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Morning Links: An inauspicious start to the week

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Nov. 26, 2013 at 6:15 am with 123 Comments »
November 26, 2013 11:00 am

Good morning.

Well, we’re off to quite the rollicking start this week.

After such an expansive back and forth with information yesterday, let’s lay out what is happening:

> Walter Thurmond is expected to be suspended today for four games today after violating the league’s substance-abuse policy. Thurmond being suspended four games means he is in “Stage 2″ of the substance abuse intervention program. It also means he entered “Stage 1″ in one of three ways:  a positive test; a behavioral problem; or self-referral. Entering the first stage goes publicly unreported. Based on talks I’ve had, it appears the Seahawks knew this was coming. Thurmond will sit his four games and is expected back for the regular-season finale. Of note, the four-game ban for being in this stage can include postseason games.

Thurmond is an unrestricted free agent following the season. A fair question is whether this will cost him money in the long run. My initial thought was no, but consider this: Now that Thurmond is in “Stage 2″, it means he’s on probation for 24 months or two full seasons, whichever is less. So, any team that signs him will risk Thurmond getting dinged again and being suspended for a year.

> Brandon Browner is all but done as a Seahawk. ESPN reports his suspension, this time because of a failed substance-abuse test, will be for a calendar year. He was a Pro-Bowler in 2011. He’ll be out of work in 2014. An amazing descent akin to his surprising rise from being cut by Denver and coming out of the CFL to join the Legion of Boom. The Seahawks were waiting to move him to injured reserve and still will likely do so. Browner was reportedly in the league’s substance abuse program in 2005, as well. In the grand scheme of things, with Browner an UFA, this isn’t very relevant to the Seahawks’ plans moving forward. He was likely out regardless.

> What Browner’s suspension does do, is add another name to the burgeoning list of suspended Seahawks over the past couple years. Here’s who they are:

— OL John Moffitt was suspended four games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy in 2011.

— OL Allen Barbre was suspended four games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy in 2011.

— S Winston Guy was suspended four games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy in 2012.

— Browner was suspended four games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy last season.

— CB Richard Sherman was suspended four games last season for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy. He won his appeal, however.

— LB Bruce Irvin was suspended four games to start this season for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drug policy.

— CB Thurmond suspended for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy.

— Then, Browner for violating the substance-abuse policy.

If you count Sherman, that’s eight. If not, that’s seven. Either way, that’s bad.

> It’s also important to note the league has separate performance-enhancing drugs and substance-abuse policies. Here’s a good overview of them.

> It certainly appears, based on Byron Maxwell’s increasing snap count and work we’ve seen from others in practice, the Seahawks had a good idea this was going to be the situation. At the least, it appears they knew this was coming with Thurmond. Maxwell and Jeremy Lane will be moved into more duty.

> A handful of replacement options for Thurmond and Browner exist.

Former Minnesota Viking Antoine Winfield is “going through the process” with the Seahawks, according to his agent. Winfield has not worked out for Seattle since the Seahawks cut him at the end of training camp. Winfield then retired. He has not signed with the Seahawks.

Former Seahawk and Tacoma native Marcus Trufant worked out for the Seahawks on Monday. Former San Francisco 49ers cornerback Perrish Cox worked out for them a couple weeks ago, along with former Oakland Raider Michael Huff. Huff was signed by the Denver Broncos last week.

DeShawn Shead is a candidate to be summoned from the practice squad. The Seahawks like his size (6 foot 2, 220 pounds) and his recent work in practice. Shead was signed as an undrafted free agent last season.

Rookie Tharold Simon, the Seahawks’ fifth-round pick in this year’s draft, is expected to return to practice Wednesday. He has been reserve/physically unable to perform list since injuring his foot in rookie mini-camp. Simon can practice for three weeks before the Seahawks would have to decide whether to activate him or put him on injured reserve.

> The Seahawks organization is likely to be fined for all these suspensions.

> Last, this is among the least desired scenarios coming off a bye week for a team that has the league’s best record, was getting all its pieces together, and faces the 9-2 Saints with homefield advantage possibly on the line Monday night.

We’ll chat later today and hear from Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll, plus players following practice.


> Here’s my story for the paper, basically covering everything discussed above.

> In case you missed it, our John McGrath wrote about Thurmond’s suspension yesterday.

> ESPN says the suspensions are ruining a big week for the Seahawks.

> A look at the playoff picture from the Sporting News.

> Peter King says the 49ers are hitting their stride and answers a question about the Seahawks’ chances of being fined by the league. He says draft picks could also become part of fines from the league.

> The San Francisco Chronicle also says the 49ers are back on track.

> Two reporters discuss how the Saints can beat the Seahawks.

> Here’s another look at playoff scenarios, were the season to end today.

> You can vote for who you think should be among the 15 finalists for the Hall of Fame here.

Leave a comment Comments → 123
  1. SeenThisB4 says:

    The Saints, on the other hand, are focused on the upcoming game. They’re not going up there to be cordial, expect the most physical, smash-mouth, bone shattering game of the year. And be loud, it won’t matter. See ya in January, in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

  2. yankinta says:

    Lol, SeenThisB4,, come back on Tuesday after the game. It will be a blowout. I’m predicting 37-17, easy win by the Seahawks….

