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Morning Links: The practice squad goes round and round

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Nov. 14, 2013 at 6:15 am with 73 Comments »
November 14, 2013 1:09 am

Good morning.

Seahawks wide receiver Bryan Walters knows the travails of being on the practice squad. / AP photo
Seahawks wide receiver Bryan Walters knows the travails of being on the practice squad. / AP photo

Bryan Walters was cut Saturday while at the team hotel in Atlanta. He had two options: he could watch the game from the stands or the Seahawks would fly him home.

He flew back. He had to wait to find out if he cleared waivers or would be playing in any one of 31 other cities when the week began. He was back in the Seahawks lockerroom Wednesday and out to practice after not being claimed and being re-signed to the practice squad.

This is the life of the fringe players in the NFL, who are cut, re-signed, cut and re-signed. The lucky ones get to stay in what is essentially a rotation with the same team. It should also be noted that if you practice once in a week, you get paid for the full week.

I wrote about these guys for today’s paper.

Our Dave Boling wrote about the return of the Seahawks’ two starting tackles, Russell Okung and Breno Giacomini. Giacomini said Wednesday that things were easier during rehab since he had his pal Okung around to do work with. Of course, Giacomini wishes Okung was never hurt in the first place.

Links:

> The Everett Herald writes about the Seahawks using a situational approach with offensive linemen.

> Seahawks.com writes about the Legion of Boom dipping into its depth.

> Vikings DE Jared Allen had some nice things to say about Percy Harvin.

> Russell Wilson is No. 3 in ESPN’s MVP Watch.

> Brian Billick’s “toxic differential” favors the Seahawks.

> It looks like Christian Ponder will start at quarterback for the Vikings on Sunday.

> The AP writes about all the players returning for the Seahawks.

> ESPN says a night in jail changed things for Arizona corner Tyrann Mathieu.

> Sports Illustrated writes that Carolina head coach Ron Rivera has come into his own.

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  1. yankinta says:

    Interesting to see how many people are falling off of the Colts Band Wagon…. makes me smile… :)

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

  2. That was an outstanding piece on Sherman. A coach on the field.

  3. wazzulander says:

    From the previous post – I just loved this Carrol quote:

    “but it’s a lot of guys returning in one week’s time and you can feel it in the locker room, you can feel it on the practice field, these guys are pumped up to get going again. We’re in a good spot and hopefully we can take full advantage of that, and also keep those guys with their heads in the ball game like they like too. It’s a pretty exciting time.”

    9-1 and about to finally hit our stride!

  4. Palerydr says:

    Depth is 1 of many keys to a winning NFL team and we have it. When we get to the SB this year we won’t have to worry about our 3rd string safety blowing a read and allowing a HB TD pass cuz he will be prepared and ready to make a play. Disagree a bit there Wazzulander we’ve been striding since day one.

  5. I posted this last night but here it is again.

    This has PC mic’d up: at times it is pretty funny!

    http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Seahawks-Saturday-Night—MICd-Up/d769821e-3628-4d6a-9c6d-e27967b3c93e

  6. Thanks Yank and xcman – both EXCELLENT pieces. Two of the best I’ve seen!

  7. surelyyoujest says:

    Indy will be just fine. They don’t quite have all the pieces yet, and losing Reggie was a big loss…..but they’re a quality team. They beat us after all, and they are the only team who has.

    Any given Sunday…..

    I’d like to see us take care of business early against the Vikes, rather than letting them hang around like we seem to do at times against weaker Teams.

  8. banosser says:

    Anyone else hear Jimmy Johnson mention multiple times at the half in the Atlanta game how the Falcons are injured and the Hawks are healthy??? S M H …..

  9. montanamike2 says:

    Having the Vikes at home has me drooling that all those players coming back before a bye has me super stoked!

  10. yankinta says:

    banosser,,, lol. keep the peace and ignore the idiots…. I mean ignore the noise…. :)

  11. HawkFromDay1 says:

    That’s funny banosser!

    Maybe he meant that one team PLAYED like it was injured, and the other didn’t.

    But honestly – the Falcons are banged up. Julio Jones and Sean Weatherspoon are both out. Arguably their best player on both sides of the ball… that stinks…

  12. yankinta says:

    HawkFromDay1,, Even before Julio Jones got banged up on the last play against the Pats at home,, Falcons were already 1-3. They were never going to make the playoff this year,, as I predicted….

