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Morning Links: Wilson an MVP candidate, just don’t ask him about it

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 6, 2013 at 12:59 am with 83 Comments »
December 6, 2013 12:59 am

Good morning.

Russell Wilson, MVP candidate. He may not want to talk about, but a lot of people are starting to.

I wrote about that and Wilson’s use of a sports psychologist for today’s paper.


> 710 ESPN looks at Colin Kaepernick.

> Russell Okung is proud of his mom, who just published a book.

> NFL Countdown crew makes its picks in the Seahawks-49ers game:

> The Everett Herald also writes about Wilson’s MVP candidacy.

> Here’s “Double coverage” from ESPN talking about the game.

> writes about the work asked of Seahawks wide receivers beyond receptions.

> also has some more on Drake’s visit to practice.

> Looks like San Francisco left tackle Joe Staley has a shot to play Sunday.

> Top 10 storylines for Sunday’s game from the San Francisco Chronicle.

> Some guy I have never heard of with some stats about the game:

> The San Jose Mercury News compares Wilson and Kaepernick.

> Part 2 of Peter King’s series with NFL referees.

> Also at MMQB, they write that Cam Newton needs to be more like Drew Brees.

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  1. CDHawkFan says:

    With a title like that, I think Todd is shooting for 200 comments. Could have had 300 if you put Luck in there.

    I can’t believe both ESPN guys picked the 9ers, what a couple of sissies. Have they been watching lately?

  2. montanamike2 says:

    Every week the “experts” pick against us and we win, did they forget we’re 11-1? Always someone or something to motivate them, funny i don’t remember RW playing there since 2008, i think he’s only played there once and he’s improved greatly while Kap has regressed. I don’t think it will be easy, but i don’t think Pete has them unfocused, we want HFA and Harbaugh’s team is a lot more nicked up than he’s letting on while we are rested and healthy. I haven’t had a chance to even talk about Maxwell stepping up after Brees tried to exploit them. Lynch gets 100 yards on Sunday.

  3. montanamike2 says:

    Exploit him.

  4. NYHawkFan says:

    I expect SF to be jacked up hosting their main NFC West rival at home, but the Hawks will be too much for them because we’re the better team. 31-20 Seattle. So-called experts will be treated to another Russell Wilson show.

  5. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I’m hoping the 12th man puts up a good showing in in Frisco this week. Boy it would be sweet to take them down on their own turf.

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I’m sure the players feel disrespected by the so-called experts when they pick a team that hasn’t beaten a team with a winning record yet this year to win the game.

  7. montanamike2 says:

    GeorgiaHawk i think that’s exactly right.

  8. ChrisHolmes says:

    I’ve read & heard ONE guy pick Seattle this week, and that’s Stink.

    One guy.

    After we just DESROYED New Orleans on national TV. In a game where everyone picked against us in that one too!

    Hoisting the Lombardi trophy is going to be the only thing that gets this team any respect.

    And that sure is gonna be sweet.

  9. yankinta says:

    I don’t mind the experts/Media Writers picking against us. In fact I love it in this case. When RW does what’s he’s been doing all year to lead us to win,, his MVP Stock will go up Even Higher…. I’m liking his chances at this point… :)

  10. yankinta says:

    To Me,, The KEY will be stopping the RUN.

    If we hold Frank Gore to less than 80 yards, this will be a blow out.
    If we hold him to less than 100 yards, we should win by 7 to 10 points.
    If he gets more than 100 yards, it will be close win.

    I predict 24-14 win,, meaning we hold Gore to less than 100 yards. :)

    P.S, I’m cheering for the Saints this Sunday Night. I think that Panthers are the only one I could see giving us trouble in the playoff….

  11. RDPoulsbo says:

    Sports commentators are entertainers. Their being paid to draw page views and tv ratings. Their picks mean as much as power rankings. What’s the point in being upset about them?

    I’m going to predict 20-10 Seattle. Both teams like to eat the clock and a cleaner game by SF prevents a blowout, but the Hawks maintain a comfortable 2 score lead.

  12. sluggo42 says:

    Brought over from last post…

    Tried reading up on some posts yesterday and the blog went so far into the weird “I loved RW first” contest I actually vomited! In my pants! I mean it was really weird you guys, just so you know… I mean really… Just stop it ok?

