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Tweet Link: Carroll on the challenge of repeating

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on March 26, 2014 at 11:17 am with 46 Comments »
March 26, 2014 3:36 pm

Here’s a link to video of Pete Carroll talking today in Orlando.

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  1. HawkfaninMT says:

    Could a coach have had a better mentor than John Wooden?

  2. I hope they don’t extend Thomas or Sherman this off season. Not good chemistry if one of them is making bank and the other not. Pay Thomas right after winning back to back superbowls :) and franchise Sherman. Then they’re both paid in the same timeframe.

  3. HawkfaninMT says:

    ET has already been making bank… They both understand the business side… I want them both extended yesterday!

  4. CDHawkFan says:

    My guess is that it, and possibly DB will all happen on the same day.

  5. TallyHawk says:

    Earl has already been making bank compared to Sherm. Let’s extend them both and lock them up for years.

  6. Ray_Maines says:

    Best Quote:

    “If a guy’s not having the best offseason of his life, he’s going to get beat out, I think. That’s kind of the way we roll.” PC

  7. Franchising Sherman over Thomas will cost millions more, as CBs have a higher number than guys who play S. That makes no sense from a financial standpoint.

    ET will have already made over $20 million whereas Sherman will have made a fraction of that. If you’re going to pay anyone to make it “right,” you pay Sherman and franchise ET.

    If you’re going to do it from a financial standpoint, you don’t resign the guy who will cost as much to franchise (again, ET becomes the “franchised” player).

    I’d like to see both of them extended this off-season so their is no either/or.

  8. Agreed, Bobbyk.

    We have the cap space to extend them, lets get this done.

  9. Southendzone says:

    you have to extend at least one of the two otherwise you could be up against rock and a hard place because you’re unable to franchise both of them next year if negotiations go bad

  10. The model with byrd is there ,just get it done! with ET.

  11. I absolutely want to see ET paid and kept as the centerpiece of the LOB for life.

    I’m also a huge Sherman fan, so I sort of hate the say this, but –

    I honestly don’t see the Seahawks paying Sherman All-Pro CB money, not when they have proven they can draft a new starting-caliber CB every single year. By the time Sherman asks for his money, the Seahawks will be stacked 6 deep at CB, and Sherman will get paid to go elsewhere.

  12. April,21 2014 OTA’S start, we have 68 players under contract. That means we have to sign 22 STREET free agents to reach a roster of 90 players. Any Idea’s ?

  13. grizindabox24 says:

    osbrey, I doubt the Hawks come anywhere close to 90 players until after the draft

  14. Southendzone says:

    I think they will re-sign Sherman, maybe franchise the 1st year if they can’t come to a deal.

    I disagree that the Hawks can replace Sherman since they have proven to be good at developing CB’s. There are good CB’s like WT3, Maxwell, etc, then there are elite talents like Sherman.

    He’s important to retain and very hard to replace.

  15. grizindabox24 says:

    IMO, ET will be the much easier extension.

  16. South, I’d be happy to be wrong about that and see them pay Sherman. Still, I’m amazed at all the good CBs they find and we haven’t seen the end of that yet.

  17. grizindabox24 says:

    Stevos, how do you know that “we haven’t seen the end of that yet”?

  18. Hey Griz, I never had a chance to respond to your last comment towards me. I think you misunderstood my meaning; I wasnt in any way grumpy with you or your opinion. To me, it appears possible that Sherm and ET’s camp are dragging their feet a bit, and want top dollar for their extensions. I also think it could be a good thing we didnt sign Allen for megabucks, as that money will ensure we can sign those guys plus RW.

    Some say we already had that ability, and that may be true; but more cap space to spend is always a good thing. Over the next couple years we will need to give several players a raise. This will help, going through at least one year with Clems and Tate’s salary off the books.

  19. Stevos–None have come close to the value of Sherman. Thurmond only panned out for one year–minus four games. Lane has yet to start for any length of time, though I believe in him. Maxwell took awhile, and we are one year from losing him, more than likely. After that, we just dont know. Its hard to imagine them endlessly finding Maxwells and Shermans. That would be like the Pats finding another Brady in the sixth for a compensatory pick. Not happening.