  13. yankinta says:

    surelyyoujest,, you seem to be new here,, :) You think Colts are a quality team. I tend to disagree. :)

  14. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Totally with you Surelyyoujest.

    Getting a lead against Minnesota will be vital to getting AP out of the offense as much as possible.

    He’s gonna get his yards – he always does. Just gotta make sure they don’t matter – happy to have him run between the 20’s all day.

  15. Rockyseahawk says:

    I caught that too Banosser, he kept saying how the Seahawks were totally healthy. Uh, no……..

  16. banosser says:

    HFD1… Yes.. the Falcons are certainly banged up and it has affected their year… but the ‘healthy’ team was missing both starting OTs & C (2 of which are All Pros), starting WR, another starting slot receiver (Harvin) and starting CB Browner who went out with 3 qtrs left to play… that’s 6 starters out of 22.. that’s what 27%?

    Anyway.. yes, try not to listen to the media idiots.. it just kills me that they get paid to talk and much of what they say is total garbage…

  17. MoSeahawk12 says:

    surelyyoujest, yanker is the blog’s resident Colts expert, stalker and crazed Luck follower. You will read more about the Colts and Luck right here than you will anywhere else. It’s the best source for all things Colts. You will get your daily dose of Colts, often several times a day. It doesn’t get any better. Enjoy the ride.

    With the Vikings game only three days away, you’ll still have plenty of time to learn about the Colts. Many of us keep a notepad right by the computer so we can take detailed notes and hope that one day, we too have the yanks knowledge and insight. Praise all knowing yank!!

  18. Yank could certainly teach a PhD level course on self-promotion…no doubt about that.

  19. yankinta says:

    surelyyoujest,, lol,, don’t listen to them,, they just hate me cuz I’m right like 95% of the time. :)

  20. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Now that’s funny

  21. Seahawks Insider http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks
    “All Colts, All the Time”

  22. MoSeahawk12 says:

    And the other 5% everyone else is wrong so he’s right 100% of the time. Valuable notes today for sure.

  23. This is such a HUGE game Sunday! I’m a little concerned with our tackles (and Percy) shaking off the rust before MNF vs New Orleans. Ideally they have the chance to play enough to get their timing down then really be ready after another 2 weeks of preparation. Would love to see the offense continue to improve, Percy get involved for 10-15 plays and the defense and special teams dominate. The 12th man will be ready. Everything is really lining up for a great stretch run in December.

  24. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, don’t worry,, The Hype for the overrated Andrew Luck and the Colts are dying down a lot Faster than I thought…. it will take its final breath with a whimper soon.

    We won’t have to talk about the overrated again,, since RW will soon be recognized as the Best QB of 2012 QB Class and the Best QB to come into the NFL the past 10 years,, hands down… :)

  25. dirtbiker_joey says:

    Richard Sherman, sneaky sneaky. I love it!

  26. 50% of the time he is right 100% of the time. How great is that Sherman vid? So many guys to root for . A special time to be a hawk fan. Funny how Sherman down plays his athleticism. Dare I say that he is my favorite player. Sorry Sherm his name is Russell last name Wilson.

  27. Is it possible to rotate the picture on the blog top? Great to see Russell there but others deserve to be recognized. Sherm Tate Beast Cam Earl Carroll Schneider 12 man. Just to name a few.

  28. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Let’s hope Ponder tests Sherman this week. With Browner out I’m sure they’ll try the other side, but with Ponders weak arm, I think our D backs will come away with a couple of picks including one pick six for Sherman.

  29. For a second, I thought you were going to say Andrew Luck on the picture on the blog top.

  30. Dukeshire says:

    Different day, same nonsense. Nearly every post gets hijacked into a discussion about the Colts. No one, and I mean no one, gives the Colts more attention than you-know-who.

  31. yankinta says:

    lol Dukeshire,, read my post at 9:49 AM…. cheers… :)

  32. Things I know are true:

    #1 Yankinta= 100% sociopath
    #2 The Seahawks are 9-1 and I couldn’t be happier
    #3 My wife says I am never 95% right about anything

  33. Maybe this is common knowledge, but I’ve wondered how well these fringe guys get paid when they’re bouncing around from the PS to the roster to being cut. When they’re “called up to the majors”, do they get a one-year contract at the league minimum?

