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Morning Links: Let’s get physical

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 5, 2013 at 2:04 am with 140 Comments »
December 5, 2013 2:04 am

Good morning.

Around the lockerroom Wednesday, there was some excitement about going to San Francisco with a chance to seal the division title. When asked if there would be a better road place to do it, wide receiver Doug Baldwin had a simple answer.

“No,” Baldwin said.

The flipside of that is linebacker K.J. Wright. He could tell you all about how he covered Jimmy Graham on Monday and how Vernon Davis is different than Graham, but he didn’t know the Seahawks could clinch the division on the 49ers’ field.

“We can clinch if we win?” Wright said. “Well, yeah. That’s one of our goals. Coach Carroll talks about it all the time. Against San Francisco? Let’s do it.”

One of the main words used Wednesday from both sides was “physical.” That’s what our Dave Boling wrote about today. From Boling:

(Jim) Harbaugh and Seattle coach Pete Carroll, with diverse approaches and dispositions, worship the same football commandments: Run the ball, take away the ball and smack the snot out of anybody carrying the ball.

And that tends to give this rivalry the feeling of a blood feud.

Niners such as Frank Gore, Justin Smith and NaVorro Bowman are prideful and powerful, and they guarantee a meeting with Seattle is going to be combative.

Harbaugh is on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week. It’s an excellent story on him by Austin Murphy, who has known Harbaugh for some time. It should hit the Internet later this week. It was out on SI’s app Tuesday.

In today’s paper, I wrote about the Brandon Browner situation. Most of this ground we covered here on the blog yesterday.


> At 710 ESPN, Michael Bennett tells a story where he claimed to be Russell Wilsonon Tuesday in order to get a table at a local restaurant.

> ESPN says Russell Wilson is improving his MVP chances. Wilson was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week on Tuesday.

> The Everett Herald writes about K.J. Wright’s success and says it’s surprised even Pete Carroll.

> Las Vegas now has the Seahawks as co-favorites (with Denver) to win the Super Bowl.

> Here’s DC Dan Quinn on 950 KJR yesterday:

> I should know better than to link to this around these parts, but here goes.

> USA Today writes that “enviable depth” sets the Seahawks apart.

> The San Jose Mercury News says San Francisco vs. Seattle is more than a game.

> writes about Wilson and Colin Kaepernick.

> The San Francisco Chronicle writes that the 49ers have the Seahawks right where they want them: in Candlestick.

> And, here’s The Chronicle on the “homefield advantage plan” the 49ers sent fans.

> Peter King has an excellent behind-the-scenes look at NFL referees. It’s stunning that, even though it’s him, he received access like this to officials. Across all sports, no one talks less and is involved in games more. I’ve always thought more transparency for officials would help reduce the demonizing of them and tendencies of fans to latch on to conspiracy theories about officials as it relates to their favorite teams.

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  1. NYHawkFan says:

    Great article on the 49ers home field advantage plan! (Hint, it mocks them, Ha!). Great stuff Todd. Thanks, it will keep me busy most of the morning and help to whet my appetite for this Sunday’s game.

  2. NYHawkFan says:

    I also love this quote: “Luckily for the 49ers, their final three opponents — Tampa Bay (away), Atlanta (home), Arizona (away) — are a combined 13-23. And we all know how good San Francisco is at beating bad teams.”

  3. SandpointHawk says:

    Todd, You still have time to get rid of that “I should know better” link…please.

  4. Stop the run. Make Kaep roll left (he can’t throw very well against the grain) if unable to keep him in the pocket, pound the Beast and protect Wilson. It’s really not that hard. ;-)

    I hate seeing the jumbo package that the Niners have with 6 OL, oversized fullbacks…but IF Iupati and Staley are indeed out, our chances go way up.

    It’s all about the 3 M’s IMO (Mebane, McDaniel and McDonald)…the unsung heroes of this season. If only we could come up with a nickname for them?

    Is it Sunday yet?


  5. I hadn’t seen this before…

    After all the adversity, the kid is amazing.

  6. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Lol. Good idea by Bennett to get a table.
    I wonder how many more folks in the Seattle will be trying that trick.

  7. Former teammate talks about R Dub’s secret weapon.

    “…he’ll make people look foolish…BOOM!”

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That was a great article from USA Today about the Seahawks having by far the most depth in the NFL.

    Sometimes I can’t help but think, how are we going to keep all this talent moving forward? But then I realize it’s because of our FO that they are here to begin with, so the FO will simply find other hidden gems somewhere to replace the ones that we can’t keep anymore.

  9. yankinta says:

    SandpointHawk,, Too Late. I’ve seen it now. lol Thanks Todd. :) I knew this from Day One, as I jumped out of my couch screaming like we just won the SuperBowl,, when we picked him with 75th overall pick in 2012 Draft.

    I wonder where are those people that should be eating Crow on this blog. I guess Silence is the same thing. It is definitely nice to make all that noise go away,, :)

  10. Macabrevity says:

    On occasion I wind up browsing a random football forum somewhere… amazing to see the amount of hatred directed at a guy like Sherman for his penalized (roughness?) hit in Monday’s game. People talking about suspensions, throwing out weird off the wall insults, really strange. I wonder how these people who are so sensitive to a sport that requires players to get extremely psyched up to survive 60 minutes of high speed violence ever became football fans in the first place. Sports fans are a crazy lot – hating a gut they know absolutely nothing about, and hating with such passion – simply because of the uniform. How many people just appreciate a team playing the game well? Or even better, two teams playing to win and never giving up? I imagine most of these fans would be happier if their team could mop up semi-pro teams and never have to play top competition.

  11. NYHawkFan says:

    Thanks joreb, very nice video on the Wilson family.

  12. I’m sure The team takes this game with focus, but for some reason, it’s more of a “meh” to me. I mean I know it’s the Niners and all, but after the way this season has gone, I just can’t get myself all emotionally worked up about it. The lead-up seems more mechanical rather than any sort of big event that I should be excited or overly concerned about,…sad, I remember enjoying beating up on the pretentious and soft bayboys, oh well, maybe it will all come back when I walk through the gates at Candlestick for the last time this sunday.

