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Morning Links: The young and the old

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Feb. 25, 2014 at 10:07 am with 63 Comments »
February 25, 2014 10:18 am

Good morning.

The Seahawks put out their season in review yesterday. Tons of tidbits in there. Here are a couple from them and me:

> Pete Carroll was the third-oldest coach to win the Super Bowl and the 53-man roster was the youngest winner in Super Bowl history.

CoachGameAge (years, days)
Tom Coughlin N.Y. Giants vs. New England (Super Bowl XLVI)65 years, 158 days
Dick Vermeil St. Louis vs. Tennessee (Super Bowl XXXIV)63, 92
Pete Carroll Seattle vs. Denver (Super Bowl XLVIII)62, 140
Weeb Ewbank N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore (Super Bowl III)61, 251
Tom Coughlin N.Y. Giants vs. New England (Super Bowl XLII)61, 156

TeamSeasonYears, days
Seattle 201326, 162
Green Bay201026, 260
Indianapolis 200626, 340
St. Louis 199927, 42
N.Y. Giants 200727, 53

How did those teams fare the next few seasons?

Green Bay was 15-1, then 11-5 and 8-7 (when quarterback Aaron Rodgers was hurt).

Indianapolis went 13-3, 12-4, then 14-2.

St. Louis was 10-6, 14-2, 7-9 (when Marc Bulger replaced Kurt Warner).

New York went 12-4, 8-8 and 10-6.

Twice teams from that group returned to the Super Bowl within the next three seasons: The Colts lost in 2009 and the Rams lost in 2001.

None of those teams had a quarterback as young as Russell Wilson, who was the third-youngest quarterback to win the Super Bowl. Even younger than Broadway Joe Namath at the guarantee game.

We’ll look at more stuff from the year in review during the week.

Links:

> John Clayton on Red Bryant and other possible cap casualties.

> ESPN’s top defensive play may not be what you think.

> ESPN has also moved on to the top offensive plays.

> Tim Kawakami says Jim Harbaugh has been the center of the storm before, and this is no different.

> Jerry Jones says DeMarcus Ware may not be a Cowboy next season because of the cap.

> Peter King wonders if Jadeveon Clowny is the next LT or on his way to Bustville.

> SI takes a look at the corners in the draft.

> The combine rolls on today with safeties and defensive backs.

> Russell Wilson was on the Dan Patrick Show this morning. It’s the third one down here.

Here’s one excerpt where he talks about Clowney:

> Just so you are aware, Wilson was also on two morning shows today with strong political leanings. I’m not going to promote either in this space. As Doug Baldwin said, you can Google it.

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  1. I saw Jerry Jones being interviewed on ESPN yesterday. It’s amazing how delusional he is. He was asked about the mediocre record and no playoff wins in the last 10 years, and he basically said he bought the team so he can do what he wants, and he recalled how great it was back in the 90′s when they had a bunch of draft picks because of the trade with the Vikings.
    Some people were critical of Paul Allen because he is “hands off” but we are so lucky he is that way and not at all like Jerry Jones.

    Wilson was on MSNBC and FOX.

  2. madpunter88 says:

    Did he say anything particularly political or partisan on either show?

  3. I saw both shows just now, and there was no political talk, other than RW asking Scarborough if he was going to run for President. And on FOX, Hasselbeck asked him about the guy who wants to ban gay players in the NFL. Wilson said he only cares about if a player is prepared and how he plays, he doesn’t care about his religion or ethnicity or anything else.

    Wilson is doing media to promote the MS Surface tablet.

    He also described himself as a “legal midget” on both shows. Referring to his height.

  4. There are two types of good owners: Football geniuses and non – football, hands off guys who hire the right people.

    There are two types of bad owners: non – football people who think they know football (Behring) and formerly good football people who refuse to face the fact that they no longer can do it (Al Davis and Jerry Jones).

  5. Southendzone says:

    I think I heard RW use the word midget before in a game or postgame environment. I think it’s one of those things you’re not supposed to say.

  6. Screensmoke says:

    Midget- Really? – shame on him – he is out of control!- fine is on the way !

