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Morning Links: We hear from Michael Bowie

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on June 11, 2014 at 11:21 am with 44 Comments »
June 11, 2014 11:48 am

As OTAs roll on, today is the penultimate day, let’s take a look around the league with some late morning linkage:


> Michael Bowie made a radio appearance Tuesday and talked about the battle at right tackle.

> More photos from OTAs.

> Seahawks ticket prices are up 32 percent on the secondary market, according to Forbes.

> continues to get OTA access while the media is shut out. Tuesday, they talked to Tom Cable about the rookie tackles.

> Richard Sherman bought NBA player Jamal Crawford’s Maple Valley home for $2.31 million. It has two kitchens, which is amusing since Sherman often goes to McDonald’s.

> There’s also a petition to get the full Legion of Boom on the Madden cover.

> John Clayton wonders if Colin Kaepernick’s deal is a new model for mega-contracts.

> Champ Bailey says the name “Redskins” is almost “like the N-word.”

> Pro Football Focus takes a look at the “Art of tracking the NFL’s best corners.”

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  1. The guy plays two games at guard and plays better at that position than he ever did at tackle (or James Carpenter ever has at guard) and there’s not one mention from the radio talk show people about asking Bowie about competing at guard? I don’t know much about “Bob and Groz” but my opinion on them is certainly now formed and it’s not good. I’m embarassed for them.

  2. jawpeace says:

    How did I know that Bobby would be the first one to comment on a Bowie headline.

  3. Check out Sherman’s Gushers Meatballs recipe…then let’s see if you still question his need for two kitchens:

  4. God tried creating a world and it took 7 days. He lost to Michael Bowie and he hadn’t even been born yet.

    Darnell Dockett once tried to pancake Michael Bowie but Bowie had Dockett with syrup.

    Michael Bowie has counted to infinity. Twice.

  5. Macabrevity says:

    Bobby – I listen to Bob and Groz quite a bit and enjoy the show – BUT – I’m only able to appreciate it because I’m not too picky about radio journalism. I’d label it sports entertainment radio. They often mix up their facts, massacre the English language, or make uninformed claims, and yet, thanks to their personalities somehow shining through all that, it remains pretty entertaining, at least for me.

  6. chuck_easton says:

    I don’t use the “R” word.

    When I have to refer to that team they are:

    The Upper Potomac Indigenous Peoples
    “Washington” “R” word

  7. Southendzone says:

    Did you all see the anti-Redskins commercial on the NBA last night? I thought it was pretty well-done.

  8. yankinta says:

    Learned something new today,, :)

    ““But going against one dude and preparing for just one receiver is easier to me than having to cover multiple receivers a game.” Though the guy you’re being tasked with tracking is likely the best your opposition has to offer, you do at least get the benefit of learning his nuances and moves in far greater depth than you do if you’re facing three or four receivers in a game.”

  9. CDHawkFan says:

    Thanks for posting SEZ.

  10. Is “redskin” really an offensive word that stems from hatred or are the media and certain people who have agendas or guilty concious’ turning it into an offensive word. If this is the case, maybe we should change the name of the state Oklahoma – Choctaw for “red people”. Has anyone actually looked up the origins of “redskin”. I don’t really care one way or the other if the name gets changed, but I do find it interesting for the reasonings behind it.

  11. On the Sherman covering one side of the feild, I’m not sure, but I would think that if you have your best corner stay on one side that it helps the rest of the D out by allowing them to cheat more to the other side knowing that QB’s will most likely avoid throwing torwards him. I think it’s a overall stratagy and I believe Sherman could easily be matched up with the best reciever if that’s what the Hawks wanted to do.

  12. I hope the Redskins change their name so the people who are advocating for the name change can focus more on alcoholism and drug addiction on reservations. We live near a “rez” and even the county attorney knows when the drug dealers from the big city come out (always when they get their “PC” or casino money each month). It’s a joke. Local police are well aware, too (and can only do so much, as I’m friends with a couple of cops as well). The suicides, violence, and rapes are sickening (two of three teen girls have been sexually assalted) and I’m pretty sure that’s where their attention should focus on next. Instead, I doubt it will… it’s always easier to blame others I guess.

