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Morning links: Building two winners

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Jan. 15, 2014 at 1:28 am with 122 Comments »
January 15, 2014 1:29 am

Good morning. We’re five days from knowing if the Seahawks go to the Super Bowl.

We’ll start today with a story from our Todd Milles about how the Seahawks and 49ers mirror each other. Milles took a look at the construction of each roster. Here’s how the Seahawks are put together:

RB Christine Michael (2)
DT Jordan Hill (3)
TE Luke Willson (5)
T Michael Bowie (7)

Trade/waivers/practice squad
WR Percy Harvin (T)
T Caylin Hauptmann (PS)
LB/DE O’Brien Schofield (W)

Free agents
DE Cliff Avril (UFA)
T Alvin Bailey
DE Michael Bennett (UFA)
TE Kellen Davis
QB Tarvaris Jackson
WR Ricardo Lockette
DT Tony McDaniel (UFA)
DE Benson Mayowa
FB Michael Robinson

LB Bruce Irvin (1)
LB Bobby Wagner (2)
QB Russell Wilson (3)
RB Robert Turbin (4)
CB Jeremy Lane (6)
G J.R. Sweezy (7)

Free agents
FB Derrick Coleman
WR Jermaine Kearse
CB DeShawn Shead
WR Bryan Walters

T/G James Carpenter (1)
LB K.J. Wright (4)
CB Richard Sherman (5)
CB Byron Maxwell (6)
LB Malcolm Smith (7)

Trade/waivers/practice squad
K Steven Hauschka (W)
DT Clinton McDonald (T)

Free agents
WR Doug Baldwin
LB Heath Farwell
G/T Paul McQuistan
FS Chris Maragos
TE Zach Miller (UFA)
LB Mike Morgan

T Russell Okung (1)
S Earl Thomas (1)
WR Golden Tate (2)
S Kam Chancellor (5)

Trade/waivers/practice squad
DE Chris Clemons (T)
T Breno Giacomini (PS)
RB Marshawn Lynch (T)

Free agents
LS Clint Gresham
C/G Lemuel Jeanpierre

C Max Unger (2)

DE Red Bryant (4)

Free agent
P Jon Ryan

DT Brandon Mebane (3)

The few misses are outweighed by the huge gets later in the draft.

> Our John McGrath writes a case can be made for either team Sunday, which leaves his head spinning. From McGrath:

On the right side, the emotional side that connects visual images with intuition and opinion, I’m beginning to believe the 49ers are primed to deliver a knockout blow to the Seahawks.

On the left side, the studious side, where facts are stored and numbers are analyzed, I’m not about to stray from my preseason prediction that had the Hawks finishing first in the NFC West, with a 13-3 record, and winning the Super Bowl.

On most occasions, I’m clearly partial to the right side — the reactionary side — because it’s a lot more fun in there than in the quiet office cubicle across the hall. But I’m gaining an appreciation this week for the side where reasoning leads to logic and have promised myself to soon start using it once or twice a year.

> Don Ruiz writes about Frank Gore (more on him later today) and how he, like Marshawn Lynch, makes the offense go.

We’re back at it today with the first practice and injury report of the week. Pete Carroll, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas will all take the podium today.

> 710 ESPN’s Danny O’Neil writes about the making of the rivalry between Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh, and, by extension, the Seahawks and 49ers.

> A scout tells Bob and Groz on 710 that the 49ers are the best team in football, but says homefield could be the equalizer for the Seahawks.

You can listen to the scout, Matt Williamson, here:

> Jon Gruden was on Brock and Danny to talk about the game:

> Hugh Millen talked Xs and Os on KJR yesterday:

> A look at the Seahawks’ “efficient, effective” drafting from ESPN, which echoes what we see outlined above in the roster build.

> Rick Reilly on Carroll and Harbaugh.

> ESPN writes the 49ers struck gold (cliche alert) with the trade for Anquan Boldin. They sent a sixth-round draft pick to Baltimore for Boldin.

> MMQB wonders is this weekend will be a passing of the torch (cliche alert 2!) from Tom Brady and Peyton Manning to the new generation of mobile quarterbacks headed up by Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick.

> We’re lucky to have Rod Mar, one of the best sports photographers in the country, to be shooting for the Seahawks. He does a photo essay each week. Here’s last week’s.

> Mike Silver says rivalries define the championship rounds.

> Workers are getting CenturyLink Field ready for Sunday.

> Michael McCann writes what the rejection of the concussion settlement by a judge means for concussion case against the NFL.

> Peyton Manning: “Omaha!”

> The Minnesota Vikings brought in Mike Zimmer for a second interview. Just two coaching vacancies remain, one in Minnesota and the other in Cleveland.

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  1. jawpeace says:

    So much to read so little time….
    I had to chuckle at the 2012 draft- the one so many critics gave us an F for after the draft. I know PC and JS and all the scout guys they have, are talented at finding talent.
    The one man they need to not listen to is TC.(Tom Cable) He may be good at coaching but I am not impressed with what seemed to be his influence on OL higher draft picks. If he had some later round influence then let him stay there. But if the Hawks are considering Round three or better, leave Cable out. Let him stay with his talent in developing the late rounders and FA that he seems to be good at doing.

  2. CDHawkFan says:

    Maybe I am just trying to convince myself, but I am starting to feel a bit better about this weekend. The positive is that everyone seems to agree that San Fran is playing better now so to me they are as good as they can get. At the same time we all know there is a lot of improvement our offense can show, it seems like we have limited our playbook and we haven’t seen the Harvin effect yet which is not figured in to majority of opinions that this will be a close game.

    So if given either scenario, I would rather take the upside the Hawks have, then the ‘clicking’ side (keep in mind, the clicking side just brings them up to -3).

    As others have said, our best beats their best. Lets hope we can stop Gore and then our O can keep some drives going.

    I’ve got butterflies and its only Wednesday.

  3. DanielleMND says:

    We need Harvin to play and play the entire game. Without him, I think our other receivers will struggle to get open, which I think is the largest part of RW’s struggles lately.

  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I remember last year how the Seahawks DBs got physical with Harvin and it resulted in him leaving the game injured.

    The Saints got really physical with him too and he had to leave the game.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the 49ers follow the same strategy now that they see how successful it works.
    Even if they sacrifice a penalty or two I believe they will target Harvin. That is if he plays at all.

    We have to out physical the 49ers to win imo, or at least match them. And I think we are more than capable of doing that.