  3. This too shall pass. Pete has it under control. Wilson is determined. Sherman and Thomas will coach up the next men up. Lynch will run wild and Percy and Tate will make us forget it all.

    Don’t sweat. Don’t waste negative energy on it. You’ll only do yourself harm. The guys that matter will be in that locker Monday and every week there after.

    Bye Browner. Hope you get your sh*t together Walt. Onward and upward.


  4. chuck_easton says:

    There is another side to all the suspensions. If a team has more than two suspensions in one season the league will fine the team a percentage of the total salary lost to suspension.

    Not only did Thurmond and Browner just cost their team mates on the field, they just cost the Seahawks some money as well.

    With team mates like that, who needs opposing teams?

    This Monday is going to be a fight. Don’t think for one minute this won’t effect much of the upcoming game.

    I predict there will be quite a few calls that go against the Seahawks based on the ‘bad boy’ reputation. Think Raiders of the 70’s.

  5. Southendzone says:

    Hawks have functioned w/o Browner before, this year and last. Thurmond out at the same time is unfortunate but we can get through it.

    Maxwell can get the job done and Shead is decent as well. Not only that but right now the Offense is getting to the point where they can pick the team up if necessary.

    Is our defense @ home w/o Thurmond & Browner worse than ATL’s defense at home? In a dome, the only place that Brees can function? Don’t think so.

  6. sluggo42 says:

    Well, I hope that this serves as a catalyst for the team against the NFL, since everyone will now be calling them the cheat hawks or the weed hawks from now on. Em strait the saints will be coming to town on a mission from God to slam us to pieces.

    Fortunately, we have a pretty big and physical team who should be pretty pissed off themselves. Plus we have a new toy on offense that nobody has seen yet for the most part, and the saints have no idea how to gameplan for that.

    I predict the Hawks come out looking for blood right from the get go, and even though the saints are going to think they are prepared, they just might be stepping right smack-dab into a very big and pissed off buzz saw…

  7. yankinta says:

    Yup Yup, I’m not worried at all. We all knew we weren’t gonna resign Browner anyway. I would have liked to have him in the playoff but I would much rather have Walter Thurmond in the playoff than Browner.

    I hope Antoine Winfield passes the physical/drug tests… lol he’s one of my fav free agent pickups. This dude is a real deal (over 100 tackles as a CB last season),, and Walter Thurmond beat him for a spot in the training camp. That should speak for how GOOD Walter Thurmond is (for those that say we should not try to sign him),, smh

  8. confucious says:

    I’m curious why Seattle players are consistently caught for the use of PED, illegal substances and you rarely hear it from other teams. I think Pete needs to talk to the other coaches and find out what they are using for masking agents. Players in the NFL don’t get that big just from time in the weight room. The use of PED’s is widespread in the NFL, it’s obvious. The secret to not getting caught is something Seattle needs to become privy to.

    This development does not scar or asterisk this seasons acheivments imo.

  9. chuck_easton says:

    Um yankster, have you not been paying attention again? Winfield passed on the team. It’s reported he came in for a chat but decided he wasn’t interested. Evidently the team didn’t want to pay his ransom demands. Can’t blame the guy. He has the team over a barrel.

    Perhaps Seattle will up their number to him today to ‘convince’ him to come out of retirement. But as of last night the word was he decided he wasn’t interested. Player code for ‘you aren’t willing to pay me what I think I’m worth so I’ll pass…’.

  10. chuck_easton says:

    So, confucious, your response to the team being caught cheating is to want them to learn how to be better at it?

    I know, how bout they just don’t CHEAT? It sounds crazy, but it just might work!

  11. confucious says:

    I hear you chuck, I don’t believe in cheating either. I do believe in a level playing field, however.

  12. CDHawkFan says:

    Todd, can you confirm if the Hawks had IR’ed Browner at the time of his injury, would they have been on the hook for the rest of his 2013 salary even if suspended later in the year? In reading a few other comments, it seems like IR’ing him after the suspension might allow Seattle to not pay him for the remainder of the year.

    Just trying to read between the lines. Did they bring Cox in before Browners injury (I am curious if they knew of Browner/Thurmond pending suspensions a few weeks ago, before his injury). Also wonder if Pete’s parting words last week (to keep their nose clean) was only made for damage control/PR to both CB being suspended.

  13. chuck_easton says:


    If Browner did go through the full appeal route and his appeal has already been dismissed, the team has known about it for a few weeks.

    It was I that brought up the possibility of the team not having to pay Browner and/or Thurmond while on Suspension. I know the player doesn’t get paid, but the money may go back to the league in fines.

    Also, as I said earlier, Seattle will now be fined by the league for having multiple suspensions for substance abuse/PEDs in the same season.

  14. chuck_easton says:

    I do know that the portion of a player’s salary while suspended does not count against a team’s salary cap. So regardless of how close Seattle is to the cap limit, they now have 5 games of Browner’s salary and 4 games of Thurmond’s that they can use to try and sign another player.

  15. raymaines says:

    Hi Todd, welcome back. Did you have a peaceful, pleasent week?

  16. yankinta says:

    Wow, Winfield passed on the Seahawks?? I know that we guaranteed his 1 million salary, even though he was cut. Maybe he wants extra incentives to come back. I don’t blame him. C’mon Paul Allen,, you get a ton of benefits/profits from Tax payers in this State. What’s another million?? Pay him!!! We don’t want Marcus Trufant back!!