    Then a few of the regs started to bring it back with a few good posts again, but I honestly just had to pass, as wading through the junk was unbearable. And yes Georgia, I know I don’t have to, just as you are the official ” voice” of the blog. Respectfully speaking of course!

    But geez… It sure went into the twilight zone for quite a stretch…. I’m just sayin…

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Good comparison of Wilson and Kaepernick here-

    This guy says that Wilson is a combination of Montana & Young.

  14. GeorgiaHawk says:

    OK, I’m now officially rooting against Wilson to win the MVP race.

    “Over the past 13 seasons, the NFL MVP Award has basically been a playoff curse, no player that’s won the award has gone on to win the Super Bowl.”

  15. sluggo42 says:

    The media dissing us is the best motivation tool out there.

    Hawks win big as they are a vastly superior team. Like Crabtree suddenly makes them viable again? I’m guessing the sherminator erases his presence on the field. Bold slow will be covered by the water boy. Davis will be so busy looking over his shoulder for Kam Bam he won’t be too effective. Avril will be forcing crapper to go left where he can’t throw, and wags will be crushing him from there.

    Offense will continue to roll, beast will be beast, and Harbarf will again say the F- word on national TV

    Hawks in a laugher, 35-10

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:
  17. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, glad to see you join me on board. I said RW has a good chance to win it weeks ago but everyone was calling me crazy, as usual. lol… :)

    Now even CBS Sports is talking about RW. If RW leads us to win this game, I think he will win it, even if Denver go 4-0.

  18. This is going to be a great test for us, IMO the toughest all year. Last year I felt that SF’s OC and Harbaugh were the best playcallers and they ended up in the Superbowl. This year, I feel like Bevell has an edge, but more importantly, the trust and experience that R Dub can execute any play in the playbook. IF we can get out of there with any kind of victory, it’ll not only clinch everything we’ve been hoping for, but will get inside the heads of all those other elite NFC teams that we can take this show on the road, any where…any time. It’s the most important game on the schedule but then again each week is.

    Is it Sunday yet?


  19. By the way…this team doesn’t need any motivation. As any good team, it all comes from within. Players play, it’s the fans that are most often feeling disrespected. Expert picks? Gimme a break. Do you really care at all what they think? I personally just enjoy it when we do win and those guys don’t have much to say, but what they say prior to any game, I could give a rat’s a** about.

  20. seahawksteven777 says:

    All I hear is how the 49ers have a ton of motivation and all to make this game a must win for them. Really? Um, Seattle does too. They can clinch the division and guarantee themselves at least the number 2 seed. So yeah, that argument for a lot to play for goes both ways.

    Also, I hope the 49er fans follow their teams guidelines for home field advantage lol. Perhaps they can bring their pom poms!

  21. chuck_easton says:

    It’s completely understandable that Seattle is the underdog this weekend. It is also smart for the National media entertainment ‘experts’ to be picking SF to win.

    Seattle is the better team. That’s a given. But Seattle is yet to break that ‘doesn’t play the same or as well on the road’ label. SF is playing at home. SF is fighting for their playoff life, even if they are beginning to accept they can’t win the Division.

    And finally SF and Seattle both hate each other. From the Head Coaches right down to the players, there is no love lost between these two teams.

    SF’s players may know that Seattle is going to clinch the Division. If not this weekend then next. But nobody wants their arch rival to come into your house and clinch. SF will be highly motivated on many levels.

    Can the Seahawks win? Yep. Will they win? Wouldn’t bet the farm on it. Could they lose? Very much so. Will they lose? Can’t say, but it should be a real test of people’s blood pressure meds on Sunday.

  22. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I know this isn’t Seahawk related but I think the Huskies finally hit the jackpot with Chris Petersen.

    Now I’m happy Sark has left.
    And I haven’t been this optimistic about the Huskies since the Don James era.

  23. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, wow,, you and I are in agreement again…. lol I’ve been saying fire Sark since we lost the 3rd game this year….Now we won’t have to pay him since he quit. Gives us more $$ to offer Chris Petersen. And it took a lot of money to get CP to come to UW. I heard he’s top 3 paid Head Coach in Pac-12.

    btw, in BSU, they call him Coach Pete. Now we have 2 Coach Pete here in Seattle…. lol :)

  24. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Chuck, I agree with everything except that the Seahawks have to prove they can play the same or better on the road.