    Go ‘Hawks!

  13. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Not bad company but I would rather see comparisons,(down the road) with Montana and Brady and their multiple Super Bowl wins then with the two best regular season qbs of alltime.

    “The Seahawks have lost just two games in the last calendar year, and since Week 9 of the 2012 season (when the Seahawks really opened up the playbook for him), Wilson has the league’s best passer rating (112.9, with Peyton Manning second at 110.9), and his totals over the last 20 games are among the best you’ll ever see for any second-year quarterback not named Dan Marino — 321 completions in 488 attempts for 4,324 yards, 38 touchdowns, and eight interceptions.”

  14. No sweat NY…the kid is special. I was convinced last preseason against the Chiefs and it has only grown from there.

    BTW…I sent an email to the NY Times this morning shaming them for not having done a piece on Russell yet. If we can get a win this weekend, maybe we’ll see something soon.

  15. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The 49ers haven’t beaten a team with a winning record all year.

  16. chuck_easton says:

    Wilson may not be able to beat out the man, the legend, the forehead, that is Payton this year, but he has gotten his name into the discussion.

    Not bad for a 2nd year guy. He’ll finish his career with more than a few trophies on his shelf.

    Only trophy I care to see Wilson holding is that shiny silver one from Tiffany that is only given to one team per year.

  17. Dukeshire says:

    The only people that I remember speaking about their optimism regarding the Wilson pick here, from one “day one”, were pabuwal, STTBM, and Georgia. (Several others were cautious but hoping for the best) I of course was (embarrassingly) very down on the pick and have long ago admitted just how wrong I was.

    Anyone can come in after the fact and say how much they knew, and have always been saying it, and so on. But the fact is, that would be a lie because we have the archives.

    Not sure if I like the fact Wright wasn’t aware they can clinch Sunday, (I presume because he’s committed to one game at a time). Or if I’m surprised he was that unaware. Given the two, I’d much prefer the former than a scoreboard watcher. Handle the business in front of you… (‘Course, he could have been full of it too. lol)

  18. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Exactly. I only care about seeing him hold Vince. (And I’m certain that’s his only priority.)

  19. So we’re clear, I wouldn’t object to R Dub winning the MVP but would prefer we get HFA first.

    With that said, some of the best stuff on him and his case include:

    Win loss record
    Doing it w/o starting tackles and center for much of the season
    Throwing to 3 undrafted WR plus Golden Tate
    TD to INT ratio
    QB Rating or Passer Rating (someone will surely correct me on this)
    Best record over the last 16 games going back to last year
    Best rating over the last 16 games going back to last year
    More wins in 1st 2 years of playing
    His rushing statistics

    Unfortunately, the MVP is a popularity contest and it’s why I unfortunately don’t think he’ll win. It’s not that I’m brainwashed. It’s not that he doesn’t deserve it. It’s that the guys doing the actual voting are quick to dismiss anything outside of Peyton Manning, the darling goody two shoes.

    I wish it was different and maybe Denver can lose another game or two, but if #18 goes for 50 TDs and a #1 seed, I think they’ll give it to him.

    All of which doesn’t matter as long as we’re the ones hoisting the Lombardi in NY come February.

    Can I get an Amen!? (even though I’m not particularly religious)



  20. yankinta says:

    Dukeshire,, I seriously doubt that all those people thought Wilson was going to be better the Great Andrew Luck from Day One… I’ve been saying that since late last year, in the off season, during Training Camp, in the beginning of the Season.

    I think I recall you strongly disagreeing with me when I said Wilson was a Top 5 QB with Top 3 Potential and Luck was only an average QB with Top 10 Potential, before the Season Began. I’ve yet to see you eat crow about that…. huh? huh? lol :)

  21. chuck_easton says:

    AMEN, Hallelujah and pass the collection plate!

  22. yankinta says:

    joreb,, I completely agree with you. I think if Denver doesn’t go 4-0, and Seahawks go 4-0, MVP will be RW,, no Matter what the Stats say.

    I’m actually seeing a lot more noise nationally about RW’s MVP race than I thought. I think there are A Lot more people/voters, that are willing to look for more than big numbers are. Just as Fans are getting more aware and educated, Writers and Talking Heads are improving too.

    This is what I call New Age NFL, and I think the New Age NFL has officially began this year.

    In the New Age NFL, a 5ft 10 3/4in Starting QB Destroyed No.5 Ranked Defense in less than 3 quarters…. We should all prepare to be shocked with things that will happen that we have not seen before…. :)

  23. chuck_easton says:

    Um, Wilson is 5ft 10 5/8th inches tall. You added an extra 1/8th inch to his height. Don’t go all embellishment here.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    That Sac Bee article rips of the veneer off of this year’s 49er team. They might get to the playoffs, but they’ll be 1 and done. They just desperately wish it wasn’t true.

  25. pabuwal says:

    Wilson is the number 2 QB in Pro Bowl Voting.

    As far as Luck, he isn’t an average QB and he might never be elite. I pegged him as a Matt Ryan type coming out where he needs great talent around him to look great. Without a good running back, he hasn’t had that. I’ll stick with that Matt Ryan comparison because it’s been spot on.

  26. pabuwal says:

    A Matt Ryan type being in the very good but not elite class.

  27. Hey Duke…if you would…please go back and pull any post about me and Mr. Wilson. In fact, you can go back and check out how long I’ve been saying GO HAWKS and it was long before Mr. Wilson arrived. You could only imagine how delighted I was to see him say that at the end of every one of his interviews.

    Go ahead…I can wait. I’d do it myself, but I’m just not as savvy as you are my friend. Not even close.

  28. Admittedly, I did not follow him in college as I don’t care as much about it as I do the pros. And I was a Tjack supporter because of his grit and respect from teammates. But the first time I heard Russell speak in rookie camp and how Pete and John were gushing over him, I started to pay attention and quickly caught on to what they were talking about. I hated Flynn, his noodle arm and arrogant attitude and still do. It may have not been day one but it was definitely early on.

    Check it.

  29. chuck_easton says:

    I can confirm that joreb was right there with Georgia, pabs, and STTMB last year when many of us skeptics thought they were all nuts.

