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Morning links: Mike Rob whips up some pancakes

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Nov. 7, 2013 at 6:15 am with 87 Comments »
November 7, 2013 10:20 am
Marshawn Lynch had to hurdle buddy and lead blocker Michael Robinson on Sunday. / AP photo
Marshawn Lynch had to hurdle buddy and lead blocker Michael Robinson on Sunday. / AP photo

Good morning.

Sunday, we saw some efficient lead blocking from fullback Michael Robinson. He was in on 18 snaps, which is an increase in usage of a fullback in the Seahawks’ scheme. Marshawn Lynch had 21 carries. That was the increase the Seahawks were looking for after he carried a paltry eight times against the Rams.

Which led our Dave Boling to have a chat with Robinson. Lynch was, ahem, unavailable for comment.

“I can’t explain it, or put it into words,” Robinson said of his working and personal relationships with Lynch. “We’ve been playing together for a while, and he knows what I’m gonna do and how I’m going to target a guy. I talk to him about what I’m doing to do when we see a certain look, so, yeah, we communicate a whole lot.”

I wrote about Doug Baldwin’s thoughts on the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito situation, plus a couple other items in my notebook.


> Commissioner Richard Sherman. Like the sound of that? Here’s Sherman on what he would do if he was commissioner of the NFL.

> with a post on Russell Wilson being at his best while under duress.

> 710 ESPN writes about last season’s playoff loss to the Falcons sticking with the Seahawks.

> The Everett Herald writes about Golden Tate with the headline, “polarizing playmaker”.

> A Seahawks midseason report from ESPN.

> The focus at is on Doug Baldwin, who played flanker and in the slot last Sunday.

> Old friend Steve Kelley pops up at with a column on Malcolm Smith.

> Some notes about the Falcons-Seahawks game from the Falcons’ official website.

> Here’s Mike Holmgren on 950 KJR yesterday talking Seahawks and Jonathan Martin.

> Doctors told Hall of Fame running back Tony Dorsett that he has signs of CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative condition many scientists say is caused by head trauma and linked to depression and dementia. More than 50 former players who have posthumously had their their brains studied have shown signs of CTE. The significance here is that researchers will now be able to assess someone with CTE who is still alive. Here’s the video of Dorsett explaining what he’s going through as he forgets where he’s going, lashes out at his wife and daughters and even considered killing himself.

You’ll note in the video one of the doctors stresses it’s a small sample size and the research is in its early stages.

You’ll also note Dorsett has tears in his eyes as he explains that his daughters are afraid of him.

> Former Seahawk OL John Moffitt abruptly quit football Wednesday. He’s living in Seattle and explained to the Associated Press, he lost the love for the game. He also had concerns about his health. So, he made the change, leaving more than $1 million in salary behind.

> Several Dolphins players supported Richie Incognito on Wednesday when speaking with the media.

> Thomas Boswell from the Washington Post lights up the NFL for what he feels it has become.

> San Francisco WR Michael Crabtree was back at practice Wednesday.

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  1. djbargelt says:

    So glad MikeRob is back. I think most of us here were pretty sure that Marshawns run totals were going to improve with Mike’s blocks back in the fold. Now any chance the RealRob reports from the locker room can resume?

  2. hawkfan777 says:

    That was quite an article by Richard Sherman!

  3. I’m so happy Holmgren is no longer our coach. Pete is the best, period.


  4. yankinta says:

    Just taking a look at Picks for WK 10 by so called experts… 

    My upset specials…
    1. RAMS over Colts
    2. Panthers over 49ers
    3. Chargers over Broncos

    Let’s hope I don’t go 0-3 on my upset specials….lol

  5. SandpointHawk says:

    Todd: The Thomas Boswell link goes to the Tony Dorsett story…

  6. raymaines says:

    Yankinta: I could see STL over IND and CAR over SF, but I don’t see any logical way SD can get by DEN. I don’t know if it would be much of an upset, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if OAK beat NYG or TB got past Miami

  7. yankinta says:

    raymaines,,, I agree with you. I have the least confidence in Chargers over Broncos…that’s why that upset is No.3 on my list. I don’t know about the other teams because I only follow several teams that interests me….. :)

  8. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Many here including myself felt Mike Rob would positively impact this team and provide a boost for the running game. We noted his leadership as one of the key attributes that he brings along with experience and heart. Coleman was doing ok, but it takes time to establish trust between a fullback and running back. Certain stats were provided to reduce the value of Mike Rob, but I think it’s very clear, especially after last week what he brings to this team. Lynch just had his best rushing day of the season.