  7. Terry Blount is getting killed in the comments at ESPN. A little harsh, but he does pretty much suck.

    Im glad we have it so good here with Dybas, and Eric before him.

  8. Southendzone says:

    Feel kinda bad for Terry Blount, he gets a bad rap from people on here but I heard him on 710 espn radio a couple times and he seems like a nice guy who has a good understanding of what’s going on at the Hawks facility.

    But taking the Houston pick 6 over the SF Sherman Tip is pretty egregious! I think the Sherman tip is the most iconic play in franchise history, so therefore by default it has to be the best defensive play this season.

  9. His opinion that the biggest play was Sherms pick doesnt bother me. I dont agree, but his point is well taken. That game made Seattle and its fans feel they could overcome any deficit, and made Sherm a star. It sort of “kicked the whole thing off, Boss” to borrow a BeastMode phrase. So its a good conversation starter.

    Much of the content he posts is dry, and seems lazy and disinterested. He also seemed clueless early in the season. He’s said a lot of stuff thats pretty silly and logically indefensible.

    But the comments are out of control. They act like he molested their kid sister or something…Lot of cowards hiding behind their computer.

  10. The Sherman tip is every bit as great as “The Catch.”

  11. HawkfaninMT says:

    Ha! I was just starting to wonder if I was the only one that thought Blount at ESPn was doing sub-par work over there! His ranking of the plays aside… Many of the other bloggers put out Morning Links, and there is ALWAYS new posts up about the Rams in particular on the NFL Nation NFC West page… Its crazy!

  12. doubledink says:

    the contrast after Sando would be striking for anyone, but I lost interest in that blog long ago.

  13. WilliamPercival says:

    Sherman’s Immaculate Deflection is at the top in our brief history.

  14. ChrisHolmes says:

    “The Sherman tip is every bit as great as “The Catch.””

    I agree. It’s iconic. And it send us to the Superbowl – same situation as 49ers vs. Dallas.

    Obviously it’s one of the greatest plays in Seahawks lore now, if not THE greatest.

    So much fun.

  15. HawkfaninMT says:

    Just chatting with a Niner fan I work with and I had an epipheny. I have admittedly been a little concerned with how the Hawks will be able to keep this player, or how cutting that player will affect the team, and the Niner guy was going on about how much talent the hawks will lose ala the ravens… Then it struck me…

    Just 4 years ago the hawks had nothing going for them, and PC/JS took over and they won a Super Bowl. Wouold I rather be in the position of “which player do I pay and keep?” or “How am I going to get any free agent to come play for us?”… Point being PC/JS took us to a Super Bowl when we had nothing, Now we have everything, and I am worried? Not anymore!

    They will do whats best for the team, and I love it!

  16. I actually disagree with myself.

    “The Tip” is a greater play than “The Catch.”

    “The Tip” single handedly ensured the Seahawks a Super Bowl berth.

    “The Catch” only gave the 49ers a lead. The 49ers defense had to make a stop because they Cowboys still had time to come back and win the game.

    “The Catch” was the spark that ignited a Dynasty in the Eighties.

    Lets hope “The Tip” has the same ignition powers.

  17. martygivens says:

    Todd – who cares if he’s on a “political show” just post the freaking link – it’s so pathetic not to. We come to this blog for info about our team and players not to have you decide what info you want to post or not post – if you agree or don’t agree with the political leanings of a show no one here cares (or at least I hope they don’t!). Guess what PTI on ESPN is often a “political show” (check out the talk about the “N” word yesterday) – are you not going to post that link?

  18. “The Tip” single handedly ensured the Seahawks a Super Bowl berth.

    Nice, Bobby! You should get an ESPN gig solely off the awesomeness of that line!

  19. Ray_Maines says:

    In a vaccume, I think the Beastquake TD run was the absolute, A -1, first place, greatest play in ‘Hawk history.

  20. jawpeace says:

    Thanks GeorgiaHawk for the links.

    I am SUPER curious on how much RW is getting paid to endorse Micro Soft surface tablet. We all know Paul Allen is one of the big owners of Micro Soft. So he can say I want to have this foot ball star endorse us and we are going to pay him this much to do it. Look years back, Nike paid Michel Vick (before his dog killing days) over 100 million to endorse Nike.
    What is Micro Soft paying RW? It is kind of uncharted waters as the owner of the Hawks also owns Micro Soft. I am sure some(whiner fans) are going to cry foul that Wilson is being paid extra. But who are they to tell a company what they can pay for endorsement from a star.

