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Schneider and Carroll post-draft quotes

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on May 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm with 31 Comments »
May 10, 2014 9:08 pm

To wrap things up, here’s what Pete Carroll and John Schneider had to say Saturday:

(Overall thoughts…)  John S:  We’re thinking about who’s coming in for the tryouts this weekend.  That’s what everybody’s working on right now.  We’re pretty close to finishing up free agency.  We’re really excited about several guys we got in free agency and that have agreed.  So, and the draft part, was great.  We didn’t have any big upsets on this last day.  It was great.  Worked out good.  Pete C:  It was kind of like Yogi said, ‘it’s déjà vu all over again.’  I thought it was a terrific three days.  We set our sights on stuff, terrific moves that got us into position.  John went right back in his mode and had a fantastic sequence of days here.  We’re really fired up about the team and the guys we’re bringing into this club and this locker room.  It was really well done.

(On how Marsh fits into the defense…)  Pete C:  He’s always been a really good football player.  His nature showed up as a kid.  He’s really a hard-working, tough guy.  He’s as aggressive and active as anybody that was in the draft.  We love that motor that he brings.  The chance to get reunited, and met the family, and all that way back when, watched him grow up through his high school days. It’s exciting to give him this opportunity to come to this club.  He’s going to come with a real attitude.  We’re really fired up about that.

 (On whether Marsh will play tackle…)  Pete C:  He’s going to play end, he’s going to rush inside on third down situations for us, and compete at that spot.  He has a lot of versatility, he can do a lot of things  If you watched it closely, he logged some plays on offense at times.  We think he’ll contribute in a lot of ways.  This is a real classic guy for us and that we think he can do a lot of different things.  We’re going to try to work it out and figure out how we can best situate it, so he can take advantage of that.

(On comparing Marsh to Michael Bennett…)  Pete C:  Because Michael has so much flexibility, and Cassius likewise does, we think.  In essence, he’s follow Michael around a little bit about the different spots that we play.  And then we’ll create his own scenario, but it will take some time to get that figured out.

(On whether there was a theme for this draft…)  John S: It’s been the same: smart, tough, reliable.  Obviously, the speed and bringing guys that will have that mentality about being able to compete in our locker room and survive in our locker room, which is a pretty young, confident place to be right now.

(On moving Pinkins to playing press corner…)  Pete C:  He’s a remarkable athlete, as long and tall as he is, and the speed that he has, and he has receiver background.  So, he has a lot of good qualities that we like.  The fact that he has such great arm length and he’s almost 6’3” gives us a chance to see if we can find him a spot at corner, first.  He’s been a real physical guy.  John reminded me that he’s been a really good tackler.  We thought that was one of the things that jumped out on the film.  So, we know he can play football.  Now, we’d like to see whether we can package this thing to see if he can play outside.  He played a lot on the slots, but covered a lot of man-to-man stuff on slot receivers. But, it’s going to be a transition for him, and we’re willing to go through, and we think he’s the perfect guy to give a shot at that.

(On whether Pinkins can be a safety type…)  Pete C:  Absolutely, that’s what he does.  That’s what he’s built his college career on; playing safety.  He’s a hard hitter and a tackler, he would fall right into Kam’s kind of a role, and probably that kind of style if he’s playing safety.  He gives us great flexibility, we think he’s a really cool pick because of that.

(On whether Pierre-Louis will be a linebacker or safety…)  John S:  He’s a Will linebacker.  That’s what he’s played, he’s played out in space a ton.  Yes, he’s a run and hit guy, a really good special teams player.  Range, short-close, instincts, great kid.  He’s rocked up.  He’s just a great package kid.

(On Pierre-Louis’ athleticism, Todd Brunner comparing him to NaVorro Bowman…)  John S: Whoa, slow down, Todd.  [laughter]  Guys get excited when you pick guys in their area.  Todd scouted NaVorro at Penn State and was with the 49ers when they took him, and in his mind that’s who he reminded him of.  That was one of the themes we stuck with.  You could see they played a very similar position in college.