    People often underestimate what someone brings to the locker room. Football is much more than yards, TDs, sacks and stats. It’s about heart, emotion, leadership and standing with the guy next to you. Michael Robinson is a shining example of what a football player and ideal teammate is all about. So glad we got him back. Lynch’s words sum it up pretty nicely.

  9. dirtbiker_joey says:

    I could not agree more on the value of Mike Rob. Note also the number of Special Teams snaps he got. The leaders on this team are not afraid to do the dirty jobs too. That’s a championship mentality!

  10. RDPoulsbo says:

    Lynch once called Mike Rob his eyes. Many times, he lets Mike pick the hole and Marshawn just follows behind him. I think the results speak for themselves.

    This again should be a game where the Hawks run away with the score, but as long as they’re playing like they are, it’s probably going to be yet another nail biter. 24-17 Seattle.

  11. FleaFlicker says:

    A bit off-topic, but on the subject of O-Line. Saw an interesting piece the other week on Field Gulls basically making the case that the line was left out there on there own for a reason. With limited OTA’s, limited full contact practices, and red jerseys and all, offensive lineman actually have very few opportunities to learn their trade at full speed when not in a game. The writer on Field Gulls basically took the position that there is no other way to learn except for game time snaps. Adjusting the protection, adding blockers would have taken away from that opportunity. The line was there to stand on their own and take their lumps. A caculated risk so that they could learn their lessons in Week 8 instead of down the stretch or in the playoffs.

    Debatable. But an interesting article. Can’t find it, or I’d link it.

  12. agree w/all the posts re Robinson. very glad we’ve got him back in the fold.

    real curious to watch that Niners/Panthers game on Sunday; will be all the sweeter if we have taken care of business in the early game.

  13. yankinta says:

    pdway,, do you know a good streaming site to watch that game?? since it won’t be on TV for those of us in the Seattle area….

  14. Southendzone says:

    For the upsets, I think STL over INDY is very questionable. Don’t see Kellen Clemens getting it done on the road vs the Indy pass rush.

    The other 2 have potential though. That CAR/SF game is going to be a good one.

  15. pabuwal says:

    There is NO way the Rams beat the Colts in Indy, especially with Kellen Clemens at QB. Indy is virtually unbeatable in that stadium.

    We all hope that Carolina can beat SF, but I don’t see that happening either. Although, it wouldn’t be anywhere as surprising as STL over Indy.

  16. MoSeahawk12 says:

    SF coming off a bye week, rested and at home with Aldon Smith possibly in the lineup seems like too tall a task for The Panthers unfortunately. I have a bad feeling that we might see the rattled Cam in this game.

  17. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, Indy is unbeatable at home?? LOL… ummm Miami Dolphins beat them this season, when Ryan Tannehill outplayed Andrew Luck…. you should look it up… :)

    I like Panthers over 49ers because Panthers’ front 7 the best front 7, this season….that’s why they have No.1 Defense (scoring defense). They should be able to shut down Gore. And if the play Man instead of Zone, CK will struggle. Cam has been improving this season,, that I’ve been impressed by his improvement (from last year to this year,, similar improvement like Andrew Luck)….

    I like RAMS running game and I LOVE their Defense. Colts are not for real. I feel strongly that Rams will beat the colts, unless of couser Jeff Fisher has a Mini Stroke at half time…

  18. Rams beat the Colts in Indy? Yeah, right. Pretty wishful thinking from none other than the Luck hater.

    Panthers on the other hand have a chance, albeit a small one. Their defense is really good and their running game is at full strength. I don’t anticipate Aldon having a huge impact after being away from the game for a little while.

