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Morning links: Stopping the mighty Quinn

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 27, 2013 at 1:28 am with 44 Comments »
December 27, 2013 1:29 am

Good morning.

The NFL’s sack leader is coming to town after tossing Russell Wilson to the ground three times in their first meeting.

Rams defensive end Robert Quinn and his 18 sacks will be lining up Sunday most often across from Russell Okung, who was not on the field in Seattle’s 14-9 sliver of a win Week 8 in St. Louis. Okung is plenty aware of Quinn, however.

“His athleticism’s off the charts,” Okung said. “He has really long arms; he plays with his hands extremely well. He has a really good knack for getting around the edge and hitting you inside with a really good counter, too.

“He kind of plays off that, then he gets you into his games and before you know it he’s trying to set you up. He’s a very talented player, man.”

I wrote more about Quinn, who still has a tumor resting on the top of his spinal cavity, for today’s paper.

Links:

> NFL.com says the Seahawks have the league’s best defensive nucleus.

> 710’s Danny O’Neil looks at late-season slumps and if they matter in the playoffs. We touched on the myth of the “hot team” the other day.

> Stats from Mike Sando.

> Here’s some audio of John Clayton and Sando talking about the Seahawks and the NFC West.


>The Everett Herald writes that Russell Wilson will be fine.

> Seahawks home playoff tickets are already on the market.

> Yet another look at the crazy punt coverage numbers the Seahawks are putting up.

> The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says this is the final chance for Quinn to make his case as defensive player of the year.

> Rams WR and KR Tavon Austin again missed practice Thursday.

> The Post-Dispatch also writes about Richard Sherman.

> SI.com looks at which coaches are safe and which are not following the finale of the regular season.

> Picks for the week from NFL.com.

> The Houston Chronicle writes that two members of the 1993 Houston Oilers were gay, teammates knew and didn’t care.

Leave a comment Comments → 44
  1. boycie99 says:

    Game plan this week.
    O-Line needs to give Russell a chance and if that means putting in an extra TE then so be it.
    Get Lynch putting up at least 3-4 yards per run, none of this getting hit in the backfield, use more FB to help.
    Have Russell take the 1st down if its there, no need everytime to try and throw a 20 yard bomb.
    Play action, screens and slants to the other TE to keep the Rams D honest
    Let the D do their thing and hold the Rams to 3 and outs or long FG tries.
    No silly penalties on either side of the ball, especially delay of games they are just momentum and drive killers

    Sounds easy and I think if we don’t over think it, over try it then it should be as it sounds

    24-9 Hawks

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    How have the Ram’s played on the road in recent weeks against the other NFC West teams?

    They lost to the 49ers 23-13.
    And lost to the Rams 30-10.

    Let’s hope that trend continues.

  3. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I’m sorry Mr. Quinn, but Paul McQuistan will not be lining up across from you on Sunday.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    It won’t matter where Quinn line up, Seattle’s line will have to scheme for him. He is dominant and incredibly disruptive, obviously. Regardless, Okung needs to have his best game of the season, Sunday.

  5. averagejay says:

    We hope you make the playoffs too…Next time you come to our house…different story.

    http://on.nfl.com/1jPrJjt

  6. yankinta says:

    Wow,, Grantland’s All Pro Team. RW is 2nd team All Pro. Very Impressive!!! :)

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10199548/bill-barnwell-pick-nfl-all-pro-team

  7. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    @Duke, very true as I remember the last time we faced the Rams there were a few plays that Quinn wasn’t even blocked.. Having Okung and Breno back will make a huge difference, i’m also hoping that Bowie can stay in the lnup with Sweezy returning.

  8. thursday says:

    Sw an article on sun the other day that the way to beat Wilson is to dare him to run. It does sort of seem like that lately, and yet I remember some games where we won because he called that bluff

  9. R Dub didn’t seem to have the same swagger in his press conference that I’ve been used to most of the season. Usually he’s flashing that big smile, talking about the week and what’s coming up with conviction.

    To me, he seems a bit more reserved, almost cautious and is projecting less confidence about him. I’m sure he’ll be fine come Sunday, but something is different. Maybe it’s the holidays…the guy certainly has been through a lot, but ever since that opening series @ SF this last time, he hasn’t looked the same.