    No need to go back to last years posts. Joreb can definitely be added to the list with pabs, Georgia, and STTMB

  30. Appreciate it Chuck.

    At the end of the day, we’re ALL in this together!

  31. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, in your eyes, is Matt Ryan a Top 10 QB or Top 15 QB?

    joreb,, I followed RW in College (Wisconsin only) and I followed Luck in College. However I only watched 2 games of RG3 and watched 1 or 2 games of CK in College. I was not impressed with Luck since his Stanford Days….that’s why I’ve been saying he’s Wayy overrated and Over hyped. But I knew since the Rose Bowl that RW was the Real Deal and I was hoping we draft him in the first round cuz I was sooo worried we’d miss out. That’s why I jumped out of my Couch Screaming when we got him with 75th pick. :)

  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Several here were optimistic about Wilson from day one, (when he first got drafted) but Yank wasn’t one of them.
    There is nothing that can be found in the Archives to say otherwise.

    All I said that day is I thought it was a good pick. Not because I was a fan of Wilson or knew much about him either.
    At that time all I knew about Wilson was what Eric posted about him.

    The reason I thought it was a good pick at that time was because it was a good draft class and I wanted further insurance in case Flynn didn’t work out, or at least a young qb to develop down the road.
    I would have been just as happy that day if we had picked Weeden or Cousins.
    Just like everyone else here Wilson started to grow on me the more I saw him and studied his College performances and his character.
    Probably the reason Wilson has grown on me faster then others is because I’m more of an intangible fan then a measurement fan, and it’s always more fun for me to root for the underdog.

    Anyways I think we are all on board with Wilson here weather he is top 5, top 10, or top 15.
    It’s fun to see all this great stuff happen to him but I would be the first one here to trade him to the Colts for Luck if I knew there was a guarantee we would win multiple Super Bowls.

    So Yank, get on board with the team for once because no one here needs to apologize or admit nothing to you until you can at least be truthful.

  33. pabuwal says:

    I dont rank a list, I put the players in groups based on what they can do for a team and what level of support they will need to be successful.

    Like for instance, I can tell you that BJ Daniels will never be a 2nd stringer in the NFL, unless a team loses a ton of QBs. Where that puts him on the QB list, I don’t know. Just because he’s 5-11 and athletic doesn’t make him a poor man’s Russell Wilson like you think.

  34. Dukeshire says:

    joreb – I wasn’t trying to exclude you. I only remembered those three off the top. No slight intended.

  35. Right on. No worries.

  36. yankinta says:

    lol,, GeorgiaHawk, I don’t need your approvals… I don’t care if you eat crows or not. We all know who’s 95% right, on this Blog. As long as we all know inside…. for example, I don’t care if you refuse to eat crow about Luck being a Top 5 QB,, your Silence is about this subject was All I wanted cuz I don’t want further brainwashing the innocents on this Blog….Just as I’m getting Duke’s Silence about this nonsense (luck being a Top 5 QB)… :)

    pabuwal,, you said “A Matt Ryan type being in the very good but not elite class.” I was only asking for elaboration because I’m not sure what that meant. For example, how many Elite QB are there in the NFL today? How many very good QBs? As for me, I think Luck isn’t even in Matt Ryan’s Class. I Believe Matt Ryan is a Top 10 QB but not Top 5. For me Elite means Top 5.

  37. I remember being mad when we picked Tony Woods over Harris Barton in ’87.

  38. ChrisHolmes says:

    Grandiose Type.

    Now stop feeding the troll people.

  39. What did ACIB say about the Wilson pick? Isn’t that yank’s old handle?

  40. NYHawkFan says:

    joreb, tell me about it! The press in NYC don’t recognize that any other teams exist short of the Jets & Giants. I was born in Seattle and grew up around Olympia. I remember that on Sundays I could choose to watch games from around the country! Not here, only Jets and Giants games are telecast (can’t stand either one of them), with the exception of SNF, or those with a NFL package. I bought a Slingbox and mailed it out to a friend in Washington so I could watch the Hawks.

  41. edstang45 says:

    The Plan!!!! bruuhahahah that’s so funny can that be real!!!! …
    Todd where do you find this stuff it’s so dang funny. I would love to see this on Fox or NFL Channel on game day… should pass that on to Bradshaw, or Eisen it would be soo funny and a good slap in the face to the whiner nation…hahahahahah love it Go Hawks

  42. MoSeahawk12 says:

    We all 100% know who thinks they are right 95% of the time.

  43. thursday says:

    Lol, the NIners fanbase is so butthurt they make themselves feel better about their lack of fan participation by calling the Clink “artificial noise”. That’s hilarious. It’s not a lie if you believe it right?

    I was definitely one of those optimistic about Wilson from day one. I was excited about Flynn, but as soon as I saw Wilson play, I was on the wagon lol.

    I was a little nervous about the Saints game with all the nonsense around it, but I’m just straight up excited for this one. I hope we can get it done.

  44. NYHawkFan says:

    C’mon people… Why all the back-patting for saying “I liked the Wilson pick from the get go.” Seems to me you have a 50% chance of being right on that one. Not exactly a Nostradamus in saying that. Let’s talk about the Hawks instead of self-appointed celebrity posters. (No particular names in mind). Go Hawks!

    Loved the interviews by Carroll and Quinn saying that they used base alignment against Saints. In other words, we don’t need to do anything out of the ordinary on defense to beat you.

  45. I was pretty much on Russell Wilson after the Seahawks drafted him. Not to say I knew much about him before that but I loved the near fight between John Gruden and Mel Kiper on draft day. John loved Russell from the start and Kiper is an idiot. Then I enjoyed what I was hearing about him from rookie camp thru traing camp. But when I saw him play in the preseason, especially the Chiefs game, I was all in. I’ve loved everything about the kid since then. And I love him even more as time goes on and we learn and see more and more about him. I’m looking forward at least a decade and half of Seahawk dominance with him as our QB.

  46. Dukeshire–Thanks for the mention. Glad someone remembers something positive I had to say about someone other than Tate lol! (there’s actually lots, but people only seem to remember my ragging on our O-line).

