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Morning Links: The 49ers writing may be on the wall, in Seattle

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 18, 2013 at 12:55 am with 75 Comments »
December 18, 2013 12:55 am

Good morning.

San Francisco fans plan to fire back after a “Go Hawks!” banner that was flown around Candlestick Park two weeks ago.

A group has come up with the money to put a billboard less than a mile from CenturyLink Field that shows five Super Bowl trophies with Dwight Clark’s end zone catch in the background and says, “How many do you have?”

Here’s more on the proposed billboard that the group hopes stays up into the playoffs.

Our Don Ruiz writes about the Seahawks running game facing the league’s top rush defense Sunday.

Also, our John McGrath has his usual interesting take, today saying when field-goal kicking becomes this easy, it’s time for something to change, namely the height of the crossbar.


> A look at Russell Wilson through the eyes of Michael Robinson, over at Monday Morning Quarterback.

> Wearing a Russell Wilson jersey onto an Alaska Airlines flight will get you priority boarding.

> The New York Times writes that, when adjusted for the heavy passing focus of the modern NFL, the Seahawks’ pass defense is a “Super Bowl championship away from being considered one of history’s best.”

> Looks like Larry Fitzgerald should be joining us Sunday.

> writes about the Seattle run defense improving.

> Aaron Rodgers plans to practice Wednesday with the Packers.

> Jerry Jones doesn’t plan on giving up his GM title because, basically, he said he would make all personnel decisions anyway.

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  1. jawpeace says:

    Typical 49er fan response. If they are starting a fan war they are going to lose.

    Todd when you say good morning you really mean top of the morning to you the morning was only 55 minutes old when you posted this!

    A thought about the special teams it seems to me that the ST unit is getting so focused on the record and stopping any punt returns that they are missing the most important part getting the punt off. 49ers had a block and the Giants were very close on one and seemed to be too close on another. So that is two games in a row where there was poor execution in block protection.

    And I am so thankful that Paul Allen is intelligent enough to stay away from GM duties. Cowboys have not really been good since Jimmy Johnson left. He was not a puppet for Jones every other coach has been and it shows.

  2. jawpeace says:

    I already see what is going to happen with that bill board it is going to get paintball blasted to hell. I can see drive by shootings with high power automatic spyder paintball blue and green ammo. Hopefully no Hawk fans gets caught in a vandalism misdemeanor. As I am sure we can come up with other more creative ways to banter the Whiner fans.

  3. CDHawkFan says:

    If you choose to use your one chance to talk about your team and the topic you choose is past accompishments, what does it say about/how does this support your current team?

    Its a bit like Kodak putting up a ”we were great 20 years ago” sign outside of Canon Headquarters in Japan.

    I’m glad the Hawks fans have choosen to talk/support the current team with the brick and airplane sign.

  4. I can’t say what my first reaction to the billboard was, but my second was that I hope they put it up. That would have to really fuel the ‘Hawks to crush them–especially if they come up to Seattle in the playoffs.

  5. ohiohawkfan says:

    CDHawkFan – Loved the Kodak anology. Funny stuff.

  6. montanamike2 says:

    That billboard would be a serious mistake for the Whiners, if our players saw that all the time they would pay them back on the field for years to come. Baldwin had one of his greatest games after that stupid USA Today article, now multiply that by 20+. That’s a good analogy CDHawkFan.

  7. montanamike2 says:

    Sorry ohio, i’m a slow typer and we both posted the same thing.

  8. confucious says:

    Ok, next move is to hire a paint crew to paint the golden gate bridge blue and neon green.

  9. montanamike2 says:

    I’d like to put up a billboard showing how many times the Whiners choked in the Super Bowl.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Todd for the NY Times link.

    I especially like this part-

    “Seattle ranks No. 1 in passing yards allowed and in interceptions, a feat that has been accomplished only three times in the N.F.L. Two of those teams won championships that season (the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the 1963 Chicago Bears), while the third (the 1982 Miami Dolphins) lost in the Super Bowl.”