  17. tealskin says:

    They were already fined previously. Do the infractions from prior years get used again to make the total number higher? Is this a case of being penalized twice for the same crime? Can understand if it’s different players being caught but we’re talking repeat offenders who are not cleaning up their act. Don’t expect total clarity on this since seems NFL doesn’t have to explain itself unless it wants to.

  18. CDHawkFan says:

    I am just wondering why they didn’t IR him after he was injured? I know Pete said maybe it was 4-6 weeks, but I think it was Dave yesterday who said it appears the Seahawks have just been waiting to IR Browner.

    Just curious to know why it would benefit them to wait to IR him. I would have thought they would have wanted to get Shead in or someone else in to get some game time experience either on ST or garbage time, or a guy not on the Hawks to take the roster spot to get into practice.

    They had to know that he wasn’t going to win his appeal.

  19. SeenThisB4 says:

    @yankinta: LOL! Keep dreaming bud. God’s team wears the Fleur-de-lis, and he doesn’t like to lose on Monday nights!

    Saints 28 – seabirds 17.


  20. yankinta says:

    SeenThisB4,, I hope you won’t run away with your tail between your legs… know where to find me on Tuesday Morning.. :)

    Other than good luck to you. Drew Brees has been my favorite QB in the league,,before RW came into the League…

  21. yankinta says:

    Just to give you some facts,, The Saints haven’t lost on Monday night since 2008, BUT the Seahawks haven’t lost on Monday night since 2004.

  22. thursday says:

    Lol at the Niners thinking they’re back on track. Didn’t they just lose last week? The Skins are completely terrible so I can’t see how beating them makes you feel good in any way.

    Further lol at the NO interloper. Because the Saints have done so well out in the cold this year. Losing to the Jets? Ok. Supposed to be 39 and frozen mix that day. Probably that persistent drizzle that makes everything feel cold and nasty. :D

    Echoing others saying the Seahawks are going to be pissed going into this game. And everyone’s just forgetting about Harvin. Doubt they will again after Monday tho.

  23. HawkyHann says:

    I’ve not been a fan of Thurmond for years. I’m excited to see “Maxey” and Lane. Those guys can ball and will step up. Also, time to turn up the pass rush.

    Browner was unique and tough. Ill miss his play but what a disappointment. And that was that for him as a Seahawks.

    I still see us crushing the Saints. Percy is made for prime time. Marshawn is Marshawn. This will be a fun game.

  24. SeenThisB4 says:


    Only way the Saints lose this one is if they lose the turnover battle.

    Good luck to you too. Unfortunately, I’ll be enroute out of the country by the time kickoff comes arounds; win or lose, I won’t be here Tuesday morning. So, if by some miracle your team wins on Monday night, congratulations, see ya in the playoffs for round two.

  25. SeenThisB4 says:

    @thursday: It’s cold and nasty in New Orleans right now. Drizzle, windy, cold, so what? It’s not like you’ll be playing in 72 degree, sunny weather.

  26. CDHawkFan says:

    SeenThisB4, your name if funny, because we have seen this before, a guy named Goldengatenate came on here before the 9ers game talking a lot of junk. Didn’t talk a whole lot of junk after the game through.

    BTW, God’s team? That says it all.

  27. DreadHawks says:

    @ thursday, my thoughts exactly! Washington is woeful to say the least. There was a reason we got rid of Wilson, he couldnt cover anyone and last night proved that hasn’t changed.Great teams over come adversity. We have overcome injuries to the O-line and now we need to overcome this. Always compete! Next man up!! I’m certainly liking the forecast for Monday Night, rain and snow mix. Perfect! Two great teams can slug it out IN THE ELEMENTS, not in a dome.

  28. Southendzone says:

    Not sure I agree with fining the team for these player transgressions.

    I don’t recall the Rams being fined back when Leonard Little killed someone while driving drunk. That seems just a bit worse then testing positive for controlled substances.

  29. Can someone enlighten me on some of the rules in the NFL? How can it be possible that someone like Aldon Smith can be drunk, crash into a tree ON HIS WAY TO WORK with weed in the car and the NFL does not suspend him? But yet a dirty piss test will get a player suspended? TO me this makes no dang sense and makes the NFL look really really bad.

  30. yankinta says:

    SeenThisB4,, the turnover battle is a huge part of the game, of course. Sounds like you’re already conceding…. :) come back and have a chat when you return from your trip.

    p.s, you still have to beat Panthers twice to win your division. We played the Panthers wk 1. They have the Best Front 7, hand down….good luck with that,, it’ll be 2 tough games,, to win your division.

  31. SeenThisB4 says:

    @Yankinta: I will concede that it’s tough to play in Seattle, that’s why the Saints must and shall win on Monday night. The Saints will worry about Carolina (or should I say: Carolina will worry) after the Seabirds.

  32. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m done with my ranting about Thurmond/Browner for now. That’ll change when I hear Pete address it, but I’m done with that subject for the morning.

    It is hilarious for the 49ers to say they’re back on track after beating RG3-8. I am however pissed because they’re going to hand the Rams a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.

    As for the Saints? LOL…aren’t they still trying to catch Marshawn? It’ll be a high scoring game, but they’re going o get another lesson on what the 12th Man and HFA in Seattle means.