  5. The biggest worry is that SF will pull a NO tactic and go head-hunting on Percy – How much did that CB get in bounty for targeting Percy? I hope it didn’t cover the $15k fine coming up.
    Does the NFL really want to reduce concussions? I doubt it.
    If they did, there is a foolproof way to do so – simple rule change: When a defensive player commits a personal foul (such as helmet-to-helmet), and the player fouled is injured, the offending player is removed until the offended player can return.
    Percy misses the next 3 plays? you miss 3 plays. Percy misses the rest of the game? you miss the rest of the game. Percy misses the next game? you miss the next game without pay. Percy is out 10 games? that will really dig into your pocketbook. . . .
    There will be no more targeting. Guaranteed.

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That’s a great idea jbltzfk.

  7. chuck_easton says:

    Ok, I’ll do my part.

    Harvin is milking it. He’s a malingerer . He’s happy to cash the checks without having to work for them. Waste of talent and money that could go to other deserving players. He is too much of a wimp to play with a hang nail let alone really being hurt.

    Ya hear that Percy? I’m calling you out as a wimpy mamma’s boy who won’t step on the field with so much as a stuffy nose. Look at your fellow WR Tate who is actually tough and can take a hit. He should have gotten the money the team wasted on you. You can get knocked out of a game by a stiff breeze, Percy.

    What ya gonna do about it Percy? I’m fuelling your fire Percy. You going to man up, help the team that paid you, support the other players that have actually worked their butts off to give the team a chance to go to the SB? Or are you going to be the fragile, malcontent, wimp that refuses to suit up if it just doesn’t ‘feel right’? Time to show what you are made of Percy. Are you a man or a china doll? You’re move Percy.

    Apparently Harvin only responds to threats by the team to IR him to get him to suddenly be able to practice. Percy needs to have ‘haters’ kicking him when he’s down to motivate him to play.

    I’m more than happy to oblige. The team needs him on the field Sunday. They need him to actually STAY on the field Sunday. He needs to man up, suit up, and stay in the game even if he gets an ouwie. Either Percy plays and dispels all the opinions that he is soft and won’t play unless everything is perfect or he lets the team and the fans down thus proving he doesn’t care about the team.

    I know of players that would be out on the field Sunday even if they had broken bones.

  8. hawkfaninoklahoma says:

    harvin had to leave the game because he had his ankle rolled up on against us. I thought both hits on harvin were cheap shots last week.
    both of those passes were not very good by wilson thou, if he doesn’t hang harvin out dry harvin is fine.

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Holmgren is right.
    We have 15 more years of playoffs and potential Super Bowls with Wilson as our Franchise QB.

    Isn’t that great? I’m excited not only for this season but for the long term future of this team too.

    Go Hawks!!!

    “Finding Wilson in the third round of the 2012 draft set the Seahawks on the course to success, Holmgren said.“You’ve answered the No. 1 question every franchise in the league has — who’s going to play quarterback? Where’s our franchise quarterback? Who’s going to lead us?,” Holmgren said. “Everyone’s looking, and they found one. And he’s in his second year. Lord willing, he’s got 15 more years of playoffs and potential Super Bowls … it’s great.”

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Lol chuck, that was good.

    BTW- Remember Jack Youngblood ,(for the LA Rams) playing on a broken leg?

  11. chuck_easton says:

    That was exactly who I was remembering, Georgia. Youngblood said the team would have had to kill him to get him off the field that day.

  12. Seahawks22360 says:

    @Georgia: nothing is a given in the future. This division is only getting stronger. Ask any player, the time is now. Super Bowl or bust. Kind of.

  13. Thanks GorgiaHawk Back in the Chuck Knox era, we had a great start to a season, when we threw a interception, and our All-Pro center tried to make a tackle, and was clipped from behind – broke his leg. The other team got a 15 yard penalty, we lost the game and the rest of the season – no useful replacement – not very equitable, was it?

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Seahawks22360- I agree, nothing is a given in the future, but when you have a franchise QB and a great organization it’s about as close as you can get to it in the NFL. That’s why I look forward to today and in the future with regards to the Seahawks.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    When asked by the New York Post what he would say to Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, who was nursing back and shoulder injuries, Youngblood answered, “Go play. It’s not about you. It’s about your football team.”

    I know it’s old school but there are things I still miss about the way the NFL used to be.

  16. IASeahawkLady says:

    Will this be Beastmodes first superbowl?

  17. Yes. The first of two in a row, maybe three!

  18. Macabrevity says:

    Nice call Chuck….

    Percy’s the guy hanging out with high school buds on a Friday night when another group of guys wants to start trouble and suddenly is nowhere to be found.

    Explanation on Monday?

    “I had to go home and vacuum”

  19. TallyHawk says:

    Did any of you see the hits that harvin took? There was nothing soft about them. Both were as much a result of him trying to make plays on throws that hung him out to dry as it was the saints targeting him. Also the days of the Youngbloods are over and a lot of that is because of players from his era now suing the league.

  20. ChrisHolmes says:

    If we get by the 49ers, you have to feel good about our chances in the big show. Because by everyone’s accounts, 49ers are playing their best. So, you beat the best and that has to build some confidence and momentum.

    I like the matchup. I think we matchup well. I think our corners and coverage guys can handle the Crabtree/Bolden/Davis triumvirate, and if our guys are disciplined, we can hold Gore. 49ers haven’t scored much on us recently. I like our defense’s chances to keep it low.

    Offensively… Marshawn seems to be in a zone right now. I think PC will do what he’s been doing: play it conservative. Run the ball, ask Wilson to not turn it over, try and hit a few big plays in the passing game and expect to win with field position, turnovers and special teams.

    I don’t expect a lot of points. Should be a squeaker, but it feels like we’re going to win it.

    What worries me is what happens after. I just have this feeling that the Pats are going to pull it out, and they scare me way more than Denver.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    In 2005 I couldn’t read enough in preparation of the NFC Championship game. Now, I’m happy to just rewatch all the games on NFL rewind and the Niner/Seahawk matchups the NFL Network show. Few things are more maddening to me than the stupidity and easy takes the national sporting press piss out regarding a team (the ‘Hawks) they know next to nothing about. Thankfully I can still come to this blog and share with my Seahawk brethren.

  22. If Harvin isn’t cleared, who has the speed and precise route running to get separation/open when they stack the box to stop Lynch?

    It’s what I’ve been wondering for the last month or so and Saturday’s game offered nothing of the sort.

    I love this team and am thrilled we’re playing at home…hope it’s enough.