    Im looking forward to watching Shead and Simon (and Lane in the slot)in preseason almost as much as the G’s and the RT position…

    (And I promise, thats the last thing I say about the line for awhile)

    Gonna be interesting to see what Christine Michael does in preseason as well…

  20. Yep, we all love Sherman, and ET, and all our guys. Love em. I liked Sherman at Stanford. But hell, you’ve seen how this team works.

    Schneider’s job is to see the SALARY CAP is the real opponent, and they are determined to beat the opponent.

    Matt Hasselbeck, Leon Washington, Sidney Rice, Chris Clemmons, Red Bryant… all these guys were unique, irreplaceable, they were “our” guys.

    Well, they’re gone. Carroll and Schneider will win without them.

    And if Sherman insists on being paid $12M or 13M a year, he’ll be gone too. And they’ll win without him.

  21. none of the guys you mentioned were as good as their positions as Sherman and ET are at theirs. And none were in their prime at the time the question came, either. I agree w/you to a point, but certain players just aren’t replaceable, w/out losing the essence of the team that just brought you a SB win.

    I do think, as most of us do, that losing Red, Clem, Rice, Giac, and others, as well as keeping it tight on free agency, is all about keeping space to sign our three key guys.

  22. bsinnitt says:

    There’s a reason lock down corners are paid so much. We are fortunate to have Sherman. There’s not many corners capable of some of the plays he makes and thinking we can replace him easily is folly. I’m not saying break the bank but he definitely has earned a top dollar 2nd contract (top 3 money). I honestly don’t think it’s that risky either. He’s going to continue to be motivated whether he gets paid or not and he’s just entering his prime.

  23. ChrisHolmes says:

    It’s a giant numbers game, and you have to get inside it and understand all the variables.

    what it really comes down to is Effectiveness vs. Cost.

    This is why teams grade player performance.

    If you have player A, who grades at a 92% effectiveness at his position, and costs you $3 million per year, vs. Player B who grades at 99% effectiveness at the same position, yet costs you $15 million per year, is that extra 7% really worth $12 million per year?

    Now, if the difference in effectiveness is wider – say 80% vs. 99% – then the difference in pay starts to make more sense, and becomes more palatable.

    I’m sure JS and the FO guys have grades on everyone and all available players across the league. JS is working free agency like a guy who understands the cost of this stuff. What does your dollar actually buy you? A 15% bump in effectiveness? A 2% bump? A 50% bump?

    Seattle’s FO is going to try and maximize effectiveness within the constraints of the cap. If a guy’s salary demands don’t make sense and don’t fit within that structure, I’m sure they have no problem letting a guy go. Even Sherman, if it comes to that.

    That has been the Patriot Way (TM) for a decade or more now. When a guy’s salary doesn’t make sense for the effectiveness he provides as a position, you let him go, regardless of who he is. And it’s worked. They’ve had the only thing close to a “dynasty” in the last 15 years. Good for them.

    But I think we’re on that same track now.

    I hope Sherman and ET can be extended at rates that make sense for the team and for the value they bring to the team. I’m hopeful. And not breaking the bank on anyone in FA this year certainly puts them in position to do that.

  24. I agree w/ most everything you said Chris.

    I want to piggyback on a few things you mentioned and offer a few more points to consider.

    It’s true they evaluate every player for effectiveness, but there’s another level they need to consider at some point when grading play:
    clutch factor. Not only how effective a player is, but also when they are at the top of their game. Case in point – Sherm’s deflection in the NFCCG. His freakish reach and instincts built on a foundation of hours of tape study allowed him to make that play. How much is a play like that worth? Well, it got us into the Super Bowl, and we eventually ended up crushing our opponent. So even if Max grades out at 90% and Sherm at 99%, you could argue strongly that the difference between the two is still quite significant when you factor in the timeliness of Sherm’s plays and how he elevates his game at crucial moments of the game. ( think of 2012 playoff game at ATL, how many deflections and pass breakups he had covering elite WR Julio Jones and not-so elite Roddy White in that game, also.)
    I think JS/PC would put a premium on elite level play such as that.

