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Unleash the Beast

Post by Dave Boling / The News Tribune on Aug. 1, 2014 at 5:34 am with 53 Comments »
August 1, 2014 5:34 am

  Easy to target a focus for Friday at Seahawks camp. After all the drama of Marshawn Lynch’s holdout, we’ll see if he’s actually on the field and involved in practice. Will he have more of the issues with an ankle that sidelined him for the minicamp? Will he show any residual displeasure from the contract dealings with the front office?

  If we can go by how he responded to landing his contract two years ago, the money made no difference at all in the intensity with which he ran the ball. According to reports, he got some more money now but the shifting around didn’t cost the Seahawks any “new” money, or set a precedent of buckling in the face of any future holdouts.

What was learned by the experience? The Seahawks appreciate his play, but were willing to go on without him if it got crazy. And Marshawn really wants to keep playing football — at the right price.

Whatever Lynch had been doing, he wasn’t watching weather reports, as he showed up at VMAC expecting a cold spell. He was wearing a thick “Beast Mode” hoodie and a knit stocking cap bearing the word “YES.”

Sources report Lynch receiving about a million more this season, although it seems unclear yet whether the team is wiling to waive fines that built up to roughly half a million during his absence.

From a practical, day-to-day perspective, I don’t think much will change with Lynch’s return. He hasn’t been used much during training camp and preseason as it is. We’ll still get a heavy diet of Robert Turbin and Christine Michael during team sessions.  Over the past week, Michael has missed a little work with a shoulder injury, but both have responded well to the greater exposure allowed by Lynch’s absence. I think it’s easy to say that Michael is the faster but Turbin a better and more reliable blocker.But  I think that Turbin has shown better burst into the open field than I might have expected, and Michael has been more solid in the other running back responsibilities than expected. Both have been sound catching the ball, too.

–Thursday was a tough day if you wanted to watch top-end receivers, as Harvin and Baldwin were rested while rookies Richardson and Norwood missed because of injury. Richardson has a shoulder injury that doesn’t sound like a long-term issue. But when you look at the slender receiver, and consider the questions about his durability, any injury can be seen as a concern.

Norwood’s foot problem seems to have the potential to develop into more of an issue. “His foot has not responded the way we had hoped,” Carroll said. “It’s okay today, but he’s not better. We’re just going to try to quiet him down and see what to do next. He’s had MRIs and all that stuff, and there’s nothing we can do at this point. But we’re trying to find the right solution: the footwear, the orthotics and all the different things we can do to try to help his foot.”

That doesn’t sound promising. The “up” side, though, has been the emergence of Phil Bates, a former quarterback at Ohio U who has been learning the receiver position the past two seasons.

“He’s really been productive,” Carroll said. “He’s been active. He’s made a bunch of big plays. This is a culmination of a couple years of work to get him to this point. Remember, he adapted from the quarterback spot and he has really shaped and sculpted his body. He looks like a receiver. He has all the movements now. He’s a very tough competitor. We love what he’s doing.”

Russell Wilson was asked about Bates after practice, too, and touted him as a possible breakout receiver this season.  “He’s got great speed, huge hands,” Wilson said. “He just catches the ball extremely well; he works extremely hard. He loves the game. He’s one of the first guys [in], he’s one of the last guys to leave. He’s dedicated to his craft.”

–Another player getting more attention on Thursday because of injuries was tight end Cooper Helfet. With Anthony McCoy going on IR with the new Achilles injury, and Zach Miller getting the day off from practice, Helfet saw more action. “He’s done everything we’ve asked him for a couple years around here,” Carroll said of Helfet. “He’s been a terrific guy working his way through it. He’s been better every season he’s been with us. He’s stronger and faster. He knows everything. He’s a special teams guy for us as well. He’s got great hands. So this is a tremendous opportunity for him.”

–John Boyle at has a feature on Greg Scruggs. Scruggs is a guy I watch closely, as I admire those who come from such esteemed institutes of higher learning and character-building as Louisville. Scruggs is listed at 310, significantly bigger than his 284 out of college. The bulk doesn’t appear to have affected his speed, but allows him to play the 5 technique end, and also come inside in the nickel package. He showed he could finish with a couple sacks as a rookie, but lost last season to a knee injury. I thought it was interesting that Carroll, when talking of Scruggs, touted his excellent conditioning, which allows him to be so unrelenting despite his size, and also to be an every-down D-lineman.

–Q13 Fox has some video of the Marines dropping in on practice yesterday, jumping into Lake Washington from  helicopters and swimming to shore. The players lined that side of the field and appeared to enjoy the show.

–Tony Drovetto’s notebook on features a 2-minute drill with Phil Bates interviewed by Tony Ventrella. Bates has played hockey and has seven brothers and sisters.