  23. Unfortunately, I agree that getting Harvin back is going to be vitally important to making the offence offensive.

    I think one of our high draft choices needs to be a tall WR or dynamic TE.

  24. sluggo42 says:

    One thing the Thurmond suspension did on a positive note was to expose b maxwell as a true player. He got the real game reps needed to grow into a real player, and now, with Thurmond back! he can man the nickel slot in a serious way which gives us 3 rediculous cover guys, with the two safety’s.

    So this right there will reduce the rappers chances of any success. So, stopping the run becomes even more important, because I think they will do some running in passing situations now…
    Just a thought.

    While the thought of having the QB slot covered for the next 10-15 years is nice, one must always remember what the NFL is…………Not For long…

  25. Southendzone says:

    For you all worried about Harvin being back, you might remember a certain game early in the season where we won 29-3 in Seattle, and a game we BARELY lost in SF, 19-17. Both games, no Harvin.

    I want the guy in the game as much as anyone, but we don’t NEED him to win it by any stretch.

  26. TallyHawk says:

    Agreed south, we don’t need harvin to win. With or without him what we need is for RW to be on his game, especially on 3rd down. This

  27. thursday says:

    I find it funny to somehow feel like the niners are primed to deliver a knockout blow when they can barely deliver a slap. They escaped that game and here we’ve just whupped on them.

    The harvin is soft stuff is also incredibly laughable, which is a nice way to say ignorant. Does anyone remember bob Sanders? How about how much he was injured? But the colts would never have gotten to the super bowl without him because he was that much of a game changer on defense. Maybe people were smarter then, but i never heard anyone call him soft.

  28. yankinta says:

    YankinTa is Not worried about the 49ers at all,,, assuming our Run D keeps gore under 80 yards rushing…. :)

    Out of boredom, Looking at 2014 schedule,,, and possible primetime games…

    vs GreenBay visit the CLink,, will definitely be another Monday Night Primetime game..
    Dever at Home will definitely be a Primetime game…
    @ Carolina and @ Philadelphia could also be a Primetime game…

  29. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Looks like Bevel is sticking around, at least not getting the Vikes coaching job.

  30. Southendzone says:

    Awesome, Yankinta talks about himself in the 3rd person just like Jimmy Graham!

    “I’m Jimmy”

    “Who’s Jimmy?”

  31. chuck_easton says:


    Tate took hits that were just as hard and more of them. I seem to recall he stayed in the game.

    Not going to be a Harvin apologist and I’m not going to ease up on him until he can actually start AND finish at least two consecutive games.

    For this year that gives him Sunday and the SB.

    So if Harvin isn’t out there busting his. Utt ong side his team mates I am going to have a long off season of calling him a china doll pretty boy who can barely get on the field and can’t finish.

    I’m cutting him no slack when the rest of the team has busted their collective behinds for the chance to go to NY in February. You can make excuses all you want. Actions speak louder than words and so far my actions as a couch potatoe fan on Sundays has done almost as much to help the team as Percy’s actions have. And they didn’t have to pay me 11 million to sit at home and watch the games.

    I’m more than ready to be a huge Percy fan. Ask Georgia. It takes me time to come around but I’m totally on the Wilson train and that took Wilson proving he deserved the love with his on field performance.

    Let Percy win me over with his actions in a Seahawk uniform. We all know how dynamic he can be. We all know the potential boost he can bring to the offense.

    But face it potential is just a euphemism for not doing it. Don’t tell me Percy, show me.

  32. yankinta says:

    Southendzone,, lol… that’s the idea…you get it right away,,, you’re sharp… :)

  33. MoSeahawk12 says:

    and you’re not…..

  34. yankinta says:

    lol @ MoSeahawk12…. still got love for you. :)

  35. SlickToxic21 says:

    So pumped and so nervous for this Sunday. Just like last Saturday.

    Although stressful at the end, it was such a great game….awesome energy in the crowd, even though it was wet and windy. Good times!

    I should be there this weekend again, and even though we’ve owned them in our building….things are different in the playoffs. One mistake can make all the difference.
    I hope Russell is in the zone…..doing whatever he needs to to get the job done. Take off if you have to. Don’t hold the ball too long.
    I would love to see a fast start, and keeping the foot on the pedal.
    Can’t have too many 3rd and longs.

  36. Seahawks22360 says:

    @southendzone: as I re watch the game from week 2 you can see that our offense seems “faster” and more decisive. On plays that break down, Wilson was getting 7 or 8 yards every time. Who knows if he’s hurt, has the training wheels back on or what. But no doubt it has to start with Wilson stepping up and I think he is more than capable.

  37. I’m nervous for a bunch of reasons –

    * First and foremost – As I stated last month, Carroll is now playing Marty Ball. That gives them just a 50/50 chance of winning this game. It will come down to which team makes the big play at the end. That’s not good enough for the most talented team in the NFL and the most talented team of our lifetime. The Seahawks should maximize the entire 4 quarters to minimize the effect of a late 51 yard Frank Gore run.
    * The team is built to win now. There are way too many important parts who will only go up in price starting next year. Even role players with huge contracts like Miller, Bryant and Clemons are hugely important. This team won’t get to keep everything for 2014.
    * Losing to the 49ers at home would be the ultimate blow. There is no other way to put it.
    * If the team loses, it will be based on the formula used to beat them this year – poor passing game by the offense, clutch plays by the other QB and other Defense. I can only imagine the meltdown the fans will have towards the QB. This blog will be unreadable for months.

  38. No Rice…No Harvin…No Good.

    Look, we may have beat them earlier in the season and last year at home, but they’re finally pretty much at full strength.

    As much as I HATE Harbaugh, he and Roman are maniacal play callers. Whether it’s 6 offensive lineman or running a spread with 3 legitimate Pro Bowl WR’s to throw to and a QB that runs like a gazelle with a canon for an arm…not to mention the best LB corp in the league, a pass rushing extraordinaire and a super tough defense, we’re gonna need some guys to step up!

    We must strike early and encourage further pandemonium with the crowd. IF they strike early, I worry that our crowd will panic and get quiet or nervous.

    In my opinion, Bevell has to come up with some creative ways to get the passing game going early so those guys have confidence as the game progresses. If we run the vanilla predictable ground and pound on the first 2 downs and put RW in an uncompromising position of having to convert 3rd and long…it will be a long afternoon.

    I’m not worried about Russell, he’ll be ready. I’m not worried about Lynch, he’ll be ready as well. I’m not worried about our defense, they’ll keep us in this thing.