  34. FOr those that insist I hate Earl Thomas because Im frustrated with his sloppy and poor technique when tackling;

    Dude has 70 Tackles in 10 games as a FS on a 9-1 team with a great passing defense. The majority of the time when a FS has that many tackles, his team sucks and the pass D really sucks. Thomas’ high tackle numbers have nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the fact that no player in the league covers as much ground as Thomas.

    He also has 4 picks, 2 forced fumbles and recoveries, and 7 passes defensed.

    I sincerely hope he continues at this pace the rest of the year.

    Sherm gets my vote for DPY, because he’s only had a couple rough games to ET’s 3 bad games; he’s shutting down his half of the field, he’s shown he can cover his man in the slot as well now, and he’s just so consistent.

    This is one that will go down to the wire.

  35. How restrictive is the salary paid to the players? What limits are imposed by the NFL? Could a player be a businessman and receive income from that? I’m thinking along the lines of a player being an “intern” at a company run by the owner or his friends? Could he be listed as an assistant coach, and get paid more for that? Any limit on doing commercials for a company that is actually an attempt to pay him more? What about a promise to “take care of him ” after his playing days are done?

  36. That Sherman piece was on NBCs Turning Point this week.
    For as much as Yank hates ESPN & Luck ~ He sure seems infatuated with them..

  37. Dukeshire says:

    Yep, you were still discussing the Colts.

  38. Screensmoke says:

    Sttbm- u make sone good points!ET needs to work on a few things but he is a fantastic footbsll player and we certainly notice if he wasn’t out there. He would be hard to replace.

  39. yankinta says:

    Things I know are true: :)

    1) I still got love for DFloydd.

    2) mocarob is misinformed. I don’t hate either. I hate when people talk down about RW and talk up about Overrate players and teams,, when I can clearly see who’s Hugely Overrated…

    3) I love the Seahawks and RW is the BEST QB from 2012 class and the best QB to come into NFL in the past 10+ years….

  40. I hope everyone keeps talking about A. Luck. Just keep givin Mr Wilson more reason to work hard.

  41. dirtbiker_joey says:

    ET is flawed, but then so is everybody. He takes risks and occasionally gets burned. But his athleticism, instincts, and football intelligence (is that even a thing?) allow him to take those risks and come up successful more often than not. Is he the “best” FS in the league? I don’t know, that’s pretty subjective. He is a perfect fit for this system, though, and a guy they can build around for a decade.

    I’ve said it before, but here goes again. If the Seahawks lock up Wilson and Thomas, they’ll be a contender for the next ten years (assuming JC/PS stay as well). All the other parts are interchangeable. This staff has shown a knack for finding diamonds in the rough and putting them in spots to be successful based on their unique talents and abilities.

    After Thomas and Wilson, I’d want Sherman. But, he’s not the key that these other two are.

  42. Screensmoke says:

    Things I know are true::-(
    1)yank has blow up doll of Andrew luck

    2)it’s an obvious love/hate relationship

    3)just recently purchased Jim ursay doll as
    Well!

  43. Rockyseahawk says:

    Usually can’t stand Brian Billick but I thought that Toxic Differential chart was really interesting. Nobody is even close to the Seahawks.

  44. yankinta says:

    Rockyseahawk,, I agree!!. I thought that was very interesting….definitely a good read.

  45. Suppose PA bought many chicken growing farms. Then suppose PA had JS renegotiate the contracts of the several players whose contracts are coming due so that they are paid in a portion of the chickens being raised in those chicken farms (players’ bonuses), and PA pays the cost of the chicken-raiser salaries (since PA still owns the majority of the chickens) and the chicken feed used to raise those chickens (players’ salaries). When the chickens are marketed to the Tyson Foods packing houses the players make what they make (and are given opportunity to buy the same portion of the replacement chickens, which comes out of that profit), but the salaries paid the players and counted against the cap should only be the cost of the chicken feed and the pro-rated bonus. Like that PHXHawk?

