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Morning Links: Harvin Watch: Day 2

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Jan. 3, 2014 at 1:23 am with 91 Comments »
January 3, 2014 10:44 am
Chris Clemons was happy to see Percy Harvin on Thursday. / AP photo
Chris Clemons was happy to see Percy Harvin on Thursday. / AP photo

Good morning.

Well, he made it through one day. Percy Harvin was at practice Thursday. I wrote about that for today’s paper and it’s ground we covered yesterday here.

The biggest question for Harvin will continue to be how he feels the day after practicing. We’ll see if he is out there again today. They play music throughout practice. Perhaps they could cue up Harvin’s theme song.

> Practice today again starts at 1:30 p.m. It should be over around 3:15. We expect to hear from Pete Carroll afterward.

> In a shift, we were told toward the end of Thursday’s practice that coordinators were not available to talk to the media. We’re unsure if they will be available today.

> The Seahawks won’t practice over the weekend.

Our John McGrath has a question: “Is this the year God sides with Seattle sports teams?” From McGrath:

So how does any of this involve God? According to a 2013 survey conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, 27 percent of U.S. adults believe “God plays a role in determining which team wins a sporting event.” Furthermore, a majority of U.S. adults — 53 percent — believe that athletes who have faith in God are rewarded with good health and success.

I don’t think God cares which teams win, or that athletes with faith in God are more apt to avoid injuries and participate in victory parades than those who don’t keep the faith. But that’s just a hunch, and I’m willing to consider an intriguing possibility:

What if 27 percent of Americans are correct?


> ESPN wonders which foe may be the best option for the Seahawks.

> Fans lined up for Seahawks license plates yesterday.

> A late link add here: Richard Sherman on the five smartest quarterbacks in the NFL.

> NFL Films, Russell Wilson and Phish (when asked, Wilson said he didn’t have much to do with or know much about all this, beyond the chant):

> says the Seahawks will be waiting and watching this weekend.

> The Everett Herald writes that Earl Thomas deserves to be the NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

> Peter King’s Wild Card winners.

> Also, full playoff and Super Bowl picks from the MMQB crew.

> CBS and NBC will live stream the NFL playoffs for free. But, not Fox, though it will livestream the Super Bowl for free.

Leave a comment Comments → 91
  1. Duh-Dunt. Duh-Dunt. Wil-son!
    Still somewhat weak sauce at this point.
    We gotta get this chant cranked up to 12 for the playoffs.

  2. montanamike2 says:

    It’s a known fact that G-D loves Russell Wilson and the Seahawks, unfortunately he’s not that fond of the refs, i think they work for the other guy.

  3. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pro Football Focus ranks Kaepernick as the 6th-least accurate passer in the league when under duress.
    The only players behind him in Adjusted Accuracy Under Pressure are Matt Schaub, Sam Bradford, Brandon Weeden, Matt McGloin, and Thaddeus Lewis. He’s just behind Geno Smith.
    So when Kaepernick is pressured he’s a bad passer.

    If the 49ers don’t get their run game going I think they will lose Sunday.
    Their Corners are hobbling too,(with hamstring issues) and that’s not a good thing to have when facing one of the best QBs in the business.

  4. Southendzone says:

    Ya Georgia, the cornerback health is going to be a huge issue for them, if both Rogers and Wright are unable to go or limited in their ability to play on Sunday, that’s what I believe will be the Packers glimmer of hope.

    Also, it’s a total embarrassment that GB can’t sell out their playoff game. It looks like they will make it but still, they are supposed to be a historically great fan base, their team just made it to the playoffs with an incredible win, they should have sold out in a matter of hours.

  5. montanamike2 says:

    Clay Mathews has a thumb injury that could hinder him throughout the playoffs, he’s not expected to play this weekend.

  6. pabuwal says:

    Actually I think it’s a great message to the NFL that even GB might not sell out a playoff game.

    The NFL has done everything in their power to gouge the fans and make things as uncomfortable as possible at the stadium to squeeze every bit of TV money.

    Not only does the NFL gouge the paying customers on ticket prices, concessions and parking, they –

    1. Make you buy playoff tickets for 1-2 games before it is unknown if the team will even play.

    2. Hold that money until the middle of next year if the games aren’t played.

    3. Don’t care if the fans need to risk death to watch a game. Sunday’s temperature will be -15 with -40 wind chill. They could have scheduled that better but wanted to hold the most attractive TV game for the most attractive time slot. Don’t even get me started on the Saturday night playoff games in the North East they started in 2001.

    The Seahawks don’t do numbers 1 and 2 above.

    I think there are a lot of fans who buy season tickets because they remember a time when they took generations to get and it’s something their family has always done. When the games get cold or their team is out of it, they don’t bother showing up. Why buy playoff tickets when it doesn’t affect their season ticket status?