There’s also video on NFL Network from Marshall Faulk talking about return of Lynch. “If you win a championship, the last thing you want is a distraction.”



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  1. SandpointHawk says:

    Norwood could be our first red shirted rookie this year. But by what I’ve been hearing, I certainly hope not…

  2. abqhwkfn says:

    Seems to me the guys just going to have to continue playing with pain. If his foot has been an issue since high school I don’t see it getting any better at this point. Maybe a red shirt season does him some good. Maybe not. People are paid a lot more money then I to make those decisions.

  3. oldtallguy says:

    What’s first? Coffee, cigarette or Boling, tough choice so early in the morning

  4. montanamike2 says:

    On the Lynch compromise definitely a win-win. Turbin and Michael will be added but get a bit hungrier while improving their craft. Norwood’s foot is a bit of an issue but might open the door for Bates, if Wilson says he has big hands then he must have baseball mitts! I’m not sure about Helfert though, has he improved enough?

  5. RDPoulsbo says:

    Sounds like the Lynch deal was one for Jim to save face. Unfortunately, the Hawks already set a precedence with Clemons, so hopefully, they can continue to walk that back sand it doesn’t happen again. I’ve always sided with the players when there’s been a CBA dispute, but I have no patience for players that holdout.

    I wouldn’t be to worried about these soft tissue injuries at this point. PC had a track record of having players sit out with minor bruises. No big deal since health is the most important thing right now.

  6. RDPoulsbo says:

    Jim to save face? Damn auto correct. Him to save face.

  7. trout_hound says:

    Ha, I totally called that extra million for Lynch. And Paul Allen’s lawn looks sharp. Glad he’s back in camp. Feed the Beast!

  8. montanamike2 says:

    It’s good to rotate players this time of year, not only for talent evaluation but this is when vets go down too.

  9. montanamike2 says:

    I wonder how all the Rice backlash will affect the Aldon Smith suspension?

  10. Ewalters7354 says:

    Damn glad they worked something out!Go Hawks!!

  11. chuck_easton says:

    But did Lynch edge and trim the shrubs Trout? Or would that have been another million or so?

  12. Ewalters7354 says:

    Aldon Smith should be suspended at least 8 games,but he gonna end up with about 4.Goodell is a buster like that.

  13. chuck_easton says:


    Clemons pulled his holdout with one year remaining on his contract.

    The precedent the team didn’t want to set with Lynch was a player holding out only 1/2 way into their contract and/or with two or more years remaining on their contract.

  14. trout_hound says:

    Chuck, he may have to trim the shrubs to get back his 400k+ in fines for holding out.

  15. yankinta says:

    Dave, not sure if you already saw this article but it’s really worth reading…. I agree with 95% of it. :)

    My Favorite Quotes : LOL

    “Only Roethlisberger had more 8.0 Y/A games (20) than Wilson (19.) That’s not a category that Luck is in the top 100 of. His four career such games are two fewer than what Tim Tebow had in his first two seasons. (Sorry for pulling the Tebow card, but you made me!)”

    “There’s nothing that Luck has ever done that Wilson has not done. There are many things that Wilson has done that Luck has not. I’d much rather have the guy that makes you crave statistics rather than the one that sometimes forces you to find arguments that avoid them.”

  16. trout_hound says:

    Ok, it was 1.5 million, or 2 mil if you count the fine forgiveness.

    ‘The Seahawks took $1 million in bonus and incentive money and added it to Lynch’s 2014 salary. They also added $500,000 to his compensation for this year by giving him a bonus slated for 2015 a year early according to Those moves took his total compensation this season from $5 million to $6.5 million. The Seahawks also forgave Lynch’s fines for holding out, which totaled about $500,000, according to’

  17. “I admire those who come from such esteemed institutes of higher learning and character-building as Louisville.”

    LOL, is Dave a Louisville grad or something?

  18. montanamike2 says:

    I believe this move frees up more money next year too but i could be wrong.

  19. Southendzone says:

    MM2 you’re right if Marshawn is on the team next year the 2015 cap hit will be decreased by that 500k. But on the other hand they reduce potential 2014-2015 rollover by that same 500k so looking at it that way it’s a push.

  20. yankinta says:

    This is what I call a STRONG Finish!! Loved it!! :)

    “But we can go on and on and on. The real question is this: Why do we have to keep playing this game? Josh was kind enough to say that he favors only Luck over Wilson, but for every Josh there appear to be 12 Ron Jaworski’s. A dozen others willing to say that no matter what he does, Wilson will never by the type of QB you win a Super Bowl with.

    Will never be the type to be a Pro Bowler.

