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Morning Links: The day after the clinch

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 30, 2013 at 12:56 am with 80 Comments »
December 30, 2013 12:56 am
Jay Buhner was having trouble hearing when raising the 12th Man Flag Sunday. / TONY OVERMAN, staff photographer
Jay Buhner was having trouble hearing when raising the 12th Man Flag Sunday. / TONY OVERMAN, staff photographer

Good morning.

It took a couple tries, but the Seahawks were able to seal the NFC West title and the conference’s top seed Sunday with a beatdown of the St. Louis Rams.

The playoffs are set. Seattle will host the NFC’s lowest remaining seed Jan. 11 at 1:35 p.m. That will be either San Francisco, Green Bay or New Orleans.

The Seahawks tied the franchise record for wins, set in 2005, with 13. One of the more interesting stats: The Seahawks scored 417 points in the 2013 regular season (with the caveat the defense contributed significantly to the total). That’s more than last year, third-most in the NFC and third-most in Seahawks history. The 1984 team scored one more point, and the 2005 Super Bowl team scored 35 more points. We have a truckload of stats and notes to look at here.

We’ll chat today at 2 p.m.

Our links:

> Here’s my game story.

> Our Dave Boling writes that the Seahawks built this banner year a game at a time.

> Our John McGrath says the Seahawks left the squawking to the Rams and let their play speak for them.

> Golden Tate set career-highs in receptions and receiving yards Sunday, plus Earl Thomas on receiving the Steve Largent Award and injury updates.

> The Rams did walk away with one thing Sunday: a high draft pick. St. Louis has two first-rounders next year, the No. 2 and No. 13 overall picks.

> Our photo gallery.

Other links:

> 710’s Danny O’Neil writes that the offense is a concern heading into the playoffs.

> ESPN writes about the Seahawks keeping their cool during the game.

> Things we learned from the game via the Sports Xchange.

> Art Thiel writes that homefield is what it’s about for the Seahawks.

> The Everett Herald writes the Seahawks still have work to do.

> The Herald also writes about Malcolm Smith’s pick-six.

> Bernie Miklasz says the Rams love to act tough, but can’t keep composure.

> Seahawks playoff tickets go on sale Tuesday at 10 a.m.

> SI writes that the 49ers enter the playoffs this year with hardened resolve.

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  1. FleaFlicker says:

    Before we all descend into worries about offense and knashing of teeth about Percy-watch and the occasional personal invective…..

    ……..NFC West Champs!

    …….#1 Seed and HFA!

    ……..13-3 record!

    Let’s just take a second to enjoy that.


  2. CDHawkFan says:

    I think the seeding ended up as good as it could have for the Hawks.

    Send San Fran to GB. Sure they beat them in San Fran the 1st week, but this will be in GB in about 15 degree temps…have fun with that and the fact its an ‘extra’ game.

    While NO is terrible on the road, I wouldn’t be shocked if they win in Philly which would mean we could watch San Fran and Carolina beat on one another before one of them would need to come to Seattle.

    Playing on Saturday the 11th gives the guys 1 more day of rest for the NFC Champ game.

    One minor note, I only remember one ‘trick’ play this year, the Marshawn flip to RW, then bomb to Kerse. Last year we had a few WR to WR throws, etc. I think they had one dialed up yesterday when Okung had a false start. Anyway, I wonder if they are saving a few for the playoffs, they sure didn’t seem to show their cards much. Also, hoping they play to have more short passing at some point, maybe to catch a team off guard as they really haven’t used the TE 7-8 yards over the middle or screens much this year.

  3. montanamike2 says:

    When does KJ Wright come back?

  4. montanamike2 says:

    I’m glad we have the bye, after watching the slug fest yesterday we’re lucky to only lose Willson. The Rams were trying to kill Tate, when Wagner, Mebane and Sherman went down it was like a nightmare happening, I was glad to see Wagner back up a few plays later because it looked bad. I hope Sherman is ok, we need that bye.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I liked the energy level the team played with. If they bring it like that these next few weeks good things will happen imo.