  7. pabuwal says:

    And Green Bay has metal bleachers.

  8. montanamike2 says:

    I think it’s outright dumb to have the SB in NY this year, what will they do if they get hit with another massive storm like the one they currently have?

  9. CDHawkFan says:

    Pabs, gouge is an understatement.

    I think I remember (gave up season tickets when I moved to the UK) the 1st round being about 60% more than normal prices and it goes up throughout the playoffs.

    Something like; $100 regular season ticket, $160 1st round, $200 2nd round, $250 CC.

    I hope the NFL see’s that they are charging too much. Will they sell out, probably, but its bad press to have to extend the black-out deadline for 3 of the 4 games this weekend. You can make excuses, but #1 on the list is that they are too expensive.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I wonder if the NFL will allow fans to bring seat pads or cushions into the stadium?

  11. Dukeshire says:

    I agree with pabuwal 100%. The chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, and the fact that a team like the Colts may not sell out is a clear message that the live game day experience has taken a toll on the fans.

  12. chuck_easton says:

    Guys it’s all about supply and demand. The NFL can get away with charging such high prices because they know they are going to get them.

    Just like the players can hold out for huge contracts because they know that the owners are going to have to pay them.

    The only way you will ever see lower prices is if people stop attending. Eventually the NFL will get to the point where they price themselves out of popularity, but they aren’t there yet.

    It’s also why the NFL is opposing the removal of the local blackouts that have been proposed. Just like the only option a player has to get a bigger contract is a hold out, the only means the League has to ensure a full stadium is the threat of a local blackout if the game isn’t sold out. You want to watch your team? Pay the ticket price and sell out the stadium or the game won’t be televised.

    The league’s position is that an empty stadium is bad for television viewers.

    So, if we as fans want lower ticket prices, the best way is to support lawmakers willing to push for the removal of the blackout policy. If locals can watch their team at home for free even if there are only a handful of fans in attendance, then the league has an incentive to drop prices.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    The fact that playoff games aren’t selling out, in domes no less, indicate that the NFL may have to reevaluate it’s game day experience, for lack of a better expression.

  14. The Packers game would be sold out if not for the fact that tomorrow night could turn out to be the coldest game in the history of the NFL. We’ve been below zero for a bunch of days in a row and it sucks.

  15. Hammajamma says:

    The NFL game is structured for television, and I don’t see that changing regardless of attendance. The relentless pauses in action are just part of the game day experience we tolerate to enjoy the other aspect of a live event. Prices are probably the most fundamental issue, and the market will sort that out if the owners want to guarantee a pretty broadcast. As for lawmakers getting involved in blackout rules, I don’t see that happening in any way, shape or form.

  16. ChrisHolmes says:

    27% of Americans frighten me…

  17. chuck_easton says:

    Not attending the games will do nothing to get the NFL to lower prices. The teams still make a huge profit from the television broadcast rights.

    Support the lifting of the blackout policy. That is the only way we will ever see lower ticket prices.

    Without the threat of a local blackout the owners can’t withhold the availability of the game to the local fans sans a full stadium.

    If fans can stay home and watch the game for free the owners might consider lowering prices to bring fans back. But that won’t actually be what pushes the owners.

    The next domino to fall would be the broadcast contracts. The television people pay big money because they know the game is popular and viewership will be high. But television is also visual perception. An empty stadium does not show popularity so the networks will not be willing to pay the big dollars to broadcasts games from huge empty stadiums. Less broadcast money, more incentive to lower prices.

    And just so Pabs doesn’t think I had an aneurism last night and am suddenly anti management. Lower ticket prices and lower broadcast revenues means lower salary cap and less money to be given to the players.

    See Pabs I’m not anti worker and I’m not really pro management. In this case I’m pro fan. The millions we see the players getting is just an outward sign of how much money the fans are putting into the system. You go after the income stream at the top and then we will see the end to the big contracts.

    I’m more about changing the system. The league had a profit of 10.5 billion last year (tax free). Those numbers are largely hidden from the public. The Players make millions. Players salaries are very public so they become the focal point for people like me.

    But the fact is we, the paying public, are the ones that are to blame for both the Owners Billions and the Players Millions.

    SUPPORT THE EFFORT TO END LOCAL BLACKOUTS! That is how we will eventually see lower ticket prices.

  18. CDHawkFan says:

    Chuck, the supply/demand doesn’t really fit when teams owners swoop in on Friday afternoon and ”buy” the rest of the unsold tickets.