    It’s very rare that any team in the NFL plays the same or better on the road then they do at home.
    Last time I looked the Seahawks were 5-1 on the road and they played good on the road last year when they opened up the playbook to Wilson.

    The Seahawks also have a better record on the road then the 49ers do at home.
    And the 49ers have yet to beat any team this year that would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.
    Imo, it’s just plain and simply disrespect to the Seahaawks that the 49ers are favored, and I hope the Seahawk players use that to help fuel their fire.

  25. montanamike2 says:

    Pretty soon i think we’ll see Harvin, they’ll want him in playing shape until just before the playoffs. I hope The Pick of C.Michaels turns out to be another weapon that Pete has up his sleeve and is holding him back for our Superbowl run, i don’t know what to believe from him anymore. Probably just not part of this years plan, much like Jesse Williams. Hill?

  26. CDHawkFan says:

    I had to laugh a bit when I read a few articles saying that Kap and the 9ers looked so much better with Crabtree back.

    He had 2 catches last week, a 8 yard hitch then a 60 yarder that he beat a guy 1-1 then couldn’t out run him.

    2 catches for 68 yards and I guess that fixes everything.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    I hope we beat the snot out of them this weekend. This whole season has been insane but overwhelmingly Awesome.

  28. yankinta says:

    montanamike2,, Hill should return soon and make a contribution. But there may not be room for him since our 3-Techique DT’s are playing very well right now.

  29. montanamike2 says:

    No one runs on us and Gore is not the same, not as bad as Stephen Jackson but still….

  30. montanamike2 says:

    We are deep, scary deep.

  31. chuck_easton says:


    It’s not anyone on here that thinks Seattle is a bad road team. I think 5-1 on the road this year is a pretty good indication that they have moved beyond.

    What I am talking about is the perception outside the Seattle Seahawks inner sanctum.

    I like to read other teams websites and all the national sites.

    Trust me. The knock on Seattle is ‘sure they win at home but they are terrible on the road…’ Even this year.

    Of course every team plays better at home. That is why when there is a lack of any other factors the starting point for any point spread is 2.5 to the home team. The number moves based on records, talent, and such.

    So, what you see from the betting line and the national line is two teams with winning records. Two teams that are very likely going to be in the playoffs barring one of them (SF) having an epic collapse. And two teams with excellent defenses with ‘average’ (in the eyes of the nation simply based on those pesky numbers that always go against Seattle because they are not a pass happy team) offenses.

    Odds go to the 49rs. It isn’t a slight of Seattle. Just statistically it is more likely that SF would win this game 6 out of ten times.

    We just have to hope that this weekend is one of those 4 out of 10 times.

  32. montanamike2 says:

    We wouldn’t be 11-1 unless we could win road games.

  33. ChrisHolmes says:

    The 11-1 mark seems to be completely ignored by the national media. You’re right chuck: they’re still going off the past knocks on this team. People aren’t paying attention.

    I don’t care, personally, about national media or respect, I just find it, as usual, astounding given that these are supposed to be professionals in their industry. They get paid to pay attention, but frequently they don’t.

  34. montanamike2 says:

    Please media: keep adding motivation.

  35. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Wilson has been our MVP, but the voters will go with Payton as he has the yards and TD’s and will probably break the TD record again. Wilson is almost twenty TDs behind and would have to throw five+ each game for the next four to get close, assuming Manning doesn’t throw anymore….riiight. Also if Wilson somehow does throw five tds in any game, the odds are we’re way ahead and he will be pulled to keep him safe and rested for the playoffs. With our D, he’s not going to have to throw five TD’s anyway.

    To recap. Wilson is great and does everything this team needs to win. Getting in the playoffs and winning is way more important than a regular season MVP award. Manning’s stats are what the voters will look at and the fact that he might only have one or two more shots at this thing. We want the Superbowl, not the regular season MVP award. Wilson has said as much and isn’t worried about regular season awards.
    Wilson MVP reg season not going to happen, no mater how many times you bring it up.

  36. RDPoulsbo says:

    The 49ers are back man! I mean, they can beat up on the Washington RG3-9s and a Rams team led by Kellen Clemens! Never mind that their all pro LG will be out and their all pro LT will not be at full strength even if he were to play on Sunday. Create the drama, because the national media can’t sell it in the playoffs knowing the Seahawks don’t lose in Seattle.

