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Morning Links: A reset of the offseason

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on April 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm with 64 Comments »
April 7, 2014 12:30 pm

Good morning.

Let’s organize some of the offseason movement today. We are just more than a month from the draft, so, beginning tomorrow, we’ll shift into draft mode.

In the interim, a few things to go over:

Key dates

April 21: First day of voluntary workouts

May 8-10: NFL draft.

May 27-29, June 2-3, June 5, June 9-12: OTA offseason workouts

June 17-19: Mandatory mini-camp

Free agency tracker

Re-signed players:

— DE Michael Bennett (4 years, $28.5 million, $10 million guaranteed)

— TE Anthony McCoy (1 year, $1.35 million, all guaranteed)

— DT Tony McDaniel (2 years, $5.75 million, $1.25 million guaranteed)

— QB Tarvaris Jackson (1 year, $1.25 million, all guaranteed)

— PK Stephen Hauschka (3 years, $9.15 million, $3.35 million guaranteed)

Free agents signed by other teams:

— CB Brandon Browner (signed with New England, 3 years, $17 million, $1 million guarantee, the base salary for 2014)

— TE Kellen Davis (signed with the New York Giants, 1 year, $795,000, $15,000 guaranteed)

— RT Breno Giacomini, New York Jets (4 years, $18 million, $7 million guaranteed)

— S Chris Maragos, Philadelphia (3 years, $4.05 million, $1.5 million guaranteed)

— DT Clinton McDonald, Tampa Bay (4 years, $12 million, $4.75 million guaranteed)

— OL Paul McQuistan (signed with Cleveland, $1 year, $1.395 million, $750,000 guaranteed)

— WR Golden Tate, Detroit (5 years, $31 million, $10.5 million guaranteed)

— CB Walter Thurmond (signed with New York Giants, 1 year, $3.5 million, $2 million guaranteed, which included a $1 million signing bonus)

Players cut since end of season:

— DT Red Bryant (signed with Jacksonville, 4 years, $19 million, $5.255 million guaranteed)

— DE Chris Clemons (signed with Jacksonville, 4 years, $17.5 million, $4.475 million guaranteed)

— WR Sidney Rice (Remains unsigned. Rumors the Seahawks are interested. March 25, Rice tweeted that he is  “up and running.” Video of that here.)

Unsigned Seahawks free agents:

— FB Michael Robinson (Robinson has a lot of options outside of football. We’ll see if he returns to the game)

— LB O’Brien Schofield (Had a two-year deal with the Giants, before a failed physical voided it)

Free agents signed by Seahawks:

– WR Taylor Price (one year, $570,000, no guarantee, has to make team to be paid)

— OL Stephen Schilling (one year, $640,000, no guarantee)

— CB Phillip Adams (one year, $730,000)

— LS Jorgen Hus (three years: $420,000; $510,000; $600,000)

Seahawks upcoming draft picks:

First Round: No. 32

Second Round: No. 64

Third Round: Seattle traded this pick to the Vikings in the Percy Harvin deal.

Fourth Round: No. 132

Fifth Round: Two picks in this round. No. 146, which comes as part of the Matt Flynn trade to Oakland, and No. 172.

Sixth Round: No. 208

Seventh Round: No. 247

Other offseason news and notes:

— The day the Seahawks announced Pete Carroll’s extension, a source told the News Tribune that Seattle had not begun extension talks with Earl Thomas. That was last Thursday. I’d expect that to change shortly, if it hasn’t already. The Seahawks have repeatedly said their main pursuit is to keep their core together.

— Carroll has said during the offseason McDaniel will be used to replace Bryant as the five-technique defensive end.

— We detailed here how the Seahawks have to figure out where, and if, to spend money on their young linebackers.

— Tight end Jermichael Finley visited the Seahawks, but still has physical issues to resolve before joining any team.

— We saw the Seahawks be very conservative with their cap space and contract offers to all players during the offseason. It appears the only player they offered near-market value to was Bennett, who re-signed. They have $14,923,737 remaining in cap space, according to the NFLPA.

 

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  1. HawkfaninMT says:

    Finally… Some draft coverage! Being so quiet in the FA period (which is fine with me by the way), I am starving for some draft talk!

    Deep WR and OL draft it seems to me. Which aligns nicely with what the Hawks should be looking for.

