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Okung, Giacomini and Harvin to practice this week; Browner injury “pretty serious”

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Nov. 11, 2013 at 3:56 pm with 35 Comments »
November 11, 2013 3:56 pm

Reinforcements are coming.

Left tackle Russell Okung, right tackle Breno Giacomini and wide receiver Percy Harvin are expected at practice Wednesday.

Cornerback Brandon Browner will not. Head coach Pete Carroll called Browner’s groin injury “pretty serious” and said they will know more later in the week. The usual rotation in the secondary will step in for Browner, which means more Walter Thurmond, Byron Maxwell and maybe some Jeremy Lane.

On to the quick hits:

> On Harvin: “He needs to show all that he has done in rehab work has paid off and that can he sustain through each day. It’s really the next day we have to look at. For us, it’s not a pressure decision. Trying, again, to consider all the factors and make sure we’re doing this right.” This was the consistent hedge we’ve heard from Carroll about Harvin. We probably won’t get a full answer about whether he will play Sunday until Sunday’s inactive list comes out.

> Carroll said James Carpenter had an excellent game Sunday. Said he was very effective in the run game. Carroll also said Lemuel Jeanpierre played well. Rookie Alvin Bailey will continue to get looks. With the return of Giacomini and Unger, Carroll said “We’re going to use all options,” mentioning there will be a lot of competition in practice. He also added, “Just because those guys are back doesn’t mean you have to play them the whole game.”

> Carroll said J.R. Sweezy was dehydrated at one point and they tried to rehydrate him during halftime.

> On the injured players overall, especially knowing there is a bye week behind this week: “We haven’t rushed any of these decisions, we’re not going to rush them now,” Carroll said.

> Carroll said he needs to talk to the league about Michael Bennett being called for a personal foul when he was on the ground and sacked Matt Ryan. You are allowed to wrapup in that instance, but can’t lunge. Carroll expects to hear back by Wednesday.

> Carroll on the running game the last two weeks following the lackluster performance in the Rams game: “It’s the growth and communication, and the focus and all of the stuff that has happened. We’re getting better, which is really exciting. We looked like we were running the football like last year. These last couple games, we looked like we did in the last seven or eight weeks of last year. That’s when everything fit together at it’s very best. Hopefully, we can capture that.”

> Carroll said positive things about Christine Michael’s play in the garbage time Sunday. Said Michael has “exceptional quickness.” As expected, the challenge for Michael is pass blocking. Carroll called Robert Turbin is an “accomplished blocker” and pointed out a linebacker pickup from Sunday. Michael is still learning that and has to improve in all areas, according to Carroll.

> Carroll joked Cliff Avril was upset about the St. Louis score when asked about Avril’s reaction on the sidelines that was caught by TV cameras Sunday.

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  1. thursday says:

    lol the st louis score, ok

  2. I don’t think I’ve seen a team sub in different OL in passing situations, but I can’t complain about the results!

  3. Dukeshire says:

    Michael is the quickest of the three RBs, for sure. It’s hard to gauge a player in those situations though, considering the game was “over” for all intents and purposes. With Lynch and Turbin’s effectiveness he’s likely to not see many snaps outside of mop up.

    I will be surprised if Harvin is on the 45 man for the Viks game. There isn’t a reasonable reason to get him back for that considering the bye. Take the extra time and ensure he’s healthy for the final month push and the playoff run.

  4. Dukeshire says:

    pabuwal – I don’t recall that either. Of course, that gives us an indication of how desperate they are to find any solution to their protection woes.

  5. It sounds like Carroll plans on rotating Okung and Giacomini in and out during Sunday’s game. Maybe that means he is satisfied with the “cool depth” they have on OL?

  6. It’s a good thing they were going against a terrible defensive line (that always allows a bad line to look better, too). Osi is kind of like Steve Largent or Curt Warner… alive and used to be good, but not good anymore if they had to play in a real game. Overexaggerated, but you get the point).

  7. I think it might be good idea to sub Okung and Breno in for this first game back (then give them confidence going into a bye), but it has more to do with easing those guys back in that their “cool” depth. lol :)

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I see that as a measure to work them back into the lineup / game shape rather than a model for post-bye games. Although that’s perhaps what you are implying as well.

  9. Dukeshire says:

    Bobby beat me to it…

  10. RDPoulsbo says:

    It’s possible Okung and Breno are going to be rotated this week because they’re not back into game shape. I think the competition at both guard positions has to be real though. McQ, Carp and Sweezy haven’t exactly proven themselves to be starters this season.