  6. confucious says:

    It was good to see the run game show itself yesterday. It re-establishes the fact that PC and Bevell reference this blog before assembling game plans.

    It also shows that when given the chance to go, the oline can control the LOS. They may not be the best in the business. But they are a serviceable group and can wear down defenses through persistent repetition.

    Tate for president. He is turning out to be a great football player. Tough and clutch. I wonder what the Hawks record would be without him. If I’m the GM, Tate would be one of the most important re-signs come contract time.

  7. averagejay says:

    Agree with Confucious…Think about the field position on punts alone. Every punt is a scoring opportunity with Tate. He brings so many intangibles to the table. He reminds me of Steve Smith (Carolina).

  8. chuck_easton says:


    No reason to spend a nanosecond on Harvin. Reports from the NFL Network are that the team will finally IR him this week. He Gone.

    Let’s spend this week enjoying what was a great, but waaayyy to important a game to have to play the last day of the regular season.

    So, Seattle goes into the Playoffs with a starting WR group of Baldwin, Tate, Lockette, Walters, and maybe Kearse if he can heal over the next two weeks. Not great, but not bad either. I have been a Rice fan (even though he’s overpaid) for some time. I think people are beginning to see the value he brings to this team. He will be back next year.

    I hope the team can afford to keep Tate next year.

    On to the playoffs. My guess is we just might see NO given they get to play Philly.

    I personally don’t want to see SF or GB for the first game. With Rogers back GB will be a tough draw and we know SF will be tough.

    So, GO SAINTS!!!!!! Never thought I’d be rooting for that!

  9. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Congrats to TruBlu for winning the Pigskin pick em.

  10. banosser says:

    Just so long as SF & Carolina play in two weeks…

  11. montanamike2 says:

    2 weeks!

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Black Monday tracker that is”

  13. confucious says:

    Chuck, I wish I could agree with you about Rice. The things that stick in my mind are his frailty and dropped passes. It may be selective memory on my part, but I don’t recall much offensive production coming from him.

  14. montanamike2 says:

    Rice has been injured to the point where his play has diminished, that knee was bad before the season even started. Is Rodgers a fudge Packer?

  15. montanamike2 says:

    Just a play on Packers.

  16. banosser says:

    I recall some really tough catches he made in the past.. while taking some vicsious hits.. He was just a little over paid to come to the PNW..

  17. Dukeshire says:

    Actually I’d have no problem with Seattle hosting GB. Seattle matches up well against them.

    Speaking of things one never thought they’d say, Tate was straight up balling yesterday. I have to admit I’ve become a fan. I really respect his hard nosed approach.

  18. montanamike2 says:

    Tate really started coming on his 3rd year.

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I would love to have a healthy Rice back with the team but unfortunately he can’t stay healthy so he really adds no value to the team now and a high risk to add value in the future.

    I don’t want to have two WRs next year, (Harvin and Rice) that we have to constantly cross our fingers and pray to the football Gods for them to be healthy enough to make it through the season much less a few games.

  20. Palerydr says:

    I also couldn’t stand Tate for his attitude. I do however see he has raised his level of professionalism when it comes to playing the game so I didn’t think I would say this but they should cut Rice and give that money to Tate.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Is Irvin injured?
    I don’t think he had any tackles yesterday and he only had one assist the week before.
    What’s up with that?

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Wilson helped Tate become what he is today. He took him under his wing and guided him along to become a professional imo.

  23. Great team win. 1st seed, hell yes. I don’t really care who comes to play here. Any team at this point will be a tough game, but it’s here, in seattle, with the 12th man going nuts. Bring it on

  24. Southendzone says:

    Hey Georgia, i don’t think you have to worry much about having Harvin and Rice on the squad next season.

    Right now I feel it’s more likely Rice will contribute more in 2014 than Harvin.

  25. CDHawkFan says:

    If Tate was on another team I wouldn’t like him. He has been called ‘professional’ above and can only assume that you mean that he is professional because he shows up to work and contributes.