  33. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Aldon goes to rehab and avoids suspensions so far. I don’t get this either. Dude ran into a tree at 7am at twice the legal limit. Maybe Browner should get the rehab pass?

  34. yankinta says:

    SeenThisB4, I don’t see it happening. Plus our QB is better than your QB. Even Drew Brees admitted that RW could be a much better version of himself a few months ago. You’ll agree to that fact after this season.

    So it will be Perrish Cox. 5-11 186lbs

  35. aelliott11 says:

    SeenThis, you should look up the splits on Drew Brees this year.

    HOME: 74% completion, 19 TD, 3 INT. 122.2 rating.
    AWAY: 62% completion, 9 TD, 5 INT. 89.7 rating.

    Or a different split

    INDOORS: 21 TD, 3 INT. 121.4 rating
    OUTDOORS: 7 TD, 5 INT. 84.6 rating

    Or let’s look at how he’s fared against good defenses:
    SF: 87.8 rating
    NY: 79.0 rating (loss)
    NE: 75.7 rating (loss)
    TB: 67.5 rating

    So in summary, Brees has struggled on the road, outdoors, and against top defenses.


  36. chrisj122 says:

    Yet another troll that appears for a few days here and there but after Monday’s night game you will all but disappear while drowning your sorrows with much beer.

    Gods team?
    The Hawks will show up and be ready, while your team will show up and wait for divine intervention.

  37. SeenThisB4 says:

    I guess that’s why both Houston and Tampa took you to overtime. The game is played on the field, not on ESPN. I can see the Saints practicing from my office. They’re not focusing on who is playing CB. Looks to me like they’re focusing on pulverizing somebody!

  38. SeenThisB4 says:

    Fortunately, Drew Brees is not playing a top defense this Monday night.

  39. Glossman says:

    Nice to see a Saints troll here…LOL!

    When gauging the difficulty of a matchup, I like to look at both team’s home-road splits. And if you look at the splits for Saints on the road and Seahawks at home, you’ll find that Drew Brees is a very average QB outside of the Super Dome, with an 89 rating and 289 YPG average. You also find that that the Saints only average 82 YPG rushing while on the road and the team averages only 21.2 points per game and gives up 20.2 points per game. The defensive stat isn’t bad, but it’s not even close to the 15.8 points per game that the Saints allow at home. Even worse, the Saints average a full sack per game less and have only forced 5 turnovers in all of their road games.

    Meanwhile, the Saints face a Seahawks team that forces nearly 3 turnovers per game at home and the same number of sacks, too. Big picture wise, the Seahawks only allow 14 points per game at home, and it’s easy to shy.

    For the Saints, it only gets bleaker when you consider that Seattle averages 32.7 points per game at home, where Russell Wilson has a 110 passer rating. On the ground, The Seahawks churn out 154 yards per game, which is unfortunate for the Saints, as they give up more than 5 yards per carry on the road.

    The Saints are a very average football team outside of Louisiana, especially the offense. The defense is pretty good at not allowing games to get out of hand while on the road, so that will keep you in the game.

    Lastly, we can compare a recent common opponent for both team: Seattle played the Falcons two weeks ago in Atlanta, while the Saints played them on the road last Thursday night: The Saints gutted out a one-score win while not even breaking the 20 point threshold offensively while the Seahawks throttled the Falcons 33-10.

    Now, SeenThisB4, I know the games are played on a field and not a computer screen, but 3/4 of a season worth of data does not lie. If you really think the average road team that is the Saints is going to blow out the Seahawks at home, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

    The Saints respectable defense will keep them in this game, but their offense won’t be able to score enough points to win. And I know that sounds crazy because the media hypes Drew Brees and the Saints offense as unstoppable, but the stats reveal a different story when the team is on the road.

    In the end, Seahawks will win 31-20.

  40. chrisj122 says:

    SeenpissB4 – Has god spoken to you lately?

    Just curious because after Monday night he might want to borrow your brown paper bag mask.

  41. yankinta says:

    SeenThisB4, Tampa is a very good team (without Josh Freeman). Mike Glennon learned A Lot from RW. He’s the top QB of 2013 class. He just needed a few games to get going. They’ve won 3 straight games since they played us….

    Houston was a very good team too (Top D in the NFL) but we broke them. That’s why they’re not good anymore. Just like we broke 49ers….. And I’m afraid we will break the Saints too. I hope you can survive this game because I want you to do well after this game.

  42. Glossman says:

    BTW, SeenThisB4, Niner fan talked the same smack that you’re running the last couple of times they played. They were overconfident, arrogant, and certain that the Seahawks had no chance, even on their home field. And both times, it ended real badly for them.

    You might want to show a little humility,but it probably doesn’t matter because we won’t see you around here after the Saints lose Monday night. Of course, when the Saints come to Seattle again for the NFC title game, I’m sure you’ll be back, and hopefully you will have learned your lesson.

  43. chuck_easton says:


    The league put the rule regarding fining the team in place as part of the most recent CBA. The idea is to hold the team accountable for the actions of their players.

    It is based on the number of suspensions under the PED/Abuse-of-Substances sections.

    Basicially each team gets two freebees each season. For every suspension from the 3rd on up, the team can and will be fined.

    Seattle was fined last year for those suspensions.

    This now makes three suspensions this season (Irvin, Thurmond, Browner) so the team will be writing another check this year.