    Another point to ponder. The Patriot Way has allowed them to sustain a high level of success for many years. I believe they are the model organization that JS wants to emulate in many respects (along with GB obviously) They’ve won their division most years and made it to many AFCCG’s and Super Bowls. But since they started letting their talent walk, they have not been able to seal the deal when they get there.

    When they won 3 out of 4 SB’s, they were operating from a model eerily similar to ours. Very strong to dominant on defense, with a good run game and a clutch QB that was still playing on his first contract from when they were drafted criminally low. I realize that players with chips on their shoulders almost always retain that grudge their entire careers, but you have to think that the motivation to succeed is strongest when the sting from the draft snub is freshest. It will be intriguing to see how JS navigates these uncharted waters in terms of maintaining the roster and managing the cap, and ultimately how we stack up in NFL history when all is said and done. I say we extend both ET and Sherm sometime this offseason. The JA deal falling through actually probably helped facilitate the negotiations a great deal.

  25. Southendzone says:

    Thought this was a funny take on the beats by Dre commercials by Daniel Tosh. Much better than the Kapernick version.

    If you’re easily offended, skip this video, no bad words, just a sensitive subject for some people.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq94liFIBRY

  26. Robin never calls the shots over Batman. It’s baffling to me that some think Schneider has the control that he doesn’t. Lil.

  27. So VMAC is the Batcave? Then where’s the Batmobile, lol?!

  28. CDHawkFan says:

    From Pete Carroll’s Wiki page;

    On the morning of January 9, 2010, Carroll reportedly came to agreement with the Seahawks on a 5-year contract that would appoint him as head coach.[70] He was officially hired as the Seahawks head coach on January 11.[45] He was also named executive vice president of football operations, effectively making him the Seahawks’ general manager as well. While the Seahawks have a general manager in John Schneider, he serves mainly in an advisory role to Carroll, who has the final say in football matters. In fact, Schneider was actually hired by Carroll—a rare case of the head coach hiring the general manager.

  29. Wow, South…I have to say, that is the LEAST funny comedy sketch Ive seen in a good long while. Thats pretty grim.

    Your still cool and all in my book though, no worries.

  30. Southendzone says:

    Yep, i know that bit isnt for everyone. My wife hates Tosh.0

  31. Ive always kinda liked him, just not this particular sketch. Oh well. My sense of humor isnt for everyone either…

  32. thursday says:

    You need to read that prototype article that came out when tate left. Sherm and ET are prototypes, no one else we’ve lost is. We can afford to lose them, but not those two. It’s not that they’re “our guys”, it’s that they’re better than most at their position and will noT be easily replaced.

  33. TallyHawk says:

    There are only so many players you can afford to keep. I get the impression that Sherm and ET truly love playing together and want to continue to do so. I could see them both along with RW taking a little, not a lot, less to keep as much of the team intact as possible because while the $ is important I think winning is too to them.
    The team in order to stay competitive over the long haul has to stay young and have a lot of the team on their rookie deals but outperforming them. That’s where they are now but many if those deals will be up in the next couple years. Golden was just the first unfortunately there will be more to leave.

  34. I am still highly worried about being able to continue to win with 30% or more of our money tied up in 3 players. If we have to pay these guys THE top salary for their positions, it will be VERY difficult to win in the play-offs every year.

    the more balanced teams are going to win, that is why Seattle won this season, they were the most balanced and complete. There is no sure things for next year. We could be 1st, 2nd or 3rd in our own division and still have a quality 10 wins.

    Time will tell.

  35. CDHawkFan says:

    My take is that I think ET loves playing with Kam more. I am sure he likes Sherm because he is good, but in all the video’s I have seen, Sherm is usually on his own. Sherm calls himself a Nerd and I am not sure he fits in on a personal level with the rest of the DB’s.

    Not saying they dislike him, just guessing that Kam and ET hang out together more than with Sherm…again, not saying they dislike him.

    Because Sherm is a little bit of a loner, I don’t see him offering a discount. I actually see him wanting the big lights of a big city, but I think the Hawks will pay-up and he will remain a Hawk because they can pay him a year before any other club.