  19. yankinta says:

    Let’s go Green Bay!! and Eagles!!! Can’t wait to blow out Green Bay at Home on 11th!!…. :)

  20. ChrisHolmes says:

    @Dukeshire: I have only been able to attend 1 live NFL game in my life (due in large part to my remote location, far distance from the team, and expenses). This is my way of saying: I have no personal knowledge with the “game day” experience.

    So, I would ask you two questions:

    1) What is not very good about the current game day experience?

    2) What would you change to make it better?

    I’m curious to hear your response and those of the other bloggers who attend games.

  21. ChrisHolmes says:

    Interesting picks on

    Lots of people believing in Denver…

  22. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes,, all those people Dumb. I’d pick Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers and Pats before I pick Denver….

  23. chuck_easton says:


    I can give you a quick list of what’s wrong with the game day experience and I only attend 1 game a season due to travel costs, ticket prices and such.

    1. Tickets are expensive. What you see happening is season ticket holders getting the vast majority of the preferred seating. More Season tickets more guarantee of a full stadium. Season ticket holders pay on average $60 to $80 per seat. They then turn around and sell their tickets through legitimate ticket re-sellers (not scalpers). We non-season ticket holders then end up paying $125.00 per seat (did this just last week) to sit in the second row from the top of the stadium. Paid three times face value so I guess I’m part of the problem.

    2. If you try to park anywhere near the stadium expect to pay an additional 50.00 or so for parking. Or you spend an hour getting to the stadium by public transit.

    3. Food. $30.00 will get you two hotdogs and two soft drinks. I don’t do beer at the game because I am setting an example for the teenager, but beer is about 8.00 for a 12 oz glass.

    4. As stated earlier, the new rules that limit bags to see through small bags don’t allow for much to be brought in such as blankets, extra clothing and such.

    5. Constant television breaks. Every time you at home get those nice television commercial breaks so you can run to the kitchen or the washroom at the stadium we get to watch the players standing around for a couple of minutes doing nothing. 60 minutes of actual action takes 3 or more hours and the rest of the time is standing around.

    6. We tried to use the washroom at half-time. Big mistake. The lines for the washrooms were longer than for the concession stands. I guess if they started charging for people to relieve themselves they might install more washrooms. People were literally in line for the washroom from the start of half-time until several minutes into the third Quarter.

    7. Going to the game means that is pretty much the only game you are going to see all day. Sure the televisions at all the food stands show the early games until the start of the Seahawks game. But then every TV in the place is tuned to the game on the field. At home you can channel surf during commercials and view other games, you get the game breaks and all that. At the stadium there is one small scoreboard in the corner that updates the scores of the other games but that is it.

    8. And again, the biggest issue with the ‘gameday’ experience is cost.
    For me and Tyler to attend the Arizona game cost:

    $250.00 for two tickets
    $1,600.00 for round trip airfare
    $300.00 for two nights in the hotel
    $100.00 for two days of rental car
    $24.00 round trip shuttle to/from the hotel/game.
    ????? For food during the game. I lost count and finally decided I was stuck paying so it was better if I just didn’t know.

    So, my game day experience was around $3,000.00 to watch Seattle play one of their worst games of the year. Also got to sit in a wet drizzly Seattle day.

    And the sad part (for me) is I’d do it again in a minute if I could. I guess I’m the sucker.

  24. montanamike2 says:

    We’re all hooked on Seahawks like its a rock of cocaine, i bet your kid will remember that experience the rest of his life.

  25. thursday says:

    That’s not a typical cost though obviously. I paid 140 to go to the bucs game, 8 for beer, it’s a pint, 5 for a hotdog and 8 for a train ticket. Sure it’s not cheap, but I only go three times a yearish. But I personally love the game experience so it’s worth it to me. Never feel bored during activity pauses either

  26. montanamike2 says:

    I guess the more local you are, the cheaper the cost.

  27. Southendzone says:

    Cost is clearly the biggest issue for gameday experience, but Chuck’s example is EXTREME! Adding in your travel expenses from out of town skews the picture.

    Here’s the SEZ bargain game package:
    $90 : 1 ticket
    $0 : Parking, about 1.25 miles from the stadium
    $4 : 3 beers from supermarket I drink at my car
    $12 : 2 more beers I drink pre-game at a nearby bar, here you also watch the early games on satellite tv.
    $5 : 1 dog from vendor outside the game
    $8 : 1 stadium beer (maybe)

    So total price for the day is $119 and is mostly your ticket price.

    I really think the only valid point above is #6, the restrooms are crowded, you gotta go at the right time, never during quarter or halftime breaks, just hold it.

    What isn’t mentioned above is what you get for your money. You get to help the team win, you get to celebrate like a freak, high fiving strangers, screaming your head off. There’s nothing like it, when I’m at home, the ups and downs are so brutal but at the game I feel like I can make a difference.