    I wouldn’t agree if you are calling him professional from a way he handles himself on the field. He asked for all that crap yesterday, he still has these silly looks after a 10 yard catch. Not a Fitz like jog back to the huddle and high-5 for his QB who threw him the ball. Yes, he might be driven that way and that might motivate him, but I wouldn’t call that professional, I would call it a bit immature, me first.

    BTW, I hope we resign him for #2 money.

  26. confucious says:

    Georgia, What if Tate improved due to his own desire and fortitude? Wilson is good, but I doubt he is worthy of all the praise heaped upon his young shoulders.

  27. confucious says:

    True CD. I think Fitz is the exception rather than the rule these days. At least Tate showed the ability to reign his actions in after past transgressions. Hopefully he won’t go T.O. or Steve Smith in the future.

  28. I’d just like to point out it’s stupid that I can’t read any TNT articles without registering and I can’t register without buying a subscription. Either that is the stupidest thing in the world or I am the stupidest person in the world…(which is entirely possible.)

  29. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think this was a great win, though frustrating early on. It was especially important to see that they could keep their composure when in the past, they would have just jumped into the fray. Hell, Breno was holding players back from fighting. Who would have thought that?

  30. aelliott11 says:

    Rice is gone. He makes too much money, he contributes too little.

    Harvin is fool’s gold. His ceiling is so high, his potential is so enticing, and you just think to yourself “if we can just keep him healthy…”.

    Harvin will be on this team next year. Rice will not be. And neither will contribute much.

  31. aelliott11 says:

    Hey Skavage – how do you think the TNT is supposed to stay in business? Newspapers are a dying business, and TNT was struggling before the Internet boom.

    Are they just supposed to crank out a product for free?

  32. There are a couple of negatives we could dwell on but this has all the makings of the season of our dreams and no season is ever perfect. I bet fans of the Dolphins even complained in their undefeated season when they lost Bob Griese for much of the year.

  33. ChrisHolmes says:

    Re: Aaron Rogers: It’s not news.

    I was hoping he was going to come out earlier this year when there was the building momentum that 4-5 guys were all going to come out at the same time and blow the lid off the issue. I figured if he came out, and being a QB on one of the nation’s most prominent teams, it would finally put this situation on the track that it needs to be on. Let’s get it over and done with, so it’s no longer an issue. No one chooses to be straight, and no on chooses to be gay. So it’s time.

    The NFL had a chance to be a pioneer, and they blew it at the 11th hour, and guys decided not to come out. It’s a shame, but I still think it will happen soon. I sure hope so.

    It would be sad if it happened to Rogers this way, however. Not cool to be outed by someone else.

  34. confucious says:

    I think it a choice. I also think they should keep it to themselves. Like the Duck guy said, You ain’t gonna change my mind about it so don’t bother.

  35. ChrisHolmes says:

    So when did you decide to be straight @confucious?

  36. I don’t see Rice as a Seahawk next season. He tore his ACL relatively late in the season so it’s not like he’s going to be 100% for week one next year anyways.

  37. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’ve known enough gays and lesbians to know it’s not a choice. I’ve never cared whether they talk about it around me either. It’s not like they are going to change my mind about women.

    Rice is as good as gone, but let’s talk about this year. Save those topics for the offseason. That’s not here yet in Seattle.

  38. This is a blog for football. Seahawks football. This is the best chance we’ve ever had to win a Super Bowl, on a Seahawks blog by the way, it’s not a gay blog, a Colts blog, or whatever. Can we please stick to the topic? Please?

    I bet we have hard core people who are Democrats on this blog. I bet we have some hard core Republicans on this blog. Who cares? It’s not a political blog. It’s for football. Seahawks football.

