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Seahawks receiver Sidney Rice to retire

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on July 23, 2014 at 1:09 pm with 87 Comments »
July 23, 2014 1:58 pm
Sidney Rice says he valued his time with the Seahawks. / AP photo
Sidney Rice says he valued his time with the Seahawks. / AP photo

Sidney Rice is retiring.

Pro Football Talk first reported Rice’s retirement.

“After careful consideration and seven wonderful years playing in the National Football League, including the last three for the Seattle Seahawks, I have decided to retire from playing in the National Football League,” Rice said in a statement. “I have enjoyed my experiences with all of my coaches, teammates and passionate Seahawks fans. I take great pride in knowing I was one of the players signed to help build the foundation of the team that ultimately won the Super Bowl. I’ll be joining the 12s in support of the Seattle Seahawks as they take on the challenge to repeat. I appreciate all of the wonderful opportunities and look forward to establishing myself as a businessman. I will always be a Seahawk!”

Rice, who battled a series of injuries (knee, shoulder, concussions) missed a big chunk of last season after tearing his ACL. Rice, who played in eight games last year but missed all of the playoffs, had 15 catches for 231 yards in 2013. After the season, he was cut but later re-signed.

In three season with Seattle, Rice missed 15 games. He was the team’s leading receiver in 2012 with 50 catches for 748 yards and seven touchdowns.

Rice’s retirement cuts down on the logjam of options at wide receiver. The Seahawks will likely carry six receivers, and Rice was expected to compete for one of the final spots — assuming his post-surgery knee allowed him to. Rice’s retirement may open a spot for Chris Matthews, signed out of the CFL in the offseason, and give rookie Kevin Noorwod, who excelled in OTAs and minicamp, a solid spot in the receiver rotation.

Percy Harvin, Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Paul Richardson appear locks for four spots. That leaves Matthews, Norwood, Ricardo Lockette, Bryan Walters and Phil Bates fighting for the final two. Taylor Price, Arceto Clark and Kevin Smith are longshots to make the team.

Rice’s departure also means another veteran voice will leave the Seahawks’ lockerroom. He was a leader in the receivers’ meetings, and someone leaned on by other receivers even after being hurt.

“Some of those guys look up to me and they express it often,” Rice told the News Tribune over the summer. “They look to me for guidance. I’ve been in this system for seven years. Certain things that they might not understand, I might have a better understanding of. I was still part of the team. Any way I could help them to keep progressing and help them get to the point they got to and win the Super Bowl, I was all for it. I didn’t want to let them down in any sense.”

Rice was originally drafted in the second round (44th overall) in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Minnesota Vikings and played four seasons in Minnesota with 26 starts in 48 games played. He totaled 146 receptions for 2,129 yards and 18 touchdowns with the Vikings and was voted to the Pro Bowl after the 2009 season, when he recorded career-highs in receptions (83), yards (1,312) and touchdowns (8).

He signed with the Seahawks as an unrestricted free agent on July 29, 2011, and started 31 of 33 games played. Rice started all 16 games for the first time in his career totaling 50 receptions for 748 yards and seven touchdowns in 2012. His 2013 season was cut short after eight games after suffering a knee injury at St. Louis (10/28/13). He recorded 15 receptions for 231 yards and three touchdowns during Seattle’s Super Bowl-winning season.

Rice also completed four of seven career pass attempts for 174 yards and tied an NFL record with three receiving touchdowns in the NFC Divisional Playoff Game vs. Dallas (1/17/10).

He recorded 243 receptions for 3,592 yards and 30 touchdowns in his career in 81 games played with 57 starts.

 

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  1. cseahawk says:

    Thank you Sidney for all the effort and sweat for the Seahawks.GGoodluck!

  2. Ewalters7354 says:

    Who cares if he’s tied up? All he was gonna do is post a stupid Twitter post from Espn or somebody else.

    I kid I kid lol

  3. I really wish SR well. He never complained, always worked hard, was the perfect professional, and gave it everything he had. It’s a bummer that his concussion history has ended a great career. I hope he is able to continue with the team in some other capacity if he chooses.

  4. Wow. Sad news, but it makes it all the more certain that Richardson and Norwood make the team. Now another WR may have a chance…

    Walters, Clark, Lockette, and the newbies Matthews and whatshisname the Pats drafted….

    Very sad end to a very disappointing career for Rice. Came out of college young, had one fine year, then only one decent one after that in a six-year career…

    I have nothing bad to say about Rice the person or Rice the teammate; he was a consummate professional. But his Seahawks career was such a disappointment that he will go down as one of our biggest Free Agent debacles. Worse than Housh because he was paid so much, just as bad as Deion Branch….

  5. Dukeshire says:

    Did not see that coming. Wow.

  6. Dukeshire says:

    Injuries held him back. Other than that, he balled out. And he was definitely a locker room leader for that unit.

  7. FivePercentWrong says:

    Thanks, Sid! Enjoy the next phase of your life.

  8. MoSeahawk12 says:

    He said he plans to stay in the area and be a part of the team, “help those guys as much as possible, and prepare for their future as much as I can.”
    “I’ll be around as much as possible in the locker room with those guys.”