  21. rramstad says:

    Jaws, Paul has very little connection to Microsoft at this point.

  22. FleaFlicker says:

    HawkfaninMT: I think your Niner co-worker is looking at it all wrong. Ravens had a number of aging guys (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc.) who were barely able to make it through the season. We’re the YOUNGEST team to ever win a Super Bowl. And throw in the blockbuster Flacco contract to boot, a cap problem we won’t have to confront for at least two more years.

    Ask your Niner pal how many snaps the entire draft class of 2012 played for San Fran. I believe as late as week 7 last year, the answer to that question was zero. Last year, we had a QB, OG, and a DE starting as rookies. This year we had two rookies (late rounders, no less) starting multiple games on our line. Harbaugh is riding the talent acquired before he ever got there.

    Then ask him if he’d ever heard of our back-up LB (at the beginning of the season) named Malcolm Smith. Or another back-up at CB named Byron Maxwell that had five picks in seven starts.

    This team is deep. Draft picks like Christine Michael, Gregg Scruggs, Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams….those guys were drafted to fill in the holes as PC/JS pick and choose who to keep in free agency. 2013 draft mans the 2014/2015/2016 roster. And likewise this year. As RW said at the conclusion of the parade: “To win multiple Super Bowls, you have to win your first.” Check.

  23. SandpointHawk says:

    Paul Allen still has an estimated two billion in Microsoft stock. No big deal for billionaires like us….

  24. trout_hound says:

    I’m sure its no coincidence there’s a link between Microsoft and our boys. Wonder if Wilson paid for all those XBox Ones he handed out to his team mates out of his own pocket?

  25. “Immaculate Deflection”, nice.

  26. Southendzone says:

    RayMaine, that is a great argument right there. Beastquake has a legitimate argument as top play ever up with the tip.

    Right now I’m sticking with the tip. Because of the gravity of the game and the situation. SF is such a bitter rival, for them to have beaten us in that game would have been BEYOND soul crushing. That was only 1st down and SF had 2 TO’s left. They would have almost certainly got 3 more chances at the win without that stop. That’s maybe a 50/50 chance to win the game.

    The Tip was pure exhileration combined with relief. Beastquake in itself was a more magnificent play, but the importance wasn’t even in the same discussion as the Tip.

  27. How cool is it that we have great plays with names? We have stuff of legends.

  28. Southendzone says:

    Lol, the jets have the buttfumble!

  29. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia- As I lay here recovering from knee surgery, and the remote has inexplicably been left in the kitchen, that Eisen link was much appreciated. Lol

    And I have to agree with marrygivens. Todd, if the vast majority of your content is simply going to be posting links, then you ought not discriminate which links you post or do not post. That is, if you’re not comfortable with Fox’s and MSNBC’s politics (which are totally juxt opposed, BTW, and would have balanced one another) then don’t mention it at all.

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Ditto Dukes agreement with martygivens.

    And best wishes for a speedy recovery Duke.

  31. You folks bitching about Dybas comment need to get a life. Y’all sound like butthurt Right Wingers who cant stand to have the bogus “facts” a certain network trots out shown to be BS. And I know you arent all Right Wingers.

    Im with Dybas; I want to know if an interview has crapola about politics in it, cause then Im skipping it.

  32. And dont say I have an ax to grind with the Right; Sluggo is self-proclaimed as one, and Ive been happily chatting and arguing with him across several blogs and quite a few years.

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Did you actually read all of Dukes post STTBM?
    Did you actually watch the two video interviews of Wilson from Fox and MSNBC?
    There was nothing political at all in those interviews that could possibly get you are Todds panties in a wad.

  34. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “or”

  35. Georgia–The point is folks freaked out because Todd mentioned politics was involved in the link. Rightly or wrongly, he doesnt deserve to get lambasted for it.

  36. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Todd did not specifically say that politics was mentioned in the Wilson interview links.

