiment blew up in a hurry…

    As for Cable, I do feel that Bowie was a guy he saw as a threat to his handpicked G’s Carpenter and Sweezy, and thus a threat to his job if he beat them out. Thats not a wild conspiracy theory, that kind of crap happens in the NFL all the time–have you read any books by former players or coaches?! Cable is still smarting from begging for and getting Carp and Moffit. He’s feeling the pressure to turn Carp into at least a serviceable LG, and Sweezy a solid starter, since he cant pick a RT to save his life…

    Obviously his coming in 20 lbs overweight was a huge issue for them. Much worse than Carp being 30 plus pounds overweight, or Moffit looking like he never ran past the mailbox or lifted anything but pizza and beer, since he got the boot before one training camp…

    As I said, being overweight, getting hurt, and possibly attitude issues and perhaps other stuff we dont know about may have led to this point. But I still think Cable wanted Bowie out for BS reasons, and thats a big part of this. PC will allow him a lot of leeway in personnel decisions, as we’ve seen; the line is the only place where its Sometimes Compete instead of Always Compete.

  22. We lost Bowie so we could hire Wade Davis (?) and 11 year vet of dubious ability (made the Pro Bowl in 2012 but showed marked decline last year), and some guy the Cardinals just jettisoned.


    Couldnt possibly have run at 89 players till first cuts…Whatever. Just so long as the line is much improved, which I still feel it will be. Im looking forward to watching Winston at RT this preseason, I think he’ll take the job and do a fine job, and let me tell you I am pumped to finally see some decent RT play. We havent seen that except the second half of 2012 since our SB year of 2005. Thats a terribly long drought….

  23. montanamike2 says:

    I see Britt as the answer at RT for the long haul, until he learns our scheme and the position/technique, i have no problem starting Winston or whoever gets the job done. then moving them to backup or even as a rotation player, especially during blowouts when i’d like to see all the important players pulled for risk of injury. I’m glad LPJ might get a shot this year, i know he’s valuable as a backup center but dude deserves a line position. He could always slide over if Unger goes down again much like KJ for Wagner at MLB.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    That’s disheartening to hear about Norwood, i had high hopes for him, maybe i’ll just treat this as a redshirt season and be grateful to keep another WR. Georgia, once i don’t see a reason we can’t 3 peat except maybe injuries with the talent we have locked up and PC/JS’s ability to keep finding gems through the draft. We are now the most desirable location for UDFA’s and aging vets who made their money and just want a ring.

  25. yankinta says:

    lol,, looks like I’m the only one that loved Pete’s comment about BJ Daniels…. our future back up QB. :)

    Too bad about Norwood but I hear Phil Bates is stepping up.

    I’m still waiting to hear about KJ Wright Extension. Hopefully by giving a little extra money to Lynch did not mess that up…

  26. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Yes Cable has that much say and power on this team. You’re talking about a failed coach with the raiders. There hasn’t been one team interested in him, yet you give him all this leverage and power over personal decisions. Ok. I’m with South and mocarob on this theory. Cable doesn’t run the draft.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    I’ll give you props on the BJ call. My last example shows why i value KJ much more than Malcolm Smith Super bowl MVP, his versatility at positions and unique attributes make him more valuable. I’m looking forward so badly to see Marsh tear it up in pre season in just 2 more days!

  28. Mo–Teams being interested in hiring him as a HC or not has nothing to do with his job as OL Coach and Assistant HC. He was given First and Third round picks in the same draft to build his line, plus a former second rounder (Unger) and the former sixth pick in the draft (Okung). He stood on the table for Carp, insisted he would be a RT when everyone else in the world laughed and said he was too fat and slow-footed to play RT. Carp and Moffit are his guys. They werent guys that were picked by the scouts and guys Cable didnt really want, they were his hand-picked guys to build his line with.

    Moffit flamed out, Carp flamed out at RT and was hurt and showed up fatter than anyone including Bowie for his rookie camp. (Lockout was no excuse, he showed up more out of shape than any other rookie or vet on the team, perhaps in the NFL).

    Sweezy is Cable’s hand-picked guy as well. Thats well documented. He was immediately installed as the starter, and kept playing time despite making mental mistakes and being dominated physically for nearly two years.