    Will never be the type to put a team on his gnomey shoulders.

    It’s the defense that does it all after all, right? RIGHT?

    – October 28, 2012: Wilson gives Seattle a 17-7 lead over the Lions in Detroit. The Lions come back to take the lead but Wilson throws for 66 yards on a late fourth quarter drive to give the Seahawks a 24-21 lead. Wilson had a lapse on defense though and Detroit came back to win.

    – November 25, 2012: Wilson gives Seattle a 14-7 lead over the Dolphins in Miami. Up 21-14 late in the game, Wilson ****** up on defense and the Dolphins came back to win.

    – January 13, 2013: Wilson gives Seattle a 28-27 lead over the Falcons in Atlanta in the playoffs, following a 20-point fourth quarter comeback in which he scored twice. Dumb-dumb Wilson couldn’t hold on defense for the last few seconds. Seahawks lose.

    – December 8, 2013: Seahawks are up 17-16 against the 49ers in San Francisco with 6:20 left. Hey, Wilson, buddy … Defense … ever heard of it? Phil Dawson kicks a game-winner with less than a minute to go.

    – December 22, 2013: In one of his worst career games, Wilson still finds the gumption to toss a go-ahead touchdown against the Cardinals in the fourth quarter. Clearly he knows shit-all about defense though, and Arizona comes back to win it.

    These are just the losses, by the way, if you hadn’t caught on to that. One more …

    – October 6, 2013: Seattle Seahawks at Indianapolis Colts.

    The Seahawks were more than just a third-down, red zone nightmare that day. Seattle should have won by 20 points, at least. Wilson could have played better. But this is a road game, against a playoff team. Against the gold, the future, the chosen one. And Wilson not only kept Seattle in the game, but the Seahawks led throughout.

    Wilson could have played better. Wilson threw for 210 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, and rushed for a career-high 102 yards. Wilson could have played better. Especially on defense.

    An 80-yard drive that eats up almost half of the fourth quarter. A loss. Wilson didn’t have it all that day. 312 total yards, two touchdowns, on the road. Wilson didn’t have it all that day. In the battle of the 2012 draft picks that were a world apart and a multiverse together, Luck struck first and struck hard.”

  21. Its just a guess, but I think Marshawn’s ankle problem was really contract-itis

  22. mocarob says:

    No more Yanky my Wanky. The Donger need food.

    Glad to have Lynch back.
    Dave, Do a story about how Duke is a better poster than Yank.
    Jaws thinks Yank could be the best ever..

  23. yankinta says:

    lol,, your Duke said that Jordan Hill is a 1-Tech DT… when in reality Jordan Hill is a 3-Tech DT all through out College and was drafted to be our 3-Tech DT. And JS/PC also said that we drafted Jordan Hill in the 3rd round (a little too soon) because at that point in the draft, the drop off at 3-Tech DT after Jordan Hill was quite big and they didn’t want to take that risk, since they need 3-Tech DT…. So in Conclusion,, Jordan Hill has and always will be 3-Tech DT. smh…

  24. Dukeshire says:

    yank – Carroll moved Hill to NT and Williams to 3, last camp. That is a fact.

  25. Dave Boling says:

    mocarob: You know I can’t pick between the posters, just as you can’t have a favored child … you love them all the same!

    blocis: Yes, agree with your diagnosis of contract-itis. I think during the minicamp I called it an “ankle” injury (in quotes). Never know, though.

    OrrObb: Yes … go Cards! Sorry to see Hawks lose Breno … used to have good conversations among alums.

  26. Next man up

  27. yankinta says:

    Duke,, yes, Carroll will ask all of the D-Line to play multiple positions. That is his philosophy… Doesn’t mean, Hill can’t or will not play 3-Tech. Now that is also a Fact. :)

  28. ChrisHolmes says:

    With Bates coming on, I can see the team putting Norwood on IR and giving him a year to get right. But that’s tough if it happens, because from everything I’ve read, the kid is a complete receiver and would make a solid contribution even as a rookie. Shame if he can’t get the foot right.

    Great seeing you post Dave. Really appreciate the information you provide, but even more, the passion you display for the game and this team. It clearly comes across in your writing.

  29. ChrisHolmes says:

    Someone please tell me how a future even that has not happened yet can be a ‘fact’?

    Sorry… rhetorical.


    This is awesome! Lots of GIFS of Lynch being Lynch…pretty funny stuff!

    (This is really GeorgiaHawk, Ive hacked STTBM’s handle….just kidding lol!)

  31. mocarob says:

    Duke, Sorry to drag you into my pun.. I had too much caffeine in me and no food.. Wasn’t thinking straight.