(On whether there was a guy where you were surprised that he lasted so long…)  Pete C:  We went down the list and kind of felt like that with a number of guys, starting right with Paul.  John really felt solid that we could make the moves that we made, the trades that we made to position ourselves and still get a guy that we were really thrilled to get, and it kind of went on down the list.  Justin was really important to us, we needed that right tackle competition.  We kept watching him, and Cassius, and all the way down the list it felt like that.  Probably in my opinion the fact that Kevin Norwood was there was probably the guy that we thought we were most fortunate to still have a shot at.  John S:  For me, it was Kevin [Norwood], because he is such a football stud, everything he’s had to overcome.  He was such a reliable guy for them.  Third down.  Big, big games. You could watch him two or three years ago playing against the Honey Badger, and the guy just had his hands full.  I think that really stood out to me, and I think that represented on our board.  He was by himself up there.  We had taken Paul already and didn’t necessarily anticipate another receiver being there because there was a big clump of them, and we felt like they were going to just come ripping off, and they did, and he stayed there, and maybe because he’s such a solid guy, there’s nothing overly flashy about him, except that he’s incredibly tough and reliable and smart and savvy.  I think that’s probably why he lasted as long as he did.

(On what it tells you when a guy makes big plays in big games…)  John S:  Absolutely.  A lot of these guys, they’ve all overcome obstacles, you go all the way down to Kiero, he’s a smaller guy who has overcome obstacles the whole way through, and he’s played big time ball.  But, when you look at a guy like Kevin, you’re talking about a guy who has played for arguably the best program in the country for the last several years, and he’s been a humongous part of it, and that reliability factor is not something that you take for granted.  I know those guys at Alabama don’t take it for granted, and he had to work for it.

(On what you saw in Keith Price…)  Pete C:  We had a good look at him, obviously, being a local kid, we’ve seen him for years.  We had a really good look at him at his workouts.  He came here for our local workout.  We feel very, very comfortable with him, we know that he’s got a big upside, he seemed to fit in really well with our coaches.  We just feel really comfortable and we think we can give him a real good shot at it.

(On Staten and Scott…)  John S:  Staten, he was at the Players Association game, and had a really good week of practice, played well in the game.  3-technique, good first step, good hands. Still has a good upside on him.  He had a knee injury that he overcame, that he worked through, but he missed a portion of the season, so there was a little chunk there.  Then, Garrett, he was kind of an under the radar guy, really quick hands, played in that Marshall, good angles, real nice first kick step.  Competitive guy, just stays in front of people.

(On whether Scott can play multiple positions…)  Pete C:  He could, but we like the shot of him playing left tackle, because he’s done it and it’s a difficult spot to find.  He looked very comfortable there.  Really has the kind of quickness and light on his feet ability that gives us the thought that he could do that.  But, we always need our guys to be flexible, and he does help us there.

(On whether Staten is a 5-technique guy…)  Pete C:  We’d like to play him inside, at the 3-technique stuff, and give us some good big-man play there.  We think he can play some at the 5-technique as a swing position for him, but we’d like for him to really solidify a spot inside.  We’re looking for a big body guy, so that’s why we’re happy to get him.

(On Kiero Small…)  John S:  He’s a total thumper, man.  I like him a lot.  He’s super tough, plays really low, digs guys out.  He’s seriously tough.  Pete C:  He’s a great attitude guy, we love adding him to the team, because he is the epitome of the fullback.

(On whether he has ever drafted a guy who is 5’8”, 247 pounds…)  John S:  No.  But, I remember when Rock Cartwright came out, he’s along those lines.  He has great eyes.  They ran the ball a lot.  He just digs people out.  It’s fairly natural for him because he’s so low to the ground, and I can say that, it’s OK.

(On whether less one-on-one is needed for a guy, like Kevin Norwood, from a program like Alabama…)  John S:  That’s a great question, especially with him because, everything’s just perfect.  You just check your boxes.  He’s raised well, he’s overcome obstacles, he’s a good student.  There’s nothing you can poke holes in.  Here he is.  He’s like a perfect package.  People question his speed a bit, and then he goes to the Combine and runs a 4.47.  At a program like that, and you know a lot of those people have been in pro football.  Trainers, strength coaches, obviously the coaches.  They know what it takes and you interview them, and you talk to them.