  13. CDHawkFan says:

    Tru, I guess you didn’t see the comment at the bottom of the page where the video was posted.

    Again, its not whether you or the majority of the population think its okay, this isn’t for common sense or logic, its whether or not the group of people think its offensive. They paid for the commercial and paid big bucks to run it, I assume they find it offensive.

    My guess is that the NFL will slide Snyder some money to help pay for the loss of his ”Brand” value at some point. Might be some 10-20% of the value for that club.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    What group of people? The politically correct capitalist groups or the Native Americans that were 90% ok with the name Redskins?

    I’m not strongly for or against it but if they do change the name it would be fitting that the new one be the Washington P.C. Capitalists.

    P.C. Caps for short.

  15. Southendzone says:

    The thing that makes the Redskins argument tough is that you see polls and other claims about the origin and meaning of the word that claim

    1) Most Native Americans don’t find it offensive
    2) The origin of the word isn’t as a racial slur.

    I don’t know the truth, if there is an actual consensus among the Native American population on it, that should be the deciding factor.

    I’ve never known it as anything but the name of an NFL team.

    You might say “Well that’s because you’re a white guy from Bellevue”, but even as such, I know that the N-word is a derogatory slur.

  16. While there are certainly more pressing issues, the Washington Football teams name IS a racial slur. Period. And, as such, has no place in modern society and Sport.

    If Goodell gets his way, we’ll soon have teams in Canada and London. I suppose we’ll name the Quebec team the Frenchies (or FightingFrogs), and the London team will be named in the same vein. Eventually, we’ll have a team somewhere in China, and we can call them the Yellamen. And if the name sticks for decades, it will no longer be a racial slur, merely a name with a proud tradition…How about a team in Africa; suppose we call that team the Blacks (or worse), with a proud Zulu Warrior head on the helmet?

    Now, if they changed the name to just Indians, or a certain tribe, or Warriors or something, that would pose a more nuanced argument for pros/cons; there is no argument in favor of their current name that makes any sense whatsoever.

  17. AzulVerde says:

    We as a society have become to sensitive to being Politically correct IMHO. It seems nobody is allowed an opinion anymore if it has any possibility of offending someone else. I’ll give an example, at my job I’m not allowed to say “Merry Christmas” anymore. Christmas is “apparently” a christian term and some other religions find it offensive. So the correct term I’m told is Happy Holidays….

    This is just one example, but I find it disheartening. I’m a sensitive person and would never intentionally do or say something that I know would offend someone else. But I’m also sick and tired of not being able to be ME.

    I think it’s understandable that maybe a “few” might find the redskins name offensive. However, consider context do Native Americans “really” think the team was named that to be offensive towards them? NO… so IMHO GET OVER IT. It’s not like it’s a slight on any one person personally. If I say Merry Christmas to you and your Buddhist and I’m unaware of the fact, do you really take that personal and say I am trying to offend you?

    People need to get over themselves….
    /rant off

    Sorry had to get that off my chest


  18. Ray_Maines says:

    CDHF: Roger Goodell is only the commissioner, not actually “THE” NFL. I can’t see Paul Allen, Jerry Jones, the Myra Family, and 28 other owners gently pushing any money Dan Snyder’s way.

  19. Well said.

    Then there are groups like the Florida State Seminoles who are fully supported by the ones they are supposedly slandering. lol

  20. (Azu – well said)

  21. AzulVerde says:

    @Southendzone. I agree with you on the N-word. However, I have a caveat as to it’s use. The words original meaning is duragatory in nature and I feel it shouldn’t be used. I find it offensive myself though that African Americans can say a “form” of the word Nigga as an enduring term amongst themselves (which makes no sense to me btw) yet if a white person says it (even in the same context) i.e.: white kid who grew up on the hood around majority of black people. However, it’s offensive if the white boy says it….

