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Snap counts vs. San Francisco

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Jan. 21, 2014 at 11:16 am with 97 Comments »
January 21, 2014 11:16 am

Back rotating at left guard, James Carpenter and Paul McQuistan had an even split of the work, each playing 50 percent of the snaps. Alvin Bailey was in on 26 percent of the snaps, meaning the Seahawks went with a jumbo package of sorts for more than a quarter of the game.

Bruce Irvin’s playing time has fluctuated in the second half of the season and was way down against San Francisco.

Week 9 vs. Tampa Bay: 74 percent
Week 10 vs. Atlanta: 59 percent
Week 11 vs. Minnesota: 50 percent
Week 13 vs. New Orleans: 43 percent
Week 14 vs. San Francisco: 65 percent (K.J. Wright gets hurt)
Week 15 vs. NYG: 65 percent
Week 16 vs. Arizona: 71 percent
Week 17 vs. St. Louis: 66 percent
Division playoff vs. Saints: 57 percent
NFC title game: 42 percent

We’ll also include San Francisco this week to take a look at how it does things.

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  1. I sure like what we’ve seen from Bailey and Bowie of late. Cheers to the shotgun method of mining for talent.

  2. Should these guys just trade each year’s 1st round pick for Ten 5-6 rounders each year?

    After Carroll drafted Earl Thomas, he made it a point to say they seriously considered drafting Jimmy Clausen with that pick. He said it enough for me to think he was serious. That’s the only 1st round pick they’ve made that has played WELL ABOVE the draft position. Okung due to injuries is probably equivalent to his draft position.

  3. freedom_X says:

    Bruce Irvin still has a lot to learn. He’s actually made a number of saving tackles that prevented scores or gigantic gains because of his athleticism (he was the guy that finally tackled Kaepernick on the 58 yarder.) But it’s unreasonable to expect he would be a good all-around LB this soon.

    Carpenter is the only dud 1st rounder they’ve picked, so I think the conclusion that Seattle can’t get talent with their 1st round pick is premature.

  4. Southendzone says:

    Todd: You always post the snap counts in a picture style format. Is there content anywhere that has these in a table format? I’m considering trying to dump it into excel and the picture format makes it rough.


  5. I would say –
    * Okung – performing at his draft level
    * Thomas – performing at a level above 2 First Overall draft picks
    * Carpenter – performing well below his level
    * Bruce Irvin – performing below his level (but not much below)
    * Percy Harvin – so far performing well below his level

  6. FleaFlicker says:

    Reposting this from last thread….

    For all the critcism we’ve heaped on Bevel during the year, I’d encourage everybody to go back to 12:06 in the 3rd quarter (start of our tying drive) and watch #78 Alvin Bailey who kept reporting as eligible to be the third TE. Two tremendous blocks in the second level:
    –First one on Bowman to clear the lane for Marshawn’s initial 12 yard run
    –Second one on the safety trying to get after Marshawn, the key block that allowed #24 to redirect right and rumble for six

    Certainly, some physical talent on display, but scheme-wise it was a brilliant answer to the SF game plan by bringing in an extra big man. Hat tip to Bevel (possibly the first one on this blog).

  7. Dukeshire says:

    For those of you like me looking for actual football as opposed to the silliness of the Sherman talk, Sr Bowl practice is on NFL Nerwork.

  8. WiscCory says:

    Duke, any idea where can I find this silly Sherman talk you speak of? Has he been in the news lately?

  9. @pabuwal although I agree with your bottom line, how does a first rounder play “well above” his draft position? Is there a Round 0 we don’t know about.

  10. chuck_easton says:


    Since I’m at work can you report on any player that catches your eye? The practices are more informative than the actual game.

    I can’t believe A. J. McCarron from Alabama blew off the Senior Bowl because he thinks he’s already a guaranteed 1st rounder and doesn’t need to prove he’s an NFL ready QB.

    Kid got some bad advice from an agent and he’s going to be sadly dissappointed come the draft.

  11. In my eyes Earl Thomas is the next Seahawks Hall of Famer. That’s what I call playing above your draft position.

  12. And Sherman of course, but this discussion was about 1st rounders.

  13. chuck_easton says:


    Taken 14th overall in the 1st round as opposed to being taken in the top 10 or so.