  9. Concussions?! Not the knee?!

    I still think if he’d cut his dreads, his helmet would have fit better and he wouldnt have had so many concussions. I think Polamolu had the same problem. I also know I got a concussion in HS from banging facemasks with another kid on the sideline because my helmet was too loose…Seriously, hows that for a wuss-tastic injury?!

    I had a much worse concussion playing tackle football in the park with my friends in Spokane as a teenager. I sometimes wonder what a brain scan would show…

  10. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I wouldn’t put Rice in the same category as Housh. Rice played hard, mentored the young guys and never had the diva attitude the Housmansada had. Plus Sid actually helped us win games unlike TJ.
    TJ was a me first player that actually thought he was as good as the top guys at the time. He was crap without his knucklehead buddy across from him and played here one season? Nothing to compare.

  11. Southendzone says:

    Not worse than Housh, I have actual memories of great plays by Rice. Would have loved more but SR really got hit hard a lot of times. Housh played for us 1 season after a big contract & got released for performance.

    If you read this Seahawks.com article you see SR is opening a new Wingstop in Renton Landing in a few weeks. I might have to go check it out

    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Sidney-Rice-announces-his-retirement-from-the-NFL/1c382247-dfda-4d44-8283-dcd2666b8bab

  12. SaigonSun says:

    Good luck SR and thanks for the memories.

  13. Mo–As far as pay-for-play goes, Rice robbed us far more than Housh. I wasnt comparing Housh the person or Housh the teammate to Rice the person/teammate; just player/production.

    Housh was a disaster. He had lost his speed by the time he came here, and we stuck him in the slot, which flat didnt work. And he was a diva, you are 100% right about that.

    Both were paid on expected production and overall performance, both were highly paid and produced little. Rice was a disappointment even in his best season, when he was healthy. He just wasnt what we thought we were getting, and we overpaid terribly for him.

    I do wish the guy well. Its got to suck having to retire so young…

  14. FivePercentWrong says:

    Housh would not have made that TD that knocked Rice out in Chicago. Rice was a worker and deserves to wear that ring.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “I sometimes wonder what a brain scan would show.”

    Boy, you opened yourself up for that one STTBM. Lol.

    I talked to a friend the other day who is 74 and he said that he went in for a brain scan.

    I asked him why? He said “why what?”

    I swear, true story.

  16. Ray_Maines says:

    So much for my theory that Rice would start the year on PUP and replace whichever other receiver didn’t workout. Now I’m down to 91%.

    I try to only cheer for the laundry, but really nice people like Sidney Rice make it hard.

  17. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I wouldn’t use the term robbed us as he didn’t intentionally get hurt on the job. He played, made some great catches, was hurt in games and certainly didn’t reach his long term potential with us. He gave what he had on the field and in the locker room. He didn’t rob the team of anything. He signed the contract he was offered and did what he could before having to bow out due to injury. The team though so much of him they resigned him after cutting him end of last season. That would not be the case if he robbed us.

    If you want to use the term robbed then be my guest with these two. Branch came over and basically stole money after being SB MVP. Housh robbed us the most.
    Rice did more to assist our young receiver group than those other clowns.

  18. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Robbed is what people do when they intentionally perform job tasks at the bare minimum. Doing just enough to stay employed and draw a pay check. Rice is not in that category. You are correct that he wasn’t able to live up to the value of the contract, but saying he robbed us is incorrect. I strongly believe you will not find one player in that locker room that doesn’t respect and admire that guy. Guys that coast and collect big pay days don’t often receive that.

  19. wazzulander says:

    Thanks and good luck/health to Sidney. Nice to hear he’ll be around to coach up the young WRs.

    I don’t think there are many Hawk fans other than STTBM who would say Rice is a disappointment on the level of Branch/Housh. But at least he is being consistent because I don’t think he’s made a single post about any of our receivers in the last year without finding a way to take a backhanded shot at Rice.

  20. Southendzone says:

    haha love it. If only Sidney Rice had STTBM’s barber, he would have never gotten a concussion and probably been coming off his 3rd straight NFL MVP season.

    CURSE YOU DREADLOCKS, YOU ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!

  21. trout_hound says:

    Rice is a gamer that played his heart out and sacrificed his body for Seattle. Yeah, he was paid well, and was injured a fair bit, but I for one think he earned his money. He got injured playing hard. Now I bet he took a hard look at his much reduced salary for this upcoming season, his banged up knees and concussion rattled brain, and decided it just wasn’t worth the risk for the new contract. Can’t really blame him. Hope he does well in business and finds a way to keep mentoring our young receivers. Thanks for helping Seattle get a Lombardi, Sydney. Now who is going to step up? My guess is Norwood takes his spot.

  22. Ray_Maines says:

    My guess would be Chris Matthews

  23. Georgia–I figured I’d get some flak for my comment…lol! Funny story. Ive been telling my Grandparents (only one left now) that I suffer from CRS….Now I dont recall what that stands for Lol!