  2. TallyHawk says:

    I could easily see them dropping back out of the first round and would almost be surprised if they didn’t. Especially if they could pick up a pick in the 3rd. Perhaps they could give up the 32nd to swap 2nd rd picks + a 3rd. They only have 7 picks right now so you know they will try to get more. 9 is the least amount they have had since PC and JS took over.

  3. HawkfaninMT says:

    DOubt they are able to move out of the first…

    A nice bonus to First round picks is that they are 5 yr contracts(team option) vs 4 year for the other round also.

    I know a fifth year of Sherman or Wilson at a small price would be worth more than an extra 3rd round pick

  4. yankinta says:

    TallyHawk,, That’s wishful thinking imo, although I am hoping for it as well. But I don’t think they’ll be able to trade down their 32nd pick since this draft is very deep that no one will want to give up any mid round picks. If anything teams will likely give up their 2015 picks to move up. Maybe that’s what JS/PC will do. I’m not sure if I will love it since we already have 4 compensatory picks coming next year.

    As for my dream scenario, I’d love to see…

    – 32nd overall pick – Joel Bitonio (T, Nevada)
    – 64th overall pick – Brandon Coleman (WR, Rutgers)

    I won’t jump out of my couch like I did when we picked RW with 75th overall in 2012 but I’ll be VERY happy, if we got these 2 guys… :)

  5. Southendzone says:

    A couple guys on the CBS sports draft page are projecting a trade out of 32 to JAX so they can jump up and grab a QB.

    This seems somewhat realistic to me but totally depends on how the draft is falling. There will be a bunch of teams that want a QB but can’t get Bortles, Manziel, or Bridgewater (Or maybe don’t even want them). so they are going to try and sneak into someone like Garoppolo or Carr later on.

    Cleveland, Oakland, Jacksonville, even Houston could all fall into this category.

  6. HawkfaninMT says:

    Anything is possible… I would argue that our asking price would probably be the same as SF, NE, Den,etc… they would probably trade to one of them before trading to us. Has the SB winner ever traded out of the 32 spot? Since the draft went to 3 days in particular?

  7. TallyHawk says:

    Maybe my scenario to pick up a 3rd is a dream but I don’t think trading out of the pick is. The fact that it’s a deep draft means players will drop meaning some teams will want to get back up to grab them. The hawks are short on total picks and will want to try to get as many more as possible.

  8. Based on the history of John Schneider and Pete Carroll, I think any conversations projecting draft order, potential trades, and who they could possibly pick, should be held in check. Otherwise, we all look like idiots– which might not be a stretch for some…including me.

  9. chuck_easton says:

    Anyone who posts to this blog that something draft related will/won’t/can/can’t happen while discussing the Seahawks must have a very short memory or just flew in from another planet.

    Only to things are givens with this team come draft weekend:

    1. Never say Never.
    2. Expect the Unexpected.

    This is the only way I can get through draft weekend and maintain any semblance of sanity.

  10. yankinta says:

    I love this Analysis on Coleman… :)

    “What’s the difference between Coleman and Kelvin Benjamin?”

    “Easy. Jameis Winston. Athletically there’s very little difference. Benjamin’s heavier (240lbs vs 225lbs), while Coleman ran a better forty (4.56 vs 4.61) and had more reps on the bench press (21 vs 13). But they had the same vertical (32.5 inches) and three cone (7.33). Benjamin has slightly longer arms (34 7/8 inches vs 34 inches). On tape you see similar positives and negatives. Neither player high points the football well enough and this’ll be a teaching point as a rookie. Both players have careless drops. And yet both players are just insane, incredible athletes with the potential to become dominating #1 receivers. One players is graded as a likely top-20 pick, the other is graded anywhere from rounds 2-4. And that brings me back to the main difference. Benjamin had a Heisman winning quarterback throwing darts against weak ACC defenses. Coleman had Gary Nova lobbing ducks in possibly the worst passing offense in the NCAA. Words cannot sufficiently describe how bad Rutgers were on offense last year.

    Here’s the bottom line — there just aren’t many humans like Brandon Coleman. He has devastating potential — how many 6-6, 225lbs receivers run away from secondary’s that include first round picks for an 80-yard touchdown scamper? If he lands on the right team — watch out. He could be another Josh Gordon.”