(On whether the draft process has changed in going from a 5-win team to top of the mountain…)  John S:  It really has not changed, the process has not changed at all.  I think the only thing that has changed along the way is from our mistakes, and it’s really a tribute to the team and the program that Coach Carroll has put together and there’s so much competitiveness that these guys are on edge, they’re confident, and you have to have a certain mentality to be able to battle.  You have to bring it right away.  Right when you walk in the door, you have to be able to bring it.  That’s where, personally, I know I’ve made mistakes with guys.  Pete C:  I would add, just watching John orchestrate this, he had a really clear vision of how he wanted it to go, and we really haven’t altered, we’ve just improved.  We’re more efficient, I think, over the years.  This felt like we stepped right back into the blocks again, and came right out of the chute.  It just felt like we were right on the mark, and the communication and all the function, and all the trades, and all the interaction that happens, was really smooth and well done.  I would like to think that as we execute better in football now, we’re executing better.  The philosophy of it and the scheme of it all has really been very solid from the start.

(On whether the process requires more patience now…)  John S:  You could see as well where I came from in Green Bay.  Some of the classes were kind of for the following year, the more talented you became.  That’s just natural.  The guys on the team have to fight off young, hungry guys that are ready to come in and compete.  Other guys are coming in to compete with grown men.   Pete C:  I don’t think that caused us to be impatient.  It takes care of itself, like putting them in the competitive situations.  The competition is more heightened now.  It’s harder for guys to make it, but boy it’s the same thing we’ve been doing, and it’s awesome because they can feel the push from the new guys and those new guys get a great shot with us.  We throw them in there, and they’ve got to deal with them.  It’s kind of how the design is set up.

(On the impact of the draft being 2 weeks later…)  John S:  We were ready to go.  The process was the same.  I think it’s very unique that these guys are like, coming in to work now.   Pete C:  We’re a week shorter with our normal minicamp, so that we’re very much accelerated today and tomorrow with getting these guys here and all of that as we have to wrap up free agency much quicker.

(On being able to pick up extra draft picks…)  John S:  I actually thought this morning, coming to work, that we were going to just stay there, and then Cincinnati was pretty aggressive.  At that point, we felt like we were losing Kevin, but then he stayed.  Again, we felt very blessed.

(On the competition at wide receiver…)  John S:  It’s pretty dang stiff.  We didn’t go into this thing saying we have to have a receiver.  It wasn’t like our first draft.  Our first draft here it was like, we have to have a left tackle, we have to have a free safety.  There were so many big needs at that time because we were trying to shift things a little bit.

(On the traits of Norwood that stand out…)  John S:  He’s 6’2”, he’s 4.47, he’s long, he has big hands,   he has a savviness about him as a route runner, he can drop his hips, he knows exactly where the sticks are, he works very well with quarterbacks.  Works back to quarterbacks real well.  You could see with A.J., he helped A.J. out a lot.  A.J. talked about him a lot, that he was his go-to guy.  He always knew where he was going to be.  He was super steady, and he’s deceptive down the field because, you’ll see.  I don’t want to say silky smooth, or anything like that, but he’s got a smoothness about him, but he’s got more power than you think, too.  He’s a little bit more of a gainer down the field than you would think.  He has very good body control, and he has really quick feet, and he gets his head around real quick, and he has real quick eyes.  I can’t believe we were able to draft him, it’s pretty neat.

(On the level of synergy between the coaching and scouting staff, was there a particular pick that illuminated that…)  Pete C:  Maybe Jimmy Staten was the guy that we really had to work it around and figure out, with our needs that we had, guys available.  We took a look and had to talk through that a number of different angles, to come to the agreement that this was the right guy at the right time and John again, he sensed how much time we would have to get him, and it fit just right.  It continues to show us, as John’s sense for what’s going to happen in these drafts, allows us to really kind of pinpoint guys that could help us, and we’re able to target really well and it worked out.  We’re just thrilled at the way the guys came to us, and that was one of the real cool ones right there.  John S:  Yeah, especially in the first round, I know exactly how it’s going to go. [laughter]  I don’t know how to tell you this; but I have no idea.

(On the drafting of Michael Sam…)  John S:  They’re in our division, that’s another team that did a great job, got an edge rusher.  Shoot, San Fran did a good job.  Arizona never took that punter.  [laughter]  I was texting them the whole time.

