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Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Dec. 2, 2013 at 6:05 am with 185 Comments »
December 2, 2013 2:05 am
Byron Maxwell will be on the spot Monday night against the Saints. / AP photo
Byron Maxwell will be on the spot Monday night against the Saints. / AP photo

Good morning.

Game day is finally here. It’s been a while, huh?

In our game preview, I wrote about the Seahawks trying to stop Drew Brees, one of the league’s precision passers. Seattle has not faced a quarterback of Brees’ caliber this season, and especially not one with his numbers.

Our John McGrath says this is the best Monday Night Football game in a generation. McGrath goes back to comments made from Joe Montana to illustrate his point:

There’s nothing much more to say about the NFL’s best Monday Night Football matchup in a generation, but when the home-team quarterback speaks, I listen.

“As a player, you live for these types of games,” he said. “They don’t come along very often, so they’re exciting to be in.”

That unremarkable observation sounds like it could have been made by the Seattle Seahawks Russell Wilson, but it wasn’t. When the observation was made, Wilson was a toddler, less than a week into his “Terrible Twos.” (Or in the case of Wilson, no doubt, his “Terrific Twos.”)

The observation was made by former San Francisco quarterback Joe Montana before the 49ers faced the New York Giants on Dec. 3, 1990, the last time a Monday Night Football game boasted two teams with records as gaudy as the 10-1 Seahawks and 9-2 New Orleans Saints.


> Jim Moore puts down the microphone and hits the keyboard over at 710 ESPN. He wonders if the key absences will finally catch up with the Seahawks.

> Here’s the game preview from the Associated Press.

> Hank Gola of The New York Daily News says Pete Carroll “needs to get the Seahawks in line before this Super season goes up in smoke.”

> Pete Carroll was part of ESPN’s Sunday Conversation.

> The Times-Picayune writes what to watch for Monday night.

> The times-Picayune also says Saints tight end Jimmy Graham is spending more time than ever studying because of varied coverages.

> says the Panthers lead the list of under-the-radar contenders.

> San Francisco beat St. Louis, 23-13, and feels it is back on schedule. From the San Francisco Chronicle:

Are the 49ers, who have beaten only one team that currently has a winning record, really built for the rugged road ahead?

“I guess we’ll find out,” (Justin) Smith said. “We’ve got Seattle coming in here, and they are sitting on top the division.”

> It’s not up yet, but check for Peter King’s column which is supposed to be up today and cover tonight’s game.

Leave a comment Comments → 185
  1. Ewalters7354 says:

    Time to turn up 12th man!Been almost 2wks since this team laced up.Here to a convincing win!!!Go Hawks!

  2. pabuwal says:

    The 49ers Defense is able to make elite offenses look average and average offenses look bad with little offensive support. That’s my definition of elite.

    Tonight, we will find out if the Seahawks Defense is elite.

  3. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Looking for the offense to have a big night tonight. I think the Saints D lives off exotic fronts and weird blitzes. If we handle that early (preferably by running straight into their blitzes) Rob Ryan will have no answers…

    Also expecting Brees to shred us between the 30’s and stall in the Red Zone. The man coverage must be tight tonight because Brees just demolishes zone.

  4. DisplacedSeahawkFan says:

    Thank God game day is finally here. It’s funny how stable my mood is now compared to how it will be in 24 hours. I haven’t felt this anxious since I was a little kid on Christmas eve.

  5. I think the key for us tonight is to get ahead early and pound the rock. I’m a little worried as to how we’ll respond mentally if we get down too much. With all the challenges that have been swirling around these last few weeks, the team needs to focus on staying together. I’m glad it’s finally gameday. Here’s hoping that we get a major storm in tonight.


  6. CDHawkFan says:

    A bit nervous about tonight. Mostly about having another slow start like in Washington/Atlanta and a few other games this year.

    Haven’t seen it too often, but hoping for 4 full quarters of good football.

    Unless Brees give us 2-3 picks, I see them scoring some points. Our offense can do the same, but I think the difference will be if we can control the clock/run the ball. If we put up points based on more running than throwing, then I like our chances. Without Harvin I don’t want to see us try and win a shoot-out through the air.

    Also, while our pass rush defense is better than last year, I still have some questions. Just hope its more like the GB first half, if so its going to be a fun game to watch. Clem needs to finally show up this year.

    Game starts at 1:30 am here in the UK, I am going to be worthless at work tomorrow.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Because of wet cold weather and wind I am changing my prediction to- Seahawks-35 Saints -17

  8. TallyHawk says:

    Take care of the ball and get 6 in the red zone and everything should be fine. A little pressure on Brees wouldn’t hurt either. Glad it’s finally game day!! Bye weeks are torture!

  9. yankinta says:

    The Two Stats, that 99% of the nation do not know::

    Saints 37 Sacks, Seahawks 33 Sacks (Most people think we have more since our D is better)

    Seahawks 306 total points, Saints 305 total points (Most people think Saints Offense is much better than ours)

    I think that’s pretty interesting…. :)

  10. scorpeeo says:

    I’m not much for predictions given that I believe strongly in the “any given Sunday” mantra but this is not a good match up for the Hawks right now.

    This could get ugly if we turn it over.

  11. chuck_easton says:

    This game will be huge. It is going to be a dog fight. The Saints don’t want to leave Seattle in a tie with Carolina. The Saints still have memories of their last trip to Seattle.

    By no means is this going to be an easy win for Seattle. Both teams better bring their A game and everybody better have their chinstraps buckled up tight.

    Brees will move his team. He will get yards. D has to limit the TD’s and force FG tries. Their kicker is shaky at best.

    The Seattle O needs to be humming tonight. If they have another of their sputtering stop/start type of performances this very will might be the first home loss of the Season and the team’s first home loss in two years.

    I wouldn’t put money on either team. I’m hopeful for a Seattle victory, but nothing is definite, nothing is a given, and this game is going to be close. My guess is the winning margin is 7 or less points.

  12. I agree w you Chuck. Hopefully, it’s an ugly dogfight of a game, I don’t want a track meet against Brees and Co.

    The interesting thing is what Yank pointed out – the Saints defense is much improved this year. The times I’ve watched them, their D-line was really able to get pressure on the QB.