    San Diego and Denver should be interesting since McCoy was OC last year for the Broncos and may have a little insight as to what they’re trying to do. Stopping it of course is a whole ‘notha ballgame.

    All right, I’m done talking about other teams. Back to Hawks stuff please.


  19. yankinta says:

    joreb,, lol I do not hate Luck. I just said I’m impressed by how much he has improved from last year… just like Cam has been improving from last year to this year…. But I do not think he’s as good as the entire nation thinks….not even close…. :)

  20. MoSeahawk12 says:

    classy remark about Jeff Fisher….mentally restricted as always.

  21. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I guess you find humor in the fact that Gary Kubiak experienced a very serious medical condition last week and use that to spew additional nonsense.

  22. Yank…what is it about Kellen Clemens and the mighty Rams that has you predicting a win on the road in a terribly difficult place to play?

  23. Todd Dybas says:

    Fixed, Sandpoint. Thanks for pointing that out.

    — Todd

  24. How’d the one loss Seahawks and Broncos do against Luck in Indy? Luck owned them both and even worse, he owned the Seahawks in the 4th quarter.

    Before the “Is Luck a good QB” argument on this site, there was the “Is Matt Ryan Elite” argument. He gets one half of his stud duo back this week (although at reduced strength) which will help him at least look average.

  25. yankinta says:

    Joreb, I like RAMS running game and I LOVE their Defense. Kellen Clemens hasn’t been terrible. If you watched their last two games,, their defense has played well.

    And as I said before, Colts are not for real. They’ve been winning because they’ve been extremely Lucky. The lucky streak will end very soon, imho. I still like the Titans to win that division over the Colts. But Titans have to beat them twice in order to do it. They luck hype and colts hype will die very soon with a whimper…. :)

  26. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, I had known/predicted that Broncos would lose to Colts as soon as Jim Irsay started making that game a big game for Peyton Manning. We all know Manning chokes in big games…that why I was saying Jim Irsay was a genius before that game… :)

    As for our game, there were 4-6 biased call that went the Colts way, thanks to Ron Winter’s Inept Crew. I think that helped the colts win,, without those calls, RW would have pulled out that win. Lucky for Colts…

  27. FleaFlicker says:

    Let’s hope PC has his act together for the return trip to Atlanta.

    Clock management last year….makes me shudder to remember.

  28. Kellen Clemens is not as good as Russell Wilson.
    Zac Stacey is no Beast Mode.
    Rams defense is still a step or two behind the Hawks.

    ‘If’ I watched their games. Tell you what. My old boss is a huge Rams fan from their days in LA. Every week we chat about our teams and every week he tells me how the Rams are turnover prone, undisciplined with penalties and under-utilizing their talent. Basically, they’re going through the same growing pains we did when Pete first got here.

    The Colts have beaten the Niner, Broncos and Hawks. No other team in the league has a comparable record against ‘elite’ teams. You say Luck is overrated but that’s just your opinion. Last year they threw it alot because Arians was running the show. This year they’re way more balance and are seemingly a better team.

    The Rams blow. They looked good against us but I seriously doubt they have a chance in hell this week. When the Rams lose, just come back here Monday morning and say you were wrong. No excuses, no if, buts and whatevers. Just man up and admit your hatred (or envy) of Luck.

    It ain’t happening and you know it.

    And I will stop feeding your massive ego in another pointless debate. You love getting everybody all riled up, but the buck stops here.

  29. MoSeahawk12 says:

    We play this week right?

  30. MoSeahawk12 says:

    That’s what you have to do joreb. Otherwise this will turn into another Luck takeover. Thank you.

  31. yankinta says:

    joreb,, I was sharing my THREE upsets,, but you chose to talk about that one,, it wasn’t my choice…. so don’t even put that on me….

    But on Monday,, I will definitely come back and eat crow,, if the Colts’ lucky streak continue,,, you do the same too if you turn out to be wrong… :)

  32. That whole deal in Miami is just goofy!!!

    I am still more worried about the consistency of our Defense – The first half last week the Defense SEVERLY underplayed and that was 99.5% of the problems – the other .5% was untimely turnovers.