(On an update of Kam Chancelor…)  Pete C:  Kam’s making great progress, they think he’s going to be back in plenty of time to be ready for camp and all that.  Really glad we could get a chance to fix him. He’s been dealing with a hip thing for a while.  So, he should be in great shape. There have been no problems, everything is well ahead of schedule, and we’re counting on him being with us throughout.

(On playing Cassius on offense in the red zone…)  Pete C:  Honestly, we’ve already talked about that, that’s a consideration.  He’s already shown that he can do that.  John S:  He’s got great hands.  His workout as a tight end was excellent.  I’m serious.  I know you think I’m messing around, but I’m being serious.  [

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  1. jawpeace says:

    A total flood of Hawk news. Ah it was great. No things are going to slow down a bit. I think it is about time to go re-watch the entire 2013 season. Anything anyone wants me to look for in my rewatch?

  2. Interested to see how this all works out.

    A pre camp roster analysis would be terrific (hint, hint).

  3. What’s the training camp roster limit, 90? And with all the new additions where are we now?

  4. SaigonSun says:

    I have been a Cowgirl hater all my time as a football fan. Same goes for the Longhorns ( sorry E.T.)… but, it blows my mind how can Jeffcoat go undrafted? I didn’t watch any Texas (or Big 12) games this past year, and I haven’t seen him play. I just read he had few injuries in ’11 and ’12… maybe that’s why. His stats are better than OK for 2013. I mean, the football genes are there. His dad was a total beast; one of the reasons I started to hate the Cowgirls.
    Well, he is ours now and I’m glad about it. I hope he does well. He does need to beef up in the gym before the season starts.
    I think we got our “mini Clowney” for cheap.

  5. ChrisHolmes says:

    ” You could watch him two or three years ago playing against the Honey Badger, and the guy just had his hands full.”

    This is the kind of thing I love. When you see a kid in college in a one-on-one matchup and he takes it to a guy like the Honey Badger, that means more to me than a bunch of numbers at the combine or film against lesser opponents. That’s pretty cool that JS recalled that and it stuck with him about the kid. Neat quote.

    I like the FO’s thinking on a lot of these kids: overcoming obstacles. Because you know what? They’re going to have to overcome to make this already talented roster. Good trait to have if you’re going to be a Seahawk.

    And now we have, what, 4 QB/s for camp? Wilson, Jackson, Pryor and Price? Interesting to see how many they keep and if anyone goes to the PS.

    And Baily as a FA… wow. I’d say they did pretty well. We got 2 WR’s and 2 OL out of this draft, plus others. I’m looking forward to seeing how this plays out, but from my perspective, the got guys at positions they needed to have. We’ll have some competition on the OL and more bodies at receiver. I likey.

  6. Rubydog says:

    Looking at our draft as a whole, three traits stand out to me among our guys. Speed, toughness, and smarts. That is a winning combination. I think this will turn out to be an excellent draft.

  7. I like how the Duke Boy describes Biggie Smalls: “He’s super tough, plays really low, digs guys out.” I’m thinking to myself that him playing “low” must come naturally. :)

    Interesting that Mr. Happy has Bugly as more of a 3-tech guy over a 5. Not that I’m an expert except for looking at a piece of paper and seeing his measurements and video highlights.

  8. Looking at our draft picks, to me the story of the draft is that God lied to that young man from San Diego State. Hopefully we don’t have to deal with the wrath of Lord Rayel for not taking him.

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Kiper grades the Seahawks draft at a C+.

  10. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I give Kiper’s hair a C+ for style, but an A for longevity.

  11. ChrisHolmes says:

    To me, the key part of Kiper’s draft grade is this statement:

    ‘“There simply isn’t a better player development program in the NFL right now than Seattle’s,” Kiper wrote. “The players the Seahawks draft — the players I’ve spent many hours evaluating and making calls on — are often players that evolve, improve and become something new after Seattle drafts them.’

    I think Kiper knows you can’t grade Seattle’s picks yet. The biggest part of the story is what Seattle does after the guys are drafted. Seattle seems to understand how to evaluate a guy for a specific role, and to get the most out of a player based on his inherit skills.

  12. SandpointHawk says:

    Good news, when the draft experts give the Hawks bad grades it means we again drafted a bunch of future All Pros

  13. vichawkfan says:

    The WR room just got rrreeeeaallly competitive.