    It’s a great test for us, I’m excited to see how we handle it. And, also, very glad this one is at home.

  13. Here’s a stat that I haven’t heard from anyone in the media:

    Saints point differential on the season: +109
    Saints point differential on the road: +5

    They may move the ball, but I think they’ll have trouble scoring.

    If we run the ball well and avoid turnovers, we win.

  14. I don’t think they need to STIFFLE him but definitely don’t let him go hog wild! – if we hold him in check it will be a GREAT game!!!

  15. aelliott11 says:

    Hoping Marshawn puts together a 200 yard effort tonight.

  16. chuck_easton says:

    The key for Seattle tonight is ball control on offense. Brees can’t work his magic if he doesn’t have the ball.

    Tonight has to be a game where Seattle keeps handing the ball to Lynch and/or Turbin. Use the pass to get the first downs when needed, but focus on the run.

    I don’t predict a great game stats wise for Wilson, but if he can keep the sticks moving, avoid turn overs, and limit the three and outs, that will be more than enough.

    This isn’t the game to get into a track meet.

  17. Vegas56 says:

    I actually think that the idea that Seattle will try a ball-control offense, and all the focus on Lynch, will open up play action passing and that is where we’ll bite off big chunks of yardage, and hopefully some big play scores.

    On defense they expect us to pin back our ears and come for Brees, so a big wide body plugging the middle and staying home will be very important to keeping Thomas and Ingram bottled up.

  18. chuck_easton says:

    Well, this doesn’t sound promising, either for tonight or possibly for next week against SF:

    It’s good Harvin is trying everything he can to get back on the field. It’s bad if he has to get cortisone injections two full weeks after playing just a few offensive plays.

    Oh well, at least we got to see a glimpse of what Harvin might bring to the field. Don’t know if it will be in the play-offs this year or next year. But it doesn’t look like he will be available for the two biggest games remaining on the schedule.

  19. HawkfaninMT says:

    Couple of thoughts:

    Our starting CBs (as noted in a link above) in 2011 were Trufant and Jennings. Even with browner and Thurmond out, I would take our CBs now over those in a heart beat.

    In a link above:
    “They are going to come in and play the same type of technique,” Saints coach Sean Payton said. “You don’t see something change differently in regards to how they play a certain coverage or how they play a technique.”

    I really feel like this is false. When browner was out earlier, I could be wrong, but the secondary seemed to play a ton more zone coverage. I don’t know if they will tonight or not, but if Payton thinks this defense will be a strictly man to man coverage D tonight, he may be in for a surprise.

    My biggest concerns:
    On Defense is Sproles and Thomas and their screen game. They could eat up chunks of yardage if our DL is not reading those properly

    On Offense is a slow start. I really hope NO gets the ball first and the offense has a chance to let the game get started before they come on to the field.

    Also something that I feel the Hawks have been doing better at is scoring just before the half. Remembering from 2005, the Hawks were great at getting 7 or 3 before the half, whether they were getting the ball coming out or not. Just an observation more than anything else.

  20. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I actually agree with Skip Baseless on this one.

    Seahawks- 34
    Saints – 21

    Saints giving up 4.8 yards per rush is just awful. How are they going to stop the best rushing team in the NFL?

    Yes I know we rank third or something however that was with a injury plagued O-line. Now we are getting healthy there at just the right time.
    The only way I see us losing as if we play sloppy and have two or more turnovers then the Saints.
    If we win the turnover battle it will be a blowout Imo.

  21. The offensive key for us is efficiency – TDs not FGs, and convert 3rd downs. They have a very efficient offense. We just need to be as efficient as they are, and get a stop or two.

    Sean Peyton is a wily coach. I am sure he will come out very aggressively and try to take the crowd out of it by scoring quickly.

    I have no idea who will win tonight but I like our chances very much if we bring our A game on both sides of the ball. Anything less will not be pretty.

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Chuck, that is bad news, indeed.

    Most people on this blog ought to be familiar with those numbers as they were posted on this blog last week.

    And I agree with Chuck that converting on 3rd down consistently will be critical. Seattle must keep NO’s offense with as few possessions as possible. The easiest way to do that is to be successful on 1st down. 2nd and “medium” allows offenses to be in 3rd and short / manageable with regularity.

  23. Dukeshire says:

    HawkfaninMT – Lets no forget just how decimated by injury that particular Saint team was. Whole different animal tonight.

  24. bulldog80 says:

    Very disappointed not to see Percy Harvin in this game. This is exactly when we needed him to be a difference maker. Home field advantage throughout is what we’re playing for now. If we can win these types of games without him, why do we even need him on the roster? He’s just yet another distraction at this point.

  25. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Something that will effect Brees timing other then the crowd noise will be the wet conditions and the 20-25 mile an hour wind gusts.

    That’s another reason why I like Wilson as our QB. I think he can handle adverse weather conditions better then most QBs.

  26. HawkfaninMT says:

    @Duke: Absolutely, two very different teams now. But I suppose I was just jumping on the bandwagon of comparing the teams then to now. They also did not have Graham and Sproles as their main offensive centerpieces at that time, if I remember correctly. Also Hass was our QB and he passed for a fair chunk of yards in that game.

    Just a random observation to throw a little water on the doom and gloom of Browner/Thurmond’s absence.

  27. rramstad says:

    Bad weather plays into the hands of the team with the better rushing offense and the better rushing defense, which is the Seahawks. It’s a beautiful morning right now in Ballard but I’m looking forward to the clouds rolling in…

  28. Singularitarian says:

    I think the key to this game is being physical. This game will be cold and in the rain. Let’s get Brees and the receiving corps beat up and wet. I have never been a fan of the “get a lead and run the ball” style against a team that can put up points in a hurry, like the Saints. But, in the rain, at night, in Seattle, I think we need to smash the ball down their throats. Getting hits on Brees and putting Jimmy Graham on the ground via a Kam hit or two will go a long way once the fourth quarter comes and Brees has to drive the ball wet, tired and cold against this defense in this town

  29. Singularitarian says:

    damnit rammstad you took the words out of my mouth

  30. I don’t remember any zone defense in the 49er game. What I remember is Richard Sherman going man on man with Anquan Boldin and pretty much eliminating him from the game. I also remember Kam Chancellor doing the same thing to Tony Gonzalez in the Atlanta game. I bet the Seahawks will have something up their sleeves in this game that will come close to shutting down the New Orleans offense too. New England and the NY Jets did it and I think the Seahawks have a better D than either of those teams by a long shot.