    It’s the rest of the guys on offense. Someone has to emerge. Check that…multiple folks need to step up. The only difference between us and them (less the 12’s of course) is our passing offense. I know, I know…both are designed to be run first, tough defenses…everyone knows it, but this game will come down to converting 3rd downs on offense and getting off the field on 3rd downs on defense.

    I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a game more than this one. The anticipation is killing me. I wish Kenny Easley or Big Walt would raise the 12th man flag.


  39. I agree with Danielle above, Harvin all game long makes a tremendous difference in our offense’s effectiveness. I also agree with many here who view this weekend as a real Super Bowl…so I guess we get two this year ;-)

  40. CHawkFanIn9erLand says:

    The second hit on harvin didn’t look dirty to me at all, just a good physical play. The first one was clearly illegal IMHO. He has definitely got to be smarter on the field with how he puts his body out there.

  41. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’d say the 9ers were at full strength last month in SF and only beat us by two points on a late field goal. I think you can throw out a large chunk of the Saints game as the weather made Carroll more conservative and the run game was working.

    This team is not the Broncos and will never pass 40+ times a game. People are getting too uptight about Wilson right now. He has missed some easy throws, but also not throwing picks. Kap should have had several picks against the Panthers, but they don’t have the D we have.

    They moved the ball well and scored plenty against a tough Rams team two weeks before the Saints. I think we’ll see Pete and Bevel step back on the gas this week.

  42. I heard a guy on the radio that was a sesaon ticket holder say that he was disappointed by the noise level at the Clink last Saturday. It wasn’t as loud as in past weeks, and he was attributing it to the influx of the corporate outsiders that buy up blocks and blocks of tickets and come in from out of town and don’t really participate in all the regular “12th Man shenanigans.” Anybody at the game notice this, and if this has an inkling of truth, wouldn’t that be even more prevalent at a higher profile game life the NFC Championship?

  43. IASeahawkLady says:

    Marshan is playing like a mad man and now that the superbowl is just within his reach just realize the insanity he will be playing with. When he is in the zone he is almost unstopable. Add to that Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman still have a huge chip on their shoulder towards Harbaugh and would love nothing more then stop him from going to the superbowl. Combine that with us the 12th man and I like our chances!!!

  44. On the TV, I thought it was nowhere near as loud as expected in the 4th quarter. But it’s hard to tell what’s the real volume level watching on TV.

    If that is true and remains the case this weekend, that’s a huge drawback. The Seahawks blowouts at home against Kapernick have been due to generating turnovers and cheap points, which I attribute to the noise getting in his head. Anything quieter than what the 49ers are used to and it will seem almost silent to them.

  45. tealskin says:

    I could see being upset with Harvin if he acted like a primadonna. He had surgery for a hip problem he’s had for years. They said that would keep him out 4-6 months,but he comes back and plays after about 4 months and strains the repair. Then he comes back after another month and gets concussed by a blow to the head. He was running his route and there was no way he could protect himself. What exactly has he done to deserve the hate and disrespect? Am I missing something? He signed the deal he was offered. If you think it was a bad deal, blame the people that offered it.

  46. WiscCory says:

    Is Harvin tough? I say yes. The first shot he took hurt me, sitting in my basement in WI. That kind of shot hurts ANYBODY, and concusses ANYBODY.

    I’d argue that Harvin was “forced” into the locker room by the training staff. I’d also argue that Harvin walked away from that protocol early, and came back into the game regardless of having a concussion. He made a few more plays, then was “down for the count” after his head hit the turf in the endzone.

    Won’t be surprised at all if the NFL investigates whether the protocol was properly followed, and some type of warning or penatly was assigned to the Seahawks.

    Point is, Harvin is tough as nails, and he proved it to me last Saturday afternoon. And I bet he had a hell of a migraine on Sunday and Monday.


    I’d like the see the Hawks first play on offense this Sunday be…play action to Lynch, Wilson drop back 3, roll right, sent it deep to Kearse or Tate.

    Why? 1) SF expects a heavy dose of Lynch. 2) I don’t think the Hawks have some out of the box with anything deep this season. 3) Send Harvin on a short slant, truly as a decoy.

    Take SF by surprise, and strike early. That’s my hope and wish.

    (and when that play doesn’t work, hit Zac for an 8 yard gain on 2nd and 10)

  47. SlickToxic21 says:

    I was at the game, and I would definitely say it was loud…but not as loud as usual. Could be a different kind of fan (more reserved) that was taking up some of the seats. Could be that it was cold, wet and windy…..and with gloves on, that may affect clapping/whistling, that kind of thing.
    But we definitely NEED to have the 12th man in full noisy force!
    That is really what will separate these two talented teams!

  48. And the common thread between the building of both teams?

    Scot McCloughan had a major hand in building them BOTH.

    One of the worst mistake the Niners front office ever made was firing McCloughan. One of the smartest things John Schneider ever did was bring in Scot McCloughan as his #1 personnel man.

  49. SlickToxic21 says:

    I also noticed that Brees didn’t have too much trouble (if any really) in audibles at the line.

  50. yankinta says:

    Picks are out at CBS Sports…. only 2 ignorant idiots… I’m disappointed… :)

  51. montanamike2 says:

    I can’t wait until saturday, i’m starting to get the shakes already.

  52. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    I find interesting the level of disdain for Percy Harvin on this blog. Harvin is a game changer, and no Niner fan wants to see him on the field this Sunday. We like our chances with Harvin out, but if he plays this will be a much closer contest.

    Before I get killed for making the comparison, let me assure you that I do not think Crabtree is on the level of Harvin. With that being said, look at the difference having Crabtree in the lineup has made for us. That is the kind of difference, on maybe an even higher level, Harvin makes for you (I will concede the SF has only a slight advantage in the running games with Gore-Kaepernick vs. Lynch-Wilson). Without Crabtree, we were 7-4. With him, we have gone 7-0 (4-0 on the road). And it really took him about three games to get going. The Crabtree-Boldin-Davis trio has made the SF offense much more dynamic. You need Harvin to even approach that level. Without Harvin, all you have is Tate, and he can’t get it done alone. Before the season, we were concerned with the possibility of a Rice-Tate-Harvin receiving corps. But that never happened, and it hurt you.

    I’ll say it right now, without Harvin, Seattle loses this weekend. With Harvin, you have a chance.

  53. How much of a “hero” would your man Kapernick be if the Packers and Panthers caught those easy INTs that would have turned the game in both cases?