  44. SeenThisB4 says:

    Yeah okay Glossman: You forgot to factor somethings in, like for example, the seabirds played Atlanta a week after playing the Bucs, the Saints played them four days after playing the 49ers, it might not make a difference to the stat keepers, but it does to the players.

    But like you said, the game is played on the field.

  45. RDPoulsbo says:

    Seattle’s weak offense in the middle stretch of the season had a lot more to do with missing 3 starting linemen, including 2 pro-bowlers than anything else. The depth there is the weakest part of the team. Seattle now is down 2 DBs, but the secondary is the Seahawks greatest strength. Even the bottom guys could start for most teams, so I’m not so worried about that.

  46. yankinta says:

    lol, Finally they get it right!! for the top 9 spots… :)

    Btw, whatever happened to the Hype for Clots and Andrew Luck?? I think I’m starting to hear the whimper right before the final breath…. It seems clear to me that Andrew Luck was just a by-product of A Future Hall of Fame WR Reggie Wayne. Plus he cannot do well under pressure. That’s not a Top 5 QB. Not top 10 Either. More like Top 15 QB,, just as I predicted before the season began.

  47. “Looks to me like they’re focusing on pulverizing somebody!”

    Hmmm, this sounds awful familiar for the Saints. I bet they are still paying players to pulverize people :)

  48. rramstad says:

    Todd, I think you meant to use the word “inauspicious”, just a hunch.

  49. SeenThisB4 says:

    At Glossman: I already said to expect a physical, smash-mouth, bone shattering game, I conceded it’s tough to play in Seattle, and I said the only way the Saints lose this game is if they lose the turnover battle. And yes, they’re focusing on this game, not Carolina, not St. Louis, not the stats; they are focusing on beating Seattle, period. Now, you may consider that “smack talk”, but I don’t. I think all that is realistic.

    See ya guys, good luck. (You’re gonna need it, LOL!)

  50. Glossman says:

    And quite frankly, the Saints are not good enough to win this game in Seattle.

    The Saints WILL lose the turnover battle. They don’t force enough of them, and their offense WILL cough it up at least twice, if not more.

    The Saints will not be able to run the ball and will have trouble stopping the run. Drew Brees will throw for 300 years and 2 TDs, but it won’t be enough.

    The Saints are a much softer team on the road, so the only thing that will be shattered is the arrogance of Saints fans like yourself.

  51. What was hilarious this year was the Saints getting beat down by Geno Smith and the Jets.

  52. Glossman says:

    WHO DAT team going home 9-3 after Monday night?

  53. Ewalters7354 says:

    SeenthisB4 I’m in New Orleans right now and yes it may be cold,windy and drizzling,but are the Saints practicing in it?Tell me yes so I can call you a damn lie!Gonna be a blowout and I would personally like to meet up with you somewhere and watch the game.How does that sound?Just wanna see the reaction on your face once the Hawks smash the Aints!

  54. Macabrevity says:

    Funny when some fans are so convinced they know their team is better and will win. Fact of the matter is, parity is the norm in the NFL and even beating a winless team is nothing to cough at. Win or lose, the NFL season is grueling and we have no idea what it takes to maintain that level of focus throughout. The Saints can certainly make a statement with a win in Seattle, but doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll be the statement that fans like SeenThis are claiming. Likewise, our Hawk’s could make a statement about what distractions can do to you with a loss.

    SeeenThis, you should check out trends like ‘bounceback’ which influence gamblers solely on the idea that teams tend to follow a better than normal performance with an underwhelming outing the next week and vice versa. Better team, schmetter team…. before FA it was truly a case of the best team running the tables, but these days you have teams that get hot at the right time and roll through the playoffs (see NYG and Bal recently) not the best on paper, but played the best ball at the right time. The impressive thing about the Hawk’s this year is how they’re bringing it every week, and even when they come out flat, they fight and scratch and refuse to accept defeat. I don’t care what a team looks like on paper, I love exactly this aspect of these Seahawks.

  55. Glossman says:

    Another interesting tidbit: I had no idea how much of a choker the Saints kicker is! If things go well for them, and it’s close at the end, their 76% kicker sure can’t give Saints fan much confidence on the road!

  56. To the Troll:
    Every Seahawks game is a “a physical, smash-mouth, bone shattering game” so nothing new here

  57. Southendzone says:

    Hey can’t we just have some friendly cross-country pre-game fun with the New Orleans Fan?

    How about a bet, if the Saints win we will send you some fine coffee and craft beer. if the Hawks win you can send us some sort of New Orleans specialty… like a homeless person or a corrupt cop.


  58. yankinta says:

    Fun fact of the day: The Seahawks are 1st in the NFC in points scored. Ahead of the Saints.

  59. BLoc – it’s from ESPN based on the reports from them and the NFL yesterday – I will believe it when it is announced by the seahawks

  60. I really appreciate the 49ers news that the team is back on track after beating a bottom feeder who is what 3-8? lmao

    How do you let Vernon Davis run around uncovered?

    And, I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen so many blown coverages and wide open receivers in one game. How many times did pass rushers get into the backfield virtually untouched? RGIII took a brutal pounding.

    RGIII is not an NFL caliber QB from the pocket…and he’s handicapped as a running QB…only in his 2nd year, so inexperienced…plus serious lack of leadership skills…making excuses for losses…”they have our playbook”, etc…

    So…great…let the 49ers think they’re back on track…it’s going to be fun to derail their asses in front of their home crowd in a couple of weeks.