  31. grizindabox24 says:

    Third downs will be huge on both sides of the ball.

  32. grizindabox24 says:

    I also am not worried about Sherm, Maxwell, or Lane…but I do have concerns at CB beyond them.

  33. Singularitarian says:

    Seattle’s D getting off the field on 3rd and long will be very important

  34. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    Even though you all have Saints on your mind, I have Seahawks on my mind! Revenge week has started in San Francisco!

    Before we get to that, I am looking forward to watching tonight’s game. New Orleans isn’t 9-2 by accident. When we were down there, they shut down Gore on defense, so don’t be fooled by their yards per attempt statistic. Their defense is stout overall, and they bring pressure. Watch out for Cameron Jordan, he’s a monster and played the whole game in our backfield. And on offense, even though we held Graham somewhat in check, Brees used Colston and then Thomas and Sproles out of the backfield to beat us. Even Robert Meachem had a couple of long receptions against us. Brees is very good at finding the open receiver when he has time. And he always has time. That O-line is tough and they pass protect very well.

    The schedule worked out for you that this game is in Seattle, but don’t chalk it up as a win just yet. I’ll be rooting hard for the Saints, of course, because this Sunday we’re going to start the final push to grab our division back!

  35. The fact that Harvin had a cortisone shot over the weekend means it’s much more likely we’re going to see him on the field tonight.

    Cortisone shots are intended to relieve pain and can last for several months.

    If the shot works, and they’re extremely effective, we’ll see him play in this game.

  36. I had a cortisone shot a few weeks ago in my knee and I went from constant pain even with a cane to being ready to play golf.

    Golden Gate, thanks for the tips but it’s still our division we just let you borrow it for a little while.

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    GoldenGate_Nate- You would have won that game in New Orleans if it wasn’t for a bad call.

    The thing about the Saints is that they do play great at home, however they are at best average on the road.

    If the Saints played in San Francisco the 49ers would win by 10+.

    This will be no cake walk for the Seahawks if they take the Saints lightly, (which I doubt they do) but it won’t be our toughest game this season, that one will be next Sunday.

  38. SlickToxic21 says:

    Appreciate good-natured fans from the opponents posting here. Thanks GGNate.

    Off-topic Alert:

    How about that “groin pull” on Vernon Davis yesterday! It hurt just watching it! Hopefully McDonald gets fined big time for that one!!

  39. Harvin says he is out for tonight :( Would be nice to have him on the field.

    New Orleans isn’t 9-2 by accident – the hawks aren’t 10-1 by accident either. just sayin’

    And shutting down Gore isn’t as hard as it used to be.

    Anyway it should be a great game – finally a decent one on MNF. definitely shouldn’t be another NYG – Minn snore fest

  40. The weather will be a huge factor in the game, especially for the Saints. They do not play well in the elements, on the road. May that hold true tonight.

    Seattle has shown a troubling trend this season; failing to run well vs the worst run defenses. I hope this trend does not continue. If the Saints shut down our run game, we’ve got to pass the ball to set up the run, but there is no way Seattle can afford to drop the run. We have to run, but running the first two downs every time will not get it done–Bevell had better have a varied gameplan and work some playcalling magic.

    This game is going to come down to how our O-line plays. Its time they pull their heads out once and for all, and really take it to New Orleans. All they gotta do is get Lynch one yard clean every play, he’ll make at least two yards by himself…and we can move the ball all day long…

    Seattle needs to prevent themselves from ending up in third and long situations, where the Saints can pin their ears back.

    It wouldnt surprise me to see the return of the read option, to slow down the pass rush and confuse the D. What Im really hoping to see is Tate get the ball in the open field (I refuse to say “in space”, this isnt Star Trek) and do some major damage, and Kearse and Baldwin getting open deep too.

    But what I want more than anything is to see our offensive line take the Saints D to the woodshed all night long, and Lynch score three TD’s.

  41. Dukeshire says:

    Audible – Cortisone shots also take several days to begin to take effect. So much of that depends on when the shot was given in addition to whether it will be effective.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW GoldenGate_Nate,(other then the Saints) your overall schedule worked out better for you.

    We had to travel to Indy and Houston in 10:am games, you had them at home. We had to travel to Carolina in another 10:am game. You had them at home.
    We still have to go play in another 10:am game against a Giants team that still believes it has a shot.

    How did the 49ers dodge so many 10:am road games this year?

  43. Even if Seattle loses to the Niners, its hardly revenge. Seattle beat SF by more than 25 points each of the last two times we’ve met, dating back to last year, and Seattle hasnt been beaten by more than 7 points in two years plus…

    SF will have to win two straight games by 25 points at least just to get even. Not gonna happen…

  44. GeorgiaHawk says:

    The Rams tried to hang on but there was just too much junk to deal with against the 49ers.

  45. Hey GoldenShower_Nate, once the NFL moved us to the NFC, I’m pretty sure the West has been owned by us, & you’d be chasing the Lambs. Funny thing is after we win tonight, our game vs the whiners is all but meaningless as we just need to win @ home the rest of the way. Guiness shminess who cares about the stupid “record” there’s been 12’s downtown since before sunrise this morning tailgaiting & setting the tone. Must be nice to be unemployed or self-employed, same thing haha. HASHTAG GOHAWKS HASHTAG 12THMAN

  46. RagingHawkFan says:

    At least the Trent Richardson trade takes away the media attention from how bad the Harvin one was.

  47. RagingHawkFan says:

    Risk vs reward and all that I guess.

  48. yankinta says:

    LOL…. this comment made me spit out coffee from my nose…. smh

    “Vernon …. show me on the teddy bear where he touched you.”….