    It’s just wrong period, I don’t think the word should be used among civil people. That being said, IMHO an African American has ZERO basis to complain though if they use the word themselves…. irregardless of how they use it. The word is offensive or it’s not. IMHO


  22. STTBM – how is it a slur, is color now a racial connatation now? When did it exactly become a racial slur? Should people be ashamed of their skin color? Who has even heard the term in their lives (including Native Americans) besides in reference to the football team. Seriously, I’m just curious.

  23. rramstad says:

    TruBlu, researching on the Internet is easy.

    Here’s a pretty good article that sums up a lot of what is probably conventional wisdom on the topic.

    I think near the bottom he really makes an excellent point.

    The “Redskins” debate is similar to the “nigger” debate, yet unlike with the “nigger” debate, outsiders feel perfectly comfortable telling Native people how they should feel. I suppose that’s the most frustrating part of the debate—that we Native people, the folks who are the only meaningful stakeholders in this debate—are not allowed to have a voice in the matter. Correct that: We can have an opinion so long as it is pro-Redskin. Otherwise, we’re being “too sensitive.”

    I feel VERY strongly that if this was an African American slur, or an Asian slur, or a Jewish slur, there’s no FREAKING WAY they’d leave the team name alone. Dan Snyder is an unbelievable jerk for thinking that he can just leave the team name as-is. Wake up, it is 2014.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    I think they should just change the name to something respectful like a local tribe that was known for being fierce. I don’t think using a tribes name is derogatory, but a redskin was a slur to show that natives were”savages”, like yellow man for an Asian mascot. When i was around 10 years old, i lived with my father at the end of town, past the rez, a few natives came by the beach and befriended me. They were blown away that i was always left alone, truth be told i wasn’t so keen on being abandoned all the time. One day i visited their homes and realized how much better it was being alone then to go through what they dealt with.

  25. chuck_easton says:


    It is a racial Slur.

    To quote from The Daily Republican Newspaper of Winona Minnesota September 24, 1863:

    “The State reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory.”

    So, does that sound like a term of endearment to you?

    My son’s school is going through the same issue right now. The School has been the Western Canada Redmen since 1905. They now are changing the name effective next school year.

  26. montanamike2 says:

    If i was from the great lakes region, i would have no problem using Huron in my name. They were extremely brutal and instilled fear in both native and settlers in the area, flaying children’s skin from their body in front of their parents before they killed them, they were cruel beyond imagination. The Salish and the Haida on the coast of BC where i grew up were known for being “fish eaters”.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    I agree that Redskin is a slur but also agree with Bobby that more needs to be done to resolve all the rapes and incest that goes on. We can’t even comprehend what these people go through, especially the girls, it’s very sad. Some of the towns up north are “dry”, meaning no alcohol, but they still find ways to get in. Natives can’t even buy vanilla extract back home.

  28. Ray_Maines says:

    You mean that If I bought the Buffalo Bills, moved them to L.A. and tried to rename my team the Wetbacks in honor of the local hispanic population, and put a picture of the Frito Bandito on the helmet it might not work out real well? Who could know? Some people are just so touchy these days.

  29. Ray_Maines says:
  30. Ray_Maines says:

    Apparently it was 20 years ago today that O.J. Simpson did his famous impersonation of John Elway, the slow white Bronco.

  31. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Tommie Yazzie –
    (Navajo Indian & superintendent of Red Mesa)
    believes his schools use of the (Redskins) nickname & mascot epitomizes the qualities desired of its students & athletes: bravery, pride, and Intelligence.

    That doesn’t sound anything close to a racial slur to me.

    I haven’t seen a consensus either way yet like there would be with the N word, & that includes the history of the word & the modern day meaning of the word.

    Unless of course it’s a certain political party.

  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Some more interesting opinions from Native Americans that differ from one another, & not from a football player that isn’t native American.