  46. MoSeahawk12 says:

    The good news is that they won’t have to modify Wilson’s contract until after next season, based on new CBA. Earl should be next and hopefully Sherman as well. Those two are eligible for their second contract.
    They have some work to do, but they can adjust, reduce and remove current player salaries such as Rice, and Big Red. That should give them a good start and hopefully find the dollars to keep Thurmond as well.

  47. Interesting comments on Richardson trade:

    Indianapolis Colts (6-3) at Tennessee Titans (4-5)
    They should win the AFC South almost by default, but it’s time to figure out if these Colts are the team that beat San Francisco, Seattle and Denver, or the team that lost to Miami, San Diego and St. Louis. Being good enough to beat anyone in the league, but inconsistent enough to lose to anyone in the league is a maddening way to go through a season. I know this much: The Colts haven’t gotten what they paid for in the Trent Richardson trade. The ex-Browns running back hasn’t topped 60 yards rushing in any of the seven games in which he has worn the horseshoe, and his 2.8 yard per carry average is embarrassingly low. Cleveland can’t possibly be this shrewd, can it?

  48. dirtbiker_joey says:

    Cutting Rice – which, most of us I’m sure think will happen – frees up $8.5M next year and $9M the following. The problem is Tate is UFA and Baldwin is RFA for 2014. Which means the only receivers signed for next year are Harvin and Kearse. I would think they’d like to sign at least one of those guys (Tate/Baldwin), and Tate will not come cheap. So, much of the Rice money will be plowed back into WR.

    JS/PC keep saying they have a long term plan, and they keep gradually revealing it. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  49. TallyHawk says:

    I’m curious about the timing of the o line rotation. Why did it take so long to do something about it? Did they think it would/was getting better with each game? Was Cable telling Pete it’ll get better I promise? Did Pete finally have to say it’s not working and Russell is about to get killed change it up? I just don’t understand how bailey could go 35 snaps at 3 different positions against Atlanta but they couldn’t have put him in any earlier.

  50. HawkFromDay1 says:

    The O-line rotation thing is pretty unusual (as far as I know).

    I have always believed that consistency on the O-line breeds success, but this rotation thing seems to be working. Something of a stroke of genius in my opinion and sort of blows my mind. (For anyone listening – THAT is how to admit you might be wrong about something)

    Pete is just so good at breaking the rules – he just doesn’t have hard-and-fast policies about stuff. Such a good model.

  51. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Pete is a very impressive coach and leader. When you look at all the injuries, just on the O-line alone and the fact that two rookies have had to start over half the season at both tackle spots and yet these guys have jumped out front to 9-1. It gives so much credibility to his vision and long term plans for success. It’s really incredible watching this team grow in just a few years into a talented, often dominating force that has an excellent path to achieve more than any other Seahawks team before it. Very few teams could survive losing so many O line starters, let alone only lose one game.

  52. Long heard that DE/DTs have to get a feel for the blocker they’re facing. It takes a few plays for the DE to figure out how to best attack the OLer across from them, what the blocker does to counter their moves and where their weaknesses are, when they get unbalanced, etc. Then the DT/DE set the OLers up with plays that get the OLer to expect certain moves. The DE/DT makes his first move, the OLer commits themselves as expected, and then the DE/DT does their 2nd move to get past them. That set-up doesn’t work with Walter Jones types who don’t have typical weaknesses and aren’t susceptible to 2nd moves. Set-ups also don’t work if you rotate out the DE/DT when they’re ready to make their move, or now it seems if you rotate the OLer…

  53. klm…that’s what I was getting at. There must be rules in place, but what are they. And anything devised could be counter-acted. What if PA hires RW’s wife at $25 million a year for one of his projects? What prevents the Falcon’s owner from having his players make commercials for Home Depot?

  54. Well, the Irsays paid P.Manning’s salary in meat one of those years before he got injured…

  55. Also interesting stuff on just where players call home has a lot to do with their take-home. Last time I worked in Washington I don’t remember any state income tax(?) http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/09/05/tax-decisions-by-nfl-players-can-save-a-fortune/

  56. montanamike2 says:

    Wow has the tone in here ever changed. Sea Hawks fans complain like the sky is falling even when were winning, myself included. We’re the only ones that get mad about the way in which we won.