  49. yankinta says:

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen 1000 likes on and that comment is getting close to 1000 likes…. lol

  50. Top Ten Reason Seahawks Win in a Blow-out: Seahawks 41, Saints 17

    1. Russel Wilson will have a big game tonight (QBR OF 120+) because the stakes are high.

    2. Preparation is the key to his success and he’s had two weeks to prepare for this game.

    3. He’s playing against one of his heroes in Brees, as if he didn’t already have enough motivation.

    4. We’re going to have a strong running game tonight, which will open up our passing game.

    5. The entire team is well rested and has had ample time to ponder the significance of this this game.

    6. This is not just another home game. This is a home game with a ton at stake, on National TV, in prime-time, with a play-off type atmosphere, so it’s much more than just crowd noise for this game…the atmosphere will be electric!

    7. It won’t surprise me to see RW rush for 100 yards and two TDs himself…he won’t have the same restraint that he would in a less meaningful game.

    8. I think the weather is going to favor the Seahawks power running game.

    9. Special teams will help win field position.

    10. The Saints will have trouble coping with our pass rush and speed on defense.

  51. Yank – will you be getting one right tonight or does it make sense to put the house on the Saints?

  52. RagingHawkFan says:

    I’m think one of two things will happen.

    We start slow and comeback to win(likely)

    We start fast and the try and make a game of it

  53. yankinta says:

    Audible,, the Max possible QBR is 100. lol :)

    pabuwal,, I was 0-3 for my upset picks this past weekend,,,such a rare event…. lol
    but nah, I’m sticking with my original prediction 37-17 easy Seahawks win.

  54. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We all have heard about the size of Wilsons hands but I was wondering how Brees ranks.

    Looks like Brees is doing well with a 10 1/4 hand size.

    Vick has a surprising hand size of 8 1/2.

    And Jim Druckenmiller, (one of my favorite names of all time) had a hand size of 11 1/4.

  55. Not a big Huskies fan, but it really sucks Sark is leaving them for hated USC. Ive hated USC since I was a little kid, especially when they got together with another Pac-10 school and paid thousands of dollars to a PI to dig up dirt on UW since they were getting whupped in recruiting in their own state by Don James.

    USC sucks.

  56. QBR is not a percentage. It’s calculated from a complex formula that includes factors like yards per completion, interceptions, and yards per completion. It’s measured on a scale of 0 – 158.3.

  57. Seattle needs to have Malcolm Smith in at LB along with Irvin and Wagner. They arent a great running team, but Graham is wicked fast and so are all their WR’s, not to mention Sproles. We need the speed Irvin, Wags, and Smith bring. Wright is just too slow. And I dont see Chancellor being able to cover Graham by himself, he’s also much too slow.

    If they want Chancellor on Graham, they better stick Irvin or Smith on him underneath, with Chancellor as a deep double.

    Gonna be interesting to see how this one shakes out.

  58. reporting Harvin definitely out tonite

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    It does suck that the Huskies can’t find another great coach like James.
    Looks like Sark is taking the easy road knowing he can get the best recruits year in and year out.

  60. That just means its time for Channel 83 to go Prime Time!

  61. princeaden says:

    Remember the onside kick in the Superbowl for Payton and the Saints? Payton is a coach who will try whatever he thinks he needs to win a big game. Just a thought to keep in mind.

  62. RagingHawkFan says:

    Poor Payton. His visor is gonna get all wet.

  63. SandpointHawk says:

    QBR is the ESPN system goes to 100
    NFL Passer Rating is the established system goes to 158.3

  64. RagingHawkFan says:

    Seriously does he sleep in that thing?

  65. thursday says:

    Show of hands who trusts articles anymore…

  66. SlickToxic21 says:

    Is there ANY chance that Carroll WANTS to hold Harvin back because he wants to make sure that Harvin is playing in the playoffs, and teams won’t have much if any tape to go over on how they will be using Harvin?
    Combine that with the fact that he isn’t 100%……is it possible?

    I remember the Seahawks SB run in 2005, and thought I saw several different defensive schemes against Carolina and Washington, that I hadn’t seen all year.

  67. HawkfaninMT says:

    Regarding the QBR discussion…

    Audible you are referring to Quaterback Rating as a stat held by the NFL. Yakinta you are reffering to ESPN’s QBR ranking system.

    I don’t know what you guys are debating, but you are using two different scales…

    Carry on

  68. RDPoulsbo says:

    Red Zone efficiency will be important tonight. It’s certainly not NO’s strength on offense.

    They’re 31st in Red Zone efficiency on the road. They’ve been getting into the end zone just 38.46% of the time in those situations. If the secondary can limit big plays from Brees, the Saints could be in trouble.

  69. HawkfaninMT says:

    Is it just me or is there more random stats being thrown around for this game than ever before?

  70. Carrol will play Harvin as soon as he can. Harvin is too sore to play right now, which sucks, but Id rather he sat till he’s 100% than play hurt. We’re fine with Baldwin and Tate starting, and Kearse coming off the bench.

    While Seattle–like every other team–will change up a lot on both offense and defense for the playoffs, they wont “hide” a player and unleash him in the playoffs, thats silly. There’s tons of tape on Harvin already, defenses know he’s a star.

    Im quite sure Carrol wants Harvin onfield just as soon as possible. Meanwhile, Im not holding my breath.

  71. Thats a great Stat Poulsbo! Seattle probably will go with a lot of zone defense tonight, even though Brees usually shreds it. If they can keep the recievers in front of them, we can make them earn their points in the red zone, which they arent good at. Just dont let them have any big/long scoring plays, and put some points on the board ourselves, and things will be good…

  72. Singularitarian says:

    Sproles and Thomas certainly concern me catching out of the backfield

  73. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, you and Audible are misinformed. There are only 2 stats to measure effectiveness of Quarterbacks. Passer Rating System and QBR. There’s no Quaterback Rating System by NFL. lol :)

    Passer Rating System goes up to 158.3 and QBR goes up to 100. Maybe you should double check before you lecture me on it… :)

  74. yankinta says:

    We should Shut Down Harvin until Week 16. I think he needs about 2 games to get ready for the playoff…. It’s better for RW’s chances of MVP too. If he can blow out teams (next 5 games) without a No.1 Receiver,, he definitely should be a close second in the MVP race.

  75. SlickToxic21 says:

    STTBM…no one is 100% at this point in the season, and just because they have tape on Harvin from his days in Minnesota, doesn’t equate to having tape with the Seahawks, and how they might use him (even with Bevell as the OC in both places).
    That said, I get that if he was healthy, they would have him out there…..they’re not going to risk him, post-surgery, and with all the $$ they are paying him.
    At 10-1, they can afford to be extremely cautious with him….I’m just suggesting that they might be being even more cautious, with the thought of “unleashing” him in the playoffs.