  36. montanamike2 says:

    I think they stay reasonable so we can repeat, all 3 of them. They want to be Hawks for life and they are smart enough to keep the LOB together. Wilson won’t be asking 20 million a year like Kaep, i think Sherm and Thomas get good paydays but not break the bank.

  37. On the ride to the game, Sherm specifically pointed out that he sits next ET.

  38. montanamike2 says:

    When it comes time, i think Kam restructures for less with an extension.

  39. montanamike2 says:

    Maybe not.

  40. chuck_easton says:

    I am still most concerned about Sherm. How much is enough? Seattle can’t afford him at 15-16M. It would be a stretch at 12-13M. If the number is 10-11M they can probably do it.

    But will Sherman take 10-11M or will that be an insult to him as much as 5M was an insult to Tate?

    Time will tell, and I am very much hoping to be shown that I have misjudged Sherman. My concern is he told PC that he wanted to be known league wide and he set his plan to be ‘out there’ in play. He got what he wanted and he knew exactly what he was doing.

    He also wants to be known as the best CB in the game. As we all know of the NFL player mentality respect and standing are defined by one thing only…how much bank you are getting compared to the rest of the players at your position league wide.

    I have a bad feeling that All-Pro and/or Pro Bowl recognition won’t be enough. He will have to be paid top dollar.

    The only potential saving grace is the league realized that Revis’ 16M per was an anomaly and though he’s still the highest paid CB it’s at least down to 13M per…

    I’m guessing it will take 13+ to get Sherman to even sniff a new contract. I’m not sure that this team can pay Harvin 11.5, Wilson 18-20, Bennett 8, Okung 9.5, Thomas 8+, and Sherman 13+. That’s a whopping 60M tied up in 6 players. Only leaves 70-80M to spread out amongst the other 45 active players and 8 PS guys.

  41. I am HOPING that if market value is 16 Sherm would take 14ish with high upfront money

    for ET if Market is $12 he would take 10ish

    I truly believe that RW has no concerns at all to be the highest paid QB and would sign for around 14-15 mil and SAVE a TON for the team.

  42. Tate wasnt insulted by the Hawks final offer–it just wasnt good enough. He was insulted by their initial offer of 3.4 million per year. Which was insulting. They practically told him to leave.

    He obviously wanst doing as good a job as he (and myself) thought, or they’d have paid him.

    Sherm likely wants more than ET. ET likely wants to be the highest paid FS in the game. Byrd just signed for 9 million a year. I think thats about what ET is worth, Sherm obviously more due to the position he plays. Im just not sure JS and PC see it that way.

  43. tealskin says:

    Hard to accept that we may be seeing Sherman playing on another team, but there it is. RW is a must sign, ET, is close to it, and Sherman is less so. So much comes down to how much these players value the camaraderie etc. vs. the financial payout. We speculate but haven’t a clue. One thing for sure there are several different ways a FO can structure a contract to ameliorate for issues. As I understand it Revis had no guaranteed money in that anamolous 16 mil. contract, which is a big deal. Making much less with NE this year.

  44. Southendzone says:

    If they have to let Sherm leave, the way to do it is put the Non-Exclusive Franchise on him and work out a trade.

    Not likely to see any team give up 2 #1′s but I believe once the tag is on you can negotiate for any pick compensation you’re willing to accept.

  45. CD – If Earl means what he says, him saying “I love you bro” to Sherm before games should bode well for their chemistry. I don’t think there is any reason to worry about Sherm being a nerd and loner.

    Chuck, I agree w/ you that I am much more worried about our prospects of extending Sherm long term. If PC/JS had to choose between the 2, they would probably choose Earl because he’ll be slightly more affordable, and he probably means a little more to our defensive scheme and concepts. Earl being extended is a done deal, it’s just a matter of when. But I have some doubt about us locking Sherm up long term if we don’t extend him this offseason. If he gets too close to being an UFA, he may just say F it and decide to test the open market. After all, elite players rarely get to gauge their value as an UFA in their prime. He may want to get wined and dined and enjoy that attention that he gets. If he does that, he could make significantly more than what we may be able to offer, similar to Tate. My2CentsWorth.

  46. EzraMelech says:

    @CCVI

    Shame on you *Grin (kidding) for taking my closing moniker!

    My2Centsworth

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