    The Falcon’s d-line is indeed terrible. I think that allowed Seattle to get away with rotating o-line for situational purposes. That won’t work against a good defense since it basically shouts what you’re going to do. It might work against Minny, but it won’t against NO or SF.

  11. I got the sense from Carroll’s press conference that he thinks the backups are serviceable enough that he can afford to ease the starters back into action.

  12. MEhawkfan says:

    Carroll has certainly been non-committal regarding Harvin. This could be gamesmanship or it could be Harvin is really not responding to the work as well as they would like him to. If he is physically ready, I think there is merit in playing him, at least in a limited capacity, against the Vikings just to knock the rust off a little before the New Orleans game.

  13. mindnbrad says:

    I don’t understand the call on Bennett. I also don’t understand the call on Irvin..the personal foul, “hit on a defenseless receiver.” I get the whole concussion, safety issue. They are trying to “protect” players somehow. The thing I don’t understand, that I would love perspective on… >>>If the way Irvin played it was not OK, how could he have played it so that it would have been OK?<<< I did NOT hear that it had anything to do with "helmet-to-helmet." So all, help me understand….

  14. I have this, to me, amusing thought: that Percy Harvin is like one of those characters in a play or a novel that everyone keeps talking about but who actually never comes on stage or shows up in the book. An example might be Niles Crain’s wife Maris in Frasier. We hear all about her, her little quirks, her doings. But we never, ever, see her.

    Will Percy ever show up?

    And poor guy (so to speak,) what’s he going to have to do to meet our expectations after all this build-up?

  15. MEhawkfan says:

    LOL Snappa. The Seattle version of “Waiting for Godot.”

  16. It’s easier to wait on some guys when you’re playing a pathetic Vikings team in front of the 12th Man. I’m looking forward to the queens getting embarrassed!

  17. WiscCory says:

    Actually, Bobby, as I was watching the Vikes play last Thursday, I thought their pass rusk looked solid. Even dynamic as times.

    Prior to the Atlanta game yesterday, considering the Hawks lackluster pass protection, I was highly worried about Wilson getting rocked by the Vikings.

    Guess what I’m saying is don’t write off your pathetic local team as a cake walk.

  18. raymaines says:

    Pete Carroll is the most out of the box/interesting/ different/ weird coach in the world. He has so many new and different ideas about how an NFL team should be run. In this copycat league he is a total original. Can’t imagine Mike Holmgren or Mike Shanahan rotating in O-Linemen for example.

    PC is the most encouraging/ positive coach in the world but he really knows how to turn up the heat: > On Harvin: “He needs to show all that he has done in rehab work has paid off and that can he sustain through each day. …”

    He’s a total Players Coach, but he’s turned over the roster more than any other coach in the league in the last 3.5 years. He goes out of his way to hire assistant coaches good enough to replace him. He doesn’t seem to be worried about next weeks game as much as winning championships. He enjoys talking to the press and never lies, but never actually says anything either.

    I don’t think PC could do all of this without a really good owner, so here is a great big shout out to Paul Allen too.

  19. jchawks08 says:

    I think I may be the only one that thinks Carp is playing solid. Whenever I focus on him, he seems to be doing his job well. Just makes me happy that Carrol publicy praised him. Maybe I’m not crazy thinking he’s a good player. He’s just so…Massive! How can he not move people??

    Also I recall on the chat that there didn’t seem to be a lot of Thurmond fans. People were upset on the tackle he missed then went back and caused the fumble. All I ever see him do is make plays. I think he’s just a very small step behind Browner as an all-around Corner. Not a big gap at all, if any.

    Just my thoughts on a couple of players I like.

    Who is this mythical Harvin guy we keep reading about?

  20. jchawks08 says:

    raymaines, awesome comment re: Carroll. I love him as our coach. I couldn’t have said that any better. I could listen to him talk to the press for hours. Him and his run-on, machine-gun responses. I love it!

  21. There’s absolutely no reason for PC to be publicly committal about Harvin. We as fans just want to know everything. I understand that.

    As people were talking about Carp earlier in the chat, I would say that he has certainly not lived up to being a 1st round pick, though I don’t think he’s been as bad as many here say he has been in 2013. The apparent lack of commitment to conditioning is bothersome.