    Do you really want me to go off on a rampage here about how x-rays show/prove that there were more bullet fragments left in the body (wrist specifically) of John Connelly than were lost from the magic bullet, which proves a conspiracy in the JFK assassination? Or when I went to the 50th of the JFK murder in Dallas last month, how I listened to and spoke with one of the men in the autopsy room and he clearly remembers the lung not being punctured with meant there is a 0.0% chance the entry in JFK’s back could have come out his throat (as the magic bullet claims)? No. We keep personal crap like this off the blog and if we want to talk about it – we go to a blog or site that focuses on this stuff.

    So Aaron Rodgers is gay. I don’t care. If he’s not gay, I don’t care either. I do care about the groin of Brandon Mebane though because we need that guy 100% the rest of the way.

  39. Who cares what Roger’s orientation is. He is a darn good QB, which is all that really matters.

    Back to football…. Wilson’s passes down field seem consistently under thrown, like the TD yesterday to Tate. I always thought he had a pretty good arm but now I am not so sure. Either his arm is a little noddley or his accuracy is a little off.

  40. chuck_easton says:


    Not the place to bring your personal opinion in. As stated above, when exactly was it that you decided to be straight? Was it an agonizing choice for you? Did you go to the recruiting meeting for both sides and the straight side had the better buffet?

    Why then is it so hard to accept that people are what they are? Science can debate if it is genetic or if there is some other psychological component, but nobody choooses to be a second class citizen, chooses to be denied (until recently when the US finally came into this century) basic civil rights afforded to all other tax paying citizens, and chooses to be in a situation where they have to hide their family for fear of losing their employment.

    So what if Rodgers is gay. I look forward to a time when any sports star can step up to the podium and thank their partner (regardless of gender) for the support and love and nobody bats an eyelash.

    What I’m talking about is you see the SB MVP pick up his adorable little tyke and give a big hug and kiss to his wife and it’s a hallmark moment. If Rodgers goes on to another SB MVP and he is indeed gay, he should be able to put his arm around his partner and give a quick kiss on the cheek without it causing a national scandal.

    Until we reach that point, let’s just focus on football.

  41. “Speaking of things one never thought they’d say, Tate was straight up balling yesterday. I have to admit I’ve become a fan. I really respect his hard nosed approach.”

    Totally agree. He brought a real toughness to the game yesterday – reminded me of Steve Smith in Carolina, the way he took every lick they laid on him and got up with gusto. He’s become such an important part of the team this year. BTW, where was Baldwin yesterday? why so little targeting/production?

  42. Southendzone says:

    That article doesn’t prove anything. If I was a super mega millionaire I’d have a personal assistant too.

    And if I was friends with Aaron Rogers, I’d ask him if I could pose with the superbowl ring MVP ring, cause that’s just awesome.

    Whatever his persuasion, I hope he plays awesome this weekend and beats the 9ers.

  43. chuck_easton says:

    I still am of the opinin Rice will be back next season. He knows he’s not going to get anywhere near 8 million from another team. He knows this team is going to be good for a few/several more years. I think he will be asked and will accept the pay cut.

    I’m more worried about keeping Tater… He has done the true NFL Professional move (there, can tie in Professional and not have it relate to attitude) and had his best season in a contract year. Tate is going to want to cash in. With what Seattle has tied up in the man the myth the rumour, there is precious little money to go around and quite a few deserving players lining up to get their fair share.

    I don’t see Tate being willing to accept a contract in the range of 6-8 per season. I see him setting the bar at 10 million. At that amount he’s too rich for this team. He will test the FA waters and some team (SF) will give him the big bucks. Even if he gives Seattle the opportunity to match, I don’t see how Seattle can afford to pay him 10 million, the rumour 13 million, and still have the money laying around to re-sign Thomas, Sherman, Wagner, Wright, and others.

    I see Tate leaving, which is also why I put Rice back on the roster. Now if Tate comes to his senses and puts team over personal gain (yeah right, it’s still a business and these guys only have a small window to cash in…I wouldn’t blame Tate for getting as much as he can…see bbmate, I can see things from the players side sometimes) and Tate accepts a #2 WR contract of 6-8 million then I see Rice being gone.