    If however there was ever a guy with the grit and determination to prove all the naysayers wrong, it’s #3.

    Seeing it live will be a treat on Sunday. I can hardly wait…

    GO HAWKS!

  10. Southendzone says:

    Hey Thursday, try to find that link, I’d be interested in seeing it.

    RW doesn’t look to run much, he always wants to throw the ball when he gets on the move. I wish they would put in a couple run plays for him here and there because I think it changes the defenses mindset.

    Todd, your article on Quinn was interesting, I didn’t know that thing about his spine tumor. I’m making a voodoo doll of his tumor today and going to see if I can get it to act up before Sunday’s game.

  11. I think the Offense is at it’s best when Wilson is running as well. It seems average at best when he becomes a pocket passer.

  12. thursday says:

    Wow autocorrect effed up my post lol. I *saw an article on *SBN, which is right here: http://sbn.to/K7aIku

    It’s not all that good, but the overlaying point I think is valid. Wilson HAS called that bluff before and it’s helped us win. He did a lot of running in circles, trying to extend plays instead of just trying to get yardage when guys weren’t open. That 27 yard run at one point shows what might have been had he tried it more often.

    I mean, I think it’s great he doesn’t drop and take off at every chance, but when he gets super conservative like that, it’s just about as bad of a decision imo.

  13. Dukeshire says:

    That article about the ’93 Oilers and two gay players was written like it was done by a child. Other players knew about the “situation”? What “situation”? If the consensus was that the players didn’t care, then there is / was no “situation”. Good lord…

  14. Happy Holidays everyone! The ridiculousness if a good number of posters here led me to take a step back this past week.

    Seriously, where do some of you get off dictating what people say and think? Calling into question someone’s fandom is always a douche move, but doing it because someone posted a comment you disagree with–one that fits within blog rules–is truly pathetic troll behavior.

    Many of you seem to equate supporting a team with being blindly loyal to players and coaches, as well as staying insanely positive in all situations.

    If you disagree with an opinion or analysis, post your rebuttal–just keep it within the rules. As I said, Ive noticed a huge uptick in personal attacks and fanhood judgements with little or nothing to back it up besides “Your opinion isn’t mainstream”.

    Last time I checked, this blog was for discussing all things Seahawks. I’ve seen nothing in the blog rules stating its the Russel Wilson No Criticism Fanboy Lovefest Official Website.

    In my opinion, the recent poor decision making by the Seahawks coaching staff and RW, not to mention the return of the constant stupid penalties, mixed with the failure of the line to get Lynch even one YPC before contact, raises legitimate questions regarding Seattles ability to win in the playoffs, let alone win the big game.

    Neither RW nor the line has even achieved mediocrity since NO–never mind the game planning and playcalling; they’ve been at the bottom of the NFL for weeks now. To say otherwise is laughable homerism.

    We all believe Seattle should win it all this year, and that RW will be great. But offensive performances like the last two weeks are not acceptable nor abberrations. This team will either improve dramatically or else lose badly at home to an inferior team.

    Ok, rant off. Carry on, and best wishes on a happy new year and a Seahawks SB victory.

  15. bulldog80,

    I believe this scenario would send us to Green Bay for a wild card game:

    If Green Bay wins @ Chicago & Philly wins @ Dallas, G.B. is the #4 seed.
    If Seattle loses to the Rams & S.F. wins @ Arizona we are the #5 seed.
    We would play the wild card game @ Green Bay.

    I for one don’t want that.

  16. With regards to that SB Nation article posted by thursday, Wilson absolutely has to be willing to take off and run when he sees man to man coverage and nothing open within the first few reads.

    His refusal to do this in the Rams game and the last Cardinals game led to the offense’s worst games of the year. He has the ability to carry a team on an MVP level but it won’t happen with him sitting in the pocket waiting for guys to get open that can’t beat even average man CBs.

  17. Okung has not played at all well this year, pre or post injury. And Quinn isn’t the only pass rush threat the Rams have–Long is a beast, so is their DT Brockers, not to mention the LB’s. Seattle will need to scheme well to keep RW from getting battered.