  28. pabuwal says:

    Ticket prices are so high to begin with in the northeast ($100 for nosebleeds to $500), its very rare to see a resale market over 2x. For the Giants-Seahawks game, tickets could be had pretty easily at 2/3 off face value.

    The best part of when the owners do put in their own money towards a stadium, they make the season ticket holders foot the bill through PSLs. Those “rights” just to buy the tickets go from $5000 to $50,000.

  29. rramstad says:

    Owners are not allowed to swoop in and buy up tickets so a game is televised. That’s an urban myth.

    It does occur with some regularity in some markets that a big advertiser — someone who routinely does TV advertising during games — will buy up a few hundred or a few thousand tickets and give them away through charity, something like a Big Brother Big Sister group, but that’s not the team, and the ownership of the team is not allowed to give them any more of a discount then they would any large group purchase…

  30. rramstad says:

    Local fan… I understand the comments for the out of town or occasional attendee, but those of us who attend every game get pretty good at cost control. I arrive early, park for free, walk about 3/4 mile, but it’s fine. I eat before the game, plenty of places to get good inexpensive food outside the stadium. I hardly ever buy anything in the stadium. I would say that you are correct that the two things you cannot control is the large overall time sink (you can’t see the early games, but I routinely make it home for the night game) and that you have to stand around during commercial breaks… and of course you are exposed to the weather. I am fine with all of this as the upside of being at the game is so high… I’ve seen some amazing plays, and some great games, and get to be with the 12th Man. Away games are for staying at home and relaxing, home games are for yelling and cheering!

  31. ChrisHolmes says:

    $3K for a Seattle game? You’re dedicated.

    It’s a 6-hour drive for me, minimum, and that’s if we don’t get halted by snow. My ex-wife and I tried to go to a game several years ago (we live in Easter WA, by the way), and about halfway across WA state the snow got so bad that the State Patrol re-routed us back home. We paid $500 for two tickets and never got to use them.

    @Southendzone: if I were local, I’d do just about what you’re doing.

    I definitely don’t have a problem walking. I walk 3 miles a day just for exercise. I’d love to take in early games at a local bar and eat/drink there prior to the game.

    Wish I lived closer… Would have loved to have gone to a game this year. Maybe next year. The wife is talking about it (and she’s not a sports fan, but she’s converting to being a Seahawks fan, and she likes the city). So maybe next year.. If we save up.

  32. Southendzone says:

    Hey Chris,

    I lived in Spokane for quite a while in the 90’s and there was one season I made EVERY home game, it was a lot of fun, back in the Dennis Erickson era and the tail end of the Kingdome.

    You must be in the Tri-cities or something because the Spokane to Seattle is only about 4 hours if you’re determined. I never got stopped by a major snow storm on my Hawk trips, a few times on Christmas visits though, makes for a looooong drive.

  33. Macabrevity says:

    In my mind the league is like a pimp abusing his ‘employees’ – all possible thanks to a drug addiction that keeps them coming back.

    In no particular order;


    1) Over-saturation of over-commercialized games – 6 hours of commercial time on Sundays, 2 more on Monday night and now? 2 more on Thursday? Plus Never ending NFL Network with mesmerizing coverage of Brett Favre’s un-retirement and all the commercial breaks, draft coverage (with the same 3 commercials repeated 1,000 times) etc. etc.

    2) Blackout Threats which are extortion by most interpretations of the word, allowing for pricing schemes that defy reality.

    3) Pricing schemes which defy the NFL’s status as a non-taxable NPO.

    4) Officiating that detracts from the game.

    5) Rubbing our faces in Goodell excrement.

    6) Security policies that allow parking lot beatings and disallow women’s handbags.

    7) An invisible ceiling for minorities that is taking way too long to completely disappear.

    8) A hypocritical ‘listen to what I say and don’t watch what I do’ stance on player safety that just seems to be getting worse.

    9) A definition that equates a contract to toilet-paper that I as a non-lawyer can understand to some extent but am still baffled by.

    10) Last but not least – billionaire owners who can extort then punish their fanbase if they don’t get what they want, whether it’s a new stadium that fans pay for (but don’t own) or upgrades, or whatever.


  34. PugetHawk says:

    Ticket prices vs watching at home on a flat screen has been sliding towards the latter for a while. The REAL leverage that the NFL has is that they will blackout their game in your market if you don’t sell out that week.
    I have heard that the FCC is starting to revisit how the blackout rules are enforced.

  35. thursday says:

    Yeah the Bucs game cost for me was actually the highest. I have a season ticket holding relative, so normally it’d be 90 for the ticket, at most I would have two beers though, so the cost is still less. As for the bathrooms, tbh, only at the Rams game this year did the waits seem ridiculous. I didn’t find them bad for the Cards or Bucs games.