  14. montanamike2 says:

    Our weaknesses are becoming strengths. The only time we got a positive draft grade is after picking Curry. I thought we didn’t get all the known names but got gems and pearls instead.

  15. I think these WR additions are awesome. If you look at the guys we have coming back, about the only one I can think of as a guy NOT being an injury risk is Kearse.

    Baldwin basically has had one of this three pro years wiped due to injury to go along with having injuries in college.

    Rice is not Mr. Ironman. No explanations needed.

    See above comment for Harvin, Percy.

    Baldwin (most likely when he signs his 1 year tender) and Rice are scheduled to become FAs after the upcoming season.

    Wilson and possibly Wagner are going to get a bunch of money next off-season so cutting costs elsewhere (like WR) is going to be important.

    I didn’t think the drafting of Richardson necessarily meant the end for Lockette, but did after the conclusion of the fourth-round, my mind changed. Still, injuries happen and you never know who is going to get hurt by the time the season rolls around.

  16. chuck_easton says:

    Lockette can go be a 49r again and room with his BFF Kaepernick. He can even show off his SB ring to all his besties on the 9rs team.

  17. Ray_Maines says:

    Most of think the coaching staff can work magic at the CB position. Eric Pinkins, all 6’3″ & 220 lbs. of him, is going to test that theory and I wish him well. If he really steps up and takes the slot corner position that would put 18’6″ and 622 lbs. or cornerback on the field at the same time. Leagon of Boom would have to be spelled with all caps.

  18. Ray_Maines says:

    I don’t know what the DLine is going to look like but I’m feeling pretty good about the WR group, and “better” about the OLine.

    I was hoping for a TE in the draft. I guess I’m going to start tellin myself how good Anthony McCoy is.

  19. JS and PC aren’t planning on Pinkins as a nickel back, but as an outside corner–think Browner. That’s what they said…

    Besides which, Maxwell is going to get paid and it won’t be here, barring a miracle. So it makes a lot if sense to bring in some talent to season for a year…

  20. Also, if Kearse takes a big step up this year, Seattle will find it all but impossible to keep them both. Kearse may leave after the season, so finding not only a SE (Richardson), but a FL/slot guy to take over for Kearse makes a ton of sense(Norwood).

    I’ve been Kearses biggest and earliest supporter, and I want him here long term, but I know it’s not likely.

    And Lockette is still a bubble player, even though he’s become a stud ST player.

  21. Keep them both; Kearse and Baldwin.

  22. Ray_Maines says:

    I’m a total optimist, and in my dream world no Seahawk will ever be injured. Especially not Percy Harvin.

    As long as PH is healthy, Angry Doug is expendable. That’s why I think the ‘Hawks don’t really want to sign DB to a long term contract until PH proves he isn’t dependable. (As an aside: PH has had a string of totally seperate injuries, and I don’t really think he’s “injury prone”. His migraines are cured, his hip is fixed, …)

    Kearse and Harvin (by cap hit and potential) are keepers and so is the big kid from Alabama. Everybody else is on the bubble and nobody can be “X’ed” out just yet. Go ‘Hawks!

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:

    How does Baldwin basically have one year wiped out due to injury?
    He missed two games in 2012 with shoulder and ankle injuries but that is it.

    Baldwin has been very durable for us. Much more so than Rice.

    How many WRs, will come back to play the next week after taking a hit from the turf like this one?

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I agree with STTBM, keep both Baldwin & Kearse.

    They are the most dependable & durable WRs we have & they have proven to be big time clutch in the post season.

  25. SRVHawk says:

    Grading drafts at this point is beyond stupid. I’m sure at least Mike Mayock and Duke will agree with me.

    I hope that Muema kid gets the mental health assistance he apparently needs.

    I don’t get why many wanted the Hawks to draft a TE and many places listed it as an area of need. I’m personally more than comfortable with Miller, Willson, and McCoy. McCoy is a good all-around TE if healthy. And they may still add Finley if he can pass a physical.

  26. SandpointHawk says:

    You need to wait at least three years to grade a draft class. This ain’t tiddlywinks folks….

  27. Georgia – First of all, thank you for the civil response and disagreement to my response about Baldwin. There was a time a few months ago or even last year when you would have come out swinging. It’s fun to have debate when it’s civil. Thank you.