  76. rramstad says:

    I wish Harvin could play tonight, but it may work out for the best, in that it would be awesome to get him for another 15-20 snaps vs. the 49ers without any more film of him out there…

  77. yankinta says:

    Ignorant Idiot (Shannon Sharpe) speaking…. It’s obvious he hasn’t watched Seahawks games… smh

  78. If I could have Harvin play in only one more regular season game this year, tonight would be the one.

    Maybe its just me, but the Saints game (IMO) is vastly more important than the 49ers game. The Saints game will have a significant impact on which team has home field advantage in the NFC play-offs. The 49ers games most significant influence is whether (or not) San Francisco makes the play-offs.

  79. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I win tonight helps our home field cause greatly. However, the Saints still play the eight win in a row Panthers twice in the next three weeks and I expect them to split those games giving the Saints another loss. Tonight isn’t the end all, but it sure will be nice to go 11-1!!

  80. Dukeshire says:

    Biggest game of the year and the troll still manages to hijack a thread.

    I’ve taken the rest of the day off to prepare accordingly. I suggest you all do the same if possible. Lol

  81. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    If the Seahawks win tonight, Sunday’s game means little to you guys, but it’s huge for us. If you lose tonight, next week becomes a little more important to you. Either way, this week is huge for us. Not just because we are fighting to keep our playoff spot, but we have a couple of bad losses to avenge.

    Someone mentioned that they are concerned about Thomas and Sproles catching passes out of the backfield. That’s valid. The Saints love to run screens to those guys, and they can kill teams with it.

    As for the 49ers, not sure if you caught the game yesterday, but Kaepernick is liking having Crabtree back. We’re a much better offense with him in there.

  82. yankinta says:

    HawkfaninMT,, lol yes. It is called Passer Rating. It’s not called Quaterback Rating System…. :)

  83. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    I just have to react to someone’s post about Wilson and the MVP voting. I assume you were talking about Manning when you said Wilson would be number 2 in voting. But there’s no way. Like it or not, MVP is all about stats, and Wilson just doesn’t have them. Don’t get me wrong, I like Wilson a lot. He’s not as streaky as our guy. But he just doesn’t put up the numbers. And, I don’t think he ever will. Not while he’s in Carroll’s offense anyway.

  84. HawkfaninMT says:

    No you are arguing semantics.

    If we are going to be perfectionists, when you type the addressee of a post, you should only put one comma. You did not, does that make your post null? No, it does not. I was simply pointing out that you two were basing arguments on different systems. No more, No less… In case you didn’t know, this is why posters on here ignore you posts.

    Lesson learned

  85. MoSeahawk12 says:

    At least it didn’t turn into Luck hijack…..yet

  86. yankinta says:

    lol,, nvm. You win. I will call/refer to it as Quaterback Rating System by the NFL in the future… :)

  87. yankinta says:

    Speaking of Andrew Luck (someone brought it up),, that was pretty impressive yesterday….. 17 for 32 (53% completion) 200 yards 0TD 1int,,,

    QBR = 37.1 and Quarterback Rating System by the NFL = 59.4,,, He’s definitely the Best Young QB in the NFL….. Definitely a Top 5 QB overall. smh….

  88. RagingHawkFan says:

    GoldenGate- I agree with you. Also the media loves Newton and Foles more than Wilson.

  89. pabuwal says:

    Aaron Rodgers should get the MVP. The Packers go from looking like a Division Winner with him to looking like a team in line for a Top 3 draft pick without him.

    In my mind, that is the sole criteria for MVP – how much of a dropoff would there be without the player?

  90. RagingHawkFan says:

    Plus Brees is having a numbers season…

  91. A little off subject but I have four minutes until I’m off work. That means four hours of pre-game “preparation.”

  92. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Biggest game of the year and the troll still manages to hijack a thread.”

    “I’ve taken the rest of the day off to prepare accordingly. I suggest you all do the same if possible. Lol”

    Why? because you can’t get your way? Lol.

    Yank has hardly taken over this thread today, however you choose to show your A$$ anyways.

    Great for you taking the day off. Sad for you to try and get others to do the same.


  93. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    Part of being the MVP is staying on the field. The Packers’ performance without Rodgers kind of legitimatizes his previous MVPs, though.

    Look for Foles to be in the conversation next year if defenses don’t catch up with the Chip Kelly system. I was glad when he left Oregon (they seem to be coming to the end of their run without him), and I don’t think he’ll have long term success in the NFL.

    What’s the deal with the Andrew Luck love on this board?

  94. trout_hound says:

    My big fear is starting slow because of the week off. I think we win the turnover battle though, and the line of scrimmage, and thus the game. Handily.
    Be thankful you guys can watch it. I have to work meeting tonight from 7-10. Thank God for my DVR.

  95. RagingHawkFan says:

    Trout- I think they start slow too. That’s just how we play this year. Hopefully tonight I’m wrong and we just dominate the game.

  96. yankinta says:

    GoldenGate_Nate,, I’ve just been trying to help those that’s been brainwashed about Andrew Luck. I never liked Andrew Luck since his Stanford days. I always thought He’s Over-hyped and Overrated. Now the entire nation is starting to see what I’ve been seeing…. :)

    My Young QB Ranking (just my humble opinion) :)

    1. Russell Wilson (He’s by far the best, not even a competition)
    2. Nick Foles
    3. Mike Glennon
    4. Cam Newton
    5. Andrew Luck
    6. Colin K
    7. RG3

  97. RagingHawkFan says:

    I’m near Portland Or and the hail coming down! I hope it heads north!!!

  98. GeorgiaHawk says:

    ‘What’s the deal with the Andrew Luck love on this board?”

    I think BobbyK fueled the Luck debate for much of the last year or so until it was obvious that Wilson was better.

    Yankinta is just hammering home to the Luck worshipers here that Wilson is the better QB, and I 100% agree with that.

  99. GeorgiaHawk says:

    RagingHawkFan- Great to here about the possible bad weather coming our way but we really don’t need it.
    We can, (and will if we have to) beat any team, anywhere, anytime to win the Super Bowl.