    Remember Thomas was the last draft class prior to the new CBA and a drop in draft position from the top 10 would have cost him millions on his rookie contract.

    This is why Thomas will be getting a raise shortly.

  14. Ask the 49ers fans if they want to complain about no flag given on the Jeremey Lane hit. Even more meaningful was he could have recovered that fumble had he been there. That would have been 3 points for Seattle. Even worse the 49ers scored a TD on that drive.

  15. freedom_X says:

    I think if you’re expecting any front office to be 4 for 5 on 1st rounders (i.e. performing “above draft level”) then you’re overestimating what is possible. Especially since, as most people say, it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft.

    For Percy Harvin’s career, he is well worth his draft position. He’s not this year, but then that’s like saying Adrian Peterson underperformed the year he blew out his knee. It’s still too soon to judge whether Irvin and Harvin were good deals, if you want to count Harvin as a draft pick instead of a veteran trade.

    If a F/O hits on 50% of their 1st rounders (get above average to excellent starters) they’re doing all right. Remember that Seattle’s been picking lower and lower in the draft every year. Thus, the players they pick in the 1st round will be either riskier, or have less upside. I tend to think Seattle will prefer to gamble on upside instead of safe and solid.

  16. banosser says:

    @ feedom X: “Bruce Irvin still has a lot to learn. He’s actually made a number of saving tackles that prevented scores or gigantic gains because of his athleticism (he was the guy that finally tackled Kaepernick on the 58 yarder.) But it’s unreasonable to expect he would be a good all-around LB this soon.”

    Actually it was Kam who chased Kap down on that long run.. he showed unbelievable speed running him down from behind when Kap had no one in front of him… And it was Irvin who bit hard inside on the naked boot by Kap taking himself completely out of the play (leaving Maxwell alone to shed the block and chase him ob) allowing the 22 yd gain down to the Sea 28 which ended 2 plays later on the TD to Boldin..

  17. chuck_easton says:

    Harvin counts as a draft pick because that is what the team gave up to acquire him.

    I know this is going back to the ‘bad old days’ but the same justification was made by the then FO when they traded a 1st rounder for Branch. The statement from the FO was ‘you know what you are getting in a proven player like Branch where you could miss even in the 1st round of the draft’.

    That is what the FO did with Harvin. The tought was he was a proven commodity where a 1st rounder might have been a bust. So far that gamble was a loser, but time will tell how the Harvin trade ends up. Just like you can’t look at a draft choice’s rookie season and say it was a successful or bad pick.

    Example: Vince Young 1st rounder. OROY. Pro-bowl 2nd year. Looked like a homerun of a 1st round pick. How’s that looking now?

    Example: Troy Aikman 1st rounder. Rookie season finished 1-15. Didn’t look so great. Now he wears that yellow jacket every year at the HOF ceremonies.

  18. Pete and John have not been perfect with every decision or draft pick. But we do like the overall results don’t we?

    Carroll is ahead of where Holmgren was after the same number of years. What else can we ask for?

    Some of you are on constant “bust watch” as if you are eager to declare a draft pick a failure, so you can….can what? Call for someone to be fired? What do you want? An apology?

    We are in the Superbowl because of what our current leadership has done since Carroll got here. Some wasted money and draft picks are certainly a bummer. But the Seahawks are doing better now than they ever have before. That is the bottom line.

    /rant off

    It was indeed Chancellor that caught Kap from behind. He showed a lot of speed. It looked like everyone else had decided he was going to score and had given up.

  19. Going to be in London for the game; hoping to find other Seahawk fans

  20. For those looking for SB tickets, if you are having trouble, let me know and I can point you in the direction of a broker I use here in the NYC area.

  21. thursday says:

    Very impressed with Kam in that game actually.

  22. Wow…I just got the Seahawks and 2.5 points (even money). All the early money was going to Denver…I feel like I got a gift from Vegas, pretty rare when you feel that. Seahawk fans should bet early, no way that point line is staying there for two weeks. It’s like getting a free gift with Seahawks betting right now…Bronco money was cocky. They are going to be very bitter when they bite it.