    This team can’t go forward without both Tate and Rice with the rumour still hanging out in the trainers room and not making any guest appearances on the field.

    Imagine going into 2014 with Baldwin, Kearse, and Locketee as your top three.

  44. ohiohawkfan says:

    Well said BobbyK. (Although I would like to hear more about your thoughts on the JFK assassination someday) Just kidding. Let’s keep is Seahawks football fellow fans.

  45. ohiohawkfan says:

    “is” = “this”

  46. Southendzone says:

    No one thinks Tate is getting 10M a year, not even Tate himself. That salary puts you in the elite category.

    Tate is good & I love his game, the toughness and punt returns are huge for the Hawks, but I don’t see him as an elite WR and don’t think there’s a team out there that would pay him over the 10M/year level.

    I do agree with you that he will be interested in getting the biggest offer possible and it might not be us, but it’s not going to be 10M.

  47. There’s going to be tough choices, to be sure…but I think they keep Tate and let Sherman go…I hate to say that because he’s one of my favorites, and I just bought a Sherman jersey for my wife, who loves him…

    We have more depth at CB, and the FO knows how to find elite talent at the position deep into the draft…on the other hand, play makers at WR seem to be much harder for them to spot. Plus, the defense will continue to thrive without Sherman but the offense will be seriously handicapped without Tate…so Tate means more to the offense than Sherman means to the defense.

  48. I hope the Packers and Niners tie while beating the living be-jebus out of each other and neither team advances. We accept their forfeit and get an extra bye week out of the deal for the sake of Mebane’s “groin thing”, KJ, Kearse, Willllllson’s ankle, Okung’s toe, Sherman’s hip and Harvin’s 67 million dollar “condition” that remains a mystery wrapped in an enigma contained in a riddle.

  49. Also, Tate’s deal will be in the 8M range and Sherman’s will be twice as much…about 16M. Tate’s loss will have a greater impact on the team, and he costs half as much to keep.

  50. Well, Minnesota got eliminated from the playoffs, so the chances we’ll see Harvin this season are pretty much nill.

  51. “There’s going to be tough choices, to be sure…but I think they keep Tate and let Sherman go…I hate to say that because he’s one of my favorites, and I just bought a Sherman jersey for my wife, who loves him…”

    Hmm, you think? Sherman, his skillset/bravado/attitude is such a big part of what we’ve got going. there aren’t many like him in the league. I guess we’ll see, but I’m inclined to think they open the checkbook for him.

    Re Tate, I tend to agree that he’s not going to be paid like an elite receiver – his numbers just don’t bear it out – – in this, his best year, he put up, 64/898/5, that’s an almost identical season to what Rod Streeter put up for Oakland this year (just to pick a random name), and does anyone think he’s going to get $10M/yr? Of course, we are a prominent team, and if Tate kills it in the post-season (the way he did yesterday), he may get a bigger offer than I’m thinking.

  52. I’m not even sure we’ll have enough to pay Sherman even if we wanted to…does anyone know how much cap room we can free up by re-negotiating contracts and cutting players?

  53. Is it just me or does anyone else think Clemons has fallen off. And, Irvin has been an afterthought. Dude had 8 sacks as a rookie, it’s time to put him back at DE and let him do what he does best and that’s get after the QB.

  54. chuck_easton says:

    And let me be completely clear. I want to keep EVERYBODY. That nasty salary cap thingy keeps getting in the way.

    Hey, it’s not my money and if Mr. Allen wishes to buy the best toys for his hobby I’m not going to complain. But those silly NFL rules about an equal playing field and spending limits so you don’t have a situation like the Cowboys and 49rs of the 1980’s ever again prohibit spending like a drunk sailor on shoreleave.

    So yes, tough decisions are indeed coming. Seattle will go into 2014 with 43 of the current players already signed and accounting for 121 million of the projected 127 million cap. There are going to have to be quality players released, fan favorites allowed to walk and sign with another team that isn’t so hard up against the cap, and long term plans made to be able to pay the Franchise that 16-20 million a season he is going to demand and get come 2015.