  11. wazzulander says:

    Yankinta – at some point you need to come up with a definitive list of the prospects you are going to say you predicted we’d draft – and limit it to less than 20 names. Because since the last draft it seems like you’ve named close to 80% of players eligible for this draft as someone you want or think we’ll draft, which sets up nicely for someone who likes to play the “I told you so” game post-draft. I’m sure this time you are cataloging the time/date of each “prediction” so that you can easily link to it and prove that you were right, like you were never able to do in the case of Russell Wilson…

  12. SaigonSun says:

    PC/JR are major buzz killers. Lol.Before them I used to enjoy being an armchair GM. Now, I know not to even try. Their choices will be better, no matter what.

  13. montanamike2 says:

    I agree Chuck, why bother predicting what the Hawks are gonna do in the Draft, they never do the predictable no matter what scenario you think. During the draft all i ever do is run to my computer and see who they picked and what he did. I’ve only picked 3 players that are with us and Okung and Thomas were no brainers. Wilson was just wishful thinking after seeing the Gruden interview, but i had no idea he’d be this good!

  14. montanamike2 says:

    Damn i type slow.

  15. yankinta says:

    wazzulander,, dude I’m not trying to predict what JS/PC are going to do. I just have my wish list and I’d like to see if that matches up with JS/PC thinking. I know I will love their draft no matter what but I will love it that much more, if they end up getting guys that are on my wish list,, Just Like and Especially the RW pick. :)

    And no, I do not have a wish list with 20 names on it. If you say otherwise, prove it!! what are the 20 names? smh…

    Here’s my wish list…for the first 2 rounds…

    Joel Bitonio (T, Nevada)
    Brandon Coleman (WR, Rutgers)
    Donte Moncrief (WR, Ole Miss)
    Martavis Bryant (WR, Clemson)
    Cody Latimer (WR, Indiana)
    Antonio Richardson (T, Tennessee)

  16. OK, Yankinta, I’ll bite…if Coleman is there in the second, I hope we nab him. That way, we can spend pick 32 on a RT and make many of us long-suffering fans happy…or at least relieved.

    I liked Benjamin, but he dropped too many passes, ran lazy routes, and just as they said–didnt high point the ball enough. I dont want to spend a first rounder on him, but some team will. So on to Coleman…

    I think we have a good chance of picking 2-3 Hawks picks this draft, as they once again have pressing needs–last year there were no pressing needs really…thats what made it so hard to guess.

    This year we need a big fast WR, a RT, and as usual a pass rushing DE since Irvin hasnt exactly panned out. A DT would be nice as well, and you know they will be looking for big fast DB’s as per usual…

  17. I just dont want to see a RT over 315 pounds drafted. Make those fat asses G’s–Bowie seems like a winner, Carp was a failure–but For the Love of All Thats Holy, give up on trying to make guys that big into RT’s! They cant do it! You must have the feet to keep up with 6′-6″ 270 lbs guys that run 4.7 40’s or better, and you cant do that at 330 plus pounds of flubber!

  18. freedom_X says:

    In a Pete Carroll offense, the right tackle had better be able to move someone off the line in the running game. A skinny pass protecting tackle might be great for a team that throws 60+ percent of the time, but that will kill a ground oriented offense.

    Ideally Seattle gets a Walter Jones who can do both, but more likely success is getting a excellent run blocker who is no worse than average as a pass blocker.

  19. SandpointHawk says:

    I give you our new right O tackle, filled with flubber….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB12zFalNeI

  20. HawkfaninMT says:

    Is this going to be SDB part 2 Yank?

    I can’t say I disagree with Bit/Cole start to the draft, but please give Kareem Martin or Smith in rd 4

  21. I watched Coleman play his entire college career. Great measurables but simply not a WR. Anything before the 5th round is a huge waste.

    I disagree about the whole “no one can figure out who Carroll will draft” thing. While no one specifically saw James Carpenter and Bruce Irvin, we all knew they were going to draft those positions. And let’s be real here, those are probably the worst 2 picks these guys made.

    A lot of guys on this blog saw Okung, Thomas, Wilson, Wagner, Turbin coming a mile away. Collectively, this blog has been an incredible draft resource over the years.