    SF just plain isn’t the team they were last year and people are having trouble letting that go. They’re age is showing in the second half of the season and injuries are mounting. It doesn’t matter that Crabtree is back. They still need an o-line to protect Kap and have him throw an accurate ball if he’s open. That’s if he sees him open in the first place. Sorry GoldenGateNate or whatever your name is, just cry it out while watching the Hawk celebrate the division crown in the last days of Candlestick.

  37. udub671 says:

    “Former 49ers vs. current 49ers: Whether it’s out of a sense of spite or because the 49ers have a deep roster, Seattle specializes in signing former 49ers. They scooped up cornerback Perrish Cox (since released), wide receiver Ricardo Lockette and signed former 49ers quarterback B.J. Daniels to their practice squad. Lockett was a candidate to be a 49ers’ starter in preseason but played poorly. Since signing with Seattle this year, the speedy Lockette has caught three passes for 65 yards. Current Seahawks’ fullback Michael Robinson started the trend when he was claimed by Seattle after Mike Singletary released him from the 49ers in 2010.” – Kevin Lynch

    Had to respond to the lack of knowledge there:

    @klynch49 You should fact check. Lockette was in Sea in ’11, SF in ’12. then released to make room for S. Wallace, another former Seahawk.

    I hate it when people who get paid to discuss sports don’t even know what they are talking about.

  38. MoSeahawk12 says:

    The 9ers game will be tough as they have found ways to beat us there. Our Hawks haven’t won in SF since 2008. Gore has killed us more times than not and somehow even with a banged up O-line the 9ers have trapped us to death. This game will be a very brutal, physical challenge. I know our guys will be up for the challenge and should come out on top. I believe we will see a way better defensive performance from the 9ers than we saw from the Saints. Saints D ranked high, but the 9ers have better talent and have been in the same D for several seasons. Saints are in year one of Ryan’s D. Last week when the Saints’s blitzes didn’t get home, their D started becoming undisciplined and getting out of position. Of course our offense had a ton to do with that, but I just don’t see the 9ers following into that same performance.

  39. SlickToxic21 says:

    Since the last half of last year, we have been a very good road team. Even in the playoffs, beating Washington and then 20 secs away from beating Atlanta in their building…..5-1 this year….and still I keep hearing how Seattle is not a good road team. Just not paying attention I guess.

    This game is obviously the possible knock out punch. If they can win this one….and it’s no guarantee at all….even as well as they’re playing, SF is still a very good team, and CK won’t have to worry about all the crowd noise…which clearly shook him the last two times he played at the C-Link.

    I don’t see any type of blowout here…..either way….should be a TD or less that wins this one. Looking forward to it, but it’s gonna be an emotional game!!

    On a different note……how about the Texans last night?! It was like they had just given up on Kubiak. Sloppy! 177 penalty yards…the most since 2001…..just awful to watch. Good for Gus though. He’s got his team playing well.

  40. GeorgiaHawk says:

    My bad Chuck, I see what you mean now.

  41. RDPoulsbo says:

    Huh? Was there was an NFL game last night? All I heard was Houston and Jax were playing.

    Have to give tons of credit to Gus Bradley though. He’s winning with one of the most talentless rosters in recent memory. Led by Chad Henne no less. Too bad they’ve played themselves out of top QB talent in the draft, but they have so many holes to fill, just about anyone they can get will be an upgrade.

  42. I agree with chuck. If you look at the team objectively, you see some vulnerabilities. No better example than the TB and STL games, which were darn near disasters for us. That is what the national media sees so it does not surprise me that they are ambivalent about picking us to win.

    I am not saying at all that we are not the best in the NFC, but you cannot discount the 49ers that easily and I would be surprised if we went 15-1 this season anyway. If we are going to lose another game, this one is probably the most likely for that to happen.

  43. tealskin says:

    There’s a big pot on the table. A lot of pressure on SF. If things start unraveling for them it could snowball. Think result will be determined by turnover at crucial time.

  44. Speaking of Big Pot on the table…

    Happy Anniversary I-502! It’s only a matter of time before the NFL realizes that this is a non performance enhancing drug and does indeed have many medicinal benefits as it relates to pain and recovery. I’m alcohol and pain pills are OK, but why should we affect those industries and their sales.