    We should remember what the other O-line options were though. The guys some here were pounding the table for. Gabe Carimi straight up sucks and now is a backup OG for a terrible Buccaneers team. Derek Sherrod is currently a 3rd string OT on the Packers, a team that has been desperate for OTs the last few years. He has made a very impressive ZERO starts in his career. Danny Watkins turned out to suck as well. The right pick obviously seems to be Muhammad Wilkerson in retrospect. They should’ve just avoided the O-line altogether that draft. They should’ve traded up to #69 or so in the 3rd and taken Justin Houston.

  22. jchawks08 says:

    Yea Carp wouldn’t be catching any heat if he were a 5th rounder instead of a 1st. I get that.

  23. jchawks08 says:

    For Dawgs fans, it sure is fun watching Foster, Teo-Nesheim, and Goldson on this Tampa D. They can’t possibly be the reason the Bucs are winless. :D

  24. Dukeshire says:

    I don’t agree regarding Carpenter. He would still be taking some for his poor play, just as Sweezy is. And justifiably so (for his overall play). However, the resentment that seems to accompany the criticism would likely not be there. Nor would the criticism of Cable. I think that’s the biggest difference. Although that’s simply a guess.

  25. jchawks, I think I probably have been Carp’s biggest defender on here. That said, it’s hard to justify a 1st round pick at this point. He can be very good in the running game, not so great in pass protection. I honestly think he would look significantly better if Okung was playing next to him rather than that matador McQ.

    I’m willing to back the coaches on whatever they decide with Carp this off-season. They would save 1.4 mil by cutting him. There are a lot of factors with this O-line this coming off-season. Breno and McQ are both UFAs and I don’t see either coming back for anything near their current salaries. How do Baily, Bowie, and Sweezy progress? Do they get a different backup C so that Lem can move to OG? What happens in the draft. Seems like almost everyone expects one of their first 2 picks to be on the O-line.

  26. Any jackass can kick down a barn. It’s much harder to build one. I’ll ask any Cable hater here, who should they have drafted instead of Carp on the O-line? I won’t hold my breath.

  27. “I have this, to me, amusing thought: that Percy Harvin is like one of those characters in a play or a novel that everyone keeps talking about but who actually never comes on stage or shows up in the book. An example might be Niles Crain’s wife Maris in Frasier. We hear all about her, her little quirks, her doings. But we never, ever, see her.”

    Reminds me of Pokey Reese…

  28. Stefen Wisniewski is a solid OL playing on a crap team.

  29. Wisniewski is a C and he was taken with a 48th pick in 2011. So, you trade down from the 1st and take Wisniewski? Who says anyone wanted to trade up to that spot? He would’ve been gone by their 2nd round pick and they got Sherm by trading down anyways. You could’ve went after Marshall Yanda in FA, but the league was in lockout and nobody knew how that would play out. Also, you probably have to not sign either Rice or Miller if you sign Yanda. There weren’t a lot of good options.

  30. jchawks08 says:

    Yea, it will be fun and interesting to watch the OL rotations throughout the remaining games with everyone healthy. Relatively confident they’ll find the right combination(s).

  31. raymaines says:

    Mark Ingram, Colin Kaepernick, Kyle Rudolph, Justin Houston, Mason Foster, Sam Acho, and Jacquizz Rodgers were all drafted after JC.

  32. “who should they have drafted instead of Carp on the O-line?”

    Apparently you missed that, Ray. I already said that they should’ve drafted Muhammad Wilkerson in retrospect and mentioned Justin Houston. Ingram has sucked and we have Beast and Turbin. Not sure why you’d want him. Same pretty much goes for Rodgers. We drafted Wright that draft. Is Foster significantly better than him? I think not. Kaep goes without mentioning.

  33. raymaines says:

    Right now the Buc’s are blowing a 15 point lead near the end of the third quarter. So why didn’t they play this game against the Seahawks. Is this what the Target On Your Back is all about?

  34. raymaines says:

    I really don’t know who the Seahawks might have drafted rather than JC, but it hardly matters. Knowing what we know now, they should have traded down to the fifth round, got Richard Sherman and saved all the draft picks for 2012

  35. My point is that if the people complaining about Cable pushing for Carp, which we don’t even know he did, can’t come up with a better O-lineman to pick there then maybe they should put a cork in it. The Hawks had a very good 2011 draft. They’re not all going to be winners. And they had no free agency to try and address it prior to the draft.

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