  11. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Keep hearing this “FGs are too easy now” issue – Here’s an idea:

    Usually the kick occurs about 7 yards behind the line. How about a rule requiring the kick to be no more than 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

    Kickers would have to really get the ball up quick, blocks would be more common and you’d see more go-for-its on 4th down. FGs all of a sudden become very exciting plays.

    I like all of those consequences. Kickers would hate it but isn’t that the idea?

  12. Dukeshire says:

    “Typical 49er fan response. If they are starting a fan war they are going to lose.”

    Seattle fired the first shot when a Seahawks banner flew over Candlestick (which I absolutely love, BTW). And frankly, I think the 49er response is pretty funny.

    For those that haven’t read it, the Robinson piece about Wilson, while a few days old, is pretty good.

  13. chuck_easton says:


    That would be exactly 1 time. SF is 5-1 in Superbowl appearances. They won the first 5 they were in.

    Seattle just needs to worry about their own business. Win the Division get to the Superbowl, hopefully win the Superbowl and then all the talk from 49r fans means nothing.

    It stinks that the two best teams in the NFL right now are in the same division, let alone the same conference.

    Seattle will very likely play SF in their first playoff game unless SF gets the #5 seed and both SF and the #6 WC team win in the first week or SF loses their first playoff game.

  14. RDPoulsbo says:

    The only thing better would be if they put the billboard up just outside the VMAC. This is such a sad attempt to get under Seattle fans’ skin, I cringe for their fanbase. Talk about accomplishments over 20 years old (when Seattle want even in their conference) after the Hawks head for yet another division title over them. Sad.

  15. Dukeshire says:

    HawkFromDay1 – A long FG to win a game or send it into OT is already one of the most exciting plays in the game. I would hate to see that change. And the fact that blocks are so rare and happen at the most (seemingly) random times is an incredibly surprising element.

    McGrath is typically stuck in an era that no longer exists. Bigger, faster, stronger… that’s how the game evolves. He wants to revert the quality of the game to the 1920s level? Why not just get rid of the forward pass too, McGrath…?

  16. montanamike2 says:

    OK Chuck, 5-1 isn’t very insulting. We’re already in their heads and a couple of SB’s would shut them up.

  17. Interesting ProFootball Focus article on RB and TE pass blocking efficiency. Marshawn shows up as the #9 top pass blocking RB, while (contrary to popular opinion) Miller showns up in the bottom 10 pass blocking TE.

  18. RDPoulsbo says:

    I wouldn’t change anything about FGs. In the grand scheme of things, teams that settle for FGs over TDs lose. The Monday night game was am obvious exception, but credit Baltimore’s D for keeping the game close. I just wished they would have kept Bush out of the end zone. That kept me from going to my FFL championship.

  19. confucious says:

    I agree Chuck. The Hawks haven’t won anything yet. We still need one more win. This week is Az. They have a great run defense, And we can’t run the ball. One dimensional offenses tend to struggle against good teams.

    I think the billboard thing is funny. The benefit to seattle is the extra money raised is going to Seattle area childrens hospitals. That’s classy.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Looks like it’s going to be a rainy day this coming Sunday for the game, and in the mid 40s.

    Will that be to our advantage?

  21. Logically McGrath’s next article should be how the NFL has to reign in the passing game because it is just plain ridiculous how journeymen QBs can throw for 300 yards and multiple TDs.

    I propose if a QB completes a pass with his non dominant hand, the team gets another 5 yards added to the play. All passes thrown with the dominant hand must travel at least 10 yards to count.

  22. tealskin says:

    Just like the disclaimer that goes with stock analysis- past performance is not an indicator of future results. Same with taking any game for granted. RW has it exactly right. Live in the moment and go 1-0 every week. Billboard idea is cute, but so yesterday.

  23. GeorgiaHawk says:
  24. yankinta says:

    I love it!!! Can’t wait to see how the 12th man will respond. This is just FUN stuff!! :)

    p.s., The 49ers fan have collected close to $9000 now for that Billboard…With the project expected to cost $7,000, the remaining money will be contributed to Seattle’s Children’s Hospital, according to project manager Aasheesh Shravah…

  25. bird_spit says:

    If maxwell continues to play this tough, does browner,when healthy, start? Sherman was great, but the maxwell interceptions were more impressive. :)

  26. HawkfaninMT says:

    Should we begin a drive to help raise money for their Billboard? It is for a good cause and would fire up the team

  27. Southendzone says:

    The sad thing about them collecting the $9,000 for a billboard is that many 49’er fans will now be unable to afford knives to stab people after games.