  32. And Im sure someone else posted this earlier, but I just read it and its a pretty cool article on Greg Scruggs. Ive liked Scruggs since he first showed spunk in preseason his rookie year. Im looking forward to watching him even more, now that I know he’s really a good guy.

  33. montanamike2 says:

    mocarob i loved the Yank vs Duke comment, very funny.

  34. yankinta says:

    montanamike2,, I know, I liked it too… it’s like RW vs Andrew Luck, all over again… lol. We all know who is the underdog in those matchups… comparing perception versus reality is fun. :)

  35. Dave, I know you guys are busting butt trying to cover the blog here along with your regular duties. But that said, I think it would be pretty cool to hear something about the “bottom 30″ if you can squeeze it in.

    We all have a pretty good idea about the players most likely to make the final 53 man roster and practice squad. But with rosters sitting at 90, can you share any surprises or insight about some of those unknown guys? Anyone jumping out at you or anyone that has made the coaches do a double-take?


  36. Since my opinion is held in such high esteem by the blogging community (*snark), Im offering my opinion on unheralded break-out players for this year:

    On offense, I was going to go with Norwood, but his foot injury has me more than worried. Carpenter was a first round pick, so he doesn’t count. Im going with Georgia’s ManCrush, Phil Bates.

    On defense, there are a multitude of guys I think will do well and surprise some people. My top pick is Benson Mayowa.

    I think Scruggs will be right up there too. Shead in the secondary, and Jeron Johnson, who may end up playing if Chancellor has any lingering issues with his surgery.

  37. I’ve been secretly rooting for Helfet for years. Always too late to the dance but the guy has shown some good moves. This may be his chance to hit the dance floor. Work your butt off, Cooper.

    I also think Scruggs is a pretty cool dude. Has the passion and the work ethic to get after it day in and day out. Did you see the Tony Ventrella 2-minute drill interview he did the other day? Really hoping he not only makes the roster but is the break out defensive lineman of the year for us.

  38. rynehawk says:

    Wow, Dave. Louisville is where my home is. Sometimes I feel like the only Seahawks fan around. Nice to know I’m not the only one :)

  39. Dukeshire says:

    yankinta – Aside from Mebane, of course (second time it has been necessary to point out to you). And too, when we’re talking defensive positioning, everything is based off of base sets. That is simple common knowledge.

    mocarob – No worries. lol

  40. My 1st and 2nd favorite quote of the day: psychology teaches us that an Exhibitionist Narcissist sees themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as “magical thinking” to hide their nonexistent self esteem. They pretend to be more than they really are, bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements, and claiming to be an expert at many things (95% right about everything). They exhibit an obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges. They would be described as having inflated, grandiose self perception with little or no conscious of the emptiness within. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value and are trying to reestablish their self esteem through self reinforcement.

    Hmmm. Sound like anyone we might know?

  41. yankinta says:

    Dude or Duke,, you forget the original point, too easily…. I was talking about since Jesse Williams got hurt, Jordan Hills will get more opportunities to earn more playing time.

    And you said Jesse and Jordan do not play the same positions…therefore there will be no effect…. and of course I disagreed….now I have proven my point over and over again,, yet you’re still not conceding.. smh..

  42. Perfect. Point proven.

  43. MoSeahawk12 says:

    When does school start back up?

  44. MoSeahawk12 says:

    It’s Jordan Hill.

  45. yankinta says:

    DFloydd,, “A lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of a sheep” :)

  46. I won’t call names but I will condescend, demean and make up facts – and never respond when I am proven wrong. . . .

  47. FivePercentWrong says:

    DFloydd, priceless posts.

    Sorry folks, I am about to feed the beast here. But, my curiosity has got the best of me.

    Yank, where ever have you learned that double commas have any place or meaning in English grammar? I get the never-ending periods for “dramatic pauses”. But repeated commas?

  48. Southendzone says:

    Damn guys, it’s been a week-long yank-a-thon for you all. Can’t we follow Hamas & Israel’s lead and call a cease fire?

  49. DFloydd says:

    If people would quit giving him the time of day I’d quit pointing out his condescending worm like ways when he acts like a complete tool just because someone disagrees. But request for cease fire noted and taken in consideration for the other fellow bloggers. My apologies. (See, I can admit fault when I’m wrong) have a great weekend.

  50. Dukeshire says:

    yankinta – This is exactly how I feel about your last post directed toward me:

  51. DFloydd says:

    Bahahahaha! Nice one Dude, er, I mean Duke.

  52. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Everyone is dumber for having listened to it. Classic!!
    Sums it up about as well as you can.
    Nice Duke.

  53. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Richard Sherman would like you to stop using his quotes on this blog yank. They are for the over twenty crowd and not teenagers.

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