  57. What time is the live game chat for the Colts game tonight?

  58. rramstad says:

    There is no state income tax in Washington state. It effectively means that every NFL player that lives here, and doesn’t spend a lot of money on things in the state (sales tax) is getting a 10% raise give or take over playing in states with an income tax.

  59. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Thought it started at 7:30am this morning based on the first comment pabuwal. We really never get out of the live chat do we? lol

  60. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – Can we get Todd to replace Wilson with Luck on the banner?

  61. SandpointHawk says:

    Just refuse to reply to any comment concerning the Colts or Andrew Luck. It’s all very simple…just pass on by, this is after all a Seahawks blog…

  62. dirtbiker_joey says:

    Don’t they pay income taxes for the state they play in? I have a colleague who lives in Vancouver and works in Portland. He tells me that he pays Oregon income taxes, but also tracks the days he works from home because he does not have to pay Oregon income taxes for those days. Of course, I spend 8-10 days in our Portland office each year, and never file Oregon income taxes. Not sure how that all works.

  63. I don’t know why any of you even acknowledge one of his posts.

  64. emperorzook says:

    Since I’m not an English major could somebody decipher this

    “It’s exciting for our team to get some guys back,” offensive line

    coach Tom Cable said. “And to start working them into the mix. They have some catching up to do … there’s a whole process you have to (go through) this week as we put in the game plan and kind of adapt them back into the work load.”

    It looks like the monkey that worked at the TNT in the 70s is still employed as an editor

  65. grizindabox24 says:

    Actually cutting Rice saves $7.3 million on the cap, but PH’s cap hit increases $8.5 million.

  66. Bobby K, I second that emotion.

  67. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BobbyK, Would you still take Luck over Wilson like you posted many, many, many times over last year?
    Just curious. Lol.

    BTW, I didn’t then and I don’t now.

  68. ChrisHolmes says:

    “I don’t know why any of you even acknowledge one of his posts.”

    I keep telling you guys… use your ignore powers. You all have them.

    As for who would pick who – it’s a pointless question. We have our guy. And he’s great. He’s ours. We should feel blessed and happy to have Wilson. Most of us have been waiting our entire lives to experience a franchise QB for this team.

    Now we just have to stop Peterson.

  69. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Actually ChrisHolmes yankinta is more tolerable imo then the few regular posters last year that were bashing Wilson over and over again because their boy Flynn wasn’t playing.

    So who was calling for the ignore powers last year with some regulars that wanted Flynn despite him getting manhandled in the pre season by Wilson?

  70. Yes, the Hawks will only save 7.3 mil mil against the cap if they cut Rice prior to June 1st, which I fully expect. Most of that will be gone if you resign Tate and Baldwin accepts his RFA tender.

    The Hawks have approx. 124 mil committed to the 2014 cap right now. I expect the cap to be approx. 128 mil. The Hawks should have 3-4 mil to roll over to the 2014 cap. That puts their cap number at 131-132 mil. Like I said, resigning Tate and Baldwin and cutting Rice likely keeps the cap figure about the same. I expect either Clemons or Avril to get cut. That’s 7.5 or 7 mil in savings respectively. Red and/or Mebane could possibly be asked to restructure. They could save 2.4 mil I believe if they cut Harvin, though I’m not advocating it. I’m not necessarily advocating cutting anyone besides Rice and either Clemons or Avril. I’d rather keep Bennett than Red, unless someone out there offers Bennett a ridiculous contract.

    The cap is extremely complicated and I’m sure the Hawks have a much more detailed knowledge of it than anyone here. Many things come into play. Sherm and ET could both demand to restructure after this year. Both are underpaid, but Sherm is especially so. You have to pay RW a boat load after 2014.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap-hit/2014/

    rramstad, I don’t know where you got that 10% state income tax figure from. California and Hawaii are the only states with income tax rates of 10% or more and they are for incomes of 250K or more and 175K and more respectively. I know that most players fit into that category, but PS players don’t. And only 3 of the 32 teams are in California or Hawaii. Also this is before you factor in deductions. We all know wealthy people can afford to hire someone to find every possible deduction.

    http://taxfoundation.org/article_ns/state-individual-income-tax-rates-2000-2013

    The NFL would not allow an owner to pay players to work on their chicken farm or pay the players’ wives. The league office is not that stupid.

  71. or the alcoholics who abused everyone

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