    This is not a Holmgren team.

  100. aelliott11 says:

    “Now the entire nation is starting to see what I’ve been seeing…”

    WHAT? You can argue your case, and you can present the stats, but nobody anywhere is calling Luck over-rated. Having a mediocre year? Maybe.

    You spend so much time patting yourself on the back. Look at me, I’m right. I called that. I said that long ago. Everyone is seeing what I’ve been saying forever. Unbelievable! A few weeks ago, you posted 3x or 4x a prediction you got pretty close.

    Where does your pathological need for attention come from anyways? Oh, and here is the obligatory :) smh lol.

  101. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Wilson is better then Luck, however Luck is the next best young QB, no matter what Yank say’s.

  102. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – The day off of work, jackass.

  103. RagingHawkFan says:

    Except the Colts right Georgia ;)

  104. GeorgiaHawk says:

    RagingHawkFan- Yes the Colts have our number and Luck is the greatest young QB. Lol.

    Not really.

    I did say we can, (not that we always will). But if you put our A game against any other teams A game we will.

  105. RagingHawkFan says:

    Georgia your logic applies to every team in the league. If you play your best you might win. Thanks I had no idea…

  106. Dukeshire says:

    It’s not convenient, it’s the truth. When on earth have I ever tried to steer people away from this blog? And while you try to figure that one out, how the hell would I prepare for the game away from a Seahawks blog?

    Moreover, if the two thoughts were connected, they would have been contained in the same paragraph.

    You really can’t help yourself, can you? I just feel sorry for you.

  107. Ewalters7354 says:

    Lol @ Duke

  108. yankinta says:

    aelliott11,, You can be the leader of Excuse Club for Andrew Luck on this blog. We have heard many excuses for him already in 1.5 years. That’s a nice one start out with,, “Having a mediocre year? Maybe.” :)

  109. yankinta says:

    RagingHawkFan,, Colts are nothing to us without Reggie Wayne and Ron Winter…. and Luck is below average without Reggie Wayne.

  110. Georgia–What is your problem?! I mean, aside from being a dick. Just stop. Nobody took Dukeshires comment the way you did. Youre becoming much like your favorite troll.

  111. Look what you started, Mo!

    Seriously though, I hadn’t realized how much Luck’s stats have slipped since Wayne went down.

    Hawks need to pound the rock and get after Brees tonight. Time for Bennett, Avril, CC and Irvin to get loose.

  112. AKhawkFan says:

    Good grief 12’s! Why must we hate on each other? I don’t see anything Yank has done to he hated(today). Georgia and Duke, com’on man! Spread love not war. We have a Niners fan in here giving positive contributions, we should be better than that.

    Goldengate, mad love for your posts this week, but next week it may be a little different. :)

    I look forward to a smash mouth game. Seems that everyone thinks its going to be a high scoring game, I’m not so sure.

    My first prediction this year:
    Seahawks 23 Aint’s 17

  113. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, you are saying Luck is 2nd best Young QB, no matter what?? lol Let’s see your ranking so far…. if you have time…

  114. After a late-season trade, I have finally acquired Russell Wilson to be my fantasy QB and he makes his “C-Chumps” debut tonight for me! Since I’m only down just over 6 points with Wilson, Lynch, Seahawks D, and Saints K going for me tonight — my chances look good! :)

    Isn’t it fun to have our team playing a great team and thinking/expecting that we’ll win because we’re better? I like it!

    Why do the rest of you feed the troll?

  115. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “You really can’t help yourself, can you? I just feel sorry for you”

    What the hell are you talking about?

    I think you should be more worried about getting Ewalters lips off your you no what.

    Now before you highjack this blog ,( like you claim Yank is) I will get back to what really matters tonight. The Seahawks kicking butt on the Saints!

  116. pabuwal says:

    This Nick Foles fraud will be exposed next year, much like it took time to expose RG3.

  117. AKhawkFan says:

    I took RW in the 6th round in my league and started him every game this year until last week (bye week and started McCown as a sleeper this week) and it paid dividends. He is back to starting next week for the playoffs. Warhawks enter the fantasy playoffs as the number 1 seed in my league. BOOM!

  118. Vegas56 says:

    Lot of PMS among the fans here today. Pre-game jitters in the 12th man!

  119. MoSeahawk12 says:

    no doubt bbnate. Regret is too simple a word.
    Fellas, we have a HUGE game tonight. Let’s put the nonsense aside and enjoy this never before seen opportunity to go 11-1!
    Monday Night Football and our Hawks at home against the second best team in the NFC. This game is bigger than any bickering that can go on here.
    If our team acted this way, we’d lose for sure. Stand up and join the charge against the Saints! Not each other.

  120. GeorgiaHawk says:

    AKhawkFan- exactly!

    There was nothing that Yank has done today to be called the Troll, That’s why I take offense.
    Even though I disagree with a lot of things Yank has posted he still has the right to post here if he is mostly civil.

    If we let folks bully posters like yank then we open the door to the way this blog used to be, and that is something I won’t tolerate.

  121. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    Good to know 9er Nation doesn’t have a monopoly on dysfunctional fans. You guys are cracking me up.

    I had the privileged of watching Andrew Luck at Stanford for three years. He is the real deal. He is 19-9 as a starter, taking over from a team that went 2-14 the year before he got there! Kaepernick and Wilson have had the benefit of great defenses and strong running games their first two years. Yes, they are both very good in their own right, but put Luck into one of these two systems and he would be right up at the top of the list. Not hating on Wilson, I like him too.

    Here’s the funniest thing I’ve read here today, though: Nick Foles and Mike Glennon are #2 and #3 on the list of best young QBs. . . ahead of Luck, Kaepernick, Newton, and RG3. Did you forget Case Keenum and Brandon Weeden? Ranking them #2 & #3 would make your joke even funnier.

  122. HawkfaninMT says:

    Unfortunately it was no joke, and to point it out will result in you being emoticonned, not picked, and had a head shakes at you continuously

  123. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Good to know 9er Nation doesn’t have a monopoly on dysfunctional fans. You guys are cracking me up.”

    Ha! Ha! GoldenGate_Nate, check out niner nation.