    If you go back far enough, you will find my first comment on Wilson. It was right after it was reported Bevell and Carrol were checking him out at the combine and/or his Pro Day. And its embarrassing to admit, but I freaked out and said basically No more tiny midget players–I had enough of that with Ruskell!

    In my favor, I went and read about Wilson and watched some highlights and changed my tune PDQ. But I had no freaking clue he’d be this good, and I kinda thought Flynn should have been given the job Game One. Except for that Tendinitis stuff…

    Im proud of the fact I had hope and faith regarding Wilsons abilities, but Ive been SOOO wrong before, so I cant be too proud of myself. I was stoked we got Dan McGwire. I wanted Raghib Ismail in the worst way. I thought Curry would be a stud (still think he should have been, he just was stupid and lazy). I was glad we didnt draft Brian Orakpo. This list goes on…

    So as you can see, there’s plenty of reasons Im just a neurotic fan…

  47. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Speaking of O-line. This is probably surprising to many here. Pretty major improvement. Let’s hope they can limit the 9ers to three or less.

    After being sacked 27 times in the first eight games, quarterback Russell Wilson has been sacked just three times in the past four.

  48. On Sherman and the hatred people outside the PNW show him; It bothers the hell out of me. IMO, its a combo of racism and snobbery. They hate him because he’s outspoken about his abilities and is black, and because he plays for a team out of the public eye that keeps winning. They hate us winning.

    Deion Sanders talked more crap than Sherm, but wasnt as intelligent–and no one cared. Brady wont say it in the media, but he’s a Champion Shpit-talker and a really poor loser and a terrible role model for those reasons–but thats ok, he’s a qb and white and plays for an East Coast Big Media team.

    Funny how its okay for teams like the Pats, Stealers, Ravens, Jets, Packers, Niners–heck, even the Cardinals–to play rough and commit personal fouls left and right, but one shady play by Sherman and Seattle is the anti-christ.

    Its ridiculous! There was no uproar about Karlos Dansby and the other asshat on the Cards who did stuff like arm-bar-choke Hass after the whistle, step on him deliberately after a play, and always try to drive him into the turf…this went on for years and neither the refs nor media cared. LOok at the pushing, shoving, and crap the Niners pull vs us after the whistle–and the refs spend a couple minutes breaking it up but wont ever throw a flag.

    Golden Tate got a lot of flak for his now-illegal hit of the Cowboy LB, yet when other teams WR’s do the same the Media and fans are silent. The hypocrisy is stunning.

    But yeah, I didnt like that play by Sherman either.

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Nobody here but one is patting their back NYHawkFan, and he wasn’t here the day or week that we drafted Wilson.

    I don’t know why you think it’s so bad to say “I liked the Wilson pick from the get go?” I think several folks here, ( who watch College ball) and did some research on him were not just flipping a coin and getting lucky.

  50. Well, my cousin John was roommates with Harrison Wilson at Dartmouth. I remember meeting him several times and being very impressed. I even wrote a letter to the Seattle Times saying that if Seattle ever gets an NFL team, and Harrison Wilson ever has a son, we should draft the kid because he’ll be an absolute stud. Better than Bart Starr.

    Now, can we stop this stupid, “I was the first one to fall in love with Russell Wilson” conversation? I was first, back in 1975. We all love Wilson. He’s awesome. This team has finally found its franchise quarterback. Some of us took longer to come around than others, but we’re all there now.

    Let’s move on.

  51. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    This game means much more to the Whiners then us, but man oh man, wouldn’t it be very sweet to clinch it on their turf!

  52. yankinta says:

    lol,, there’s a difference between liking the RW pick and saying RW is the Real Deal,, Much Better than Andrew Luck…. but who cares,,right??

    As long as we all finally agree that RW is BY FAR the Best QB to come into NFL the past Several Years…. although it took over a year for some of us to see the light,,, :)

  53. pabuwal says:

    As far as we can tell, you were a big fan of Wilson AFTER it was apparent he was going to win the job from Flynn. Great work!

  54. MoSeahawk12 says:

    One of the greatest things about Russell Wilson is that he knows he good and doesn’t need constant self praising to show everyone.

  55. SlickToxic21 says:

    I know I’m not the only one on here that could care less who thought Russell would be as good as he has been, or thought he would be a bad pick. I can’t believe that during what I believe will be our best season EVER……that there is so much in-fighting on projections, opinions, who’s better than who, etc.
    Is it that some people can’t handle the success? The absolute mind-blowing joy that comes from having a team this good? Esp. after having so many disappointing seasons….culminating in SB XL, where we outplayed our opponent, but still didn’t get bragging rights for anything….just more people calling us whiners for complaining about officiating costing us the chance to finally experience that joy!
    We have the BEST team in the league. We are deeper than anyone, we have no weaknesses….from offense to defense to special teams! This team is top 3 in all those categories! Russell is the man! He’s our guy, and hopefully will be for the next 10+ years, making us contenders for the next 10+ years!
    Let’s enjoy this people! I know it’s “only” football……but I have been smiling since last year! Even when we lost to Atlanta…there was still this awesome feeling about the future, and how bright it will be!!! Go Hawks!!!!

  56. MoSeahawk12 says:

    he’s good

  57. NYHawkFan says:

    No offense intended. Just don’t think that it takes any great football intelligence to predict whether a particular player will be a good pick or a bust. That’s a 50-50 chance of being correct. On occasion, the blog gets a little too caught up in who’s right, that’s all. Sorry if my post ruffled any feathers.

  58. GeorgiaHawk says:

    OrrObb- There is only one here posting anything close to “I was the first one to fall in love with Russell Wilson” stuff.

    Why are you so butt hurt over folks revisiting where they were when the light bulb came on with regards to seeing the it factor in Russell Wilson.
    I don’t hear no one bragging about being the first except for one.
    I think it’s cool to hear the stories from the folks here.

  59. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, lol, sure, according to you…..

    But then who was the one that said RW will be a Top 3 QB this year before this season began?
    Who was the one that said Luck is Average??
    Who was the one that said CK is only good against Zone Defense?
    Who was the one RG3’s game can be easily defended (50% quick throws to WR’s)?