    Also, the recent insistence on holding the ball too long, waiting for WR that never get open, must stop. So too must the exclusive use of late-developing and/or deep routes end. Bevell seems to not have received the memo that the NFL has his pass plays figured out; that maybe a few more WR screens, slants, curls, and other WCO staples need to be used so the D doesn’t know where we’re going on every play.

    RW needs to start taking the check down route as soon as its open, rather than holding the ball until even the outlet guy is covered; especially on second down. Four yards with a shot at more is a lot better than yet another incompletion on third and four…

  18. Pabs–I agree. It’s been frustrating watching RW hold the ball when there are yards to be gained. I’ve said it before; I have yet to see this offense work vs a good defense without some threat I’d RW read option.

  19. thursday says:

    @pabs my exact thoughts. it’s a big part of what has made him such a weapon in our offense’s best games is that constant threat to run. when he holds onto the ball too long is when we have games like the cards and the rams. it’s all about getting manageable downs instead of having third and longs due to incompletions and maybe a short lynch gain.

  20. Okung may not be playing like he did last year, but he’s still on another stratosphere than the depths of what McQuistan was at LT.

  21. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Pabs, what pocket? The one we rarely see and when we do Wilson has little time to sit in?
    You mean that pocket?

  22. He had plenty of pockets in the Cardinals game.

  23. Southendzone says:

    Anyone remember the 1st AZ game this year? I believe our 1st play was a R/O with like a 12 yard gain for RW. That threat needs to be there against the defenses with monster D-Lines, it definitely helps.

    Then remember Indy totally schemed for it with that one LB watching for it nearly every play, so this is where Bevell earns his money and makes the next level adjustment (whatever that is)

  24. Dukeshire says:

    I do agree with pabuwal here, the line did give Wilson some clean pockets to work from last week.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “How dare the NFL keep us in the NFC west where we have to face three of the best defenses six time each year. How dare they!”

    It’s all Bevell’s, Wilson’s and the O-lines fault for having poor games against top Defenses.”

    “It has nothing to do with the 49ers, Rams and Cardinals D, It’s all on our offense!”

    “Just like it has nothing to do with our Defense when they beat down teams like the Giants, Saint, and Cardinals. It has to be that those Offenses didn’t play well.”

    Time for a wake up call because we don’t have the only Bad A$$ Defense in the NFC West.

  26. GeorgiaHawk says:

    There was some pockets in the Cardinals game however when Wilson had them the Cardinals had good coverage.

    Give the Cards some credit. Their D is for real.

  27. Is it today or tomorrow when we find out whose roster spot goes to WTIII?

    Is Harvin going to IR or is a player going to get cut and those of us holding out hope he can make an impact in the play-offs going to continue? Oh, the drama…

  28. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I didn’t think I would ever say this but I miss Sydney Rice. I underestimated his value to the team.

  29. Southendzone says:

    ya Georgia, that Rice injury was unfortunate, as well as the roster move where we lost Williams just the week before. He seemed like the perfect guy to step into Rice’s role.

  30. WTIII is back on a roster exemption right now. As soon as he is activated for the game someone else must go but I don’t know the deadline for that.

    Yes Georgia I miss Rice’s presence at least. His production was down but he brought something that none of our current guys possess. On Harvin, when we first made the move my gut reaction was that I was pissed off, granted I didn’t know squat about him. Starting with Nate B. to Rice to Harvin and the frustration of the situations surrounding all 3 it’s safe to say that I’m done with Minnesota wide receivers. Let’s try a different team next time.

  31. Todd Dybas says:

    Hey, folks.

    We’ll likely find out the roster move for Thurmond on Saturday.

    In regard to Wilson, he’s on pace to run more often than last year and already has more rushing yards. Last season, he ran 94 times for 489 yards (5.2 YPC). This year, he’s run 91 times for 540 yards (5.9 YPC). Maybe there is more there, but he’s running as much as last season and with better results.

    — Todd

  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Wow! Just wow!

    Look what Bill Barnwell,(from GrantLand) has to say about Earl Thomas being on his NFL All Pro team.

    “I don’t know what else Thomas could do to get better, to be honest. He hasn’t acquired a second starter for the Mariners or restarted the Sub Pop Singles Club yet. It’s still too early to start figuring out which freeway the city should name after him, but not by much. He’s basically a perfect football player.”

