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Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on July 25, 2014 at 10:10 am with 29 Comments »
July 25, 2014 10:18 am

Good morning from training camp.

Buses are bringing in fans, the parking lot is full and the sun is out. Football is upon us.

First, general manager John Schneider was just on the air with 710 ESPN. A couple highlights:



Pro Football Talk reported last night that Marshawn Lynch and the Seahawks have been talking contract for about four months.

If Lynch doesn’t attend camp, he will incur fines of $30,000 per day, plus a partial forfeiture of his $6 million signing bonus if he holds out five days or more.

Moving on.

Our Dave Boling made a statement in today’s column: The Seahawks can do it again. From Boling:

In the moments after the final exhibition game of 2013, when the eager Seahawks pawed and stamped on the threshold of the greatest season in franchise history, coach Pete Carroll gave them a brief but important message.

It’s all there for you, he said.

He didn’t need to say more.

Everybody in that room knew exactly what he meant: The pieces were in place to accomplish everything the National Football League had to offer, and whether they ended up holding the Lombardi Trophy in February would be decided by their own efforts and determination.

As the 2014 Seahawks open training camp with greater expectations than ever, it’s still “all there” for them.

I also wrote about the Seahawks starting their defense here at camp.

Out here, I’m interested in several things, but here are a few notable ones:

SS Kam Chancellor
After offseason hip surgery, Chancellor’s availability for camp is in question. Head coach Pete Carroll said Chancellor should be ready to go at the start of camp. There is a huge dropoff from Chancellor to his only backup, Jeron Johnson. Johnson missed half of last season because of hamstring problems. The Seahawks desperately need a healthy Chancellor.DE Cassius Marsh
The rookie out of UCLA didn’t participate much in offseason activities because he had to wait for school to end. But, Carroll continues to talk him up and the times he did play, his high motor was noticeable. The fourth-rounder will have to make the adjustment to playing against NFL talent in pads during camp.

CB Tharold Simon
Simon made spectacular plays during OTAs and minicamp. His issue is not talent. It’s opportunity. The only spot Simon could challenge for belongs to Byron Maxwell. At 6-foot-3, he’s the Seahawks’ biggest cornerback and could be a more athletic version of Brandon Browner. Maxwell has more experience after replacing Browner last season when Simon was hurt. This could turn into an unexpected camp battle.

LB Korey Toomer
Remember Carroll calling Toomer the hottest guy at minicamp? I’m anxious to see if there is a carryover there. It’s one thing to have a hot start, another to maintain.

Of course, we’ll also be keeping an eye on the other guys coming off surgeries, like Russell Okung and Malcolm Smith.

A final note: the Seahawks are up to 90 players on the roster after adding guard C.J. Davis and wide receiver David Gilreath.

Time for practice. We’ll be back throughout the day with updates.

 

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  1. yankinta says:

    A Question to those that may know this. If Lynch end out holding out for the first 8 games,, do we get to keep that half of his Cap number and carry it over to 2015???

  2. HawkFromDay1 says:

    That’s a really interesting question. I mean if you didn’t pay it to the guy it isn’t salary, so how could it be included in the salary cap? And if its empty salary cap space, it should carry over.

    Maybe you only deduct game checks from the amount – the guaranteed money is guaranteed (except the part that we’d contractually recoop).

    Interesting…

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Todd.

  4. FleaFlicker says:

    The drought is over. Real football news until February.

  5. Dukeshire says:

    I would say there is a “huge” drop off from Chancellor to Johnson, health aside. Johnson is a worst serviceable with potential to be more than that. Kam is one of the best SS in the league, no mistaking that, but Johnson has played well in his limited opportunities.

  6. sluggo42 says:

    Bring it

  7. Carlsonkid says:

    Going to camp this Sunday , can’t wait ! Finally football again : )

  8. sluggo42 says:

    I think they bring the known commodities along slowly, no need to rush them, plus it allows the rooks/back-ups to get reps. Nothing worse than getting a bad injury to an established starter during training camp

  9. wazzulander says:

    Yeah Duke, I’ve always been curious about JJ. He doesn’t seem to have a singular jaw dropping quality like speed or strength, but the staff obviously likes him a lot. You can see that by how they stuck with him through the injuries and tagged him this off-season. Two years ago I think they had some sort of “big nickel” type of package they liked to use him in.

  10. This probably sounds crazy but if (God forbid) Kam were to go down I think it’s possible to see Irvin in there. If I recall correctly he used to play safety in either high school or part of college. We know he has plenty of speed, he has the ability to cover…how good is unknown…but depending on whether he’s gained weight to move back to the DE spot, he could be a viable option. My biggest concern would be his aggressiveness though. He’s never struck me a the kind of guy that likes contact, whereas Kam…well we all know what he likes to do. :)

  11. jawpeace says:

    I can see the fines collected from Lynch will not be added to the cap. But signing bonus’s are always counted against the cap so it would make sense that if he does indeed hold out for more than five days and he has to forfeit some of his bonus than it should be added back into the cap. And if he holds out into the season then his game checks should be added back into the cap.

    That would make logical sense but the NFL does not always make sense. Like suspending someone 4 games for an over the counter drug like adderal. Or weed smoking suspended for 4 games or the entire season depends on what offense. While someone who knocks a woman unconscious only 2 games. Or a certain 49er who repeatedly commits felonies and gets practically just a little slap on the wrist. So what the NFL does with salary that is not paid because of hold out is a good guess.

  12. Dukeshire says:

    My post should have read, there *isn’t* a huge…

  13. yankinta says:

    so far no one knows….how about you Todd? Do you know?? :)

  14. jawpeace says:

    Some type of warning says, do not wake up a sleeping dog or something like that. Well I think I am about to do that….