  61. Hell yes Audible!

  62. Don’t blame Pete they say lol!!! The same Seahawk fan saying don’t blame Pete or we going to blow Saints out the water. When we lose, the same fans is going to want Pete gone and blame him for everything. We never had bad things going with Seahawks players when Mike Holmgren and Knox were coaching. Go Hawks

  63. yankinta says:

    Audible,, Yup Yup…. To Revisit the Young QB Conversation…. As of today,this is what it looks like for me.

    1) Russell Wilson (not even a competition)
    2) Nick Foles
    3) Cam Newton
    4) Andrew Luck
    5) Colin Kaepernick
    6) RGIII

  64. FleaFlicker says:

    Browner….man, that guy cannot get out of his own way. Same goes for Thurmond. True, those two have let everybody down in a huge way. But in that invincible “my number won’t come up” mindset of a 20-something, they’ve really screwed themselves, especially Browner.

    Bottom line: you can’t protect people from themselves. Human beings are bound to fail some way. NFL players are no different. Every long weekend when I was in the Army, the battalion commander would gather all the troopers on Friday afternoon and talk about responsibility, safe “relations”, and not drinking/driving. And like clock work, somebody would be in the CO’s office the next week losing his stripes and his career prospects.

  65. grizindabox24 says:

    corn, didn’t the Hawks have poster boys like K. Robinson and J. Stevens under Holmgren?

  66. “So, if by some miracle your team wins on Monday night, congratulations, see ya in the playoffs for round two.”

    Sure…see you in the playoffs…in SEATTLE. A Saints loss on Monday night will seriously damage their chances of reaching the SB. No doubt the Saints will have a hefty bounty on Wilson, Lynch, and Harvin…Problem is…you gotta catch Wilson and Harvin first… :-)

    And, Lynch doesn’t need a financial incentive to crush bones…because he has the heart of a beast.

    The Saints couldn’t beat our lowly 7-9 playoff team in playoffs in Seattle. Wasn’t Brees the QB then? Hmmm…what makes you think they stand a chance in hell of beating this team?

  67. ChrisHolmes says:

    I sure hope this doesn’t result in a loss of draft picks… The FO has to get this under control.

    Here’s hoping the young bucks can step it up. That’s why we draft ‘em.

    My wife’s take: you can never count out a team with Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch on it.

  68. jchawks08 says:

    Corn, give it up buddy. Your ‘Blame Pete’ mantra didn’t convince anyone on the last thread either.

    Southendzone, your bet proposal had me hooked right up until the end and then a giant LOL!

    Why are we responding to the NO troll? He/she obviously has no clue what this Hawks team is all about. Not worthy of responding to.

  69. Carlsonkid says:

    Love seeing the Saints troll on here today ; gives us an excuse to argue with him rather than amongst ourselves like usual : )

    The Cox signing makes no sense to me unless they’re thinking of using him at nickelback ala Thurmond before Browner’s injury . 5’11” 189 lbs , didn’t exactly light it up with either SF or Denver previously .. for gawd’s sakes , just get Winfield back in here ASAP so he gets a good week of practice in before MNF & drive on !

  70. grizindabox24 says:

    Carlson, Cox is capable of playing the slot in nickel. Doubt you would ever see the Hawks use him in any other role.

  71. Cause I would rather talk to a NO troll than talk about Indy all week

  72. RDPoulsbo says:

    Think of it as Cox is this year’s Etric Pruitt. Signed late in the season due to an off field incident. You hope he never plays, but somebody is better than nobody.

  73. Griz – add Ken Hamlin to the list!!

  74. jchawks08 says:

    Carlsonkid, that is true. New blood on the blog! I just wish he/she had a clue is all. From he/she: “Fortunately, Drew Brees is not playing a top defense this Monday night.”

    Count me as not being aboard the Winfield wagon. He got beat out in training camp, took his ball and went home. Sure I’m sure he’s in decent shape, but Seahawks starting nickelback shape? Highly doubtful. Personally, I like what I’m hearing about Shead. Obviously Carroll and team will make the right decisions. That, there should be no doubt.

  75. Pruitt was actually the 4th string FS in 2005. Marquand’s injury is why the Seahawks lost that SB, not Leavy or Hasselbeck’s late game INT. The depth chart was:

    1). Hamlin
    2). Manuel
    3). John Howell (got hurt near end of season)
    4). Pruitt – the guy generated so many bad angle penalties on special teams, it wasn’t a good sign at FS. I don’t understand why they didn’t put Babineaux in there.

  76. grizindabox24 says:

    jchawk, Do you notice something in common with all the names being floated as possible signings by the Hawks? They are all guys that have played in the slot. You know the reason? The Hawks really have no other CB to fill that spot. Shead is effeminately not a guy that can fill that spot.

    I have a bad feeling that you will see slot receivers have quite a bit of success against the Hawks…think Detroit game from last season.

  77. grizindabox24 says:

    effeminately should be definitely in last post

  78. yankinta says:

    Of course not xcman…. We don’t talk about overrated Teams (Colts) and Overrated Players (Andrew Luck), after they’ve been Exposed. Now the whole world cannot help but admit to the truth. The defenders of those overrated team/player have gone Quiet. Silence.