    Can’t sign everybody. We are fortunate that Pete and Schneider are pretty good at finding cheap players that can come close to replacing the stars just at the time the stars are ready to cash in.

    I also would not be at all suprised to see them allow Sherman to go get his Revis money elsewhere. Can’t pay him 16 million a season, pay the Rumour 13 million a season, pay the Franchise 18 million a season, and have enough left to field a competitive team. Teams that tie 10-20% of their overall cap in two or three players end up with well paid stars on a non-competitive team. I’d rather have a bunch of no-names that keep the winning attitude than pay some stars and watch the product suffer.

  55. The off season can wait until after the Superbowl. My main concern for the team right now is health.

  56. Sounds like a Hutch move to me… You allow a star you drafted who can claim to be the best at what he does in the NFL and let him go but signs guys for a bunch of money that can’t claim to be the best at their positions. Stoopid.

  57. I suspect health is the main concern of every playoff team today.

  58. One good thing about a long Playoff run to the Super Bowl is that with all the coach firings today and in the near future, most teams won’t wait till after the Super Bowl to hire their new head coaches, which bodes well for the Seahawks. Bevell, Quinn, and Cable are all prospective Head Coaches that are all important to the success of the team, and I would hate to see them go anywhere.

  59. How about a 2013 NFL re-draft for the Seahawks to help this year:

    1.(25) Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
    2.(62) Larry Warford, G, Kentucky

    I’ll leave it at that.

  60. What were they thinking tying up so much money in Harvin? Was that an impulsive blunder or do they have a plan? Guess we’ll have plenty of time to discuss that topic starting in February.

  61. I was not an Irvin fan initially, but he does things that don’t show up on the stats. I don’t believe his rookie contract is up anyways, is it?

  62. RDPoulsbo says:

    rodman, since Cable, Bevell and Quinn are all considered principal coaches being an assistant HC or coordinator teams have to get permission from Schneider first. That’s likely not going to happen as long as they are in the playoffs.

  63. Irvin has 2 more years on his rookie contract and I suspect that 2 years from now we will all be won over by Bruce’s play if we ain’t already. I believe in Bruce.

    That said I was a bit miffed that we passed on Brockers at the time and traded down.

  64. I think the twins would probably take a “do over” on Carp and Harvin, but Irvin helped this team to the #1 defense. He’s not a liability.

  65. ChrisHolmes says:

    I don’t even want to think about the off season. I trust the FO to continue to put together a competitive, playoff-contending roster every year.

    Do I have my favorites? You bet. I hope they find a way to keep Tate, for one. I think the kid is a solid playmaker. I think he’s electric. II think every time he touches the ball something amazing can happen. I think yesterday is a great example of what he can do when the opportunities are there and the gameplan shifts his way. And he has obvious chemistry with RW.

    What’s his value in terms of dollars? I don’t know. I just know that electric playmakers are hard to find. You tend to want to keep them on your roster when you draft them.

    And I just want to say, as well… Lynch was money yesterday. That was the kind of workhorse, powerful, dominating run performance that I think we’ve come to appreciate from him. He and Adrian Peterson man… they just run damn hard every time. It’s a joy to watch. I hope everyone appreciates it now, because guys like him and Peterson and Earl Campbell, they just don’t come along very often. He’s a force. I thought he really put the offense on his back yesterday and he’s a big reason we got the W.

  66. ohiohawkfan says:

    I’m still holding out hope we seen Harvin on the field in two weeks. I’m probably just being naive, but how cool would that be. I prefer to be “glass half full” right now wtih the #1 seed accomplished.

  67. The Rams got a taste of the beast…he was awesome! By the way, did you see Lynch grab run over in a hurry to grab his helmet…was he going to jump into the fight on the field…still not sure why he was rushing out to the field, since the offense was on the sidelines.