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11254273/andrew-luck-no-1-ranking-top-25-players-25-nfl?refresh=true

  15. SandpointHawk says:

    Ah man….Let sleeping dogs lie.

  16. RDPoulsbo says:

    Whether it’s a failure to show up for camp or an illegal hit, fines do not effect the salary cap. If a player is unavailable via things like suspensions or a holdout, the team does get that portion back in cap credits.

    My guess is this is Lynch’s last year as a Seahawk and he knows it, so he’s looking to get as much money walking out the door as he can get. I’ve never had much patience for players who hold out while under a contract they agreed to sign. He’s getting $7 mil this year when you include prorated bonuses and he’s not going to get more this or next year from another team. If he didn’t like that kind of pay, he should never have signed his contract in the first place.

  17. HawkyHann says:

    Bruce Irvin as safety, that’s comical. I’m truly hoping they trade him now for anything.

  18. For those saying he should honor his contract, what will you be saying next off season when the Seahawks tell Marshawn to come in and renegotiate his contract or get cut? That’s exactly what’s going to happen you know. That’s why they have those non guaranteed last years in those contracts. If you don’t believe it ask Lofa Totupu, Marcus Trufant, and Zach Miller about it. Not saying that it’s necessarly wrong, the NFL’s a tough business. But Marshawn sees it coming too and is hoping he can do something about it now before it happens. Otherwise he’ll be heading down the road with nothing next year. If you could consider $24 out of his $30 million nothing.

  19. RDPoulsbo says:

    Whenever you have a Probowl caliber player, it has to be expected that there will be a big dropoff in talent from his backup. That doesn’t mean JJ is a scrub by any means, just that they’d need to change up the defense a little if Kam isn’t available. There’s still over a month to go for Kam to be ready for a game, so I’m not going to worry too much about him at this point. If he misses a week of TC, then so be it. The priority for the starters right now should be health.

  20. RDPoulsbo says:

    rlc, That’s exactly what’s going to happen, and per the rules of the CBA, that too is a contract the league signed with the NFLPA so I have no issue with it.

    That’s why players negotiate guarantees in bonuses and salary. The cap rules can work for and against both a player and team and that’s how they both work the system when contracts are negotiated in the first place.

  21. I don’t have an issue with it either. But I do have some sympathy from where Marshawn is coming from too. It is a great tool to for teams to have a way to get thenselves out of contracts with aging players or those with deteriating skills. So they’re not stuck with Chone Figgins type deals that drag on forever. I’m not going to feel hard line against Marchawn or against the Seahawks on this. Like you said its just the way of doing business in the NFL.

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    If Lynch keeps playing like he has been playing & he gets cut after this season there is no doubt in my mind that he will get a very nice one or two year contract from another team.

    And that would make Yank even more happy because Lynch would almost certainly get us a 3rd round comp pick.

    So would Maxwell, Smith & Wright but I hope the FO can find a way to at least keep two of them.

    Especially with Sweezy’s new 50 million contract coming up soon.

  23. jawpeace says:

    Georgia if we cut Lynch the Hawks do not get a comp pick.
    LOL Sweezy’s 50 million now that is funny.

  24. Southendzone says:

    However, an ok deal for both sides is this:

    Tear up contract
    new 1 yr deal with a bit more 2014 $

    UFA after this yr, so comp pick in play. Im not 100% on this cause there might be an exclusion for 1 yr deals on comp picks.

    They could subsitute a player opt out clause for 2015 and push his ’15 roster bonus to this season. That should preserve comp pick and make Shawn happy too

  25. PC and JS have flat out said Johnson is a starter for most teams. They love him as a backup. He has played little, and showed some rust and jitters, but if we had to roll with him as the starter for awhile, they are confident he can do the job well. They have a higher opinion of him than many people here seem to.

    Remember, they tendered him pretty high. They then re-negotiated, but the point was clear; they feared losing him to poaching, and want him to stay.

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Jawpeace.
    All the more reason to keep Lynch through his contract.

  27. freedom_X says:

    Lynch really doesn’t have that much leverage. The only thing he can do is not play, and if he doesn’t play, he doesn’t get paid. That can work out if he’s looking forward to a big payday in his next contract (ala Joey Galloway.)

    But it’s highly unlikely any other team in the league is going to pay Lynch more than what’s he’s getting paid now. In fact, who is going to even pay him the base salary, not counting pro-rated bonus (looking at the teams with cap space and a need at RB?)

    I believe it’s been explained here in the past that if his contract is “torn up”, the remaining signing bonus is accelerated into the current year. I believe Seattle is trying to carry over surplus cap space into next year to help pay for Russell Wilson. So they will not want to use up any of this year’s cap space if they can help it, because they’ll use it to help offset Wilson next year.

  28. Macabrevity says:

    @Jawpeace

    I’m as disheartened by the Ray Rice suspension as anyone. I’m at a loss for words when I think about the disparity between his suspension and punishments handed out for ridiculous things like tattoos, cell phones, ‘other-brand’ clothing or even pot. Honestly, I would’ve considered a year suspension too short but at least a statement. Two games is also a statement, as in “we don’t really give a flying f*ck about women”

    My love of the Hawks is just enough to outweigh my disgust for the way the league is being run, and with another owner and poor management I could easily turn my back on pro football.

  29. Ray_Maines says:

    Some poor assistant coach in Minn, got a three game suspension for “insensitive remarks” to Kris Kluwe. Did that coach do 1.5 times as much damage to Kluwe’s ego as Ray Rice did to his wife’s jaw?

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