    Mo–He gave us his best, but even at his best he never came close to performing at a level close to his compensation. At least we didnt trade a pick for him.

    Deion Branch gave what he had too–he just wasnt anywhere near the player that idiot Ruskell thought he was. How is Branch a guy who robbed us but Rice isnt?! That makes no sense. Of the two, Branch was the better player by far, when healthy.

    In 2007, Branch racked up two hundred yard games in a three game span, his lone game without being a 77 yarder. He had 20 catches for 329 yards. Then he got hurt vs Pittsburgh. When he came back, he wasnt as good, but he still had games with 5-8 catches, 3 in a 5 game stretch. Rice had similar numbers, but only ever managed one hundred-yard game per year. He often disappeared in games, even when healthy.

    Rice had a far better attitude than Branch, but their production was very similar. Of the two, I’d take Branch; I think he would have been a more productive player just about anywhere else. Rice may have also done better elsewhere, but I dont feel he was better than Branch.

    Branch took the money and underperformed. Rice did the same. I see little difference. Both robbed the team blind. I didnt see either handing money back after two disappointing, injury-riddled seasons in a row. Rice re-signed with us, then decided he coudlnt take the beating for that money. Branch, who wasnt being used at all, left.

    Other than attitude, I see no difference, as I said.

    If we needed/wanted a better WR coach than we have, we should hire one. You dont pay a WR 8 million a year to get 700 and below 500 yards in his best seasons for you just because he helps coach your other WR’s.

    I like Rice the person and teammate, but he robbed us blind just like Branch. Housh wasnt as bad a thief-job because he only got paid for one year (and his stats were better than any Rice or Branch put up) plus part of another. Both Branch and Rice got paid top-end money for YEARS, with little return. Thats why I use the term robbed.

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Bate’s!!!

  25. RDPoulsbo says:

    Yes, his production wasn’t up to what was expected, especially with a run-first offense installed, he did help mentor a very young WR group to become professionals. For that, you have to respect his contributions to the team.

  26. South–Go ahead, laugh, but getting a helmet to fit tight to your skull matters. Thick hair that traps air in it makes a helmet not fit right, and can contribute to concussions. Just look at a couple Syd got; he fell on his forehead WITHOUT BEING HIT BY A DEFENDER, and got a concussion. Pathetic!

    I think he just decided his low pay wasnt worth the grind of trying to make such a competitive roster on those gimpy knees, and with the concussion history it was a no-brainer for him.

    You dont pay a guy 8 million a year to get 480 yards and 700 yards in his best season. You pay for performance, if not stats. Even ignoring stats, Rice was rarely if ever a game-changer, a guy you could count on to make a needed play. He made a few, but he wasnt consistently great, and thats what level we paid him at.

  27. Im gonna say Norwood makes the team, and one other. Perhaps Lockette makes it since he’s turned into a stud gunner on ST’s; perhaps Matthews or the other new guy makes it–Taylor Price.

    I think Arceto Clark can play, but he’s small like Walters and we dont need another slot guy, since Kearse, Baldwin and Harvin all play the slot well.

    Clark and Walters will have to be head and shoulders above Matthews and Price to beat them out.

    Bates is still learning to play the position, and he’s running out of time. Whether he makes it or turns out to be another Jordan Kent remains to be seen…

    Which is why I love preseason! Position battles!

  28. montanamike2 says:

    I wish SR well in the future and believe he deserves that ring, that hit he took to win the Bears game was devastating. His knees are shot as well, time to hang it up. I’m glad we didn’t have to tell him that he didn’t make the team, i’m also glad to free up a spot for another up and comer. He wants to stay in the area and retire as a Hawk, i’m more than cool with that. He’s a team guy and bought in, he may have similar stats but it’s unfair to compare him to the self centered Doushmanzatta.

  29. Wazzu–Branch and Rice had nearly identical numbers for two years; of the two, Rice was paid the most. How is it that Rice is considered less of a disappointment? Thats not logical.

  30. Thanks sid. Goodluck in your new life

  31. MontanaMike2–Again, I wasnt comparing Rice the person to Housh the Douche the person; player/performance to player/performance, Housh outplayed Rice, though you can make the argument that Housh’s best games came in garbage time when we were being blown out.

    The problem I have with Rice is that he was paid so much, yet performed like a pedestrian player for the most part, even when healthy. Two sideline tip-toe catches for first downs a game doesnt equal 8 million bucks in pay to me!

  32. montanamike2 says:

    It’s cool Slave, i know what you meant.

  33. MIke–Cool Beans!

    Since I responded to everyone who responded to me, Im gonna cool it on the topic. I dont expect to change anyone’s mind, just so long as my reasoning is clear.

    Rice may decide next year he wants to play, see if he can get a better offer. Wouldnt surprise me one bit–he’ll miss the rush of football. If he can walk away healthy, and enjoy being a businessman, he will be a major success story, and I wish him well in that endeavor.

  34. Southendzone says:

    Yeah, you’re probably right about the hair/helmet.

    I bet Bo Jackson would have never dislocated his hip if he shaved his legs also.