    Bowie and Bailey were guys chosen by the scouts and the personnel guy who retired. They sorta fit what Cable was looking for, but they werent his hand-picked guys. And Bowie was given far less time to make up for showing up fat and out of shape than the Cable Crew.

    Yes, Cable was given his choice for the First and Third round picks that were MOffit and Carp. Yes, he had SERIOUS input on Britt; PC admitted there were players they liked much better than Britt, but because of Cable’s failures with Carp etc at RT, they felt they HAD to get a quality RT, and after Britt there was no one worth bothering with, so once again, Cable was given a higher pick than they valued a player at (Carp, Britt) to get his man. I’d say that makes him someone with a LOT of clout in the draft process. You certainly havent heard about the same consideration being given to Dan Quinn or Bevell.

    Surprising that so many turned on Bowie so quickly, after being so high on him last year and this offseason. They turned faster than with Carp and Moffit, thats for sure.

    I do like the fact that Seattle isnt messing around any more, staying pat with late-round, UDFA, and youngsters stolen off teams PS. They are bringing in the best reasonably priced FA’s they can get, and it wouldnt surprise me to see them churn the roster as others become available after first cuts.

    I think its clear that PC is putting his foot down, and telling Cable he has to field a competent line one way or another; if that means benching a young guy Cable is sure will be good one day, and letting him learn the hard slow way behind an aging vet, then so be it; he’s not going to allow us to go through the season with a RT who plays like Sweezy did at G the last couple seasons.

    Thank God for that.

    And Sweezy, irritating as its been to watch him flail and learn on the job, should be much improved this season. If he isnt, dont be surprised if PC puts in someone else; we cant continue allowing RW to take a beating.

    Most sacks in the NFL per pass attempt. Thats a very telling stat to measure the O-lines pass pro performance from last year…

  29. MontanaMike2–Im not sure they intend to re-sign Wright. He wont get any faster, and you know they love speed. Plus, he will likely get pretty nice offers to start at MLB by other teams once he hits FA. Seattle may have to choose between re-upping with Wright or Wagner. In that case, its a no-brainer to keep Wags; you can teach technique, you cant teach speed.

    But yes, if it were a case of choosing between Smith and Wright, Wright’s technique and versatility would make him the obvious choice to retain. Not to take anything away from Smith, who is a better athlete, but he is easier to replace, with Irvin, Toomer, Miller, Pierre-Louis, Morgan, Schofield, and Jeffcoat still fighting for roster spots. And some of those guys are as fast or faster than Smith.

    Seattle also seems to have found a real gem in Brock Coyle, and he may make a cheaper, long-term backup at MLB than Wright.

    Gotta churn the roster and keep it full of young, cheap labor to pay for RW and the secondary…

  30. Southendzone says:

    For those keeping score at home:

    Okung – Not a Cable Guy
    Carp – Cable Guy
    Unger – Not a Cable Guy
    Sweezy – Cable guy
    Bailey – Not a Cable guy
    Britt – sort of a cable guy
    Schilling – Cabley-ness unknown
    Van Wroten – Cabley-ness unknown
    Gilliam – Cabley-ness unknown
    Winston – Cabley-ness unknown
    Smith – Cabley-ness unknown
    Brandon – Cabley-ness unknown
    Lemeuel – Cabley-ness unknown
    Isles – Cabley-ness unknown

  31. Britt is most definitely a Cable guy.

    Cabley-ness! Thats hilarious!

  32. My thinking on this is Bowie seemed to not be able to step up to seize the opportunity of a potential starters job. Perhaps that was b/c of his injury but likely in Pete’s mind it was b/c Bowie was unwilling or unprepared to compete. I wonder if the motivation issue was reason why and potentially talented Bowie slipped so far in the draft?

    In the end the message was sent to the rest of the team loud and clear, come fat and you’ll find any chance of remaining here to be somewhat dicey. Anyone who didn’t get the message sent with this player being waived injured will likely not be here long either. I’m some what happy with the OLine additions of Winston and Wade Smith and remain curious about Brandon. The OLine still remains a work in progress and much will depend upon them getting and staying healthy but the opportunity appears to be there for significant improvement.

    As ever some of the guys recently cut could find their way back if team needs and opportunity coincide.

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