  68. Since the alternative is not that appealing, I have to figure that PC/JS made the offer to Harvin knowing full well that the offer could fit within their plan for handling Sherm, Tate, Earl, RW, and so on coming off their “cheap” contracts.

    Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I don’t get the feeling that PC/JS would sign Harvin to the contract he got to go for broke this season knowing that it would screw them cap-wise for next season and beyond.

    But that is for February, hopefully after RW is appearing in Disneyland commercials saying “I’m going to Disneyland” and the team taking a ride through downtown Seattle with a Lombardi.

    The O is still concerning. They struggled a bit early on with 3rd again and gotta turn those turnovers into TDs.

    Somebody mentioned this up thread, but it seems to me that a number of RW’s throws are just “off”. It still seems like he’s throwing high and the deep balls seem to always be put in a place where the WR has to make a play. More so than last year.

  69. Its funny to see the opinions on Tate see-saw every couple weeks. When he was pressing a couple of weeks ago, he was a bum. When Baldwin was getting all the throws, he was a bum…now when we most needed it he plays like a stud, despite cheap shots galore and a real pounding, and everyone loves him again. Man, Hawkfans can be a fickle bunch.

    After hearing Tate’s comments regarding the Rams attitude, trash talk, and dirty play (threatening and trying to tear his knee, etc), I dont blame him for his taunting earlier this year. They deserved it. And while its annoying when he celebrates big plays, what about Bennets awful hump move after sacks?! No one has complained about that. Or Rice’s idiot spinning the ball move? Tate can be annoying, but since the Rams game earlier this year, he’s been nothing but professional.

    Anyone think Percy Harvin even healthy could have put up with that punishment and not wimped out?! I sure as hell dont.

    It wouldnt surprise me if Baldwin was gimpy too, and that played a major part in Seattle’s gameplan featuring Tate. Carrol has wanted to get the ball to Tate more, and its only Bevell’s crappy simplistic pass routes and terrible gameplanning the last few games that have kept Tate from putting up much bigger numbers.

    While not a polished route runner, Tate gets better every year, and he has so much potential its scary. There are quite a few teams that would love to have Tate based on his toughness, leaping ability, strength, and likely on his potential alone. On a team that passes less than any other in the league, he racked up 900 yards on 64 catches. On a normal team, I think he could put up 90-100 catches and 1300 yards and 12 TD’s easy.

    You dont think Jax will be willing to spend $10 million a year to get Tate alongside Cecil Shorts? I do.

    Rice is gone. He’s a polished route runner, and made some tough catches, but was just as likely to drop the tough ball or get a concussion without even being hit as he was to make a play. Even taking into account that his stats were depressed by our offensive scheme, the guy underperformed in every way imaginable, except as a teammate and leader. And that leadership aint worth $8 million a year. That money will go towards signing Tate next year unless Carrol and Schneider are mad.

    Im going to be sick if signing Harvin costs us Tate.

    I was bummed not to see Kearse playing. Walters did nothing, predictably, and Lockette as usual was good for one catch. At least he did some great things on Special Teams!

    Im really hoping Willson gets better in time to contribute for the playoffs. Im also looking forward to Kearse and Mebane getting better. Those guys are pretty important cogs in the great wheel.

  70. Southendzone says:

    When they do finally IR Harvin, will we finally get some straight talk from the team about how badly they botched this trade?

    I’m a bit tired of hearing how they are in it for the long term, they knew the risks, and they’re OK with the trade.

    It is “Tell the Truth Monday” after all, right Pete?

  71. Barring a major explosion of sacks by Clemons, I dont see Seattle keeping him around. He’s playing well, but not getting pressure and he looks a step slow now. Avril on the other hand, seems to be improving week to week. And Michael Bennett is a guy we just have to get locked up with a longterm deal; he’s earned it, and Tampa were idiots as usual to let him go.

    There is also Benson Mayowa and Obrien Schofield as cheap options. I think Mayowa is another year from contributing as a starter, but he should produce next year. Schofield has to hate life being on the bench, knowing he’s good enough to start elsewhere. Hopefully we salve the sting with a SB victory ring.