  124. pabuwal says:

    Looks like the weather won’t be too bad for tonight – no rain, little wind and mid 30s.

  125. Dukeshire says:

    I was talking about the post where you called me out for something I didn’t say. Perhaps you’re too drunk already to remember what you posted.

  126. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – Foles may reveal himself to be a fraud, but you can’t deny he’s having a hell of a run right now.

  127. AKhawkFan says:

    BTW we all have the power to scroll past posters or posts we don’t like. Rise above and enjoy the best season in Seahawks history.

    Goldengate – com’on man. I live in SE Alaska and we are prett much split between 9er and Hawks fans. 9er fans are typically the most chaotic and delusional fans I meet. I was warming up to thinking you weren’t one of them.

  128. Southendzone says:

    Love it, we haven’t had a good Andrew Luck conversation for at least 3 days around here.

    Leave you with this tid-bit for tonight

    Woe to you, oh earth and sea
    For the Devil sends the beast with wrath
    Because he knows the time is short
    Let him who hath understanding
    Reckon the number of the beast
    For it is a human number
    Its number is.


  129. AKhawkFan says:


    Beautiful man, beautiful.

  130. seahawkNJ says:

    Any news on Harvin? I have a sneaky suspicion that he’s going to play. Or at least be active.

  131. If we let folks bully posters like yank then we open the door to the way this blog used to be, and that is something I won’t tolerate.

    Not that you have not had your fair share . . .. . .

  132. pabuwal says:

    I most want to see the Seahawks Defense play as well or better than the 49ers Defense did against the Saints. The Seahawks are at home and have an offense to support the Defense unlike the 49ers in New Orleans so in theory it should be no problem.

  133. Georgia–Yet you are always looking to jump all over Dukeshire (and myself), including earlier in this thread. I’d call that bullying. Which makes you a hypocrite.

    And a certain Troll here constantly belittles those he disagrees with and touts his being “right” and how great his knowledge is..his language is almost always condescending towards those he disagrees with, and he went so far as to re-post his OWN COMMENT multiple times–IN THE SAME THREAD! His behavior is passive-aggressive bullying, as is your own–when youre not outright bashing someone.

  134. GeorgiaHawk says:

    What is my fair share xcman?
    Don’t waste the rest of your day trying to respond because we have a big game tonight but I would like to see what you can come up with.

  135. GoldenGateNate–I think you’ll find few here who agree with that list of top young qb’s. Its early days yet anyhow; give each qb at least two-three years starting before you can really judge/rank them. Foles may turn out to be a bust, as some have posited, but he’s thrown 19 TD’s and ZERO picks..thats astounding. He’s tearing it up right now.

    And most of us think Luck is one of the top few young qb’s. He’s struggling due to having little run game, and having lost his best WR with no backup capable of stepping into those shoes.

    Krapernick will improve–as we saw this week–now that he’s got a semi-healthy WR corps and has his favorite WR back (Crabtree). Damn, I wanted Crabtree in Seattle something fierce, and tried to look on the bright side…but the guy we drafted flopped so watching Crabtree tear it up is bittersweet…I still think Carrol would have loved having Crabtree…sigh…

  136. AKhawkFan says:

    The constant bickering is getting stupid guys. Just scroll, just scroll.

    I would love to meet with most of you guys and have a beer and talk football (a few posters withstanding, cough), but I just can’t handle this garbage. I’m stepping out on this thread. I hope the next one is easier to handle. Mad love and GO HAWKS.

  137. I think Maxwell is going to get picked on a lot. His technique hasn’t been that great. It’s hard to explain here, but IMO he should be trying to deflect passes with his back to the QB, not the WR. The way he does it now slows down his momentum from keeping up with the WR.

    I don’t know anything about Shead, but Lane is the guy I’m hoping gets more snaps. I’m not sure how that works out for him on special teams (since he’s incredibly effective there), but I personally favor his cover skills. The other thing that Maxwell does is grabs at WRs and draws penalties.

    Graham is a nightmare and Sproles is awfully quick although I think M. Smith has the speed to keep up with him. Stills is a burner too.

    If we can win time of possession and turnovers I think we win. I’m pretty nervous for this one. I wish the weather would get worse in a hurry.

    Can’t wait…


  138. Dukeshire says:

    STTBM – Hear hear.

    And that’s enough nonsense; bigger fish to fry tonight. Hopefully we can all agree on that.

  139. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- Where was I jumping all over you earlier in this thread?

    The only response I had to you on this thread was agreeing with your comment on the Huskies-

    “It does suck that the Huskies can’t find another great coach like James.
    Looks like Sark is taking the easy road knowing he can get the best recruits year in and year out.”

    How is this Bullying you?

  140. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Hear hear. Lol

  141. SlickToxic21 says:

    C’mon now Seahawks fans! Stop trying to change the other posters….ain’t gonna happen…..just gonna get more heated, and the rest of us don’t care to read all the petty BS.
    One of the bigger games in Seahawks history going on tonight….enjoy it! Go Hawks!!!!!

  142. edstang45 says:

    The closer the game gets the more nervous I get. Earlier in the bye I was quite confident even with both DB’s getting busted, I did not realize The Saints had such a stout defense if not real physical. The popular pick is the Hawks, But I’m worried about the layoff, and these guys better come out on fire, Lynch and the O-line need big games tonight, so RW can do his thing. Who’s gonna shut down Graham?
    …..pressure pressure pressure….Go Hawks

  143. Ewalters7354 says:

    Georgia seems to be enjoying happy hour lol so I won’t worry bout that lips comment

  144. SandpointHawk says:

    The visitor from SF has better manners than most of our regulars.
    Get a grip friends.

  145. pabuwal says:

    The last time the Seahawks faced a team with a winning record was way back when they faced the Colts and lost (2 months ago). So I can get why folks are nervous.

  146. chuck_easton says:


    He’s out. He tweeted it himself. It’s been reported on NFLN.

    Sorry your suspicion was not quite on today. We can hope for better news next week against SF.

  147. grizindabox24 says:

    Pretty nice weather in Seattle right now

  148. pabuwal says:

    Dilfer comparing the Seahawks Defense to the Chiefs Defense – basically calling it a fraud.