    But like SEZ was saying, nothing beats being there and yelling, high-fiving strangers and talking football during the breaks. Ngl, I’d go to every home game if I could.

  36. I live in Wenatchee and have both driven and taken the train. Fortunately I still have family on the West side. If you buy single game tickets the day they’re sold (in mid August) and buy nosebleeds, it’s only about $65 a ticket. I bought single game tickets to 2 games and a pair for 2 others. Total cost came to about $400. Not bad for seeing my favorite team 4 times this year!

    This last Sunday I stayed downtown @ the Red Lion for about $120. Booked that a couple months in advance as well. And even though the beers are expensive and I had quite a few, it was all so worth it.

    I hope I’m as lucky next year!

  37. My advice Chuck…buy more tickets in advance. Pick a game to go to earlier in the year when the weather ‘should’ be better and sell the rest of your tickets so you can get some of that $3k back. That’s a lot of money dude. Ouch babe!

  38. pabuwal, wasn’t it like a 20,000 $ deposit just for the right to buy season tickets at the New Meadowlands? Maybe that’s just an average I remember hearing. I guess that’s what you’re referring to with the 5-50 K? That’s ridiculous. The stadium will be half full of corporate shills.

    I actually think that the game experience is great at the Clink. The one issue I guess would be the price, but tickets really aren’t too bad if you don’t need to sit second level for some reason.

    Other issues Chuck brought up:

    Parking can be had for 10-15 $ if you don’t mind walking half a mile or so and know where to look. Hell, you can find free if you’ll walk a mile and show up early. I understand that some can’t or won’t. You can often use public transportation as well.

    Cost of food? Eat before hand.

    Cost of alcohol? Get started before you come to the stadium. And I wouldn’t know from personal experience, wink wink, but I hear there’s ways to sneak a flask into the stadium.

    Bathrooms? It is bad, but you gotta pick and choose your times. Or you can buy a Stadium Pal. It solves the bathroom problem and keeps your calf warm on a cold day.

    To me the biggest issues are the cost and the fact that home viewing technology is getting better and better and cheaper. A lot of people would rather watch it on TV regardless of the ticket price. Some just don’t get into the stadium experience. Especially if it isn’t a great crowd like it always is at the Clink.

    The NFL did ease up the blackout restrictions a year or two ago I believe, but I’m all for getting rid of it entirely.

  39. montanamike2 says “We’re all hooked on Seahawks like its a rock of cocaine”


  40. yankinta says:

    ALL PRO Teams for 2013 have been announced. But they mis-spelled RW’s name on 2nd All Pro Team Roster…. what the heck??!!

  41. PugetHawk says:

    The officiating is also a major problem. I am all fine with protecting the players safety. I think its great but I won’t pay for tickets unless they get that fixed.
    The problem is that if there is a hard hit at all, then there’s a flag. The NFL needs to have someone upstairs with a monitor actually making these calls. Its too difficult in real time to tell whether the hit was legal.

  42. From PFF…..

    Seattle Seahawks

    Stock Up: Brandon Mebane (+13.2, Q4 2013; +5.4, Q3 2013) and Clinton McDonald (+5.7, Q4 2013; -1.9, Q3 2013)

    More than just a one-dimensional run-stuffer Mebane showed balance as both a pass rusher and run defender to earn the highest overall grade of any defensive tackle this month, notching 12 total pressures and seven defensive stops. Joining him in a strong month for the Seahawks tackle rotation was Clinton McDonald whose 11 total pressures (including two sacks) on 89 pass rushes placed him fifth among defensive tackles this month.

    Stock Down: No one

    A couple of defeats in the final month of the season don’t really seem to have derailed the Seahawks form and they were still able to wrap up the No. 1 overall seed in Week 17. The offense and defense look stacked with contributors and especially on defense the Seahawks can get game-changing contributions from seemingly any player who takes the field.

  43. Stadium Pal:

    I should say to be fair that I have a couple of friends with season tickets, so I can usually get a ticket without being overcharged.

    Some season ticket holders certainly do make a nice profit reselling their tickets. One of my friends paid for his season tickets simply by selling his tickets to the Whiners game. Hard to miss that game, but tickets to seven regular season and 2 preseason games for free is kind of hard to argue with.

  44. pabuwal says:

    There was no AP All Pro Second Team QB this year.

  45. Eddie Lacy over Lynch is a joke if you ask me.

  46. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Are you still taking KC over the Colts nate and Yank?

  47. ” As for lawmakers getting involved in blackout rules, I don’t see that happening in any way, shape or form.”

    Prior to 1973 the NFL used to black out ALL games in the home market even if they were sold out. Congress passed a law that stopped that practice, and that is why we have the current policy. So lawmakers have already gotten involved.