    I think there was only one person that said this during the Training Camp.

  60. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Agreed Slick, many people are simple missing the ride and the pure joy that it has brought with it. Only four regular season games left with this team already matching it’s regular season win total from last year. Eleven and one, never been done.

  61. yankinta says:

    NYHawkFan,, completely Agreed!! 50-50 chance…. that’s why I’m saying that there’s a HUGE difference between liking a Pick and saying RW is the Real Deal and will be a TOP 3 QB this year. Now that takes Gut and Eyes for Talent and trusting his own eyes…. :)

  62. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Did I mention Russell Wilson doesn’t have to brag, boast or deliver constant self praise?
    Be more like Russell.

  63. CDHawkFan says:

    Would I be arrested if I put money on the Hawks this weekend? At 2.5 point underdogs, I feel like we have insider information. Martha Frickin’ Stewart didn’t have this good of information.

  64. SlickToxic21 says:

    Right Mo?! I mean who cares about the other stuff. I know a lot of it is one guy (12-year old I would guess), that wants or needs all of us to admit, or at least continue reading how brilliant he is….but for the rest of us……let’s just enjoy this unbelievable ride!
    For 30+ years, I’ve gone through all the heart-breaking ups and downs of this team….mostly downs.
    There was a time when they were voted one of the worst franchises in sports……now look at us! It could change at any time though….see Tampa Bay……enjoy people!!

  65. yankinta says:

    However,, I did not see this coming…. WOW, just wow. MMS :)

    Where’s the Blowhard Chuck_Easton now? He said there’s No Way in Hell, RW wins MVP before Andrew Luck does….. This dude doesn’t know much about Football…. smh…

    Here’s latest article by Ashley Fox.

    Russell Wilson is NFL’s real MVP

  66. pabuwal says:

    Where’s the upset specials for the week? And I don’t mean picking favorites or teams that are underdogs by 1 or 2 points.

  67. NYHawkFan says:

    Yanking a, please don’t put added meaning to my words. By the way, even your estimate of Wilson being a “Top 3 QB this year” only has a 50-50 chance of being correct. Either you’re right or wrong in your prediction, that’s a 50-50 chance.

  68. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Now I know you have gone off the deep end when you place value in a Ashley Fox article. Lol.

  69. NYHawkFan says:

    Sorry, yankinta…. Blasted auto correct

  70. HawkfaninMT says:

    I rmemeber the Gruden-Kiper battle… hat was awesome!

    I try not to give too much credence to many of the sports news outlets beyond just entertainment purposes. But Gruden’s Draft Camp is really good. I remember being particularly excited when watching it about Earl Thomas and Russell Wilson before the Hawks even drafted those guys. It’s obviously not always spot on, they made Cam Newton look like a fool, but Gruden does know his stuff.

  71. Want to do something productive Yank…learn how to manage that massive EGO you have. No one will ever give you credit on Wilson b/c you’re a broken record. You think name calling is funny, but only to you. You’re nothing less than a self serving solipsistic little brat that pouts and goes home when you’re not acknowledged for being such a MOTO (master of the obvious). Grow up dude! Contribute something worthy instead of always just looking for accolades. At this point, the only title you’ve earned is troll and for that you get recognized often, almost daily. No one cares if you’re right. No one will acknowledge it. Be selfless instead of selfish…or just be like Russell.

  72. banosser says:

    Joreb… I think you’re probably right about Manning getting his whatever number MVP this yr despite what Wilson has accomplished… the only thing I care about is that at the end of this yr Wilson has the SAME number of SB victories as Manning

  73. yankinta says:

    Loved this Comment on ESPN: Those that say Denver without Manning would be worse and Seattle without RW.

    “2011: Seahawks are 7-9. A very similar team as today, with a little less experience.
    2011: Denver makes the playoffs. With Tim Tebow.”

  74. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, I am not placing value in a Ashley Fox article. I believe she is one of the Voters for MVP and RW has her Vote. I see things are starting getting better for RW MVP chances…. Voters are starting to see the light…. makes me happy, that’s all. :)

  75. thursday says:

    @STTBM that rant was right on. Sherman was trending on Twitter Monday night and I looked through it and there was so much vitriol, but one comment stuck out, “sure Sherman is talented, but does he have to be such a jerk about it”. I do think it’s a combination of race and not being on a media darling team.

  76. chuck_easton says:

    The only thing any Seahawks fan cares about is getting that first SB win.

    I would not shed a tear if Seattle had zero pro-bowlers, not one player mentioned in the 100 best players of 2013, or got a bad review for the food served at VMAC, if the trade off was watching the team hoist the Lombardi trophy.

  77. yankinta says:

    NYHawkFan,, lol I see. So according to your logic, if I say that Brandon Weeden will be a Top 3 QB in 2014, then I have a 50% chance of being right?? Is that the same as saying 50% likely-hood?

  78. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I’m right there with you Slick on the 30+ years with this team. Been plenty of highs and some very low lows, but I have never seen anything like what these guys are doing this year. Last year was a taste and you could tell something special was happening. I’ve been to games at the King dome, went to Steve Largent’s retirement party in 1989 where I met him, Krieg, Zorn, Warner and a bunch of other great Seahawks players. I was fortunate to hang out with Cortez on the sideline during at game against the Cowboys in Dallas. I use to shoot photos for the local paper, “Inside the Seahawks”. Some of you here may remember that publication. Man I wish they still had something like that. That was a cool thing to have and allowed me some great access in the 90’s. Anyway, these guys are making history pretty much every week and it’s worth watching. The next win will give Wilson twenty three while placing him at the top all time for a QB in his first two seasons. That’s HUGE! I also like the sound of twelve and one. Cause, we all know it’s never been done. Around here anyway.

  79. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Like I have said before I’m not so sure you are a Troll and I won’t try and influence others around here to ignore you either, but I must say it doesn’t take long for me to get tired of your same old stuff every day.
    And about when 3:30 comes around I look forward to your Mom coming home and kicking you off her computer. Especially on Fridays though because then we get a break from you for the whole weekend until your mother goes back to work on Monday morning.