    If the Seahawks drop Kapernick’s easy INTs and Harvin does not play, then the game will be close. If they catch those easy INTs and Harvin DOES play, it will be another 20 point win.

    Based on last week, it’s certainly possible the Seahawks get neither of those (they dropped 3 Brees INTs and Havin barely played a half). Which means it’s another 50/50 slugfest.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:


    With Harvin the 49ers lose, without Harvin you have a chance.

    Don’t forget Baldwin, He’s been a thorn in the 49ers side up here.

  55. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Oh Nate,
    Can’t you find something better to do with your time?
    The game will be won by which ever team plays better,

  56. Southendzone says:

    It makes sense that the 49ers dont’ want Harvin to play but it’s not the same as Crabtree for a couple reasons.

    1) Crabtree had multiple years in the same offense and already developed chemistry with Kap last season
    2) Even when Crab came back, he didn’t jump right in and light up the world, he was getting back into game shape/rhythm.

    Harvin has had about 1.5 full games with the Seahawks. He’s not a key piece of our offense, we are 14-3 this year with him only in those 1.5 games. He ISNT RW’s go-to guy.

    Yeah, he will help open things up but he’s not a key piece. I could name 15 players right now that are more important to Sunday’s game than Percy.

    *Every O-Lineman except Sweezy
    *Every defensive starter
    *Zach Miller

    I think that is more than 15, but you get my point.

  57. TallyHawk says:

    I understand your point of view Chuck. I just think with a concussion now days the soft label doesn’t apply. For all we know Harvin wanted to come back in but the dr said no you can’t because roger is worried you might sue 20 years from now. As for Tate you won’t get an argument from me on his toughness. What I will say though is he didn’t do much after the hard hit he took other than drop a ball that would’ve moved the chains ion 3rd down. Without looking at the stats I’d also say Percy had a bigger impact than him in the game.

  58. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Nate’s most thought out post. Much less trash talk than before. He knows this game will be tough.

  59. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    I’ll give you that Baldwin is a nice player, but he’s not a game changer. He’s a nice complement.

    I got to watch him at Stanford, where he had one good – not great – season. I always liked him, but didn’t think he’d make it in the NFL. I’ll give him credit for putting together a very nice career so far. I can understand the chip on his shoulder. But, he won’t be the difference on Sunday.

  60. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    Southendzone, I agree with everything you wrote. And all those pieces were there for the Seahawks in the last game, but couldn’t get it done. You need an edge.

    Since the last meeting, the SF offense has shifted into a higher gear, which has coincided with the return of Crabtree – not just returning to the lineup, but returning to game-shape, as you pointed out. Meanwhile, Seattle has not shown any progress on offense.

    MoSeahawk12, yes this game will be tough. I hope everybody in America realizes that. It’s a good thing there’s an extra week between the Conference Championships and the Super Bowl. Whoever wins (*Niners*) will need that time to lick their wounds and heal up before destroying Manning or Brady.

  61. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’m not a fan of calling any of our guys soft. They have fought adversity and won fourteen games this year. They did this missing half the Oline for half the season with a young QB and a tough D. Harvin is on this team, a part of this team and can be a factor in additional success for this team. He took a major shot to his head, an illegal head shot at that and made it back in the game, Mr. lawyer. I feel you’re being slightly tongue and cheek with the Harvin noise, but it’s in bad form to call one of the guys that was making a difference soft as he got wacked on a pretty poor throw from Wilson. Injured on the job, trying to help the team win and advance to the championship game. Anybody on this blog would be in the hospital after a hit like that. But, please keep fueling Harvin’s fire.

  62. NFLN is televising pressers from all 4 cities today.. SF & Seattle get started around noon. Scheduled speakers are Harbauugh, Boldin, CK, Petey & Russell.

  63. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Nate, you guys had all your pieces and snuck out a two point win last time we played in SF. Harvin wasn’t there. Boldin won’t get away with the head butts this week and has been shut down by our D. You’re not playing GB’s or Carolina’s D this week. This team was built to win before Harvin arrived. If we have him for the game, great, but they can win without him as they have all season. This game will be intense to say the least.

  64. Even though GG Nate is a fan of the enemy, I appreciate his contribution. Fair points and analysis…unlike those that get caught up in Luck conversations or disappointment in sportswriters not agreeing with their predictions.

    I hope we beat the crap out of the Niners but don’t think it’ll be anything more than a TD separating the two.

    And yes, whoever wins this game will most likely be hoisting the Lombardi come February.


  65. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    One more thing before I shut up for a while. While we all know that turnovers could play a significant role in who wins, I’m interested to see if either team loses their cool. With all the bad blood between these teams, and so much on the line, stupid personal fouls (like Harbaugh running onto the field last week) will impact the outcome if someone let’s their emotions run away with them. These are two physical teams, and they’ve both had their share of penalties this year.

  66. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM makes a good point that the problem with Harvin is he’s not soft, just not durable.

    Now Vernon Davis is soft.

  67. I have no disdain for Percy Harvin. My anger is at PC/JS. We would have been far better off with a Wes Welker or a Boldin type of signing. All we needed is someone who can move the chains on 3rd and long. Someone with good hands and who gets open. A Paul Skansi. We did not need a Ferrari. We will be paying for that car, which I predict will mostly sit in the garage, for years.

    If we do not get a reasonable conversation rate on 3rd downs this Sunday, we lose. It comes down to that, I believe.

  68. I appreciate good debate like that from the other side.

  69. Nate – don’t think the Hawks need an edge, they need to execute. At the last game in SF, they were a bad run fit from holding a late lead and, even given that breakdown, a blown contain from giving the O one last drive to win on a late FG.

    These are two pretty evenly matched teams and though it’s cliché, it’s going to come down to who executes.

    The one good thing you can say about RW in the NO game is he did not make *any* costly mistakes. Kaep was 2″ (or stickier gloves on the GB DB) from throwing a huge pick at the end of the GB game that, if GB picks the pass, likely costs SF the game and came close to some serious mistakes in the CAR game.

    There’s been a lot of angst about the O, but the team is built to have an O like this and it’s got them to 14-3 while playing a lot of top-10 defenses. The Seattle O didn’t light the world on fire the last time they played the Niners at home either and that game turned out all right for Seattle.

    I think you can certainly argue that the Niners are different now with Crabtree back and in game shape, but I don’t think you can automatically conclude that the differences translate into more success against the Seahawk’s D.