    @4:20 there will be celebrations all over the state and I applaud all the future tax revenue this decision will generate taking untaxed money off the streets.

    Now, back to your regular programming.


  45. I mean*…alcohol and pain pills

  46. RDPoulsbo says:

    TB and STL were also games where the o-line was in shambles. Having both tackles out as well as the center (like Unger was against Houston and Indy) is usually a big problem on offense.

    I guess people are all about FFL and forget how important blocking is in the real game. At least that would explain the lack of interest in the 49ers current o-line injuries as well as Seattle’s earlier in the year.

  47. Russ as MVP…we can all dream. Maybe he gets the nod like King Felix did when he had only 13 wins and won the Cy. Does Peyton get those numbers without Decker, Welker, & the two Thomases?

  48. RDPoulsbo says:

    …and the first coach of the season is fired. Kubiak is out the door. Not surprising, considering how far they’ve fallen. I thought Schiano was going to be the first though. His recent wins aren’t enough to save his job though.

  49. yankinta says:

    Lol,, WOW Don Banks at CNNSI is getting ready to Vote for RW,,, and yes, he does have a vote. It’s looking better and better for his chances…. MMS = Makes me Smile :)

    Watch the Video below,, see why he likes RW for MVP (voters are getting smarter)

  50. tealskin says:

    Don Banks said he likes RW. Nowhere does he say he’s ready to vote for him.

  51. princeaden says:

    Georgia, do the Huskies retain Wilcox as DC.

  52. yankinta says:

    tealskin,, lol that’s how I interpreted it. It sounded like Don Banks realizes all the things that RW have done for Seahawks,, and that stats are not everything….

    Nevertheless, those that say it’s impossible for RW to win it will be eating crow,, since it’s looking better and better for RW’s chances…

  53. yankinta says:

    princeaden,, O-Line Coach is more important to retain. He’s the top recruiter in the West Coast. Wilcox can go with Sark, and I think he will.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Banks says he’s starting to come around with regards to voting Wilson MVP.

    princeaden- It will be interesting to see what they do with Wilcox.

  55. jawpeace says:

    A couple of thoughts here right now MVP is RW verses Manning. Manning’s stats are crazy. Stats are what get more votes compared to intangibles. I don’t see RW winning but I really like that he is in the discussion. What I am really hoping for is that Russel gets a crazy endorsement deal out of the exposure like Vick got with Nike years ago. I think it was around a 100 million. RW is playing for NFL peanuts. A giant endorsement or two would be so awesome. With his outstanding character who would be better to endorse your product? I would be everything I have that RW will not be in the news for running illegal dog fights or something else of a dark nature.

    Also maybe I am dreaming but if he had a bunch of high paying endorsements then could RW think hey I got lots of money and when my Rookie deal ends I don’t need to sign for franchise QB money and leave more cap space for the team to sign other players.

    What many seem to forget is that the 13-7 loss last year in San Fran was a Thursday night game. That short week really hurt the young rookie Wilson. His favorite phrase “Separation is in the Preparation” was taken away. Factor in that major component which won’t be there this time, I feel the Hawks have a 95% chance of victory.
    Score Hawks 24 Whiners 13.

    I too have found some of the media rational for picking the whiners border-lining on absurd. One saying the Whiners are fighting for playoffs and space between the Cards. Like the Hawks don’t have motivation to win the division, guaranteed number two seed and a bye.

  56. “Natestradamus said a year and a half ago that this would be the Seahawks year.

    If it doesn’t happen we all have nate to blame. Lol.”

    Read more here:

    In honor of my favorite blogger I will give myself a big 2 handed slap on my own back. ;-) Thanks for the shout out, Georgia.

    Big news day in other Seattle sports.

    Hawks 28, Whiners 17. Over/under on Harbarf hissy fits is 5.

  57. yankinta says:

    One more really good article about Russell Wilson….Amazing doesn’t fully describe him. MMS :)

    ColdHardFootballFacts ponders some of Russell Wilson’s numbers;

  58. yankinta says:

    lol,, I think this writer at Bay Area will vote for RW too,, wow, just wow….

  59. The only thing I get from that article is that Carroll really likes Lockette and Lockette will probably be on the roster the remainder of the year. It also sounds like that as long as Harvin is out, we will they will look to expand Lockette’s role with the team.