  149. boycie99 says:

    Add me to the nervous column.
    I don’t like us off the bye, we seem to have a habit of starting slowly on a normal week so I’m worried we will be rusty first quarter and spot the saints a start. Here’s hoping I’m wrong as we can’t afford our O to open up with several predictable run run incomplete pass, three and outs to start the game

  150. grizindabox24 says:

    Dilfer was no fraud…he just wasn’t very good to begin with

  151. Georgia–You havent bullied me on this thread, I meant your attacking of Dukeshire, caused by your misunderstanding his words and intent. You have a history of attacking me, usually due to completely misunderstanding my opinion. Remember re-posting my commment onto another thread where you continued to insult me and joust at windmills? And turns out you completely misunderstood my argument, so there was nothing in anything I said to find fault with. Thats bullying.

    Just relax man. Big game tonight that should tell us a lot about our team. Its shaping up to be a good game. I was hoping for rain, but this way both teams can play their best and we’ll see who comes out on top…

  152. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Is anyone else worried about passing out before the game begins?

  153. grizindabox24 says:

    Georgia, since I work until 5….No

  154. GoldenGate_Nate says:

    I had to go back and read what I wrote, because it looks like some of you thought I was calling you dysfunctional, but not Niner fans. On the contrary, I wrote: “Good to know 9er Nation doesn’t have a monopoly on dysfunctional fans.”

    What I meant was: “Niner fans are dysfunctional. Good to know we’re not the only ones.”

    Anyway, have fun tonight. I hope you lose (nothing personal), and I’m looking forward to Sunday’s game!

  155. seahawkNJ says:

    Just checked Harvin’s twitter feed. Didn’t see anything on there. I haven’t seen anythin official yet. Here’s hoping.

  156. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m actually becoming more calm as the game gets closer. The game is in Seattle and I think Brees will be rattled by the crowd noise. Maybe people have some extra excitement that’s being mistaken for nervousness.

    There’s a real excitement that’s building in town for the start. It’s just a matter of time before the 12s unleash it on the Saints. People have been sneaking out of the office already for this one.

    Go Hawks!

  157. grizindabox24 says:

    seahawksNJ…don’t hold your breath

  158. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- I wasn’t attacking Dukeshire. Geez, you try to make me look like a terrorist or something.

    Maybe if you all hit the juice when I do there would be no problem.

    Go Hawks!!!!

  159. Im interested to see how Seattle calls the secondary coverages. Are they going to put Sherm vs Colston or Graham, no matter where they line up, or are they going to keep him at LCB and let NO put their lesser WR on him all day? Will Shead play RCB or Lane or Maxwell? Who will be the nickel back?

    Will we blitz?!

    Cant wait!

  160. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Is there going to be a game thread today?

  161. You were one of, if not the biggest, a$$hat last year – you constantly jumped all over people if they make comments as simple as RW missed an open receiver — thats your fair share

  162. Don’t think it will rattle Brees – but it sure will affect what the offenses are able to do. He has been around long enough to experience noise issues. But not necessarily be able to midigate all the problems from it

  163. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That’s your distorted opinion, Now come up with some facts.

    It is more telling about you that you call me the biggest a$$hat last year though.

  164. pabuwal says:

    The only #1 seed in the NFC to make the Super Bowl since 2007 was the 2009 Saints. That’s just 1 of the last 6. That is also the only NFC #1 seed to win the Super Bowl this century.

  165. “If we let folks bully posters like yank then we open the door to the way this blog used to be, and that is something I won’t tolerate.”

    Georgia – Are you too drunk to look in the mirror yet?

  166. DFloydd says:

    As someone who can’t contribute much as I’m more of a learner with football X’s and O’s. all I can say is in my own opinion this blog is WAY better without the likes of Georgia and Yankinta. They contribute nothing of value except self congratulations, silly songs and an over abundance of unneeded links as we all know how to search the internet. However they have just as much right to be here as any of us. I just treat it like they’re an annoying necessary evil. I just skip past the nonsense these days and like the players “ignore the noise” Go Hawks.

    Enjoy the game everyone.

  167. grizindabox24 says:

    Seahawks Inactives: WR Harvin, RB Michael, CB Browner, T Bowie, G Hauptmann, DE Mayowa, DT Hill.

  168. SandpointHawk says:

    Ah a voice of reason, go DFloydd…

  169. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Seahawks- 34

    Saints – 17

  170. “Good to know 9er Nation doesn’t have a monopoly on dysfunctional fans. You guys are cracking me up.”

    It ain’t better when we’re not 10-1, I can vouch for that. We are like a big family here, replete with crazy uncles and nephews, but there’s still usually more love than friction . . . .

    Can’t wait until kickoff.

  171. The Seahawks broke the trend of SB losers not making the playoffs the next year in 2006. They will break the trend of 1 Seeds not winning the SB this year! And Seattle will host an NFC Title Game!!

    In a perfect world, the Stealers would somehow get there, and we’d beat them 50-0, despite more bad calls…and the Roger Goodell would choke on caviar and the head of officiating would be fired…and Seattle would rejoice…

  172. danooly says:

    I hope I’m wrong, but I have a bad feeling about tonight. I think the law of averages is going to catch up with us tonight and we’ll get some bad breaks and bad calls, resulting in a close loss. But as McGrath wrote today, it will end up for the best: the Hawks will be ticked off and trounce the Saints in the playoffs (at home).

  173. grizindabox24 says:

    Heard Fred Couples was raising the 12th man flag…wtf

  174. pabuwal says:

    Ian Rapaport says Percy Harvin may be out until the postseason and Winfield may join the Seahawks in a few days.

  175. DFloydd says:

    one last thing….C’MON BYRON MAXWELL! show us what you got buddy! Brees is going to test him and often.

  176. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – While that may be true, I’d *much* rather have them the #1 seed than not have home field throughout.

  177. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Just saw a report on NFL net that said we are signing Winfield tomorrow.

  178. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That was a pretty cool segment about the little girl that knew all the Seahawk players names and asked Wilson if he had stinky feet. Lol.

  179. Dukeshire says:

    Kam Chancellor and Jeremy Lane will need big games, the way Brees love hitting those seam routes. Kam on TEs and Lane on slot. Brees loves attacking the deep seam.

  180. seahawks12thman says:

    The answer to that question is…Yes.

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