  70. yankinta says:

    GoldenGate_Nate,, for me,, I see how only ONE key from Sehawk’s Point Of View….. Stop Gore,, Keep him under 80 yards Rushing and we win comfortably….. Keep him under 100 yards, we win in a close game…. and if Gore has over 100 yards,, (it’s likely that we’ve lost, unless RW Magic shows up)….

    joreb,, I only know how to say things directly… you sound like a sore loser…. no surprises there. :)

  71. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Your punctuation and writing is terrible, (you don’t put two commas when you want to put in a pause) you’re self absorbed and delusional. 99% of us know that truth, believe it. Is that direct enough for you?

  72. bird_spit says:

    I just consulted my ouija board. Its going to be a Denver vs Seattle superbowl. Its sad to think Peyton Manning is unable to make it back for the 2014 season, but it will be what it will be.

  73. FleaFlicker says:

    Crabtree Shmabtree. I’m with Yank on this one. The 49er that has killed us is named Frank Gore. Have to stop him. In all our recent losses, I seem to remember a missed tackle or two on an inside run turning into a monster gain. Hold Gore to zero explosive plays and the odds are heavily in our favor. Easier said than done.

    Anybody know if that Saints guy got fined for that hit on Harvin? Even from the third deck, that looked like a deliberatly dirty play. I hope that dude gets rung up by the league.

    GGNate: thanks for the commentary. It’s always interesting to hear the SF perspective from a non-troll.

  74. Glossman says:

    Lot of good points, here, and I actually appreciate a non-trash-talking Niners fan (Golden Gate Nate)coming here and talking football, not smack.

    As I’ve mentioned in previous posts, I can’t for the life of me figure out why the Seahawks are favorites in this game, both in Vegas and around the country. Yes, I know we have the HUGE benefit of playing at the Clink, and we all know how badly the ‘hawks blew out the Niners the last two times there. But you can’t look at week 2 as a gauge for what could happen, as the teams are way different now. SFO didn’t have Crabtree, as Niner fans constantly remind us, and we always reply with, “Well, you had Crabtree and got blown out last year”, which is true, except that they didn’t have Boldin on the team, either. If SFO only has one of those guys on the field, the Whiner offense is below average and very beatable. With both, they’re top-shelf, and that’s what makes them dangerous. By contrast, the ‘hawks don’t have Sidney Rice like they did during the last two home meetings. No, he’s not a Crabtree or Boldin, but he’s a really good receiver who has been missed. I think this is one the reasons that Wilson has struggled, so getting Harvin back is huge…If it happens. So, if RW comes out and has one of HIS games, I think we have a very good chance to win. This would keep the defense fresh by not being on the field all the time, and thus they won’t wear down in the 4th quarter. The worrying thing is, RW’s problems began with the December game against SFO. Is there any reason think he’s going to all of a sudden get get right against that same defense? That’s where the biggest worry is, and if the Seahawks lose, it will be because of this.

    I would give almost anything for a Seahawks win on Sunday, but based on what I’ve seen from both teams in the last month, I just don’t see it happening. If I had to make a prediction, I’m guessing it’s it will be 13-10 SFO going to the 4th quarter, with Gore getting tough yards late and SFO adding a TD to ice a 20-10 win.

    I hope and pray that I’m wrong about this, but I just don’t see it any other way.

  75. FleaFlicker says:

    And the other thing we cannot do: drop sure INTs. The non-fumble call by the officials and the three picks that weren’t…..the game versus NO should not have even been close.

  76. Pilot – 3rd down is going to be huge. Though I think the Hawks have a shot to win with crappy 3rd down percentages *if* (big if) SF is also equally bad on 3rd down or the turnover battle gets out-of-hand.

    In the losses to AZ and @IND this year AZ and IND easily doubled up Seattle’s 3rd down conversion rate. For @SF, the 3rd down rates were pretty equal (though the rates there were closer to season averages; in AZ and @IND, Seattle was absolutely abysmal on 3rd).

    I’m hoping we will mix up the calls on 3rd a bit more. Not sure if it’s due to audibles or what (Bevell is calling more of a mix but RW is getting out based on the D?), but it sure seems like Seattle throws a lot of (seemingly lower-percentage) longer-ish balls on 3rd. When I saw RW drop back on that 3rd down late in the NO game where Baldwin made the spectacular catch, I was thinking “NOOOOOOOOOO!” up until Baldwin made the catch.

  77. FleaFlicker says:

    Good commentary on how to use Read Option against Ahmad Brooks to open up good lanes for Marshawn and man coverage on Willson:

  78. Southendzone says:

    Glossman, that’s one of the things that makes me more comfortable about the game.

    All of the people setting the money line aren’t wrong. That’s not their business to get it wrong. Aside from the 3 or 3.5 points, the money line is something like Sea – 160, SF + 160.

    If Vegas was so wrong, and SF is more likely to win this week, bettors would have HAMMERED That money line non-stop to the point it would have to change dramatically.

  79. Just to reiterate for those that seem to forget, Harvin coming out of the game with concussion-like symptoms has NOTHING to do with toughness or will. The doctors give a series of cognitive tests if they suspect a concussion. If he doesn’t pass, he doesn’t go back in. PERIOD. Same with this weekend. If he doesn’t pass before Sunday he won’t be playing. Doesn’t matter if he wants to play badly.

  80. The Kam pick has to be made. The ET one wasn’t easy, but I believe he makes it the majority of the time if the ball is not extremely slick. Stop the run and capitalize on the mistakes Squidward Tentacles is almost sure to make.

  81. Yank off…you offer nothing here. I’d welcome GG Nate any time instead of your preposterous posts. Nobody cares about expert predictions as much as you do. Not the team, coaches, fans or bloggers.

    Find something else (other than Luck) to talk about and you’ll be more than appreciated. Until then, it’s just garbage.

  82. Glossman says:

    @SouthEndZone, I agree, to a point. The wise guys know where to put the money, and what scares me is, 59% of the bets are coming in against the number. So, they either think it will be a field goal or less margin, or that SFO is going to win outright.

  83. Macabrevity says:

    Those of you claiming Harvin opens up our offense because we don’t have receiving targets that force the defense to adjust like he does are missing a more substantial problem here (imo). Yes, he’s a weapon, but no, we are not completely weaponless without him.

    Zach? He’s shown he can be huge in the pass game, but our squad uses him to block.

    Tate and Baldwin? These guys make plays (I’ll admit, Tate was off last week) when called upon.

    Our HB/FB’s? A real factor as receivers in the past.

    Our problem isn’t a lack of weapons, it’s….

    (drum roll please)

    Play calling.