    I might launch a kickstarter to help out these poor unarmed Bay Area residents.

  28. HawkfaninMT says:

    Unless their is a big match up reason that I do not know about… I say Maxwell keeps the starting gig… The bigger question to me is whether or not Thurmond gets the starting gig back from Lane. Is it unethical to tell Thurmond “Unless you sign an extension, Lan keeps the starting spot.” The experience would be invaluable to Lane if he is going to be the NB going forward.

  29. MoSeahawk12 says:

    USA Today is really breaking a sweat with the story the other day regarding our receivers being a liability and now posting this gripping piece on Percy. (Sarcasm activated in case you missed it.)

  30. montanamike2 says:

    When i get to go to an away game, i’ll be sure to carry a cb radio so the fans might think i’m an undercover cop and i won’t get shanked.

  31. I think that billboard will be hillarious come Feb. After the Hawks win the Superbowl, they should leave it up.

  32. I am not a fan of constantly tweaking the game in order to boost interest level and TV viewership, which is really what is behind any rule change that tries to change the dynamic of the game. The NFL sees the game as a product that it markets and it wants to constantly tweak the product to gain market share. I know it is a business and a product being sold to us, but at least give us the illusion it is still a sport.

    The lowly PAT, which I would argue is one of the most boring parts of a game, has also been proposed for getting rid of. But because of the two-point option it is really a critical part of the game and I think it would be a mistake to remove it. Same with FG’s. Just because they are getting as easy as a PAT, there is still an important element of game strategy with a FG attempt.

    I am not a baseball fan, but one thing that MLB has done right is keep the rules constant. I personally would like to see the NFL do the same.

  33. montanamike2 says:

    I love trolls attempts bring us down, notice the name.

    Kaep Willis Bowman LLP

    As a loyal seahawks fan and seattle native
    Kaep Willis Bowman LLP5 minutes ago
    I can say the seahawks are over matched and always will be. We as seahawks fans have failed our team by being stupid ignorant fools. we will lose in the playoffs and not even make it to the superbowl. this is coming from a season ticket holder since 1980

  34. Sherman makes some good points but it does rarely snow here.

    The temperature is unpredictable. This Sunday the highs will be near 70.

  35. montanamike2 says:

    Attempting to

  36. I think the billboard is fun – love the rivalry we’ve got w the Niners, and fans getting into it this way just amps it up in a totally harmless way.

  37. I was listening to the Professor (JC) talk about how he thinks there will be up to 8 coaching changes again this year.

    Texans (Wade won’t stay)

    Cowboys – He said he didn’t include b/c who can tell what JJ will do. He did say that IF there was a move, Holmgren would be a good fit.

    He also mentioned how Bevell will be a leading candidate for many of the jobs and the question was posed who would replace him at OC.

    His response was Scott Linehan…former Rams coach now the OC in Detroit who has NW ties. IF the Lions clean house, it was the name to keep an eye on.

    Anyway, it was an interesting conversation. Again, I’m still focused on the now (a la R Dub), but I guess it’s something to think about down the road.

    In the interim, I hope Bevell opens up the playbook some these last few weeks and gets some mo-mo-momentum going for our offense heading into the playoffs.

    Last December spoiled us with the offensive explosion we had to finish the season. I’m very interested to see how our offense will respond if opposing teams rush their DEs, keep Russell in the pocket, put a spy on Russell that can be used as an extra man in the box to stop Marshawn and IF our WRs can get open quick enough for Russell to find them.

    Lots of stuff to look for this week. Arizona is desperate and my guess is they’re really gonna bring it.

    Can’t wait…


  38. thursday says:

    I find the billboard hilarious simply because old Super Bowls hardly matter, especially ones won before the salary cap. Idk about anyone else, but even if the Seahawks had won a few back before I started watching them or even I did, I wouldn’t be sitting back going oh it’s ok if we don’t make it this year, we won a few 20 years ago. Lame lol.