  23. Technically, the Seahawks have had three first round picks in the first half of the first round of the five total first round picks Mr. Happy and the Duke Boy have had.

    Okung was a #6 pick, ET was #14, and the year we took Irvin with the #15 pick, we had actually traded down on draft day and originally had the #12 pick.

  24. If Harvin counts as our draft pick/s does that mean we have to wait 3 years to grade him? Not serious. If we win the Big One then I’ll feel that the trade for PH was worth it regardless of his production. Why? Because a championship is always the goal. Individual stats, awards, rants, media, perceptions, popcorn bandits etc. matter not in the big picture. Win it all!

  25. For those of you who wanted “in” with respect to the letter in the three SF papers… do you still feel the same?

    I wish Bowman no ill-will and I’m not happy he got hurt the way he did but this link mocarob posted last night has me okay with NOT going through with it. I think this is more uncalled for than what Sherman did:

  26. Southendzone says:

    Harvin talk is back? Ok then.

    Insta-Poll: Go back to the trade with this knowledge laid out:

    Door #1, you have Harvin who plays in 2 games between Sep.13 and Jan.14, but he’s going to be a full go for our 2nd Superbowl ever.

    Door #2, you have let’s say Cordarelle Patterson and significant cap freedom next year comparative to this.

    All the way up to now, I think there’s a strong argument for #2, but now? Aren’t you happy as hell to have Harvin on the squad for our biggest game ever?

  27. doubledink says:

    I am willing to support the move if the decision is to go with it, but I’m ok if you don’t.

    There were a lot of red shirts at that tunnel tho…

  28. WiscCory says:

    “And it was Irvin who bit hard inside on the naked boot by Kap taking himself completely out of the play ”

    Banosser – thanks. I’ve been wanting to post my thoughts on that observation, too, however haven’t found the time the past couple of days.

  29. Avril sure makes the most of his snaps. He’s much faster than I though he’d be.

    Remind me anyone who knows, do we have him signed for next year, or was he a one-year deal?

  30. Dukeshire says:

    I wasn’t aware that this is how it went down. I thought it was Carroll’s decision.

  31. Dukeshire says:

    pdway – 2 year deal.

  32. WiscCory says:

    BobbyK – I’ve also wanted to chime in on the group effort for a newspaper add.

    I thinks it’s very noble of you and the others that started that campaign. However I fully agree with GeorgiaHawk that it won’t have the impact you’d like.

    Also, who cares about what the SF fans think? Really! There isn’t much of anything that will change their mindset, IMO. I think you’d be wasting the $ you collect, and more importantly the time you’re investing in this.

    A dumba$$ fan threw popcorn onto a 300 pound stud of a man. Do you think that really was a big deal? I also feel terrible about Bowman, and think that particular fan should lose his ticket rights. (personally, I talked to a couple SF fans I know to express my condolances and wishes of quick recovery).

    Last season, a lady commented in a publication how her young teenage son was verbally attached by a couple idiot Seahawk fans. What about her? I have a friend who was at the Fail Mary game last year, and some Seahawk fan tailgaiters were extremely crude in a sexual way. What about her? We can only do so much to cover the dumbasses in our communities.

    Every team has good fans and idiot fans. Anyone with common sense knows that. Most SF fans will think they way they currently do, regardless of your noble endeaver.

    I’m rambling now, however think you’d be better suited focusing on getting a message directly to Bowman to show support. I’m sure there are e-mail or US Mail avenues to accomplish that. Or, spend $5 on a “classified add” in said SF papers, and that could also accomplish what you want.

    Save your time and money. It won’t have the impact you’re hoping for, IMO, other than making yourself feel a little better about it.

    Just my take.

  33. BobbyK, I haven’t chimed in yet regarding the “message” yet but here’s how I feel. I don’t root for injuries. As a fellow human being I hope that both guys heal. As a Seahawks fan watching a player from a rival team that I despise ripping up a fan’s sign, he can go phuck himself. The area around the tunnel looked pretty red to me other than one guy down in the corner who may have been the popcorn bandito. Any chance he remembered the sign terror as he was carted off the field? Probably. So if we are going to send a get well card maybe it should read something like this:

    “Thanks for providing such a challenging and emotionally charged NFC Championship game. Hats off to your team, ya’ll played your hearts out and we, as fans of your bitter rivals respect that. To your injured we have this to say. Mike Iupati, you are one of the best OGs in the NFL, we hope you have a full recovery and decide as a future free agent that the Bay Area is not for you. Navorro Bowman, you are one of the best LBs in the NFL, get well… Jerk

    Let’s take off our sensi-pants now and get ready for a friggin’ Superbowl.