  80. Singularitarian says:

    Duke to be fair me and you had a few conversations about Wilson and my beliefs that he was the man

  81. Singularitarian says:

    I really can’t understand how SF can be favored in this game, especially with 2 all pro lineman out. I think papa might have to put a little suh-n suh-n on this one.

  82. MoSeahawk12 says:

    This team isn’t the same team as the 2011 team.

  83. NYHawkFan says:

    Yank, it’s about your prediction. If you take a stand on something, your prediction will be assessed to be either right or wrong at a future date. That’s a 50-50 chance.

  84. I agree Chuck.

    The pressure and frustration of not winning a SB ever is finally weighing on me. As great as this season has been, Ive struggled with frustration watching the Offensive Line debacle, and the ups and downs of the defense, and its occasionally robbed me of joy (just not as often as some seem to think).

    Ive always been a person who believes winning isnt everything, that displaying good sportsmanship and overachieving are more important. But SB 40 stole some of that from me, and last years frustrating loss to ATl rekindled that burn.

    As much as I hate to say it, if Seattle doesnt win the SB this year, this season will be a failure. Were gonna lose a bunch of great players in the offseason, likely a couple of my favorites, and next season will be a bit of a reload and mini rebuild. This is our year. Its just got to happen.

  85. SlickToxic21 says:

    Cool Mo! I would’ve loved to have met Largent, Easley, Knox….guys like that back in the day. As an older dude….it would still be cool to meet some of the players and coaches…not as cool as when I was younger, but something about football makes me still feel like a kid.
    I was at one of their practices earlier this year….and went down to the fence after practice to get my football signed. Felt a little silly, especially when the “official” there kept telling everyone to let the kids get the autographs first. I just kept looking back at my wife, and shrugging my shoulders. I finally got Miller’s autograph, and it was kinda cool. Could’ve gotten Kearse’s autograph, but didn’t want to jump into the crowd with all the little kids…haha!

  86. Audible says:

    Speaking of depth and talent…consider this:

    We could have skipped the entire 2013 draft and still be where we are right now in stats and number of wins, which means the FO started with one of the weakest teams in the league and built a powerhouse from FA, trades, and only two drafts.

    1st round, Harvin, contribution negligible
    2nd round, Michael, contribution nill
    3rd round Jordan Hill contribution small
    4th round Harper, cut
    5th round Jesse Williams, contribution negligible
    5th round Luke Wilson, contribution small
    5th round Tharold Simon, contribution nill
    6th round Spencer Ware, contribution small
    7th round Michael Bowie, small
    Ryan Seymore, Jared Smith, Ty Powel …cut

  87. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Natestradamus said a year and a half ago that this would be the Seahawks year.

    If it doesn’t happen we all have nate to blame. Lol.

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That is remarkable Audible.

  89. Hey everyone; I have an idea to get things back on the positive.

    How about we list our top-10 Seahawks we WISH we could meet/have dinner with, and then list the Seahawks we’ve met?

    Hawks Ive met:

    John L. Williams
    James Jones
    Dwayne Harper
    Steve Largent
    Eugene Robinson

    Ive also got Cortez Kennedy autographs that my friends Grandma got for us because she met him while riding her horse. Tez wanted her to take him riding, but she was always afraid he was too big and would hurt her horses lol! He was really nice and when he heard her grandkids were huge hawk fans, he not only autographed pics and cards, he gave her extra for my siblings and me. Largent was very nice and really made my shy little bro feel at home in no time; he’s great with kids. Robinson was the same, he went out of his way to bring my brother out of his shell, telling him with his huge hands and height he must be some kind of ballplayer–he even made him compare hand size with him (Robinsons are enormous!). John L. was quiet and a perfect gentleman, posing for crappy polaroid pics with my sister and I. Harper was quiet and James Jones was pretty much a dick.

    Top-10 Hawks I’d like to meet, no particular order:

    –Matt Hasselbeck
    –Doug Baldwin
    –Big Red
    –Jacob Green
    –Jeff Bryant
    –Bobby Joe Edmonds (ask him why he left football for 5 years, then returned; he’s the only player in NFL history to do that.)
    –Mike Fryar (paralyzed by Lamar Millers (?) bad driving)
    –Bobby Engram
    –Kenny Easley
    –Seneca Wallace

    Ok Ill stop now thats more than 10 lol!

  90. Nothing matters more than the Lombardi trophy.

  91. Bowie helped out a lot. He may not have been very good, but he wasnt awful. And what would we have done without him while Breno was out?

  92. RDPoulsbo says:

    FWIW, I was big on Cousins in the 3rd-4th round, but was fine with the Wilson pick. The primary reason I was skeptical of Wilson at the beginning was and still am very skeptical of running QBs. They’re inconsistent passers and injury prone because they take a lot of hits. Vick, Locker, and RG3 sure haven’t proven otherwise. Wilson has proven he’s not really a running QB, but rather a mobile one that’s going to get the ball out of his hands when he can, so that concern has long been settled for me anyway. The other thing was, I don’t like starting rookie QBs unless you have to. I would have been happy to have Wilson sit behind Flynn for a year and revisit the starting QB situation at the beginning of this year. History has long shown QBs have a better chance of succeeding that way rather than throwing them into the fire right away. I have no problem admitting I was wrong about that and have a long time ago. I’m not sure why someone keeps wanting to flog a dead horse about something settled last year though.

    As for the Sherman hatred, I wouldn’t go as far as racism, but I definitely see a lot of elitism about the hatred. If you break down their comments, it comes down to “shut up and entertain us! You don’t have no place to have your own opinion!” A look at his targets that brought him into the national discussion is a who’s who of the darlings of the elites like Brady, Calvin Johnson, Revis, etc. It’s not really about race, but the guys the elites want to see dominate. The scuffles with the Redskins and Steve Smith don’t help his image with these people either. I wouldn’t worry to much about it. In fact, I find it entertaining to see their type look like fools while they are at a loss for answers.

  93. I’ve actually liked the performance of Luke Willson so far. He’s made plays when the team’s needed him to do so, and his blocking’s been better than initially anticipated.