  22. pabs – I agree. We pretty much knew OL was going to be the pick in ’11 and that we were going with a pass rusher in ’12. Everything went like most predicted, except for who the team actually took which blew most everyone out of the water. Gabe Carimi, a fellow bust with Carpenter, was the sexy pick by many to go the Hawks in ’11, while guys like Melvin Ingram, Quinton Coples, and Whitney Mercilus were predicted to go to the Hawks (and I’m pretty sure that most people in the NFL would choose any of those three over Irvin if there could be a redraft today).

    It’s not a criticism of the regime in terms of their overall performance – just that it hasn’t been hard to figure out who they are going to take (it was also pretty obvious they wanted a LT was drafted in Okung a number of years ago).

    I’d say as things stand now that they are going to draft a WR or OT in the upcoming draft, although they don’t have obvious holes anymore like they had in the early drafts which makes it a little harder moving forward.

  23. Hmm 7 picks….Here’s how I see them going (in no particular order)…

    Two O-linemen, one tackle and one guard/tackle – Fairly obvious reasons.

    Two DB’s, one safety and one CB – We need safety depth for sure but I think losing Browner and Thurmond puts in a spot for needing more depth even with Lane and Simon.

    Two D-linemen – One run stuffing big guy and one edge rusher. Bennett and Avril work together SO well from the left side that I think we’re going to see the Hawks look for an edge rusher for the right and it may even be our 1st rounder. It will be interesting to see how teams want to match up our rush in that situation after all the strip sack fumble Avril created and how many times Bennett ended up with the ball in those situations.

    One WR – Likely a mid rounder with height, 6′ 2″ or taller. Think BMW but with better speed and (possibly better) work ethics.

    So no surprises considering our FA losses this off season. And I sure am looking forward to the compensatory picks we get next year. Could be some good mid-rounders.

  24. If you are going to talk about trading draft picks it helps to have a points chart in front of you: NFL Draft Value Chart – http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

    The Jags jumping from their second round pick to pick 32 in the 1rst is a difference of 40 points, just about equal to their top of the fifth round pick (41) points, so they trade their 2nd and 5th for Seattle’s 1rst round pick, if that’s what they were looking to do.

  25. HawkfaninMT says:

    My wish list now would be:
    1-Bitonio or Moses
    2-Coleman or Landry
    4- Kareem Marin
    5- Brandon Thomas, G, Clemson IR
    5- Jonathan Dowling, S Western Kentucky

  26. The Ideal trade is with the Jets or Miami: Pick #32 for their pick #49or#50 and #80or#81!

  27. rramstad says:

    Did not look at the Walter Football link, but there are those that believe that because rookies are now slotted into defined deals that the old point system is just flat out wrong. Rookies in general are more valuable now because they don’t cost much against the cap. They also don’t hold out for better deals. Having more picks = more rookies = better for your cap, most likely. Stockpiling picks is now a good strategy. In the past packaging picks to move up was occasionally a good idea. This practice now probably makes very little sense.

  28. rramstad says:

    Example: Osbrey, not to pick on you, but #32 gets a five year deal and the overall cost is pretty reasonable, even though it’s a first rounder. #49 or #50 is a four year deal. It probably makes very little sense to drop back a bit to pick up a third round pick when you might really kick yourself that your highest pick player becomes a free agent a year earlier than they would otherwise…

  29. If TE’s Amaro ann Jenkins drop out of the first round,the Jets or Miami will make that trade.

  30. surelyyoujest says:

    I don’t think there is any question JS would like to add some picks. He always seems to, and with that hole in the 3rd round I’m sure he’ll be looking for opportunities. It will be interesting as always to watch.

    I wouldn’t say Irvin is any sort of bust. Superstar yet ? No. But he played solid all year last year at a new position, so let’s see how he makes out this year if he plays LB again. He’s nothing like Mr. Curry, who is the definition of the word “bust”.

  31. Southendzone says:

    Here is a write up on 2 of the receivers that have been discussed above, moncreif and latimer. Fairly detailed and interesting.

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Prospect-Focus-Donte-Moncrief-and-Cody-Latimer.html

  32. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, What is SDB part 2???

    STTBM,, I hear you but if Joel Bitonio is gone before 32nd pick then I hope we can still get Martavis Bryant, Cody Latimer or Donte Moncrief (In that Order)…. if that happens I hope Antonio Richardson (T, Tennessee) is still there at 64th pick… :)

  33. HawkfaninMT says:

    SDB=SeahawksDraftBlog…

    Your list sounds as if you are basically regurgitating Rob’s picks. If it is actually how you feel that’s fine, and if it isn’t, that’s fine too. But I would give credit to the person feeding me my opinion, if it were me.