  35. brucetir says:

    John Schneider (and probably Pete Carroll) in response to Rice’s announcement said: “The entire organization would like to thank Sidney for his leadership over the past three seasons. His time as a Seahawks player displayed the core values that (coach Pete Carroll) and I aimed to bring to the program and Sidney is a true champion. We wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors.” If one states that SR robbed the Seahawks, then one also is forced to conclude that Schneider and Carroll are complete morons…why would anyone make a statement about a person who violated your company?

  36. wazzulander says:

    STTBM – I was talking about fan perception and your comment of his trade being so disappointing and a debacle. Granted, its probably in large part to the SB win and everyone being on cloud 9, but I haven’t picked up near the level of frustration from fans with Rice as I remember with Branch/Housh.

    And certainly some of us saw something completely different watching Rice play than you did. You’ve mentioned he dropped a lot of balls and wasn’t clutch but I saw neither of those things, in fact, I would have argued the complete opposite. That said, he was probably on the fringe this year with all the talent at the position. It will be fun to see how that position battle shakes out.

  37. montanamike2 says:

    I think when Branch was here we were more of a passing team, Rice got limited opportunities in our run oriented offense, either way his shelf life has expired and i’m stoked we get to keep one more WR. Slave you’re right in regards to too much money vs production. The way these guys draft we’re better off in the long run, 4 years on the cheap or even 3 is way more value.

  38. montanamike2 says:

    We had to overpay for Rice to come here so others would follow, much like the Mariners and Cano,(except for a whopping 1/4 billion dollars!). When Lynch arrived the turnaround began.

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Rice was nice but Harvin is starvin.

    Tate was late but he turned out great although that’s up for debate, but now they closed the gate & it’s up to Bates.

    Baldwin is all win, kearse is a followin him.
    And Lockette’s a rocket who’s got one hand in his pocket & the other in a socket.

    Now Wilson is set with Richardson the jet & Norwood is good so the Seahawks should be better this season cause Sweezy’s the reason.

  40. Wazzu–Rice didnt drop a lot of balls, but he did drop balls when hit hard. Now, I saw the Chicago game winner too, and it was awesome, but it wasnt typical of Rice’s play.

    If there isnt the same level of disgust for the pay/performance of Rice vs Housh and especially Branch, there should be, for reasons I mentioned above–their performance was nearly identical, yet Rice was paid an enormous amount.

    Rice made some clutch plays, but far to few given the opportunities he had. He simply didnt perform like an elite player, even when healthy. A good player, but not an 8 million per year elite player.

    I agree, it should be fun watching the WR’s duke it out for roster spots. And its time to move on from injury-prone vets when you have so many youngsters with promise.

    brucetir–Did you expect them to say bad things?! Did you expect them to say “Despite overpaying drastically for his services, and despite the fact that he never played up to the level we paid him, we wish Rice well”?! Of course not. They arent about to admit they screwed up and over-estimated his ability. Nor are they EVER going to say bad things upon a players retirement–even the Bengals arent that lousy.

    Plus, as everyone agrees, Rice was a great guy and the perfect teammate. Thats worth something. Not 8 million a year, but something…

    MontanaMike–Yes, just like we had to overpay to get Miller away from Davis and the Raiders because he knew our system on the line, we needed Rice badly since he knew our offense, so we overpaid for him. I also think Bevell and PC and JS overestimated Rice’s potential. Add to that the hip injury that robbed him of speed, and the concussions and knee problems, and you have what we ended up with; a near-bust FA signing.

    There will be no more overpaying for underachievers now that PC has won it all and everyone wants to play for him.

  41. Georgia–LOL!

  42. montanamike2 says:

    Miller is an excellent example. We had to do drastic measures to turn this team around.

  43. The battles will be intense at WR as there are really 3 slots (assuming Harvin Baldwin and Kearse are kept) that are being ‘competed for’, yet reality is that if Norwood and Richardson show anything it really is for the possibility of only one spot if the team decides to keep 6 WRs. That’s said b/c I find it hard to believe that either of the recently drafted Norwood or Richardson would not be kept by the team if they perform at all competitively at camp.

    Guys then who have a realistic shot at making the 53 are Lockette, Matthews, Bates, and Walters, with Clark Price and Kevin Smith really fight for a PS squad slot.

    Camp battles will be interesting and staying healthy will be critically important.

  44. Ray_Maines says:

    No player that works and plays as hard as he can is robbing the team. If we think Branch, Housh…, or Rice was overpaid we should be mad at the GM that signed him to the oversize contract and not the player.

  45. Rice was 10x the player Branch or Housh was, and he had deflated numbers due to Hawks rarely throwing the ball under PC compared to MH or JM. Rice also wasn’t a crappy diva unlike Branch (Come Get me celebration) or Douchemanzada. He had a couple game winning TD’s for the Hawks which is more than Housh or Branch have combined. Branch/ Housh were complete A-Holes, and didn’t care about the team. Rice obviously loves this team.