    That’s right, play calling for the O is like the offensive equivalent of calling a prevent defense all game.

    It absolutely sucks right now.

    Harvin is a crutch for poor offensive play-calling, and in that sense he helps, but he doesn’t do anything that better offensive play scripting wouldn’t solve.

  84. Carroll says Hsrvin has yet to see the Doctors today and will not practice today.

  85. KJ will practice today.

  86. yankinta says:

    joreb,, Speaking of luck,, did you see his last game? Did you see I predicted a blow out loss?? lol…. the entire nation still making excuses though….. they still will for the next 2 years,, until they have exhausted all excuses….then they will admit,, Luck is a damn good QB but not top 5 and will never be top 5…. :)

    MoSeahawk12,, I live inside your head rent free,, so I got nothing but love for you. :)

    Harvin will of course be evaluated thursday… there’s no surprises there. Seahawks and All NFL teams have to follow concussion protocol.

    p.s., for those of you that are worried about RW and questioning his top 5 QB status,, Sunday will be yet another coming out party for them…. People will again bow down to his Top 5 QB status….. of course this is just my own opinion/prediction…..

  87. Funny to see the hierarchy for the NFL pressers.
    Boldin got cut for Petey. Petey got cut for Peyton.

    They say RW, Sherm & ET will all be televised.. Why not Beast?

  88. Glossman says:

    Word just came out that Terry McAulay has been named referee for the SB. We all knew that it wouldn’t be Bill Leavy, but it’s nice to now know for certain!

    Now all we have to do is get there!

  89. yankinta says:

    Glossman,, seattletimes blog posted that info last night. I have not commented about it because it’s not the same crew that are usually working with Terry. It will be an all-star crew,, so it’s hard to make any kind of prediction on how they like to call games…. I have no idea…

    Only one thing we know for certain is that from these 2 All-start crews,,, half will be chosen for Superbowl,, and the ones that do not throw a lot of flags have a better chance of working/officiating the Super bowl…

  90. scorpeeo says:

    Just a few things to ponder:

    Panthers get 3 points on two trips to the 2 yard line.

    Cam’s first interception is a tip ball when the were driving. What if?

    If RW is who he has shown to be, will he have 2 back to back 100 yd games?

    9r’s SF to AZ to SF, SF to GB to SF, to Carolina to SF to Sea. Does that start to show in the second half if close?

  91. Southendzone says:

    McAuley’s crew did a fine job in the SEA/NO game on Saturday. The 2nd fumble was a small miss, but compounded by Pete not challenging it.

    The PF on Wagner on the same play, I didn’t see but Wags said it was a dumb move on his own after the game so I assume it was justified.

  92. MoSeahawk12 says:

    We know you live in your mom’s basement, rent free. Unless it’s the week you go to your dads place with no internet.

  93. rramstad says:

    Lots of random spew.

    Brees had to call two timeouts and took one delay of game penalty because it was too loud for him to call plays. Watch the film. All the conjecture about how loud it was, or not, or the makeup of the crowd, is just silly. It was loud enough to effect the game.

    The Seahawks got a week off and then got to play a Saints team who are the very definition of finesse (though they tried to play like tough guys).

    The 49ers played at Green Bay in frigid temperatures, and then at Carolina against a very physical defense, both on the road.

    Speaking of which, the Seahawks previous two games were also at home, so they’ve been at home since December 15th, which is one month now.

    Professional bettors consider the 49ers a public team i.e. a team that gets significant action regardless of the line, more or less, from the public. Similar to Cowboys, Steelers, others. The line is designed to get equal action from both sides. I think the money line is far more interesting and far more telling, as most public bettors go for the traditional winner vs spread bet, and far more of the pros look at other options including the money line.

    I gotta say that some of the commentary is getting borderline unreadable. The hand wringing is off the charts!

  94. chuck_easton says:

    MoSeahawk12 and tealskin,

    I want to love Harvin. I want to root for Harvin. I want to see Harvin be the game changer that everyone expects him to be and that he has shown flashes of in his brief stints on the field.

    I also want to be a millionaire, date a hot supermodel, and own my own island somewhere in the Caribbean.

    The guy has the reputation he has for a reason. He was considered ‘soft’ or ‘fragile’ in Minnesota. He had a reputation of not being willing to play in pain. He had a history of not finishing games.

    So, I’m rooting for Harvin to play Sunday. I want to see him play and be one of the reasons Seattle wins. I want to root for him for the next several years of his time with the team.

    So, again, the guy could be right up there with Ghandi and Mother Teresa in how nice of a guy he is. I’m not questioning his charactor. I’m questioning his durability, his willingness to play even if injured, and I’m questioning his value to the team in it’s quest to get to the SB THIS YEAR.

    There is no hate for Percy the person. There is alot of dissapointment in Percy the player. He hasn’t given the team squat. There are players that are going to walk because the team can’t afford to sign them AND pay Harvin.

    I’d be OK with losing, say Tate, if the flip side was knowing Harvin was going to be there producing and putting up crazy numbers in Tate’s absence. Right now all we see is a guy getting a huge paycheck every week and sitting on his backside while other guys that make a lot less are out there working their butt’s off to get my favourite team to the SB.

    So, I am not going to cut the guy any slack until he can show he’s worth all the love, all the money, and all the deference he is getting on this site.

    Sure, we’ve all seen glimpses of what he COULD bring to the team. But so far he hasn’t. I’m not OK with that.

    And, yes, I think he was milking the injury until the team gave him an ultimatum to get on the field or else. My opinion, but he hasn’t done anything worth mention to change that opinion. He hasn’t done anything of note to change the national opinion that he’s a great talent that can never stay healthy.

  95. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    Seriously, what’s the deal with you guys and Andrew Luck?

  96. Great to hear KJ is practicing. Its my opinion the Seahawks don’t lose that game in SF if KJ didn’t get hurt and leave the game early. No way Gore gets that 54 yd run with him on the field. I’m also betting they would have won the Arizona game with KJ playing.

  97. DangeRuss just answered the hair question..
    He said he didn’t cut it the entire season when he won the H.S. Championship.. So he’s not doing it this season.

  98. Good Lord GGNate, we don’t have any deal here with Andrew Luck…well, except for one of us here who considers the most important discussion to be who is ranked in the top five QBs overall and who shouldn’t be ranked in the top five. (As if such rankings meant a hill of guano to anything in the world). As the rest of us would point out, Flacco is not a top five, as such things go, and he won a Super Bowl last year. One if us here seems more concerned with his man crush being in that top five group than in winning a ring.