    Rob is the ONLY analyst I have come across stumping Bitonio for anything but the 2nd round. Most have him going late 2nd-4th even.

    I don’t watch enough film or tape disagree with you(Rob) about the opinion that Bitonio is a 1st round pick. I tend to agree with most of what Rob says. I feel like he is overvaluing the WRs a bit. I do not see 8-10 going in the first. But to each his own!

  34. HawkfaninMT says:

    And by “Benjamin” I meant Coleman! Why no edit button still?!?

  35. Macabrevity says:

    I’ll get in on this… looking into my crystal ball I see us passing on a few O-linemen in the first round, leaving fans as angry as they possibly can be given we’re still covered in the glow of the Lombardi. I see us going DE in round 1, and shocking everyone with a back-up QB in round 2 :P I have a feeling we let Cable get his next project late, and maybe even wait on WR unless the guy we like is sitting there when we’re up on day 1. Just my gut, but my preference would be O-line, early and often, with a WR, DE, maybe a LB or FS sprinkled in there.

  36. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, lol awww.. well you’re right. I do like some of his analysis. But I don’t completely agree with him. I have my own eyes and I always trust my own eyes.

    For example, Rob @ SeahawksDraftBlog doesn’t think highly of Antonio Richardson (T, Tennessee). I do. I think he could be a Steal and our Future Probowl RT.

    Another example, Rob @ SeahawksDraftBlog thinks very highly of Jarvis Landry (WR, LSU). I don’t. Need I say more?? :)

  37. Thomas to sign new deal this week. I wonder if we get Sherman deal also done. Just looked at a site that rated hawks off season a D-. Will they ever learn. Same guy thinks we may let our little secret walk next year. Horrible reporting.

  38. yankinta says:

    Why do I like Antonio Richardson (T, Tennessee)? Go and watch the game versus Jadeveon Clowney. He struggled a bit early but he was able to contain if not shut down Jadeveon Clowney in the second half.

    Of course, we shouldn’t look at just one game and fall in love. This is only one of the examples why I like him to be our 64th overall pick. :)

  39. HawkfaninMT says:

    http://seahawksdraftblog.com/updated-mock-draft-two-rounds-3rd-april

    In Rob’s latest Mock he has Richardson being drafted before our 2nd round pick. he may not think he is the top OT in the draft, but it seems pretty in line with your 2nd round projection

  40. yankinta says:

    ummmm dude,, that’s not really the same thing…. I doubt he’d want to draft Richardson with 64th pick, even if he lasted that long. But who cares, right? I have my wish list and he may have his wish list…. trying to discredit me with this is laughable… smh…

  41. HawkfaninMT says:

    I was simply saying that you should cite sources… I don’t think that is discrediting you. But your argument that Rob doesn’t think highly of Richardson while having him go at 54, then turning around and you saying he is a steal at 64 kinda makes it seem like Rob thinks more highly of him than you do.

    I actually agree with your/Rob’s Bitonio, Coleman, Bryant, type wish list. I do however think highly of Landry. I am an avid reader of Robs SDB. My only complaint is that Rob tends to get a little “man crushy” and over value players. Courtney Upshaw last year… Bitonio and Coleman this year. I see these as guys that will absolutely be on the board when the Hawks pick. Will they be the pick? Maybe, maybe not. But I definitely expect them to be there.

  42. Southendzone says:

    What do you guys think of Dee Ford or Kony Ealy with our 1st pick? Could either of them step in and fill the role vacated by Clemons?

  43. Singularitarian says:

    Actually in his article today, he says they worked out Richardson last week and that “They’ve also shown a desire to add big, hulking lineman. Antonio Richardson and Ja’wuan James both fit the bill” I like Rob Staton too, I just try not to plagiarize his work

  44. HawkfaninMT says:

    Seems like the value for DEs in this draft is going to be in the 4th/5th for the Hawks to me. If Marcus Smith, Jeffcoat, or Kennard(maybe) are around in the 4th it would be much better value.

  45. yankinta says:

    I was not trying cite sources, I was only saying I liked his Analysis on Coleman vs Kelvin Benjamin.