    I don’t think the Redskins name for the football team was meant to insult native Americans at all.
    However I can see how some groups of native Americans &/or some individual native Americans would want to have that name for only their culture to embrace & not some rich white man who is profiting from that name.

    Especially an A$$ like Snyder!

    I bet this would all go away if all profits (from the Washington Redskins) went to native Americans.

  33. Glad to see your opinions are worth 5 cents now, AvulVerde! Much better than the 2 cent opinions from Ezra. ;-) JK, I enjoy your posts in case this is misunderstood.

    The word Redskin means different things to different people. Just like ANY word. It MOST definitely was a slur once upon a time. And I can understand the inclination to get rid of it. It is a complicated issue. The confederate flag is basically the same issue. Many are justified in seeing it as a symbol of hate. It still is for many that claim differently IMO. But there may be some that simply are used to it being a symbol of pride outside of that.

  34. DanielleMND says:

    I doubt the intent of the team’s ownership past or present is bias against Native Americans, but Redskins is still a slur. Unlike the Seminoles team, which uses an actual tribal name with the permission of the tribe itself.

    Also, consider how quickly Dan Snyder shouted “antisemitism!” because a newspaper caricatured him as the Devil. Yes, really, Snyder said that constituted racism against him as a Jewish man. Now who’s too sensitive, Danny boy?

  35. banosser says:

    How about renaming them the Injuns?

  36. AZBubba71 says:

    I don’t care one way or another about changing the name. However, the ad that played last night claimed that Native Americans never call themselves “Redskins”. That is untrue. There is a high school on the Navajo Indian Reservation that uses the identical logo and name as the NFL team (I drove by it this summer while on a road trip.).

    Maybe Daniel Snyder will figure out a way to sue the Navajos just for the irony of it?? That would be hilariously wrong!

  37. DanielleMND says:

    The NFL should force him to rename the team the Devils and use that newspaper’s caricature of him as the logo.

  38. I guess I’m just ignorant because I’m not Native American, but it seems like there would be an overall concenus by all Native Americans if Redskins affected them as the N-word does to the blacks or wetbacks does to Hispanics. Those words have always been used to put them down and belittle them, but there seems to be a lot of confusion about the origin of “redskin” and how it was used in the past and by NAtive Americans themselves. Also, living on the Kitsap Pennisula, especially around the canal, I’ve heard some derogatory comments towards Native Americans, but never once have I heard anyone use the word redskin because I don’t think people think it’s derogatory or they would use it. I’ve heard the N-word, the S-word, the C-word all torwards Blacks, Hispanics and Asians because those are hateful words and have always been.

  39. As a Native American myself I can tell the you that to me personally Redskins is not offensive but I can see why I could offend some. Everyone is different and it shouldn’t take a consensus poll of Native Americans to decide if it’s offensive or not. I think what bothers me the most and what I find most offensive (and believe me I’ve had these discussions with very close friends and family) is a race of people telling another race that it isn’t offensive, they’re being too sensitive, it’s never been a big deal since I can remember, etc. The history of what happened to natives in this country is absolutely terrible. It goes way beyond what you’ve learned in school. So if the word Redskin is offensive to even one tribe then it should be changed.

  40. Macabrevity says:

    The Piscataway were the most populous native people of the area, so how about the Washington Piscataway? I kinda like it…

    Just don’t change the name of my favorite chewing tobacco puh-leeze….

  41. GeorgiaHawk says:

    There we go then, problem solved, let one tribe speak for all the tribes.

    But seriously DFloyd makes a good point. Why should one race tell another race what is offensive to them Champ Bailey?

  42. spencerdt says:

    I think they should follow one suggestion and call the team the Foreskins in honor of the local elected populace.

  43. AZBubba71 says:

    As a Norwegian-American, I am offended by the term Vikings and feel that the Minnesota Vikings should change their name…Vikings conjures up images of my people raping, pillaging, and burning.

    Just kidding.

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