  34. ChrisHolmes says:

    “And it was Irvin who bit hard inside on the naked boot by Kap taking himself completely out of the play (leaving Maxwell alone to shed the block and chase him ob) allowing the 22 yd gain down to the Sea 28 which ended 2 plays later on the TD to Boldin..”

    I saw the same thing.

    Irving has clear athletic ability, but he’s raw at the position, and it showed on that play. Had he attacked the QB, Kaepernic would have taken a 10-yard loss, but he bit hard on the RB action and didn’t even look at Kaepernick’s hands.

    I still think he’ll improve, but the way our other LB’s are playing, if KJ is healthy for the SB, then he needs to see the snaps.

    As for the ad in the SF paper: I was always against it, hence why I never spoke up about it. I just quietly wasn’t going to donate.

    That sort of gesture sure is a nice thought, and I applaud BobbyK and STTBM for thinking about it first and trying to get the ball rolling on it, but it won’t change anyone’s mind, and I doubt a single player on the 49er team gives a rip. They’d probably laugh at us for the waste of money.

    And after seeing that link from BobbyK where the 49er player is ripping up the fan’s sign, I’m even more against it.

    I, personally, would never apologize for something another “fan” did. That’s their own business. They need to apologize, not me on their behalf.

    I’d be more apt to spend money on a plane ticket to hunt down the turd and put a baseball bat to his knees than I would be to buy an apology ad in a SF newspaper.

    My suggestion, for what it’s worth, if people feel like they have money burning a hole in their pocket, is to find a worthy cause and donate to it on behalf of the fans of this blog. Maybe there’s some sick kids at a children’s hospital who would like some Seahawks jerseys for the Super Bowl. I dunno. But I think buying an apology ad in SF is a waste of time and money.

  35. doubledink says:

    I’m predicting a Hawks win by two touchdowns. Marshawn will run down hill all day on these guys and RW will eat them alive with play action passes. This D will force Manning to throw into coverage and we will get +3 on turnovers. This will be embarrassing for Denver. And if this D holds that record-setting #1 offense to 13 or less points they will eclipse the ’85 Bears as the greatest Defense ever.
    So let it be written. So let it be done.

    In case you haven’t noticed, I’m all in.

  36. RDPoulsbo says:

    As I mentioned in the last thread, Peyton relies heavily on timing routes, which will make bunch formations imperative to counter Seattle’s press scheme. If Seattle puts their most physical CB on the front man and jams that WR hard, it will disrupt the back guys from getting into their routes or even get the refs throwing offensive PI flags at them. Timing is constantly off, Peyton has to hold the ball longer than he wants, sacks and picks to follow.

    It will sure be fun watching the greatest offense known to man grind to a halt because of a few grains of sand in their gears.

  37. montanamike2 says:

    ChrisHolmes i like your idea, i think it would mean more to 49’rs fans if we took up a found that guy and then busted his ‘caps with a bat. It rings of true sincerity.

  38. I’m not worried about our secondary against Peyton. I am worried about our linebackers getting manipulated by Peyton.

    I don’t believe that they’re all that great at pass coverage. I’m still haunted by Wags defending Gonzalez with less than :30 secs to go in Atlanta.

    If this has already been done, please forgive me…

    D. Thomas – R. Sherman
    E. Decker – B. Maxwell
    W. Welker – W. Thurmond
    J. Thomas – ???

    Could be Kam. Could be J. Lane. I’m not sure who it’ll be, but if it’s one of our LB’s, I think it could be a tough match up.

    Of course, the best pass defense, is a good pass rush and we’re in much better shape there than we were last year.


  39. mengland says:

    When are we going to find out who the douche was who hit Jeremy Lane?

  40. “When are we going to find out who the douche was who hit Jeremy Lane?”