    But then there were those of us that saw this coming even before the season even began. :)

  79. jchawks08 says:

    Has anyone on this blog ever seen Shead play a down of football ever? Unless he’s played in the preseason, or played against UW at any point in his football career, I have not.
    Do we know he can’t play in the slot? Somebody learn me, please.

  80. jchawks08 says:

    I’m relatively convinced that we can more than adequately get by with the guys we already have on the roster. Of course, we need backfill for the clucks that got themselves suspended.

  81. As I recall, Parish Cox was constantly getting picked on by opposing QB’s when he was in SF. He was awful while there so why are we signing him?

  82. grizindabox24 says:

    jc, Shead is probably a big reason why BB would not be back next season. Athletic guy at 6′-2″ 220lbs. He played mostly safety in college but Hawks are working with him to play corner. Not the slot CB type of player.

    Pilot, Hawks are looking for help in the slot, and there are not a lot of those type of guys out there. When you see a list of Winfield, Cox, and Trufant as the best options available.

  83. Count me in as someone who thinks signing Perrish Cox is a waste of time. Best option is Winfield. After that I would still rather roll with Deshead or Trufant or just give Maragos a couple of extra snaps.

  84. grizindabox24 says:

    Winfield is best option. Shead is more a big corner, and actually took reps at FS, not a slot guy. Last thing I want is to see more Trufant, he was terrible last year. And if you said Maragos, I have to highly question your football IQ, as he is not an option.

  85. RDPoulsbo says:

    There really isn’t much out there for nickel CB at this point in the season. Winfield has been sitting on the couch for 3 months and wants to stay there, that doesn’t make him a good option even if he did want to come back. Yes it sucks, but that’s what they have to work with.

    Here’s Eric’s profile on Shead during training camp. Doesn’t sound like a great fit at nickel CB since he was practicing mostly at FS, but he’s been in the system throughout the year and has had work at CB. Hopefully that helps. He’d be higher in the depth charts than Cox would be anyway:

  86. grizindabox24 says:

    I am sure the Hawks have a comfort level with Maxwell in the slot, he seemed to get quite a few reps there, but they are looking for depth behind him. That is why you are seeing the names Winfield, Cox, and Trufant. The Hawks depth in the slot is WT3 and Maxwell. They must find someone for the next 4 games in case Maxwell goes down.

  87. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think Kam playing nickel with Jeron Johnson in as FS then bring in Maxwell as a dime situations is probably the best solution at this point.

  88. grizindabox24 says:

    RD, if the Hawks want to sit in Zone all game, that might be what they do. Hawks playing zone is definitely not a strength.

  89. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I think the problem with Winfield is that he wants be active during the playoffs. With Thurmond coming off suspension Winfield is not a lock to be active during games. Lane and Maxwell are our top special teams guys so they are locks. The Hawks cannot make him that promise and he doesn’t like the sound of that.. This is why probably Perrish Cox and Snead will be the guys added today.

  90. Glad to hear your take on Browner, Todd. Was he going to come back this year anyways with the injury? I think there was a very good chance he wasn’t going to be back in 2014 regardless. Sei la vie.

    I don’t really understand why the Hawks wouldn’t have Thurmond wait to drop the appeal until after the Saints game? I would think he’s more important versus the Saints than against the other 4 teams? Maybe they want one regular season game for him to acclimate himself before the playoffs? Would the NFL push the appeal hearing to this week regardless?

  91. Dukeshire says:

    RDPoulsbo – And sitting Thomas?

  92. grizindabox24 says:

    Duke, I believe he was thinking Sherm, Maxwell, Lane, Kam, ET and Johnson when the Hawks do dime

  93. RDPoulsbo says:

    griz, true, but their options are limited. Point is Kam does cover slot receivers on a regular basis and the dropoff at SS to use Johnson isn’t nearly as far as it is with the current nickel CB situation.

    There are other ways to handle this schemewise though like have Sherman shadow Graham all day even when he lines up in the slot, leaving Lane and Maxwell on the outside. Leave Sherman on an island and the rest of the secondary favoring the other side of the field. The goal is to make Brees find one of his secondary receivers while bringing the pass rush. They aren’t going to face many dime situations after NO, so it won’t be as pressing of an issue after Monday.

  94. rramstad says:

    The sudden appearance of a Saints troll means we’re definitely in their heads. They were embarrassed the last time they came in here talking smack about our 7-9 team that didn’t even deserve to be in the playoffs… We’ll embarrass them again. This Seahawks team is deeper and stronger than that one, with more weapons and more talent. This Saints team has more weaknesses than that one did, too.

    I don’t expect a blowout mostly because we’ll take the foot off the gas late. 31-20 Seahawks with the Saints scoring a touchdown midway through the 4th to make the score more respectable.

  95. RDPoulsbo says:

    I should have mentioned it, but yes, keep playing Thomas as deep safety and bring help where it’s needed. I just feel Kam is better at covering nickel than anyone else they have. Not ideal, but Thurmond getting suspended isn’t ideal.

  96. grizindabox24 says:

    RD, IMO the Hawks still need another corner that plays the slot just in case because they have no one behind Maxwell.

  97. rramstad says:

    RD, I’d strongly consider having Kam line up against Graham all game long, and have ET play a single high safety. Bring in additional DB as necessary for nickle and dime but play aggressive man coverage. Brees is experienced enough to be able to find the holes in zone. We need to play man coverage and get an effective rush with four.