    Again,,, liking someone for your team versus think one player will go before your pick are two Different things…. For example, Marqise Lee WR USC, will go top 15 pick. Doesn’t mean I would love it or like our FO to get him if he was still around at 32nd pick…. If Marqise Lee lasted until 32nd pick, I’d trade out of the pick and get someone else from my wish list.

  46. HawkfaninMT says:

    Your example makes zero sense.

    Your assertion: “Rob does not think highly of Richardson.” He has Richardson going at #54. That is where he values him.

    Your statement: “Richardson would be a steal at #64.” Steal implies that the general consensus has him going later than 64(not the case), and you would take him at 64. 64 is where you value him.

    Rob values him at 54
    Yank values him at 64

    I do not see where there is any confusion here? You seem to value him at right around the same 2nd round level.

  47. doubledink says:

    We haven’t yet seen an all out, blogger-on-blogger blood-fest, flame on, word war this offseason. I’m sensing we are about due…

  48. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, it’s easy.. Let’s keep using Marqise Lee example…. Many people value him top 15 or 20. I agree with that valuation. Does not mean I would pick Marqise Lee within the first 20 picks. It’s just simply acknowledging that most people would.

    If I was doing a Mock Draft, Marqise Lee would go in the Top 20. Does it mean, I would pick him at 32nd if he fell??? NOOOOOOO Way,, smh…

    Mock Drafts are simply acknowledging where the might land. It has nothing to do with Wish List. smh…

    Now if you didn’t get that, I’m screwed because I don’t think I will ever be able to explain it to you…. :)

  49. Southendzone says:

    Ok Yank, by that you must mean that either:

    1) You draft for need over BPA
    2) There are other players who you have ranked HIGHER than Marquise Lee, but you expect to be available at 32.

    Otherwise it doesn’t make sense to say you agree with consensus that he’s a top 15-20 player, but you wouldn’t take him at 32.

  50. yankinta says:

    Southendzone, no it just simply means I’m not totally sold that he’s going to be a great player like 20 plus other teams are thinking….

    Would you take Marquise Lee if he fell to 32?? I wouldn’t. I would try to trade out of the pick knowing that 20 plus teams ranked him really high….

  51. HawkfaninMT says:

    Thank you Southendzone…

    Also in either case it does not dissuade from the fact that Yank and Rob both have Richardson ranked in the 2nd round. Whether you or he would take him anywhere is inconsequential. You are both on record saying he can/should, go in the 2nd round.

  52. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT, I give up. There’s no hope. You are right and I was wrong. You win and I lose. happy? smh…

  53. HawkfaninMT says:

    Yes I am happy that you can just admit you were wrong for a change.

    smh is right

  54. yankinta says:

    lol,, sure. whatever makes you happy. I’m sure Southendzone gets what’m saying though. Most people do/would….

  55. HawkfaninMT says:

    Yes I think SEZ get that you are wrong, and you are admitting it. I do not know how anyone could misunderstand that either.

    Do we need to explore how it works when you admit you are wrong and what that means now?

  56. Southendzone says:

    It’s only that you’re contradicting yourself right here:

    Post #1:

    “Many people value him top 15 or 20. I agree with that valuation.”

    Post #2: “it just simply means I’m not totally sold that he’s going to be a great player like 20 plus other teams are thinking”

    Either you agree with the top 20 valuation or you do not. Just pick one, it’s OK. I think perhaps you meant to add the word “don’t’ in your 1st post. Then your argument still makes sense.

  57. yankinta says:

    lol let me rephrase,, many people rank him top 15 or 20. I acknowledge that. I would not take him with 32nd overall pick….

    Mock Draft ranking Does Not EQUAL my valuation of those players….

  58. yankinta says:

    Look,, by the two of you’d logic,, I would need to take Blake if he fell to me at 32nd. Why would I spend my 1st rd pick on a QB, when I have a Top 3 QB?? Just cuz my Mock draft ranking says so??? smh

  59. Southendzone says:

    Ok now you are at least semi-consistent. Acknowledge doesn’t mean agree, so by restating it, there’s a bit of logic there.

    Acknowledging his valuation by others agreeing with the valuation by others. I think you are trying to say you disagree with the consensus valuation but for some reason won’t come out & do it.

    No reason not to, it seems like you do a lot of study on the college players, so come out and do it. Shout it from the mountaintops.

  60. yankinta says:

    lol sure,, it could be that or it could be you two are simply nip-picking… smh.. :)

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