  60. WiscCory says:

    Regarding Wilson as an MVP candidate, Herm Edwards was asked what he thought about that on Mike/Mike this am, and Herm countered by saying what about Cam Newtona nd Tony Romo. I like Herm, but that was a goofy response. He seemed clueless on how important Wilson is.

    I have to admit, I hate all of this “is Wilson and MVP candidate” discussion. Both here, and in the media. I could care less if Wilson gets MVP, as long as the Seahawks are winning. Keep winning and the accolades will naturally come. And if not, I don’t give a crap.

    Just win the SuperBowl. That’s what I care about, as a fan!

    BTW ChrisHolmes – this morning, former 49er Jeff Garcia picked the Seahawks to win this weekend on NFLam. I love the fact that the 49ers are angry and envision this as the most physical game of the season. To be the best, you must beat the best. Go Hawks!!

  61. yankinta says:

    WiscCory,,, I agree that I don’ care about it since it does nothing for me. But I want it for RW. He deserved it so much. There are multiple times this season, where our Run Game was shut down (Carolina, Texans, so on) and RW had to take over (even Lynch asked him to take over). We would not be 11-1 without him (especially both out tackles out 7 games together)…. :)

  62. Richard Sherman was fined $7,875 for unnecessary roughness for the late hit on Kenny Stills….

  63. seahawks12thman says:

    So, the Hawks haven’t won in SF since 2008. What does that have to do with anything? Weren’t 90% of our players still attending frat parties!? Heck some of them were going to senior prom! And I love when statistics like that are thrown out there, my mind always goes the opposite way; well then it’s time for them to lose because nothing lasts forever.

    The Hawks ‘D’ might score three touchdowns this game if the media keeps this up. Just put RW in the victory formation from the first snap.

    I guess being the number one D gets you zero respect. Oh well, time to prove it again boys.

    Go Hawks!

  64. chuck_easton says:

    And a well deserved fine for Sherman. He will gladly pay it, because the message was sent to the opposing WR’s…

  65. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Here is some cool Xs & Os stuff with regards to Earl Thomas and the cover three.

    Since I’m not really an Xs & Os person perhaps Duke or someone can explain this stuff in laymen’s terms?

  66. “It’s not like Russell Wilson is going to beat Peyton Manning for MVP…I mean he’s statistically having one of the best years in NFL history”

    John Clayton on KIRO 710 today.

    Exactly. And this actually coming from someone that really knows football.

    MVP or Lombardi?
    MVP or Lombardi?
    MVP or Lombardi?

    Is there really any debate? Give it a rest. At least we’re off of Luck (for now).


  67. chuck_easton says:

    No Harvin again this week. Already ruled out. But Carroll is ‘real hopeful’ they might have him back NEXT week for the Giants. Or maybe the week after that…or the following week…

    Well to those that were riding me about my frustrtation with Harvin and wasn’t I just SOOO ready to eat crow when he played against the Vikings I say that was a great 19 plays we got out of him.

    Now doing the math, 22 million signing bonus divided by 19 plays = $1,157,894.74 per snap that Harvin ‘earned’ this season.

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Chuck- It will be worth all that money if Harvin helps us win a Super Bowl.

    We don’t need him now in the regular season.

  69. chuck_easton says:

    No guarantee he will be back at all this season. Can’t even practice.

    My bet is the next time we ‘see’ Harvin will be training camp in August of 2014.

    What a waste of money and draft picks.

  70. Chuck…you’re point is valid, but why do you worry about the money so much? Paul Allen has plenty. Schneider and his crew know how to manage the cap. Yes, I’m aware that Thomas, Sherm and some guy named Wilson will be up for new contracts soon enough, but at the end of the day, who cares…right?

    I don’t want you to eat crow. I really don’t want anyone to eat crow. I guess I have yet to see how the contracts from Sid, Zach or anybody really has affected our roster or will in the future. I could be wrong (again), but I don’t think that those contracts are guaranteed. There might be slight salary cap implications, but I’m sure the boys upstairs probably have a pretty good grasp on things.

    I really hadn’t watched Percy much in previous years, but he sounds like he’s going to be pretty motivated once he does come back. I’m not saying he’s definitely going to stay healthy but there’s no guarantees when it comes to health for any player.

    I guess I’m naive and just trust John, Pete and the crew but would love to better understand why his $ concern YOU so much.

    Thanks man!