    “Congress intervened before the 1973 season anyway, passing Public Law 93-107, which eliminated the blackout of games in the home market so long as the game was sold out by 72 hours before game time.”

  48. HeinieHunter says:

    Back in the 70’s I bought season tickets along with a RCA Selectavision VCR. Being at the game was the best, then watching the game on tape when we got home was sensational. Television gives you a great picture but the electricity of the stadium and crowd is unforgettable. Best of both worlds.
    After 23 years of eating high priced dogs at The Kingdome and Clink I still buy a coke and dog for $1.50 every time I go to Costco trying to get even. Lol. Go Hawks!

  49. MoSeahawk12 says:

    pabuwal, I believe that was yanks attempt at a joke.

    Still kinda surprised the AP didn’t feel Brady or Brees were deserving. Brady has had a great season with rookie and unknown receivers.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “After 23 years of eating high priced dogs at The Kingdome and Clink I still buy a coke and dog for $1.50 every time I go to Costco trying to get even.”


  51. I live in NV now,so maybe get one game a year, but still love it. I get there early and find a free spot to park. I pound beers at my car, and eat a ton of food, so I don’t need to more than two beers during the game.

    I really don’t get the constant whining of people about the TV breaks. I mean do you actually expect the game to operate at a different pace in person than at home? I have no problem with the breaks, I watch the replay, I talk about the game with my friends.

    The cost of the games is ridiculous however, and I have never been in favor of these resale ticket sites (scalping is supposed to be illegal) and people buying tickets merely for the purpose of resale and profit.

  52. montanamike2 says:

    Mo’ that’s what i’m saying. Brady has done more with less.

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I think the reason there was no 2nd all pro QB is because Manning was a unanimous choice amongst all 50 voters.

  54. montanamike2 says:

    People still hold their breath when Manning is hit.

  55. GeorgiaHawk says:

    But I agree that the AP could have a better formula for picking the second team then just counting the leftover votes from the first team.

    Kind of weird.

  56. yankinta says:

    Yes, GeorgiaHawk, I am taking KC over the Overrated Colts. I would not be surprised if it’s a Blowout/easy win,, but the Colts are home so they should keep it close at the very least…. don’t want any boring games this weekend… :)

    I am also predicting Eagles, Bengals and 49ers to win.

    Although I’m rooting for Chiefs, Saints, Bengals and Green Bay for different reasons….

  57. One fact that makes us all nervous is that in the past 11 years since league realignment, only 2 out of 22 #1 seeds have won the Super Bowl. This article analyzes this history in great detail, and shows why seeds and WL records can be misleading as to which were actually the best teams. Ends up being more hopeful for the Seahawks, and a fun read.

  58. RDPoulsbo says:

    PSLs are the single greatest scam ever put upon a season ticket holder. I can’t even begin to understand how those are legal, much less a good business practice for treating your most loyal fans.

    That said, while I don’t want to sound unsympathetic to those complaining about high ticket prices, for the most part, it’s all supply and demand based on how well the team is doing. I was able to get tickets to the Rams game when they went on sale. Right next to the 12th Man flag for $55. Just before Thanksgiving, it looked like the team was going to wrap up HFA very early and didn’t want to go see backups play, so I sold them for 3x the face value (and I’m kicking myself for selling them because it turned out to be a great game). The league has no control over the price of the secondary market. Just look at the other extreme when the Hawks played in St. Louis and StubHub was selling tickets for less than $20. Before these past 2 years, I could get Hawk Nest tickets easily for $75. No way you’re going to find them for that price now.

    It might actually be a bad thing for Seattle this year, but help these other teams with trouble selling out is to allow the teams to set ticket prices. The league sets the prices for the playoffs, and that could be the problem.

  59. I had a good experience, excellent really, on the one game I attended this year (The Tampa Bay game at Clink). I knew in advance about the bag restrictions so that helped with my wife. The line for bag searches looked like it could take almost an hour, so I’m glad we avoided it. I can’t count the flight cost from Vegas as I was visiting my family up here anyway…but flights from Vegas on Southwest are usually only about 280 round trip if you time them correctly. I had a friend that gave me his season tickets for that game. Ate at Ivar’s in the stadium for about 25 bucks, got some beer and wine before the start…Hellish long lines for booze and bathrooms as was mentioned. Bought some souvenirs and all-tolled probably spent another 300 in the stadium. But had a great experience, sunny November day (how awesome is that?!) and and a wild comeback overtime win. Not bad for the money.

  60. PugetHawk says:

    Call me crazy but at the pace Maxwell is getting picks at, he may have been All-Pro if he had played all season.