  99. yankinta says:

    GoldenGate_Nate,, some of us think he’s a legit top 5 QB. some of us disagree (especially me). I don’t think he’s accurate enough to be a true Elite QB in the NFL. I think he’s an average QB. let’s just say some people take offense to that and got burned for their remarks,, when Luck struggled this year,, and finished with 23rd best QB rating…. :)

    did you read my comment to you at 11:36 AM ??

  100. doubledink says:

    How about we put several bags of these in the visitor’s locker room?
    The field might get a little slippery though! LOL.

  101. Yank, Is your top priority to drive everybody mad?

  102. MoSeahawk12 says:

    We have the biggest home game of all time, the NFC championship game for the right to go to the Superbowl for only the second time in the history of the franchise. It happens in four days and this clown can’t stop stroking himself over Luck. He’s not playing. Who would have thought that a fan from our biggest rival would bring 95% better content than the useless wank. Good job Nate.

  103. Glossman says:


    Thanks for the explanation. I’m not a professional bettor, or even an amateur one, so I appreciate the primer.

  104. yankinta says:

    mocarob,, not everyone,, the only ones that likes to attack me….. plus I did not bring up Luck. someone else brought up Luck, first… go back and read the entire blog… :)

  105. I suggest you go back and read the entire blog, I never asked you if your top priority was driving people mad talking about that guy. It’s not only that topic that drives people nuts.

  106. This is funny and so true. We’ve got a good dude as our franchise QB and the Whiners have a thug:

  107. How about we talk about players still playing in the NFL at least until our season is over or is a shot at the Super Bowl not good enough for some of you?

  108. yankinta says:

    lol,,, okay, I just did. My first comment was at 8:28AM….

    YankinTa is Not worried about the 49ers at all,,, assuming our Run D keeps gore under 80 yards rushing…. :)

    Out of boredom, Looking at 2014 schedule,,, and possible primetime games…

    vs GreenBay @the CLink,, will definitely be another Monday Night Primetime game..
    then Southendzone,, responded…

    “Awesome, Yankinta talks about himself in the 3rd person just like Jimmy Graham!

    “I’m Jimmy”

    “Who’s Jimmy?”
    then I said,,
    “Southendzone,, lol… that’s the idea…you get it right away,,, you’re sharp… :)”
    After that the attacks began…

    So,, Did any of that drive you mad??

  109. Re: Glossman and Southendzone’s discussion of the betting line. Southendzone brings out an important point, the money lines for the Seahawks this year have been consistently bad for Seahawk bettors. I’ve seen a bunch of -140 and -145 lines for the Seahawks this year. And the one time when the Seahawks were the underdog this year (@SF), you couldn’t give the points back and get a good money line (if you gave the 3 back, which would have turned out bad in the end, you would only buy the Hawks money line down to -130, still a bad deal).

    But I have never before seen them at -160, which is an outrageous money line, you are betting 100 to win 60.

    -3.5 is more than I expected, but -3.5 and a -160 money line is crazy betting…I hate home favorites at -3.5 because it is rife for a non-cover win. But at -160 you almost have to be nuts to bet on the Seahawks, this thing is designed to draw 49er bets. Just an aside, and not really pertinent but 49er bettors (and fans for that matter) are freakin’ Legion in Vegas. You will see 20 49er jerseys to every one Seahawk jersey down here in the sports books.

  110. Nope. I skip over your posts. (until I asked you that simple question)
    I just see others getting irate. Are there any other snide comments you want to try & bait me with? Was that it?

  111. yankinta says:

    mocarob,, lol. I see. So you just assume not knowing the truth. it’s okay, dude. I’m used to that. cheers….

    Can’t wait for Sunday to see if we can stop the Run against 49ers and shut those media/experts up for good. :)

  112. Glossman says:

    Vegas56, thank you for expanding on what SEZ was saying. I think I understand that the houses are trying to pull in 49er money, if that summarizes it.

  113. Southendzone says:

    I second that, Vegas I always appreciate your posts on betting stuff since you clearly know what you’re talking about and spend time in the sports books checking out what’s going on.

  114. The only thing I care about is Seattle winning this game, as far as football goes. I dont care how they do it, as long as they dont cheat or deliberately injure someone. I dont care if RW is 10-20 with no TD’s as long as we move the ball and score. I dont care if we give up 400 yards, just as long as we win the damned game. I dont care if Lynch runs for 40 yards, if Tate catches no passes, if Sweezy sucks yet again, just as long as Seattle beat the Niners.

    Just win, baby. Just win.

  115. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Be easy on Sweezy. He played a good game against the Saints.

  116. I think its obvious Harvin was desperate to keep playing. He wants this–now. Perhaps he got tired of the pain in his hip limiting him, and got gunshy. Continual pain can really mess with you, tough guy or not. Perhaps he really was malingering.

    I think its obvious the threat to IR his ass woke him up. But that doesnt mean he’s not tough. He’s practiced through migraines bad enough to give him a seizure and make him vomit, he took a couple of extremely rough hits and was beside himself when they took him from the game.

    He might be less willing to play through certain injuries than some others. But we really dont know. All we can do is guess, based on VERy incomplete information, and our own biases.

    What we do know is that Harvin is not durable. That is impossible to argue out of. But toughness is a separate, different thing.

    Ive complained about him not playing bitterly, especially since he’s making more than all our other WR’s combined in two or three games, but I saw him give his all last week. He’s just rusty and Im now hoping he plays this weekend, rust and all.

    I also hope we give the ball to Tate at least 7 times. Let the guy do his thing, he’s always rewarded us when we give him opportunities!

  117. Georgia–He still got beaten on both run and pass plays far too often, and he has no right to be starting. He hasnt earned it. he’s Teachers Pet. Bowie played better than Sweezy ever has in his first start at RG this year, MUCH better.

    But yes, he’s not so bad that I scream at him through the TV on every drive. I guess thats an improvement. But color me less than thrilled with him.

    Besides, you cant stand it when I change my mind. Trust me, I’d love nothing better than to have his play warrant me coming on here and eating a huge steaming pile of crow. It tastes great! So far, no dice.

    But I will stop bashing on him for awhile. He really has improved.

  118. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Even though Breno and Sweezy may not be the best right side in the NFL, they at least are physical dirt bags that will give all they got.

    We need that attitude playing against the 49ers imo.

  119. jawpeace says:

    Yank I thought your first person reference was funny. But I guess some don’t get your subtle humor.

  120. yankinta says:

    jawpeace,, thanks… :)

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