    And he wasn’t lambasted either. He was challenged.

    Those were very good interviews that deserved to be put into the morning links imo.
    As a blogger that has been criticized for kissing up to Todd,(especially by your buddy Sluggo) on several occasions because I defended him when he first started here, I can’t defend him on this one.
    Sorry, Todds a big boy, he can take it.

    One criticism of Todd does not define his overall body of work STTBM.

  37. Dukeshire says:

    STTBM – I didn’t freak out. But why is posting FIX Sports links acceptable but not a FOX News program? Same entity. And same goes for the NBC family of networks. In any case, I found it odd.

    Georgia – Thanks for the good wishes.

  38. Dukeshire says:

    I see too where Wilson interviewed with Charlie Rose. Look forward to that airing.

  39. Todd Dybas says:

    Hey, folks.

    A couple quick things.

    The links put in the post actually are at my discretion. I try to keep it to football information/stories as much as possible, and good football information at that (you’ll recall some of the disgruntled commenters in this thread were the same people irritated with things like “power rankings.” I agreed with them, hence we never saw them again).

    The only reason I acknowledged those appearances is because it was mentioned in the comments yesterday. If someone came wondering about it, I wanted to mention that it wasn’t here, but easy to find. Obviously, mentioning it was an error on my part.

    Wilson is on Charlie Rose tonight. Hopefully, that will have some substance.

    Duke, the “vast majority” of my work goes in the newspaper. Hopefully, you subscribe to it in digital form.

    Thanks.

    Todd

  40. martygivens says:

    “You folks bitching about Dybas comment need to get a life. Y’all sound like butthurt Right Wingers who cant stand to have the bogus “facts” a certain network trots out shown to be BS. And I know you arent all Right Wingers.”

    Stupid comment IMHO – if a player is on a show put a link to it! Who cares what the political leaning of the show is? No one – except Todd and STTBM of whatever his name is.

    We’re all big boys and girls here – we can handle it. Don’t choose which links to post – post them all!

  41. Ray_Maines says:

    Dukeshire: What’s up with the knee, pal? Replacement? Torn meniscus? Get well soon.

    Take your pain meds. You aren’t going to become a crack dealer for using Vicodin.

  42. Maybe this will keep you guys busy for a while. It’s a mock draft simulator site. Keep doing them and then send them all to Dukeshire during his recovery. He loves this $h!t so it should help speed things along. Get well D.

    http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/

  43. Please don’t let it be a “golfing” injury. Then we know you’re over 40. Might as well make up a cool story to make it sound cool.

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Here is something else to keep us busy-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWOsfTLAiYQ

  45. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Galena- Duke is well over 40. He’s an old fart like me.

    I remember when I turned 40 my mother said to me that “you know, you are now middle aged”.

  46. My off-season wish list:

    1. Keep Miller, Big Red, and Clem but at a more cap friendly deal than they are currently scheduled to earn.

    2. Sign Sherm and ET to extentions that will ensure they are enshrined in Canton as Seahawks.

    3. If there is money enough to sign Bennett and Tate, great, but if it doesn’t happen after Sherm/ET were paid… then that’s business.

    4. Draft a big WR or OT in the 1st round and for them to be more like Okung/ET as opposed to Carp/Irvin in terms of being a worthwhile first rounder.

    5. Find a Kam Chancellor or Richard Sherman type of talent in the fifth round.

    6. To win an all expense paid vacation to hang out with Michael Bowie for a day in Egypt so we can check out the pyramids together. I’m too chicken to visit the Middle East myself, but with Michael Bowie with me… I’d fear nobody.

    7. End next season the same as last month… to win another Super Bowl.

  47. I’m also past the great number. Funny thing is only my body understands that. The rest of me just doesn’t get it.

    Here’s my first Seahawks’ draft as GM on the mock simulator. I will post these every hour until the actual day of the draft.