  46. Ray_Maines says:

    I don’t think that Bryan Walters has much of a chance to make the final 53. At 6-0, 190 he just doesn’t have anything to offer that PH, DB, & JK can’t provide. I also don’t think 28 year old Ricardo Lockette has much over 24 year old Phil Bates.

    In my mind Richardson and Norwood are in, and Bates & Chris Matthews are competing for the last position in the rotation.

  47. Southendzone says:

    Raymaines: Exactly! Robbing infers some sort of intentional / willful intent or action to take something you’re not entitled to. Rice signed his contract played as good as he possibly could, was respected & showed leadership by & to his teammates.

    If he was faking injuries, or pulling himself out of games when he was fine, skipping practice, etc.. then you can claim robbery.

    What if the day after he signed his contract & got his signing bonus, he was struck by lightning? Did he “rob” the Hawks out of his signing bonus?… no.

    All you can really say is you believe he underperformed the expectations the Hawks had for him when they gave him the contract, not that he robbed anyone.

  48. sluggo42 says:

    Good choice Syd, go out a winner instead of getting cut.
    Appreciate your all out effort!

  49. RW rookie year robbed SR of much production – he missed him OFTEN

  50. Norwood is no where near a lock – I am not sure he beats out Lockette

    To me: Harvin – Baldwin – Kearse – Richardson – either Norwood or Lockette – small chance they keep both

  51. CDN_C_Hawk says:

    Sounds like a very unselfish decision IMO, allowing the younger guys a chance, since he seemed to know injury history could land him on IR. I think he also showed,your future health trumps all else,

    Thank you for your blood and sweat Sidney and nothing but success for your future.

  52. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Slave, table for one.
    Good to see not one other person uses the term robbed here.

  53. Ray_Maines says:

    I think it’s Norwood easily over Lockette if it comes to that, because he’s 4 years younger and in the first year of his contract. He’s a little lighter but the same height and maybe a better receiver, although not as fast. MHO.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Before Wilson’s rookie year Jackson robbed SR to the tune of 2 tds.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jackson go either.

    In fact I will go out on a limb and say Pryor will be the backup to Wilson this season.

  55. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I wonder what Lynch is thinking about this?

    http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11254502

    Throw him a bone for Pete’s sake.

  56. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Someone forgets that Housh was paid 7 million to go away before year two. Not remotely close in contract value or performance to Rice. At least Branch chased a guy down in a interception return.

  57. Housh was one of the most worthless signings in the history of this franchise.

    I have always liked Rice and wish him a healthy retirement.

  58. MoSeahawk12 says:

    As mentioned previously, the game of football, especially pro football is much more than stats. Really, I’d stick with baseball. There are numerous gears that have to turn on any one play for that play to have even a remote chance for success. This is way beyond HS football. Line play is critical as are receiver location, route precision, defensive position and space, QB recognition. It’s easy to say Rice didn’t have tons of yards and TDs, based only on stats. Stats are black and white and without context, never tell the whole story. If you actually watched the games, you’d see Rice made a positive impact when on the field. This team isn’t about passing stats or receiving stats. They signed Rice with that in mind. To say he robbed the team is pure garbage and is coming from a very misinformed position. How many times was Rice wide open and Wilson flat out didn’t see him? How many times was Rice open and Wilson decided to run and not risk the throw? Often Rice was double covered and guess what that allowed. Doug Baldwin being open and getting lots of balls his way. Tate being open and getting balls his way. Rice drew coverage away from those guys. He came to a run first team and did what was asked of him without acting up or throwing his rookie QB under the bus, even though he could have weekly. The use of the disrespectful term do describe one of the hardest working, un selfish players is typical. Rice was the anti Tate and Baldwin, Kearse and yes even Tate benefited from his time on this team. He was never going to catch fifteen TDs and have 1800 yards receiving. That’s not this team. At least you have zero supporters on this topic.

  59. Ray_Maines says:

    Can we all just pretend there is an EDIT button on this blog? This is what I really meant to post:

    24-19

    That didn’t work out real well did it?

  60. Sidney Rice to raise the flag this season? Get it done Hawks!

  61. jawpeace says:

    Well SR is still going to get 2.5 million from the Hawks this season. That will be a nice final paycheck from the NFL.
    I am guessing that Rice saw the writing on the wall. He knew how his knees/head felt and saw his competition this off-season and knew his chances of making the team were low. Instead of getting cut he went out on his terms. I respect that. I appreciated what he gave to the Hawks. No way did he steal anything. I also don’t think he underperformed- he gave his best. Did he make the expectations that were placed on him? Nope.
    Any way the battle for the 6th spot should be interesting.

  62. MoSeahawk12 says:

    There is also this thing called hidden stats. These are events that happen on every play, yet are not necessarily recorded. This happens many times during the game especially with the Oline. When you look at any player and evaluate that player based only on stats or size of contract, you are unable to accurately evaluate or rate that player. Proper evaluation requires looking at the players size and physical talent, maturity, work ethic, leadership, personality and attitude to name a few. Looking at what that player has done in the past and projecting what that player could do in the future. You compare the players performance stats with his peers. Age, injuries, system all come into play. You take a player like Rice and see the physical talent and the large wingspan. You see he has a very low drop rate in his career. You see a guy that is a mature, professional player that works hard and mixes well in the locker room. Do not under value the locker room. Stats miss this entirely, as do you. A player like Rice is gold there not only to the other receivers, but the DBs, QBs and most definitely coaches.