    I’m sure a San Francisco fan or writer could tell us. They would know if it were a coach or an injured player or trainer. It was probably the “strength coach” or somebody like that.


    Broncos lost to the Colts, Pats and Chargers. Only the Chargers held them under 30 points. Whatever San Diego did, the Hawks D can do better.

    I do think the Seahawks will need to score at least 24 points to win.

    I am available for spot duty on the offensive line if the Hawks need me. I have been putting on some weight this winter, so I may as well put it to good use.

  41. trout_hound says:

    The guy who close-lined Lane with a fore-arm shiver is their Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach.

  42. “The guy who close-lined Lane with a fore-arm shiver is their Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach.”

    Did I totally deduce that or what? I saw Sherlock last night.

  43. raymaines says:

    The NFC team is the visiting team this year, and will probably wear white jerseys right?

  44. I hate the white pants.

  45. ChrisHolmes says:

    “ChrisHolmes i like your idea, i think it would mean more to 49′rs fans if we took up a found that guy and then busted his ‘caps with a bat. It rings of true sincerity.”

    Actually, now that I think about it, I recall a scene from one of my favorite movies that seems like the perfect way to respond to the popcorn throwing guy:

    Someone find his house. We have a solution….

  46. Montanamike2–Are you around?

  47. montanamike2 says:
  48. I’m loose from work, are you still up for dinner?

  49. montanamike2 says:

    sure, what are you thinking?

  50. montanamike2 says:

    Feel like pizza and beer?

  51. Someplace downtown, not a chain. I like pretty much everything..,most ethnic food and American. What do you suggest?

  52. Well, I love both but I’m supposed to stay away from yeast for awhile; no beer or pizza but booze is ok.

  53. montanamike2 says:

    We have a good BBQ, McKenzie river pizza, so-so Mexican.

  54. I’m up for BBq if that’s cool with you. Where?

  55. montanamike2 says:

    Bar3 BBQ at the top of 7th. Kind of small and parking isn’t great but the food is good, a bit pricey but not too bad.

  56. doubledink says:

    the new E-Harmony… sheesh. jk

  57. montanamike2 says:

    Time to refill my BBQ sauce anyways.

  58. montanamike2 says:

    Just a sec

  59. montanamike2 says:

    215 N.7th street

  60. Hey, found it! I’m there.

  61. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Mr. above reproach Harbaugh himself is now saying about sideline incident involving 9er coach on Lane and I quote, “bang bang play and didn’t think there was any intended malice on the part of the 49er employee.
    Sure Jim. He just delivered a without malice forearm shiver to Lane and then stood over him like he was Ali.
    Ok, nothing to see here. All cleared up, thanks, sorry for the misunderstanding. You go with that version.

  62. montanamike2 says:
  63. Yeah, but I bet Harbaugh sure is taking the refs to task for his “missed calls”.

  64. I’m here already!

  65. montanamike2 says:

    MoSeahawk12, i still think he had somebody whistle for an unlikely penalty. None of their players moved and ours all rose up.

  66. montanamike2 says:

    Sorry, i’m on my way.

  67. No worries; I’m the only one here, can’t miss me!

    Go Hawks!

  68. Too cheap to text?

  69. No time to exchange that, and didn’t wanna use my email since its got my real name in it; too many haters of late lol! Sorry for the Internet dating clogging the thread!

  70. Heard some ex-player on Espn radio this morning bagging on Sherm. Ali calling Frazier a gorilla is ok, but Sherm calling Crabs ” sorry” is a capital offense? Bite me!

  71. STTBM

    Hater? Aww sheesh. Have a beer on me and GO HAWKS!

  72. Yeah, no one loves the Hawks more than me, but plenty of people hate my guts for saying RW is struggling and not yet elite.

  73. I agree, STTBM has provided very needed and cogent counterpoint the last few weeks, particularly on the play of RW.

  74. tealskin says:

    Don’t remember anyone saying that RW has been playing at an elite level lately. General consensus seems to be that he needs to step it up. Showing some signs of the pressure getting to him with his fumblitis in the last game. RW just needs to stay cool.