  71. Now, the draft picks I get, but Pete said going into the draft that it was going to be pretty tough for any rookie to make this squad. Cordarelle Patterson was someone I liked before the deal and he might be a nice player, I guess time will tell.

    I do think we need a big WR still, more toys for Russell but none of that is going to happen until next year.

    Live in the now. Soak it all up. This is our finest season yet. Don’t let it pass you by being consumed with what might be. It’s all about this season. It’s only about this season. Next season or after this season, we can speculate a ton.

  72. chuck_easton says:


    Let me explain. Seattle currently has $122 million tied up in next years cap space for 43 current guys on the roster. Next year’s cap will likely increase from 124m this year to no more than 125m.

    So Seattle has about 3 million in cap space. Harvin counts 12.5 million against the cap next year. That 12.5 million just might be the difference between getting Sherman, Tate, or Baldwin to re-sign with the team.

    Sure, it’s not my money. But this is the team I root for. When Seattle loses another player that actually CONTRIBUTES I’ll be reading from everyone why couldn’t Seattle pay them what they wanted?

    Well one reason is that 12+ million per season tied up in a guy that hasn’t given diddly for this team, and might never give them anything.

    There is no guarantee that the hip will ever be good again. And there is definitely no indication that Harvin has any desire to play through pain.

    It isn’t the money. And it really isn’t Harvin. It’s the frustration that I see the long term effects paying that much to a non-entity will be costing the team in the future.

  73. Good points but what happens when someone gets cut or is asked to restructure…like Rice or Miller? I can’t imagine our Front Office prioritizing Harvin over the big three.

  74. PHXHawk says:

    Chuck… How do you propose we can guarantee the health of everyone that we sign to a contract, to ensure that they contribute?

  75. chuck_easton says:

    Rice will be cut if he doesn’t restructure. His cap hit next year is 8.5. Miller isn’t worth the restructure. His cap hit for next season drops from 11 million to 7 million and his pay drops from 6.8 to 4.8.

    Seattle can’t get another top end TE for less than 4.8 million.

    PHXHawk, you can’t guarantee the health. But Harvin came to Seattle with a reputation of injuries and not playing in pain. It’s why the Vikings wouldn’t give him what he wanted. Harvin got Seattle to pay before he ever stepped on the field. Now his money is guaranteed, and the team is likely going to lose one of the guys that actually play because they can’t afford him.

    Look at it this way. Tate is a FA next year. Say the team tells Tate they will pretty much pay him Rice’s money of 8.5m. Tate looks and says “hmmm, I’m the biggest playmaker on the team…why can’t I get Harvin money?’ Tate walks.

    So now Seattle goes into next year without Rice, Tate, and an unknown in Harvin.

    That is the frustration.

    I have friends in Minnesota that are laughing themselves sick right now because they saw this coming.

  76. SandpointHawk says:

    Re Chucks worries about cap space: Please look at how the Ravens gutted their team this last off season. No matter much money Paul Allen has the NFL has a hard cap, unlike the NBA or MLB where you can still buy a championship.

  77. No Rice, no big deal. Tate probably won’t get more than $6M anywhere. He may be a playmaker, but he doesn’t have Percy’s stats. I too think that they overpaid, but if Peterson says Harvin was the best player he ever played with…it’s good enough for me.

    I think all of our guys that are up for new contracts have a simple choice.

    Stay here, win and take less money (via the Patriot way) or go for the dough. I’m hoping that they realize in the end it’s not the money but the championships. We have a great thing going here. I actually expect Harvin to give some money back by restructuring. Otherwise, he’s a Jack and I could care less if he stays or goes.

    The window for a championship is now. Focus on the now. One game at a time. Would I like us to have a dynasty? Yes, of course…but let’s get the first one first. Everything else comes after that. In fact, if we earn this one, I’ll probably be pretty happy for a while…or at least until the next season starts.

  78. raymaines says:

    Joreb at 2:16,

    Thank you for agreeing with me ahead of time, you’re a genius! We all have to give up on the RW for MPV talk. He may or may not deserve it but it just isn’t going to happen as long as Peyton Manning can still walk on the field without crutches. PM is a feel good story the NFL just can’t and won’t resist. The sun’s going to come up in the east tomorrow morning and PM is going to be the MVP.

    Joreb at 2:35,

    You goofball! It’s not about the money, it’s about cap space.

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