    Rice was brought to this incredibly young team to provide veteran leadership, even though he was all of twenty four. Pete and John shipped out the problem players, ala Housh and needed a leader to help the young receivers. You had Baldwin as a un drafted rookie receiver and Tate going into year two after a very underwhelming rookie season. You also had a rookie QB throwing passes. Rice was brought in to be a big play guy, but also to show the receivers how to be professional and what it takes. Tate needed this more than Baldwin.

    Rice was signed to a nice contract to provide leadership, talent, professionalism, heart and lead the young guns into a new program. A run first program that he never complained about. He didn’t have crazy video game numbers in yards and TDs, but did his job and made the rest of the team better around him. Not sure what team you watch, but Rice was a key player in the development of Tate, Baldwin and Kearse. He signed a nice contract and unfortunately wasn’t able to display all the stats that would match the dollars of that contract. His value was much greater in the locker and in the receivers room. He most certainly didn’t rob the Seahawks of anything. Unlike the time you have robbed from me.

  63. Yeah, Slave I think your passion is misplaced when it comes to Rice. He didn’t rob anyone and played his ass off when he could. I don’t fault players who are limited injuries they can’t control. For goodness sales the guy got knocked the f*** out and won us the game. That alone gives him my all time respect. Just because he didn’t get the chance (through no fault of his own as he didn’t make those injuries happen to himself nor did he play possum to get the big pay day). In my opinion you are wrong, out of line and owe Sidney an apology (in theory) for your comments regarding him. I enjoy your passion but it literally pisses me off when arm chair fans feel it’s ok to rip on any player that doesn’t play at a hall of fame level for 12+ years in order to earn a fan’s respect and admiration. These are fellow human beings who through no fault of their own didn’t live up to the unrealistic expectations of fans who expect every single player who is paid a big salary to be the next Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Etc. Not everyone is going to play up to your expectations. Waaah waaah waaah. He didn’t earn his money in your mind. Big deal. It’s not your money and we won the super bowl with his help directly or indirectly
    Jesus you have high and unrealistic expectations for every player and I find it offensive as a fan. Can’t you just enjoy it? Jesus Christ. Calling out every single player who isn’t superhuman and hall of fame caliber is asinine.

  64. Southendzone says:

    Jaw, how is sid getting 2.5m this season?

  65. MoSeahawk12 says:

    The last line was said tongue and cheek, but of course that is less than obvious online.

  66. Ray_Maines says:

    Thirty Six hours! 36 x 60 = 2160 minutes. In a meire 15,600 seconds we won’t care if RW is a thief, if Sidney Rice is gay, or pretty much anything else. Game on.

    My prediction for training camp 2014 is that Jeremy Lane WON’T take a cheap shot at a receiver.

  67. Ray_Maines says:

    I’m serious. 4-0 in the preseason and 19-0 when it counts. Go ‘Hawks

  68. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I like it. They only lost three games all last season by a combined 15 points. These guys are what I’d call damn good. Superbowl Champs and stuff!

  69. On the other hand, we easily could have lost a few games, too. If Tate didn’t have that “bye-bye” play against the Rams or Sherman doesn’t pick Schaub for a TD… we may have been looking at going to SF for the championship game.

    As it is, we’re the champs and I like it, but I do expect a few losses this year. I just hope none of them are in Jan or Feb. I’m more confident in these Seahawks than I think any fan of any other team should be though.

  70. Ray_Maines says:

    I get all the arguments every which way.

    I totally understand how every week could go seriously wrong, but there is no particular reason why the Seahawks have to lose any one individual game. Things happen. Maybe those things go in Seattles favor. Talent frequently makes “things” go in favor of the better team.

    The ‘Hawks could win in SF. And they could win on any/every other particular Sunday (or Thursday, or Saturday, or Monday…). Right now I’m predicting 19-0. Go ‘Hawks!

  71. FivePercentWrong says:

    Speaking of possible losses, here’s a question for you all…

    What is the game this season that scares you the most and why? Maybe we should exclude the Whiner game in Santa Clara, since that is an obvious tough one.

    Carolina scares me, since we’ve played them there so many times and barely won each time. At least I no longer feel the East Coast Curse will be a factor.

  72. jawpeace says:

    Southendzone, Rice original contract is where the cap hit is coming from. The cap hit for cutting him was 2.5 million. His original salary for the season was going to be over 7 mil so the Hawks cut him taking the hit. Resigning him later for basement price which was not guaranteed.

  73. Mr Dybas – Although it is an obvious typo, I wouldn’t want to mis-pronounce Norwood’s name as Noorwod to his face!

    STTBM – Maybe comparing Branch and Rice, scheme might be worth looking at. In ’07 SEA had no run game. Hass threw the ball a lot. In SR’s time here, SEA was a run team. I loved Branch’s effort, but SR did more with fewer opportunities.