    Would he be a factor if Anthony McCoy were healthy and active? Probably not, but I think the TE discussion will be interesting during the offseason, especially with the amount of money Miller’s making.

  94. montanamike2 says:

    Hi all! I was in Tahoe for my nieces wedding and thanksgiving. Just to add my 2 cents, i was glad when we got Flynn and i didn’t know about RW until the Gruden QB interview prior to the draft, after we chose him i was ecstatic but didn’t expect anything from him for about 2 years until i saw him in the pre-season. When i was at the airport last night there was a guy wearing a 49’rs hat and i had a Seahawks hat and we had a stare off for about 5 minutes until he finally turned his head away and blinked, it was nice to win that one. I was in Sacramento with family during the ‘aints game and sported my Wilson #3 jersey, it was an awesome day.

  95. Seahawks celebrities and staff who I’d like to invite to a Monday Night Football Kegger (49ers vs Broncos):

    Richard Sherman
    Michael Robinson
    Steve Raible
    Tom Cable
    Breno G.
    Todd Dybas
    Dave Boling
    John Moffit
    The Sea Gals
    Doug Baldwin

  96. montanamike2 says:

    Audible how much would it cost me to be at that party?

  97. I should add GeorgiaHawk to the list…that would jack up the fun factor!

  98. Hey Mike…you’re in! :-)

  99. yankinta says:

    NYHawkFan,, I guess when you say Chance, most people think the same as Likely Hood. That’s how I think as well. But you think differently, which is fine. Let me rephrase. Liking RW pick and saying RW will be a Top 3 QB this year is not the same. It’s Astronomically Different in the Likely-Hoods…. how’s that? :)

    GeorgiaHawk,, Dude, stop. Now you just sound like Chuck, the biggest Sore Loser on this blog. You don’t want to be the second Biggest. Yes, I don’t spend 24/7 on this blog… so what? I have a life other than this blog,, lol, I guess to you, that’s a bad thing…. :)

    Audible,, that’s a Great Point!! But as STTBM pointed out, Bowie and Bailey has put in good minutes. Remember both our Tackles were out 7 Games Together,,

  100. montanamike2 says:

    Audible thank you!

  101. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Watch out now because someone might think you are bragging. Lol, just kidding.

    I wish I could say I have met some Seahawk players but I haven’t. Could Dominique Wilkins qualify? He did play for a Hawks team.

    My top 10 I would like to meet- This is counting coaches.

    1. Sherman.
    2. Robinson.
    3. Moffitt.
    4. Easley.
    5. Carroll.
    6. Wilson.
    7. Tobeck.
    8. Hasselbeck.
    9. Boz.

  102. yankinta says:

    JZombie,, me too. I am confident that he will be our 2nd TE next year. McCoy is gone unless he signs for minimum and compete against Willson for 2nd TE spot.

    I also think T-Jack is gone after this year. He will be affordable for us. Other teams would definitely out-bid us. BJ Daniels and another QB (maybe late round Draft Pick) will compete for 2nd QB spot.

  103. We’ll need all the help we can get to keep Moff from pissing in our rhododendron.

  104. chuck_easton says:


    Don’t fall into the ‘amount of money Miller is making’ trap. Just a quick update:

    2013: Base Salary 6.8 million, Cap Hit 11 million
    2014: Base Salary 4.8 million, Cap Hit 7 million, Cap hit if cut 2 mill
    2015: Base Salary 2.8 million, Cap Hit 6 million, Cap hit if cut 1 mill

    So, Miller’s pay drops by 2 million next year and the cap hit drops by 4 million. Or he can be cut to save 5 million in cap space.

    You don’t think that the production Miller brings to this team is worth 4.8 million?

  105. I assumed Hass would bring Tobeck with him…you’re right…gotta have him.

  106. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Welcome back montanamike2. I thought you had a confrontation at the hot springs with the weirdo’s.

  107. montanamike2 says:

    Miller was the primary receiver in Oakland and a big loss to that team when he came here. Now that we don’t need him as o-lineman he’ll show his worth and his salary is structured so that i don’t think he’s expendable at all.

  108. montanamike2 says:

    Thanks GeorgiaHawk, it’s good to be home even if it’s minus 15 degrees outside!

  109. Dukeshire says:

    Singularitarian – Apologies to you as well. Again, I wasn’t intending to exclude those who said Russell was going to be good, before he ever took a snap. It was just that those three names can to me at that moment.

    Seattle’s got to be the first team ever to be 11-1 and a dog. I can’t imagine that happening before.

  110. I thought about Bowie and Bailey, but here’s my rationale…we won games in spite of their inexperience and blunders on the field. So, the way I see it is we took our lumps in order to get some young talent valuable experience to improve depth. I think we could have filled those spots with veteran FAs and probably had better production out of the tackle positions, but that doesn’t help us long term. Those guys were a liability much of the time, but we got through it and now have two young OL with game experience.

  111. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I could just see knox and Wilson at a party. While everyone else is sharing jokes, Knox and Wilson are sharing clichés.

  112. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck Knox mentoring Russell Wilson…

  113. chuck_easton says:

    Not quite Georgia,

    Wilson would be telling everyone that he is just happy to be part of the party, and as long as the party is successful he has done his part, really it’s all about the party not the attendies, and we can only focus on this particular party, one party at a time…

  114. chuck_easton says:

    Oh, I forgot, Wilson would then go home and spend hours watching film of the party so he can improve his performance at the next party…

  115. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck – Hahaha

  116. montanamike2 says:

    Funny Chuck.

  117. The 2005 Colts were heavy underdogs when they went into Seattle at 13-1. But they had already clinched the division and it was known that Jim Sorgi was going to see substantial time, so it’s much different here.

  118. I brought up Miller’s money not because I don’t believe he’s worth it, but because it’s been brought up here before. Thanks chuck for bringing in the numbers on it.

    I feel like he’s done more than enough to earn his pay, because anyone looking at receiving numbers only is going to miss a much larger picture. Even then, some of his catches in the past few weeks.