  72. “The Rams got a taste of the beast…he was awesome! By the way, did you see Lynch grab run over in a hurry to grab his helmet…was he going to jump into the fight on the field…still not sure why he was rushing out to the field, since the offense was on the sidelines”

    there was a scuffle starting, and he was going out there to defend teammates, until RW wisely stopped him.

  73. IRvin was playing lights out football until that play a month or so ago, when he blitzed and the RB hit him just above the knee. Since then, he’s disappeared. So it wouldnt surprise me if he had a bad bone bruise on his thigh or a knee sprain, and so has lost some speed and agility. That would explain Seattle using Clemons more to drop back in cvg and run stuff, and the lack of blitzing by Irvin lately.

    I also think teams know that Irvin is scary fast. I have noticed they dont throw his way in coverage very often, nor do they try to run at him much. He’s not making splash plays lately, but he’s doing his job and not getting beat.

    If and when Irvin gets healthy, I expect Seattle to use him as a pass rusher more often, and along the LOS, like they were doing earlier this year. He was a force even in run defense earlier in the year.

    Getting Wright back will be good, if only for depth. If we lose KJ and Wags, were screwed! Ive been saying all year long Malcolm Smith played well in place of Irvin and should be starting instead of Wright. Wright then improved his pass coverage dramatically. Now I see us as having four starting caliber LB’s. SMith’s speed needs to get more playing time, even if its at KJ’s expense. Though I will be stoked when Wright comes back.

  74. Lynch does appear to have lost a step as far as speed goes, but he’s still a great back due to his toughness and balance. Its a shame our offensive line is so stinking bad. Lynch has made chicken salad out of chicken crap line blocking all year.

  75. chuck_easton says:

    I agree with you STTBM on Clemons. He is due to make $7.5 million next season with a cap hit of 9.6m. I think they cut Clemons save $7.5 million and put that money into contract offer(s) for Bennett, Avril or both. Not sure they can get both Bennett and Avril for that amount. May have to choose between the two. Tough call.

  76. I just wonder if the Championship caliber team that the Seahawks have built is enough to keep guys like Bennett and Avril around. They got way fewer snaps than they are used to. We had no DLineman make the ProBowl, but had one of the best lines statistically in the League. Seems like PC may think you can drop guys in and anybody would look good.

  77. Chuck–I think Avril signed a two-year deal, so he’s a Hawk next year no matter what. Bennett will now get a lot of interest from other teams, and if I had to choose I’d certainly take him over Clemons. At this point, I’d take Avril over Clemons, as I think we’d be okay with a combo of Schofield and Mayowa and/or Morgan and Irvin at Leo. But losing Bennett would hurt pretty bad.

    Goodell screwed up the Pro Bowl balloting so bad this year its crazy. How can Farwell be our ST guy, but no vote possible for Lane?! How come we didnt even really have the option of voting for Avril? Or McDaniel/McDonald? Stupid on Goodells part, along with the non-conference voting and the idiotic Pro Bowl “Draft”.

  78. @aelliott11 – Maybe you should consider looking at my posting history here regarding ad revenue before responding with a comment like that. I know EXACTLY how newspapers (and other forums, blogs, etc.) generate on-line revenue to stay in business. From your post I am fairly certain you do not.

    Again for the record…it is stupid for an online entity, in this case a newspaper, to require readers to purchase a PRINTED media subscription in order to read ONLINE material. There are MUCH more effective ways to generate revenue for your online readers, including those that require a paid electronic (i.e. on-line) subscription.

    Unfortunately TNT has chosen to integrate a horrible registration process that not only doesn’t work very well, it also causes potential customers to click AWAY from their website. And let’s not forget this is from the same marketing department that had this very blog full of broken ad links for months on end, even after having it pointed out to them. So ummm yeah…great blog. Good newspaper. Horrible marketing leadership. Attention to detail is sorely lacking.

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