    My reasoning is that Baldwin had one of those rare rookie years in terms of making an impact. We probably don’t go to the Super Bowl this past year without Baldwin either.

    Other than that, I’ve seen the injuries he’s had in college that probably is the reason he didn’t get drafted and even though he missed only two games two years ago, one could definitely see he wasn’t the same player he was in his rookie season or this past year.

    Yes – the guy is tougher than nails, but when he gets hurt (and some wouldn’t even play through) it does hurt his production even if he’s on the field. And, yes, some of that blame could have been the fact that the offense was handcuffed a bit with Wilson being a rookie as well, too.

    With that being said, he’s one of my favorite Seahawks. He’s just not a “must sign” kind of guy and I fear we may lose him after the season. To be clear, I’d love nothing more than for him to resign but only at a reasonable deal.

  28. Ray_Maines says:

    Would somebody with a little time their hands please tell me how Paul Richadson and Percy Harvin are different. They are about the same size and equally fast, yet Richadson is a deep threat and PH isn’t. How does that work?

    Type slow and use small words so I can understand. I can get how PH may be a better (or worse) athlete, over all more co-ordenated, have better hand/eye co-ordination, have better body control, all that sort of thing, but how is Richadson a deep threat and PH isn’t?

    I remember reading that Jerry Rice wasn’t really all that fast, but he could come to a complete stop and get back up to full speed faster than anybody else on the planet and that made sense to me. But I really don’t understand the Harvin / Richardson thing.

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:


    You’re right, injuries did have some effect on Baldwin’s production in 2012, as did Wilson’s rookie year.

    I remember in the off season that year (before the Wilson/Flynn/Jackson competition started) Baldwin was down in Florida practicing & getting reps with Flynn.
    I think I heard around the same time that Rice was working out with Jackson in Minnesota.
    And it appeared that Tate was hooking up with Wilson.
    Plus I remember Carroll saying on occasion in 2012, (after the season started) that Wilson needed to get the ball to Rice more.

    In other words Baldwin & Wilson didn’t exactly have a lot of reps to develop much chemistry before the season started that year & when the season started Bevell wasn’t going to open up the play book for Wilson to pass much.

    Add to that some early season injuries, plus Wilson having the added responsibility of having to cater to Rice & Tater.
    It made for the perfect storm for Baldwin to have a mediocre, pedestrian year.

    Things started to change by the end of 2013 with Baldwin & Wilson’s chemistry & imo carried over to 2013.
    Now I think of all the WRs we have Baldwin & Kearse have the best chemistry with Wilson.

    It may not be that way down the road but it is huge for our passing game to have someone like Baldwin that Wilson can go to on those big third down plays. Especially in the big games.

    I know that the FO can’t afford him Tate money, however to me he is worth more than a one year 2.1 mil offer.
    3 mil a year long term extension or something similar isn’t going to break the bank for a young valuable hard working team leader that isn’t going to take possibly two years to develop like most rookie receivers do. Imo.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    And that’s about the longest post you will ever see from me.

    Quite frankly I don’t know how STTBM can spit out those long ones so fast.

    Must be a gift or a lot of coffee?


  31. Ray–I dont know how Harvin isnt a deep threat. He should be. And I havent watched Richardson play, but with 4.33 speed, he damn well should be a deep threat as well.

    I dont like the way RW throws deep balls; they always seem to slip when he releases the ball, and the WR almost always has to wait for the ball to catch up. What should be a pass that falls in the bread basket with no defender around, instead becomes a jump ball with the defender having a legit shot at it. Part of the problem is RW isnt that great at deep throws–no matter what the stats say–and part of the problem is that I believe he’s coached to throw deep balls as jump balls–the coaches would rather have a jump ball the WR has to wait on–and expect the WR to make the play–then have a throw thats off. I think its problematic to have smaller WR’s going deep when you have a deep passing game like that.

    Thats why I wanted Martavis Bryant so badly. Now he’s a Stealer–and therefore dead to me–and they say he may start. Gar!

    Georgia–when I have a full-size keyboard, I can type up to 50 wpm sometimes. Plus, Im a passionate Seahawks geek with an overly analytical mind run amok…thats how!

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