  39. montanamike2 says:

    How many 49’rs fans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
    None, they just brag about how good the old one was.

  40. I was thinking about that same joke about the same time a bulb in my house went out yesterday.

    Here’s some dire news about Seattle’s special teams.

  41. chuck_easton says:

    If the NFL ever wanted to make a change to FG’s the best thing to do would be to have graduated scoring similar to the 3 point line in basketball.

    Any FG attempt inside the 40 is only worth 2 points. 40-55 3 points. 55+ 4 points.

    Encourages teams to go for it on 4th down inside the 40 and rewards those boomers. 40 yards and in is pretty much a gimme for NFL kickers. 40-55 is highly makeable by all NFL calibre kickers so nothing new there. Give a reward for a team trying the long ones.

  42. yankinta says:

    Just as I expected,, RW is back on the 2nd spot again…. If Manning struggles without Wes Walker again,, RW will win the MVP,, this year… he deserves it Sooo Much… :)

  43. Billboard to be erected near Candlestick Feb 3, 2014

    Russell Wilson hoisting the Lombardi Trophy in the background…

    Dwight who?

  44. Caption reads: “49ers roster 1994″

  45. seahawkNJ says:

    Ha Audible…I was thinking of something along the same line on Feb 3rd. How many do you have…this century? I’m sure one of the more clever folks will come up with something good. Hard to dislike it when SF will donate the extra loot to SCH. All in good fun (as long as we win).

  46. rynehawk says:

    Regarding kicking, I saw an idea once that I loved. Why not put a crossbar atop the goal posts, in addition to the bottom. The kicks would have to go through the square. It wouldn’t change very short or very long kicks, but those mid-range kicks would be interesting as kickers wouldn’t be able to just launch into them.

  47. I got an interesting thought, leave the game alone. Go Hawks.

  48. I really hope they put that billboard up. Talk about motivation…the chip on our guys shoulder will grow double in size if these foolish 49ers fans put that up in front of us. Not like they need any extra motivation but it certainly can’t hurt!

  49. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’d like one that showed a photo of former 9er owner Edward DeBartolo Jr. laying on a huge stack of money, making a money angle or something with the caption, “Not so easy with a salary cap!”
    or “Five Superbowls paid in full.”

    “Salary cap keeping you from your goals?”

    “I’d buy those for a dollar….or hundreds of millions of dollars!” (lame Robocop reference)

    Excess of the 80’s doesn’t make winners in 2014, 2015 or 2024.

    The Kap will keep us from winning another Superbowl!

  50. Hey Seahawks fans,
    If you have some time please check out my blog! I posted an article on the impact of Percy Harvin in 2013/2014.
    Thanks and GO HAWKS!

  51. Anyone know if the NYG game is being rebroadcast? I was stuck in Austin and they had PHI/MIN on (and HOU of course)….

  52. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    MoSeahawk12, that might be the most coolest thing ever! I need a t-shirt, a poster, or a towel of that pic!

  53. In week 7 against AZ, Lynch ran for 4.3ypc with the backup O-line in there. The past 4 weeks, he has run for 3.1ypc with the starting o-line back. Pete downplayed the issues in the run game, giving credit to the Giants D. While the Giants D is good and stopping the run, you have to think the teams we will face the rest of the way will also have good to great D’s as well. This is my biggest concern going forward at this point. The running game is what makes this team function. Without it, we have games like in St. Louis (I know they won, but it was ugly and not easy). I sure hope the blocking improves and Lynch gets going this week. AZ is very good in run D. Huge game for this team, time to step up with another statement game

  54. HawkFromDay1 says:

    JZ – That was hilarious! We gave up over 3700 millimeters of punt return yardage!

    Great post – thanks!

  55. boycie99 says:

    Harvin not practicing again per PC. I don’t know why I expect anything else, I guess a man can always hope

  56. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Only Percy Harvin knows if he can play or not. But given his history, I think he’s exaggerating his injury. It’s just too peculiar that the only time he played all year was against his former team–when he had a vested interest in playing. Maybe his injury is legit, but I have a nagging suspicion it isn’t.