    32
    G XAVIER SU’A-FILO
    UCLA
    64
    OT JACK MEWHORT
    OHIO STATE
    128
    DT CARAUN REID
    PRINCETON
    134
    CB KEITH MCGILL
    UTAH
    160
    DE JOSH MAURO
    STANFORD
    192
    WR CODY HOFFMAN
    BYU
    224
    G SPENCER LONG
    NEBRASKA

  48. While I think Carp is a full fledged bust, I do not think that about Irvin.

    Looks like Bruuuce is going to play some LB and Leo in ’14:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7515/bruce-irvin

  49. Hey BobbyK I know you mentioned something about 1st round picks being under club control for an extra year. As far as I can tell that is not the case. Irvin, Wagner and RW will all be UFAs in 2016 according to spotrac.

  50. Ray_Maines says:

    So there we were, in the jungles of Central America hopelessly out numbered by the enemy. A 50 caliber shot bounced off of Dukes kneecap and scratched my arm. I saw my own blood and passed out. Duke drug my limp body for miles fighting off starvation and jungle fever until we reached an uncharted CIA outpost where he repaired a previously downed helicopter using nothing more than sharpened animal bones, then flew us over enemy lines to the safety of a small row boat anchored miles off shore. Three weeks later we were in Mexico where the $hit really hit the fan. After nursing me back to health, Duke started an orphanage and is just now having that old war wound attended to. Over 30,000 underprivileged children and I owe our lives to Dukeshire. We love ya, man. Get well soon.

  51. There. Now that’s what I’m talkin’ bout! A real life hero.

    That just triggered a memory of the NFC Title game. It really took me about 7 replays before I “saw” Bowman’s knee collapse. OHHHHH GAWWWWD. That’s one of those sights that hurts everyone who’s watching.

  52. emperorzook says:

    Hey Ray – Where can I get a case of what you’re drinking!

    Get well Soon, Duke!

  53. Dukeshire says:

    Ray- ACL reconstruction and meniscus repair. Took an awkward fall rock climbing.

    Todd – My “vast majority” comment was reference to the blog. I do not subscribe digitally, nor will I. I do however click on the ads here, on home and work computers several times a day. Regardless, continue to make this blog your own, and provide whatever content you like. But like each of those before you, there will be praise and criticism alike. The great thing both Eric and Sando did was to create a platform for information that they themselves would like to see if they were on our end. Anyway…

  54. Dukeshire says:

    emperorzook – Thanks, man.

  55. DiegoHusky says:

    Looks like Clowney needs to take a couple nice south Florida weekend nights while he is at his pre-pro day training and watch some Kam Chancellor tape. Bam Bam tape may be able to show young J the difference an enforcer makes on the NFL field and how much fun he could have. Don’t think he has made it to that realization. That type of player is fun to watch and immediately earns the respect of his peers and fans. I am a Seahawks fan but I like to see athletic marvels, and he has the potential to be one.

  56. DiegoHusky says:

    Also, was lucky enough to tape the combine workouts today and watch them after work. Saw a lot of talented kids – both at CB and safety. Seemed like all these kids were track stars – speed demons; many at great size as well. Although I am a Dawg I have to mention the S from WSU- D. Buchanon, he looks like a Seahawks type player – Kam mini (tough and aggressive), would not minds him on our roster. Don’t be surprised if the Hawks are able to snag a good player in the secondary this draft whether it would be a S backup or corner as insurance. As everyone is well aware of, we can pick secondary talent, and this is a good draft for that. I think the Seahawks will pick the best player available from WR, DL, OL as far as 1 and 2.

  57. Wilson had a great in depth interview on Charlie Rose. Almost 40min worth. He finished it talking about a 15yr old kid at one of his QB camps that thanked him for his inspiration. Thanked him for the opportunity.
    The kids parents were hardly ever present in his life, beat him up at home & told him that he wouldn’t be going to college IF he ever graduated HS. The kid said after all of the positive things he learned that day – I believe I can be like you one day.. Russ told him ‘Why Not You’..

  58. martygivens says:

    Hey Todd – just a quick update; every show on ESPN today was political! And they were all stupidly about this Arizona bill – it doesn’t discriminate against anyone it just allows people to use their religious beliefs as a point of reference in a lawsuit (and it’s a stupid bill that should be vetoed because the idea already exists) – anyway – my point being that in your view I guess you shouldn’t post links to Seahawks players on ESPN anymore.

    And no I won’t let this die until you say you’ll post all the links you know about for our players! ;)

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