  75. raymaines says:

    What’s funny in this RS dust up is that the national media can repeatedly call the entire group of Seahawk receivers mediocre, and Chris Carter can call out Doug Baldwin by name and nobody seems upset, but RS who is actually on the field and played three games against Crabtree this year says he’s mediocre and we all act like the sun isn’t going to come up in the morning.

    Clearly, it’s not the message, but the delivery. It seems to bother quite a few people that young Richard just hasn’t learned his place yet.

  76. Not to mention that instead of taking the offered hand for a handshake, Crabtree can shove Sherman in the face (photo all over the place) and come out the maligned hero. The media is so full of crap.

  77. tealskin says:

    Raymaines- It is rather ironic that the talking heads can spout off, even though they have no skin in the game, whereas a player, who has to back it up on the field, is not allowed the same. Too black, and proud?

  78. banosser says:

    I don’t give one sh!t about what the national media says about Sherm or how they try to spin it for their own purposes… I don’t care what fans of other teams think… I loved everything he did (minus the choke but big friggin deal!) Short of shooting someone, assaulting a woman, selling narcotics… You scream all you want when someone shoves a mic in your face when you just secured the SB with your phenomenal play against someone who has dissed you…

    Sherm is the truth! and he helps keep an edge on this D that is about to take down the biggest baddest offense in the history of the NFL..

    Keep that fire stoked Sherm!!

  79. RDPoulsbo says:

    Sherman was miked up. We can all wait until Thursday or so for it to come out. He was three villain lady year when Williams the his sucker punch, but the haters moved on after seeing Williams at fault.

  80. freedom_X says:

    Ooops, I guess I thought “31” (Chancellor) was “51” (Irvin) on the Kaepernick run. I’ll have to watch the replay. There was another play in a previous game (I want to say the Saints game) where they caught Seattle’s D totally by surprise with a pass play, but Irvin “limited” it to like a 20 yard gain instead of much more.

    However, given my faulty memory I’d better find that play 1st. I still maintain though that Irvin is a work in progress and may not become a big impact player for another year. I had hoped he’d earn his pay as a rush linebacker while he learns the finer points and instincts of playing the position.

    If the Seattle staff believes in Irvin, they might actually let one the existing high-performers (Smith or Wright) to walk. That would be gutsy, but once one of the other LB’s is up for a big raise, a decision is going to have to be made.

  81. hawkdawg says:

    Russell pulled it together. Best game overall in awhile. Still not at the level of the first Saints game, but several levels better than the Cardinal game.

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    freedom_X – Irvin will walk before Wright and Smith. Mark my words.

  83. sluggo42 says:

    Irvin could also have recognized that if he got in behind Bennett on the fumble recovery, and basically just got in the way, Bennett could have scored the TD. Irving ran in front of the humanity for some reason. I think he is really good, but he doesn’t have the big picture running all the time…

  84. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Carpenter is on the edge of moving to bustville USA, Irvin is next man up.
    Time to step it up boys.

  85. I didn’t realize that Sherman was miked up for that game. I’d like to rewatch the game (again) and only listen to him the entire time (even when the offense is on the field).

  86. banosser says:

    @ Sluggo: “Irvin could also have recognized that if he got in behind Bennett on the fumble recovery, and basically just got in the way, Bennett could have scored the TD. Irving ran in front of the humanity for some reason. I think he is really good, but he doesn’t have the big picture running all the time…”

    yep.. all he had to do was not run past Bennett and get in the way of the 9er that tackled Bennett from behind… TD.. game over

  87. Thanks Vegas.

  88. seahawkfan97 says:

    was the popcorn throwing in retaliation for the ripping of the sign incident? Anyone know?

  89. chuck_easton says:

    Todd previously mentioned that the sign ripping incident actually happened at last year’s game, not this year’s game.

    Not that it makes it any better.

  90. WTraveler says:

    “All the way up to now, I think there’s a strong argument for #2, but now? Aren’t you happy as hell to have Harvin on the squad for our biggest game ever?”

    Not really. Baldwin said himself that he didn’t get enough practice snaps leading up to the game Harvin played briefly in. Harvin has been a distraction. Those other guys have gone the whole season and deserve starting positions. Harvin could be used as a 4th receive and perhaps help the team. I would not count on him in the super bowl. He still has to prove himself to the team.

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