  74. Southendzone says:

    Jawpeace, that’s what I thought you meant. It’s misleading to say ” SR is still going to get 2.5 million from the Hawks this season.”

    He really isn’t getting any of that $2.5M in his pocket if you’re talking about the cap hit. they are 2 different things. He got paid that $ long ago and the team just has it on the salary cap this season.

  75. seahawkfan97 says:

    Am I missing something? Rice was talking about over the summer/in the past when hurt as far as mentoring and coaching up the other receivers…not that he is gonna be around to mentor and coach them up..did I mis-read that article??
    wish you the best of health and thanks for the blood sweat and tears Sid rice…go hawks…

  76. Mo–Regardless of whether you agree with my wording, Sidney Rice never came close to justifying or earning what we paid him, and while injuries were a part of that, he was never the player we paid for, even when healthy. Anyone who says otherwise is being a total homer.

    Stats have little to do with it; when we needed a first down, or a big play, the guy more often then not utterly disappeared.

    And No, I did not forget that Seattle paid 6 million to Housh to make him go away. Housh was a douche, we all agree on that.

    His first year or so, he was open a LOT, and missed. After that, he struggled to get open. Last year he only looked good vs Jax, one of the worst teams in football at that time.

    And at no point was Rice ever “the man”, a guy you could count on to get open regularly when needed. As for slow Rice “opening things up” for Tate and Baldwin, I would say it was Tate opening things up for the others, as he played SE and used his speed to open things up for the others, running clear-out routes.

    Rice was a great route-runner, but he wasnt an elite player. I watched the games as closely as anyone. Besides which, several people with All-22 film have come on here and stated that Rice was not getting separation the last couple years. He flat wasnt getting open.

    Again, you dont pay a guy 24 million bucks over three seasons to be a decent player, a great guy, and a fabulous teammate. If you do, youre wasting cap space and money.

    Too many here are thinking with their heart, attributing accomplishments to Rice that never happened simply because he was a nice guy and a good teammate and leader.

    If those qualities were so valuable, Mike Rob would still be here making 2.5 million a year.

    To say none of us has any idea if he was worth 8 million a year or not because we dont understand football and what went on any given play is rude, condescending, and just plain silly. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that a guy isnt playing up to 8 million a year.

  77. Jawpeace–”I also don’t think he underperformed- he gave his best. Did he make the expectations that were placed on him? Nope.”

    That is the meaning of underperforming–not meeting expectations, or not reaching the performance level youre being paid at.

    Underperforming does not necessarily imply not giving your best. Eddie George for instance played his heart out, bashing into people and scrapping for 3 yards per carry long after he should have retired. Did he give his best? You bet. Was his best very good? Nope. He underperformed.

    Nate Burleson was a classic example. Every year, he was supposed to be the man, and every year he’d tease with a good game or three. But when push came to shove, and he had to be the number one guy, he’d disappear for entire games and catch 0-2 passes. He tried his best, he was just an underperformer, a guy who never reached his potential or performed at the level that was expected.

  78. FivePercentWrong says:

    SandPoint, thanks for that link. ET is the man. So glad Schneider got his deal done and he’ll be a Seahawk for a while. Talk about a roll model for your kids.

    Slave, you seem to be saying that “under performing” isn’t based on effort and ability, but on scheme and quality of the team. I get what you’re saying, that the player’s stats didn’t live up to the expectations based on salary. But, I think that is unfair when assessing the player. It should be used to assess the system, the GM, the coaches; but not the player.

    That model is what gets teams in trouble by over valuing a player. Branch was a decent receiver but not great. It was the Pats’ scheme and overall talent that made him look more valuable than he was.

    If you can say that Rice didn’t run his routes or he dropped too many balls or he was too slow, then he under performed. Otherwise, he was under utilized, he did not under perform.

  79. FivePercentWrong says:

    Slave, disregard my last comment. I scrolled too fast and missed where you said that Rice didn’t get separation and wasn’t clutch on third down.

  80. MoSeahawk12 says:

    “To say none of us has any idea if he was worth 8 million a year or not because we dont understand football and what went on any given play is rude, condescending, and just plain silly. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that a guy isnt playing up to 8 million a year.”

    Please take some reading comprehension classes. Where did I ever say this? I didn’t, you just pull out what you want to think. Just as you constantly impose your opinion on the blog. There were many posters yesterday that took issue with you saying Rice robbed the team, yet you miss that point entirely. Go back and read how many took exception to that inaccurate, demeaning term that only you chose to use. Not one person agreed with you and you only respond to one of my posts by saying I said something I didn’t. You don’t even respond to what the group was calling you on. Conveniently missing our point. We clearly don’t have to worry about rocket science anytime soon.

  81. Mo–I am not imposing my opinion on anyone. Im simply stating my opinion, clarifying it, and defending the logic behind by opinion to whomever chooses to discuss it with me.

    And I really dont care if anyone thinks the way I do, or agrees with my opinions. The mob is often wrong.