  98. RDPoulsbo says:

    griz, then Simon better get healthy and up to speed in a hurry. Todd did mention he’s expected to practice tomorrow. This week should be all about weathering the storm. If they can get by this week, they’ll have time to work with their options. SF is activating Crabs, but they still won’t have the depth to take advantage of Seattle’s weakened secondary.

  99. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Last night I actually watched the Replay of the Hawks Whiners game from last December (One of my favorite game sof alltime).
    That was the game where we had both Thurmond and Browner out.. Lane was the starter and Maxwell came in as the Nickle with Lane moving inside to cover th slot. So if anything we will see Lane as the slot guy with Cox possibly backing him up, and Maxwell on the outside.

  100. grizindabox24 says:

    RD, do you really think the Hawks would be looking at guys that have not played a down of football this season if they believed a guy on the roster was the answer? It seems to me that they do not see Shead or Simon as the answer and are hesitant with Lane inside. The Hawks are looking to weather the storm, trying to find a guy with some experience in the slot.

  101. I think Mike NJ has the right idea. These other guys are needed as backups to that plan.

  102. In the game against the Falcons it appeared that Chancelor went one-on-one with Gonzalez for much of the game and nearly shut him out. A different tack than they have normally taken with TEs. I wonder if we’ll be seeing the same thing on Monday with Graham?

  103. RDPoulsbo says:

    I think the common theme here is there isn’t a good solution out there. Every option they have has a flaw, but the blame for that needs to be on Thurmond. They wouldn’t be in their current situation if he didn’t get himself suspended in the first place. Any player they pick up today will not have played with the rest of the secondary, so expecting anyone to come in with a week of practice isn’t going to play very well. So the goal should be to get through the week with what they have now while getting the rest of the options up to speed for the playoffs.

  104. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Despite losing a couple knuckleheads, ( with one coming back before the playoffs) we still have the best secondary in the NFL, so what’s the big darn deal! Moving forward can anyone tell me how in the world is the Saints going to slow down the the greatest three headed offensive Monster, (Wilson, Lynch, Harvin) in the NFL?

  105. grizindabox24 says:

    Seattle Seahawks ‏@Seahawks 56s
    Cornerback Perrish Cox has been signed to the club’s 53-man active roster.

  106. Dukeshire says:

    RDPoulsbo – Kam covers TEs when they split out but that’s not quite the same thing as covering slot receivers. When denoting a “slot receiver” it’s implied that one is referring to WRs. Kam rarely covers WRs with the exception of mismatches created by the offense. That said, the Saints have bigger receivers that Kam could potentially match up with. But to be clear, he won’t ever be covering guys like Wekler or Amendola, and the like.

    Sherman will not be handling Graham, regularly. My guess is that without any personnel additions, Lane will take RCB, Shem stays at LCB, Maxwell in nickel, Kam posts up on Graham when he splits from the formation. I just don’t see Seattle reaching for anything too exotic or a real change from their scheme.

  107. That’s what I think Georgia. I expect a game that starts out tough but as it goes along the Seahawks will just start to pull farther and farther away and by the end they’ll be dominating the Saints and Drew Brees will be running for his life.

  108. Southendzone says:

    If the Hawks plan to keep playing a lot of man coverage, it would stand to reason they will rotate Sherman, like he did in the SF game on Boldin. Otherwise NO can match up their best receiver against the CB of their choice.

    Last couple games I’ve watched, Colston is pretty darn good at getting open, it’s going to take a monster effort to shut that guy down considering the other weapons they have.

  109. yankinta says:

    LOL,, cracks me up!!

    btw, guess whom I’m picking for this game. Not the overrated team,, upset alert!! lol.

  110. MoSeahawk12 says:

    No Colts zone.

  111. Seahawks officially sign CB Cox.

  112. grizindabox24 says:

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 7m
    #Seahawks are still talking with Antoine Winfield, & sounds like he’s willing to un-retire to join them at some point. May not be immediate

  113. Carlsonkid says:

    We’re fine with Maxwell starting and Lane playing nickel as long as no one gets injured before Thurmond comes back . In that case , I’d be worried . So what we’re talking about here really is an issue of depth ..

  114. grizindabox24 says:

    Carlson, yes, depth

  115. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I sure hope we sign Winfield! If for anything else leadership.

  116. yankinta says:

    Completely agreed with GeorgiaHawk!! This was my first post today….

    “Yup Yup, I’m not worried at all. We all knew we weren’t gonna resign Browner anyway. I would have liked to have him in the playoff but I would much rather have Walter Thurmond in the playoff than Browner.

    I hope Antoine Winfield passes the physical/drug tests… lol he’s one of my fav free agent pickups. This dude is a real deal (over 100 tackles as a CB last season),, and Walter Thurmond beat him for a spot in the training camp. That should speak for how GOOD Walter Thurmond is (for those that say we should not try to sign him),, smh”

    Read more here:

  117. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yank, you need to start reading the blog better before you start posting links and comments. You have a habit of posting some of the same stuff that gets posted on the weekend.

  118. Dukeshire says:

    Signing a retired player who may or may not be anywhere even close to resembling football shape is unappealing to me. In addition, he did not play particularly well in preseason.

  119. yankinta says:

    Oh, really?? sorry….

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