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Todd for the info.

    I haven’t done the research on it but I would bet that Wilson has faced far better defenses this year, and he has done so with more injuries to the O-line and WR positions, so it is amazing to me that overall his passing stats and running stats are about the same or slightly better than last year.

  34. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I think Harvin will stay on the roster with hopes that he can play in January. You nmight as well keep him around because you have nothing to lose. They don’t need his roster sport for WTIII. They can easily cut Perrish Cox, Bryan Walters or the extra offensive lineman(Caylin) we are carrying.

  35. “I’m sorry Mr. Quinn, but Paul McQuistan will not be lining up across from you on Sunday.”

    amen to that. that might have been the single biggest man to man mismatch I saw all year. the gap in athleticism between those two was incredible – Okung will make a game-changing difference there, even if he gets beaten on a few plays.

    agree that Russell is at his best when his runs are a principal part of what he does, gives the Hawks offense that aura of unstopability, there are few things more demoralizing to a defense than a QB scramble when you’ve gotten a pass rush and covered the receivers.

    i’m feeling good about this week – feel like the team is going to come out very very focused and intense. they’ve worked hard for a long time to get this HFA that they know is their best shot at getting to the big game.

  36. Southendzone says:

    Todd,

    Any way to know how many of those runs were planned vs off a scramble/breakdown? Early this season he was running a ton off of broken plays (Houston game comes to mind). Last year a lot of them seemed planned (Buffalo game example).

  37. Once we enter the playoffs I imagine that Russell will be more decisive with regards to running. It seems that he “wants” to scramble to throw even when there is a better gain to be had on the ground. When it becomes a do or die situation he may choose to take that gain.

  38. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I didn’t see there was a consensus at all with regards that the players didn’t care about playing with gay teammates from the article about the 93 Oilers.
    All I got from that article was a few players didn’t care and decided to take it upon themselves to include the whole team with their views.

    Stupid article.

  39. raymaines says:

    Dukeshire at 9:17 AM says: That article about the ’93 Oilers and two gay players was written like it was done by a child. Other players knew about the “situation”? What “situation”? If the consensus was that the players didn’t care, then there is / was no “situation”. Good lord…

    I agree. but with something resembling irony, that really should have read “Good Lord” [Cap L].

    I know this isn’t football related, but it’s important to me so please bear with me a minute.

    I know more about Christian theology and am more of an expert in “sin” than most of you, so here I go.

    The bible has more than one list of sins and we presume none of them are all inclusive. Being “gay” is generally frowned upon, but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about the closest thing we have to an actual admission that being gay is a “sin”.

    However, being fat (a glutton) or a gossip, a lier, prideful, or even being a mischief maker are specifically mentioned as being sinful.

    But just for the sake of the discussion, lets assume that being gay is a sin. The whole point of Christian doctrine is that Jesus is perfect and is the only person ever born to have earned the right to avoid Hell and go to heaven on His own merits. That same Jesus offered his life as a perfect sacrifice for all sin forever. According to the Christian doctrine, faith in Jesus’s sacrificial death is enough to cover all sin, every sin for all time, forever.

    How dare some fat, prideful, trouble making jerk tell me or anybody else that being gay is some sort of Unforgivable Mortal Sin?

    Okay, back to your normal programming. Thanks for your time.

  40. raymaines says:

    Sort of related, kid of. A little bit anyway….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-NuleBqWw8

  41. “Neither RW nor the line has even achieved mediocrity since NO–never mind the game planning and playcalling; they’ve been at the bottom of the NFL for weeks now. To say otherwise is laughable homerism.”

    I fail to see how calling someone a homer because they disagree with your completely subjective opinion is any better than questioning someone’s status as a fan because you disagree? Please enlighten us. Pot, meet kettle.

  42. MoSeahawk12 says:

    If one bitches loudly week in and week out, even Helen Keller can hear, yet the numbers and wins tell a different story, then at some point it most be true…or at least as true as yanker hating Luck, missing predictions 95% of the time and loving Wilson the very most and all. The only thing missing is ALL CAPs. I say therefore it is Stone Truth!!! You haven’t missed much bbnate.

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