  61. I know the 49ers are a popular pick here but I gotta say what would we think here if it was the Hawks going back to play at Lambeau in -15 snow? I think we’d be freaking (we freak over anything anyway…but still). I think the Niner fans should be freaking too. Travel 2/3 of the way across the country to play in that weather in a tough stadium…against a team at home that is more acclimated to it than you could ever be? That is not a good assignment…and it isn’t like the Niners have been mauling teams lately. I’m going with GB in a home upset. But it’ll be one win and out for them.

  62. montanamike2 says:

    I know who do you throw on, Sherman or Sherman 2.0?

  63. montanamike2 says:

    Vegas56 whoever wins is going to be tired and beat up, then play a rested Seahawks in Seattle. Players tend to pull groins and hammies when it’s super cold too, shame.

  64. montanamike2 says:

    I guess i’m assuming New Orleans loses.

  65. Great point about Maxwell. My initial impression of him was that he had poor technique, but the results are difficult to dispute. And, he gets a lot less penalties than Browner. I still prefer Lane opposite Sherman for the long haul, but that’s because I’m stubborn. ;-) Actually, I think he’s faster and a little longer, but am not at all disappointed with Maxwell.

    In the meantime, Crow anyone?


  66. seatowntp says:

    No rant, just respect.

    Honestly, prior to the 2010 draft I prayed that JS and Uncle Pete would select the local safety Taylor Mays. When they instead selected ET3, I was disappointed. Just look at the combine measurables!

    Mays Thomas
    Ht 6’3″ 5’10”
    Wt 230lbs 202
    Arm Lt 34″ 31 1/4″
    Hand Size 10.25″ 9 3/8″
    40yard 4.43 s 44.3 s (4.37 at his pro day)
    10yard 1.45 s 1.56 s
    20-yd split 2.46 s 2.50 s
    20-ss 4.24 s N/A (his choice)
    3-cone 6.98 s N/A (his choice)
    Vert 41″ N/A (his choice)
    Broad 10’5″ 9’5″
    BP 24 reps 21
    Wonderlic 22 13

    I know ET3 was considered one of the top two prospects after the combine, but PC loves physical freaks! Additionally, Mays was from Seattle! A perfect combination! What do I know?

    Oh, by the way, when Seattle was on the clock and the ESPN talking heads were suggesting Russell Wilson might go in that slot I was screaming at the television (to the Seahawks FO) NOT to take him! We already had our franchise, lead us to the Super Bowl, quarterback in Matt Flynn. What did we need Russell Wilson for?

    I know. I know. Don’t quit my day job.

  67. seatowntp says:

    Ugh! That didn’t format the way it was supposed to!!!

  68. Georgia, not sure if I picked KC earlier, but yes I would take them over the Colts. The only hesitation is that the Colts are at home. Really shouldn’t be IMO. The AFC South is a complete joke.

  69. Just shows how important HFA…and that St. Louis game was last week. If SF and Seattle had switched positions and it was a 12-4 Seahawks heading to play at Lambeau in the coldest football game in history? We would not be so sanguine and so happy to giddy on this blog this week.

  70. As for KC vs. Indy…regardless of how easy the AFC South is, I have had the strong sense that Kansas City were really pretenders all year. Their record against good teams bears that out. Stack the box and key on Jamaal Charles single-mindedly. My money is going on Indy at home…they may win in a real blow-out. I just don’t think KC is anything but smoke and mirrors.

  71. montanamike2 says:

    I’m really hoping KJ Wright plays in game 1.

  72. 73% of Americans frighten me…

  73. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I was a big Mays fan too but I wanted the FO to pick Berry in the draft.
    So glad we have Thomas & Kam.

  74. montanamike2 says:

    I wanted Berry too.

  75. doubledink says:

    It is time for the NFL to address the way they seed teams. It seems a crime to send a 12-4 team to the home of a 8-7-1 team, especially in those conditions. And I also thought it was not right for NO to have to visit us when we were 7-9. If you think about it, this year we could have been tied with SF at 14-2 and been the WC going to GB right now!

    I think a method of seeding could be by W/L record and make the first tie-breaker the division winner. What I wonder is if that would make the Division structure meaningless. It seems like it might. Thoughts?

  76. I don’t really see the Colts or KC as legit title contenders.

    I’m kind of surprised that Todd posted that article with religious/spiritual material, though it is a McGrath article. Especially when this blog can fly off of the rails in a hurry.

    Be careful, ChrisHolmes. ;-) I got some flak when I just linked an article about 60% of Americans believing that the story of Noah’s Ark was the literal truth. People get touchy.

  77. I have some good memories of going to the Kingdome with my dad when I was a kid, starting in the 70’s. Usually a few Mariners games a year and the Seahawks once every couple years.