    And yeah, man, you just spent paragraphs insisting that no one could accurately judge if Rice was elite or not because the offensive line, the qb, the playcall, the RB, etc all had something to do with the way the play turned out, and you went on and on about how none of us are qualified to judge. And I disagree with that.

    Why dont you re-read your own comments, and take a reading comprehension course (not to mention a writing course) while youre at it:

    “As mentioned previously, the game of football, especially pro football is much more than stats. Really, I’d stick with baseball. There are numerous gears that have to turn on any one play for that play to have even a remote chance for success. This is way beyond HS football. Line play is critical as are receiver location, route precision, defensive position and space, QB recognition. It’s easy to say Rice didn’t have tons of yards and TDs, based only on stats. Stats are black and white and without context, never tell the whole story. If you actually watched the games, you’d see Rice made a positive impact when on the field. This team isn’t about passing stats or receiving stats. They signed Rice with that in mind. To say he robbed the team is pure garbage and is coming from a very misinformed position. How many times was Rice wide open and Wilson flat out didn’t see him? How many times was Rice open and Wilson decided to run and not risk the throw? Often Rice was double covered and guess what that allowed. Doug Baldwin being open and getting lots of balls his way. Tate being open and getting balls his way. Rice drew coverage away from those guys. He came to a run first team and did what was asked of him without acting up or throwing his rookie QB under the bus, even though he could have weekly. The use of the disrespectful term do describe one of the hardest working, un selfish players is typical. Rice was the anti Tate and Baldwin, Kearse and yes even Tate benefited from his time on this team. He was never going to catch fifteen TDs and have 1800 yards receiving. That’s not this team. At least you have zero supporters on this topic.”

    I never said Rice needed to get 1800 yards receiving, and his stats alone are not the reason I think he was a terrible FA signing and was ridiculously overpaid. His performance was not up to the level he was paid at, as Ive said time and again. He wasnt a great blocker, he was slow, he didnt make enough plays when we needed them. He simply wasnt a great player, merely a decent one. And again, you dont pay 8 million a year for a decent player, no matter his leadership etc.

    If people want to be offended I used the term robbed, thats their problem. He never earned his money. Three years in a row, he didnt earn his money. PC and JS screwed up bigtime signing him for so much money, and no one could have forseen his injuries, but he wasnt great even when healthy.

    I swear you only read parts of my comments, and get so angry I dont see things your way that your brain just explodes…

    As for not addressing those who dont like my terminology, that too is bogus:

    “Regardless of whether you agree with my wording, Sidney Rice never came close to justifying or earning what we paid him, and while injuries were a part of that, he was never the player we paid for, even when healthy.”

  82. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Lost cause. Once again, please find one instance when I used the term elite. You won’t. I didn’t. You also won’t find where I “you went on and on about how none of us are qualified to judge. And I disagree with that.” I never said that, any of that. I was simply stating there is more going on than your precious stats indicate. Going into more detail than just saying this guy was a bad signing and stole from the team because he didn’t perform at a level determined by you. Many here agree that he didn’t live up to his contract. Hell, even Rice said one of the reasons he resigned after being cut was because he was already paid a ton and felt he wasn’t able to deliver on that contract. He felt he needed to earn his money and gladly resigned for a much smaller number. Of course you’l say he didn’t have any other options and you’d be wrong.

    The whole point and why so many called you out on this was you implied that Rice stole, robbed and cheated the team. That he belonged in the same trash pile as Housh and Branch. He doesn’t and the blog spoke up about that. You seem to miss that any time people call you on something. Yet, you’re the first one to call anyone else out when throw up an alternate view.

  83. Mo–I never use stats as the be-all and end-all. Ive said repeatedly that stats are only part of the story, and that in my opinion, Rice was never the player he was paid to be even when healthy, even ignoring stats.

    Rice had other options–but not as good as staying here. If those options were so great, he might have asked for his release instead of retiring. From what we heard, there was some interest from NO, but they filled their WR need and werent too aggressive in getting him. The Jets wanted him, and likely for more money, but they are the Jets…’Nuff said.

    I said RIce robbed the team. Thats my opinion. He took a hell of a lot of money–for three years–and even when healthy was never close to earning it. His play in my opinion was down there with Branch and Housh. All three had their numbers artificially lowered due to players and coaches around them–Branch was catching passes from Hass, who never has been super accurate with his ball placement, Housh was on a TERRIBLE team, Rice played for a run-first, spread the ball team.

    But I think if you watched them closely–as I did, since I love the WR position best–you can see that they performed similarly. Funny, of the three, Housh had the best season, though much of his stats came in garbage time when we were being blown out, and so the stats have an asterisk.

    Im frustrated with Rice’s performance, and have been since he first got here. He had TWO hundred-yard games in his first two years here, and I think those might be the only ones he had. Even Baldwin had more, and he’s a slot WR.

  84. And Rice retired rather than Duke it out with the stable of young hungry guys for league minimum. Perhaps he really is feeling the pain of concussions, perhaps its really his knee or just an unwillingness to take the grind for low pay now that he’s so wealthy. Who knows?

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