    Have to say I haven’t felt this good about our TE group in a while. Kellen Davis may make a few bad moves, or have a ball or two bounce off him, but he’s far and away better from someone we had last here whose name I won’t mention.

  119. tealskin says:

    It is strange to think about how little contribution there has been from the last draft. Does that mean that maybe the Hawks didn’t have a very good one? Dare I say it? Harvin, Michael, and Ware,not pressing needs. We’re relying on short-term fixes to some extent this season. Agree with STTBM, this has to be the year with the changes coming.

  120. Southendzone says:

    Luke Willson I would say has contributed solidly this year, I don’t think you can call his role small or negligible.

    Bowie also, that guy has put in work and gained a lot of valuable experience.

    On Miller, I’ll be more than happy to see him here next year at 4.8M. You get the feeling that he and RW have good chemistry and he’s a great safety valve good for 7 yards when things break down. I consider his dependability fully worth 4.8M. Maybe by the season after, McCoy and Willson are able to fill that role, or the Hawks finally find the dynamic TE they’d like to have.

  121. “One keg at a time, one beer at a time, one chip at a time…Consistency, Dominance, Clutch…no empty cups, no spilled drinks, no party fowls.”

    And….that’s why Wilson and Largent aren’t invited.

    They can join our book club when Carroll publishes his next book.

  122. It is definitely nice to make all that noise go away . . . . . nope still here!!!!

  123. Southendzone says:

    Look for my soon to be released raggae song depicting the struggle and persecution of Brandon Browner against the NFL.

    “Hawk-a-Lo Soldier”

  124. You need to be sporting some dreads on the cover.

  125. raymaines says:

    I think if Sherman were an outspoken Stanford grad, a supreme talent and white he could have knocked that Saints guy up into the third row with little or no outrage.


    I wanted the Seahawks to have a good QB and didn't really care who it was. I remember hoping it would be Flynn because I liked typing that "Geoux 'Hawks" thing, but freely admit I can't judge talent and didn't offer much of an opinion, and that's still how I feel. I love everything I've ever read about RW, but I'd replace him later this afternoon if I knew the next guy were better.

  126. I’ve been a little distracted (got married in Maui over Thanksgiving) and am not sure if anyone posted this 4 minute clip that was featured on ESPN before the Saint game – but it sure is cute:

  127. MoSeahawk12 says:

    This may have already been posted, but really worth a watch. Wilson and the girl that made him a wallet. Great story. Another reminder of our good fortune with Wilson.

  128. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That is funny stuff Chuck but so true.

  129. doubledink says:

    Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.

  130. In regards to last years draft Pete Carroll commented up front that he couldn’t imagine those young players having much of an implact on the team this year. The team is too good and too deep for that. It seems to me though that at least of few of them might have an impact in the future.

  131. rramstad says:

    I’m happy to admit that I didn’t see the Wilson thing coming, except that I did acknowledge that he clearly outplayed Flynn in the preseason and that if Pete wanted to maintain any credibility with his always compete mantra that he’d have to start RW game one… also that in my opinion if RW failed, it wouldn’t be hard to switch over to Flynn, but conversely, if he started Flynn and Flynn floundered, it would be very hard after two or three games to put RW in at that point… given his rookie status he really needed as much work as possible as quickly as possible for him to be able to succeed, and throwing him in after a month of regular season games would be very very hard to sell to the fan base.

    So I was one of those that was pretty excited by how RW performed, and thought he earned the starting job, but conversely, I absolutely did not think he stood any chance vs. Flynn, to the point that when I met them at the 12th Man Town Hall before the season started, I didn’t really acknowledge RW, even though I have a picture of myself with him, I was more enamored of Irvin, Rice and Flynn.

  132. Georgia–Sorry man, not intending to brag. I stood in line for hours to meet Largent at a Fred Meyer, accidentally ran into Robinson at a Sears or Penney’s at a mall (he had a booth and no one was there!), and the rest of the guys were at a Fast Food Joint a friend of a friends family ran, some promotional deal…not exactly much to brag about, just trying to jumpstart conversation in a positive direction for a change…

    Somebody on here was bragging about attending a barbeque at Jacob Green’s house–now THATS something to brag about!

  133. MontanaMike–Welcome back dude! Its colder than a well-diggers butt aint it! I just spent a couple hours freezing my toes off outdoors–forgot my winter boots!

  134. It all depends on what kind of party you’re going to have. If it’s some sort of formal gala, where you dress up and bring your lady, I would want:

    John L. Williams
    Bobby Engram
    Mike Rob
    Robbie Tobeck
    Walter Jones

    If it’s more of a ragging kegger where you just shoot the shit and tell stories all night long, I would want:

    Brain Blades
    Derrick Fenner
    Mike Tice
    Kenny Lucas

    The other guys I’d like to meet, but not sure what list to put him on: Eugene Robinson.

  135. OrrObb–I’d like to meet Moffitt too, especially at a Kegger. Owen Schmitt as well. Ive met Tice, but I dont count that. He used to come yell at us HS football players because he was friends with our coach. He’d try to “motivate” us by telling (yelling) us we needed to play better because he didnt want his kindergarten kids going to school in a district with a loser football team….

    We were the smallest team in our league, started the year with 48 kids and finished with 23. Yet we made the playoffs despite losing 2-3 games by 3 points or less…

    Tice is an utter douche. It boggles my mind that he was ever hired as an NFL OC, let alone as a HC. Thats like Biff from Back to the Future becoming President…

    Speaking of Biff, Im about to Make Like A Tree…and get out of here!

  136. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- I was kidding. I didn’t take it as bragging but I see nothing wrong with that now and then too.

  137. Can it just be Sunday already!

  138. SandpointHawk says:

    @STTBM…Great story about Tice, I’ve met many pro football players in my day including Tice and he was indeed confused to say the least….Thanks for sharing.

  139. Sandpoint–No problem. Tice is probably a fun guy to go drinking with, if you can put up with the macho jock thing. I just lost all respect for him with the crap that came out of his mouth that year…He doesnt seem to be the brightest bulb in the world, thats for sure.

    We played our hearts out, win or lose, but it damn sure wasnt to he wouldnt be embarrassed to have his little kids attend our school district lol!

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