    Last Seahawks game I went to was the playoff game against Washington in 2006. Had a great time, but there is something about watching it at home….

    Anyway, I thought about getting tickets to the next game, but decided to upgrade my ancient 30″ tube TV instead. The new 70″ HDTV arrives and gets set up on January 10. Go Hawks!!

  78. They should throw out division winners automatically getting a home game. Getting into the playoffs at 8-7-1 or 7-9 is plenty of reward in and of itself. They should reseed. I’ve seen a few talking heads pushing for it as well.

  79. doubledink says:

    That, and revoke the bye from the #2 seed and allow another WC team. Ariz should be in the post season. If they were 11-5 they would still miss it as it now is set up.
    Initially I resisted the idea of a 3rd WC, but not anymore.

  80. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m absolutely for division winners getting a guaranteed home game. This is what makes divisional games intense and fuels the rivalries. Get rid of that, then what’s the point of even having divisions in the first place? Look what happened in the NBA and NHL. You don’t hear anything about the Northwest or Pacific divisions in those sports. Just about the Eastern and Western conferences. After a few years, of taking away the biggest reward of winning your division, rivalries will erode. You want to be rewarded with a home game? Win your division. Wild Card teams are by definition not champions, so they should play on the road.

    Bottom line: The regular season is played to determine division champs. Playoffs are played to determine conference champs. The Superbowl determines league champs.

  81. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’ll throw in another argument for keeping the current seeding format. With just 16 games in the regular season, only the division scheduling is relatively balanced. Each team in the division plays 14 common games with just 2 games against different teams determined by the previous year standings. Changing the seeding creates even greater disparities. Should SF be rewarded for beating up on AFC and NFC South teams?

  82. doubledink says:

    I know, that is the main drawback. It is hard to justify though. When divisions are stacked/depleted with talent it does seem hard to justify home field to a weak team. That is why the division crown should have to be the 1st tie breaker.

    What would affect the rivalry concept the most would be if they backed away from facing division opponents twice a year. I think if they retained that aspect of it, the rivalries would survive.

    Like it or not, the idea is gaining traction.

  83. doubledink says:

    Draft seeding is per regular season record except for the SB winner. So some recognition is made of the concept.

  84. doubledink says:

    Perhaps just adding the 3rd WC team would be enough to alleviate the concerns.

  85. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I have no problem keeping things the way it is-

  86. chuck_easton says:

    The only way you can legitimately seed teams is to get rid of Divisions entirely. You also have to get rid of inter-conference play.

    Each team in the NFC plays 15 games against all other NFC teams. AFC is the same. That way every team plays the same schedule as the others in the Conference and you can better guage who had the better season.

    Then you take the top 5 (or 6) teams from each Conference and send them into the playoffs seeded according to how they finish.

    With the current system as stated the only true barometer is Division play because you have at least 14 games against the same teams as the other teams in your division. You beat more teams than your Division opponents you get rewarded with a home game in the play-offs.

    You can’t reward a team that finishes with a better overall record who got up to 10 of those wins beating up on weeker divisions while another team is able to win their division but faces tougher out of division teams so they finish with a worse record.

    You are comparing apples to oranges. How do you know that one team’s 11-5 second place finish is better than another team’s 10-6 first place finish (looking at Philly and NO) when the two teams didn’t play the same opponents?

    So, either nothing changes or go to Conference play only.

  87. RDPoulsbo says:

    For the record, I had zero problem with Seattle flying to Washington last year in spite of the better record. I firmly believed Seattle should have gone on the road as a penalty for not being division champion even though others complained, yet seemed to have forgotten about 2010.

    This happens every year and the only people that complain seem to be the fans of the wild card teams for their perceived plight. Bottom line is get over it. Both the 49ers and Saints had a chance to win their respective divisions and blew it. Their consolation prize is just being in the playoffs to begin with.

  88. doubledink says:

    You came to the same conclusion that I did when I was chewing on it last week. I think it would render the divisions useless. As it is now the only time it seems out of balance to me is when an entire division just stinks and it appears to penalize genuinely better teams. I understand why it is the way it is now and how they try to compensate via the draft and free agent pecking order. I have been just wondering if they look at tweaking the system, what are the inevitable consequences for doing so.
    Good insights all around.

  89. raymaines says:

    Both the 27 and 53 percent numbers worry me. Seriously, when was the last time Notre Dame, Boston College, BYU, SMU or TCU played for the national championship? It doesn’t even make theological sense.

    A few years ago there was a high school game between the Christians and the Barbarians. Just before kickoff the Christian kids gathered in a circle, knelt and started to pray. One of the Barbarians had never seen such a thing and asked the coach what they were doing and what it meant. The coach explained they were talking to God, and if they couldn’t pass, block and tackle it didn’t mean a thing.

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