  57. raymaines says:

    How about if Field Goals were worth 2 points and two point conversions were worth 3? The biggest value in that would be NFL coaches would actually have to think about what they wanted to do, rather than rely on time worn “safe” strategies. Personally, I like the graduated point allotment idea. One point for a short, 2 points for a medium, 3 pts for a long, and even four points for a FG over 60 yards.

    Percy Harvin for MHP!! This quote blatantly stolen from one of the above links, but I don’t remember which one:

    “Last word: Harvin might have been the least actually productive superstar in the NFL this season, but he is the unquestioned “MHP” — Most Hypothetical Player.”

    This news article from some other location I can’t remember:

    Related to the above news article – Merry Christmas Darnell:

  58. As of right now (which is not a statement for future possibilities) Percy Harvin is another example of what happens so often when a player gets the big payday and has it made no matter what happens to him. So many of those in sports. Once you have the big payday the motivation becomes more and more difficult.

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We don’t need Harvin to help us wrap up HFA so why all the hate towards him when it makes so much more sense to let him heal more and be ready to help us in the playoffs and/or Super Bowl?

  60. raymaines says:

    Vegas 56: I disagree. I think you’re seeing the facts wrongly and coming to a illogical conclusion. I don’t think we can observe a “slow” rehab from major hip surgery a conclude a lack of motivation on PH’s part.

  61. chuck_easton says:


    You make the assumption that Harvin will actually be playing in the playoffs and/or SB. No indication that he’s even close.

    As Pete Carroll said. He’s week to week until he can start practicing. Once he can be on the practice field he’s day to day.

    So Harvin is still week to week. Looks like this isn’t his week. Next week isn’t looking good either. Maybe he goes into day to day mode when the team starts play off practices, maybe not.

    Best bet is we see Harvin at training camp 2014. But his ability to go from week to week to day to day by next August remains to be seen.

    Not a knock on Harvin. Just reality.

  62. seahawkNJ says:

    I actually read an interesting debate on field goals, but in the other direction. Not my original idea and I can’t give credit to where I read it because I don’t remember…

    It basically stemmed around the idea that shorter field goals should be worth MORE points because the defense has allowed the opponent to drive further into their territory. It’s an interesting argument, but I doubt anything will change anytime soon.

  63. CDHawkFan says:

    Georgia, I think people would have like to have seen Harvin tear his ACL in a game, you know, rolling around in pain, grabbing his knee, players like Clem crying and holding his hand as Harvin calls for his mommy. I think then people would have left him alone then.

    I think because its a hip (not common) and not a knee (common in the game and usually a year ending injury), also it wasn’t done on tape/TV so people are jumping to conclusions/assumptions that he is a puss.

    Sure there are plenty of examples of guys taking the money and running (Shaun A), but because of what I have heard/read, I believe that Harvin is just not game ready.

    Its just too bad he didn’t get ”Theismanned” then people wouldn’t have wasted so much timing trying to figure him out this year.

  64. wazzulander says:

    I would like eliminating the extra point kick, it is pretty much the least exciting play in football other than a kneel down and you can easily replace it with a very exciting play. After a TD, give teams the option of going for 1 from the 5 yard line or going for 2 from the 10 yard line.

  65. wazzulander says:

    by going for 1, obviously I mean you still run a regular play (not a kick) but only get 1 pt for punching it in.

  66. Right. Harvin’s issue is durability, not motivation. Don’t attack his character. He is an incredible yet fragile athlete.

  67. Harvin and “character” in the same sentence. lol

  68. raymaines says:

    Vegas56 and BobbyK: You’re both sounding dumb when you say stuff like that about PH. I acknowledge that team mates will always have his back, so I sound just as dumb sticking up for him, but how dare any of us attack his character.

  69. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Agree raymaines,

    What has Harvin ever done to have his Character questioned besides having a heated sideline rant?

    Has he ever been arrested? Has he ever been suspended? Has he ever been tested positive for Peds or substance abuse?

    The only thing he is guilty of so far is that he plays flat out full speed which puts him in harms way for injury.

    That’s why I agree with you that some sound so dumb with their opinions on Harvin.

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