    That being said – it is the part of the game that SHOULD be easiest to fix since we have been dominate at different points of this season against both good and bad teams.

    LUCKY for us we have had and incredibly weak strength of schedule this season

  33. montanamike2 says:

    FleaFlicker, I hope your scenario with the o-line is true, i’d love to believe we’re building depth. 1 more win and we start getting guys back then a bye to build up for a run. Maybe we’ll see things that they have been hiding up their sleeve, hopefully. Zac Stacy might be the real deal, we’ll have to see if he can keep it up.

  34. Screensmoke says:

    Jim irsay is a genius -yes and your a regular Albert frickin Einstein :-)

  35. I just want a win in Atlanta this week. If we can put a beat down on them and dominate, it’d be that much sweeter, but it’s probably just wishful thinking on my part. I’m feeling 41-20 but again, I’d just be happy with a ‘W’.


    (I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I do it all the time, so Monday someone will be eating some crow).

  36. I just don’t think it’s going to be me.

  37. Screensmoke says:

    Maybe we will all be lucky and he will choke on the crow- just kidding( couldn’t resist )

  38. yankinta says:

    joreb,, Deal!! :)

    montanamike2,, yeah I am really starting to like Zach Stacy, he had 127 yards 4.7 average and 2 TDs last week against a good Defense (Titans)…. I think he’ll have another 100+ yards game, with his ankle getting a lot healthier…. Colts are in trouble….

  39. montanamike2 says:

    I’m beginning to think he’s for real.

  40. SandpointHawk says:

    Yeah MoSeahawk12, we must play the Colts again judging by this thread…I thought we were in Atlanta but that doesn’t seem to be the case….

    Thanks Todd, nice read…

  41. montanamike2 says:

    Sometimes we act like this is a 1-8 team rather than 8-1.

  42. For all of you that hated on PC/JS for trading Moffitt: once again, the professionals running the Seahawks organization were right and you were wrong.

  43. WiscCory says:

    The messaging shift from the Rams game to the Bucs game is interesting. Pete went from rah rah to we have a huge problem stopping the run. Cable went from talking about the O-line struggles to this week’s “cool depth.”

    Regardless, I’m glad that combined, they’re acknowledging the dents in the armor and are working to fix them.

    The formula is simple. Run first. The current O-line is better suited for that, and the added benefit of Mike Robinson was seen last week. AND, ironically, it was Wilson that got the golden goose, and the credit for leading the Hawks to the come-back victory.

    Even in a controversial performance against a winless team (in the eyes of national media), the formula is proven. Run first, and win.

    Feed the Beast.

  44. montanamike2 says:

    I always assume with these guys that they know/see more than me. Previous regimes not so much.

  45. My hope is that with Mike Rob back in the groove, the Seahawks offence can start getting back to how it ended 2012.

  46. I think the JS/PC regime has done very well. My only point of contention is that I think they have done poorly evaluating o-line draft talent and made foolish investments into converting d-line players into o-line players.

  47. montanamike2 says:

    I would totally agree with that blocis.

  48. yankinta says:

    blocis,, I don’t think it’s foolish at all to convert D-Line into O-Line players.. if you watch a lot of college football you’d know that most Elite Athletes/lineman like to play on Defense rather than on Offense…. I think it’s smart, that they doing that…. the rest of the league will copy us soon,,,just as they’ve done with bigger corners…

  49. rramstad says:

    blocis, Sweezy was round seven, pick 225 overall. That’s not a huge investment… foolish, perhaps, but the guy has been on the field and beat out Moffit who was a round three pick (11th, so nearly in the first 100 picks).

    I dunno, I don’t see the failures of the FO on the Sweezy experiment in terms of draft pick. He’s not working out as well as any of us would like, for sure, but I’m mostly unhappy with Carpenter and Moffit, two relatively high picks that really haven’t been working out. If you are a first round pick and are getting put on the bench when Okung comes back so someone like McQuistan can take your spot… and you were supposed to be a tackle and couldn’t hack it so are at guard, and not even starting at guard, that’s a definite disappointment.

    (I also found it odd that they even drafted Carpenter given that zone blocking usually features offensive linemen with good feet… not big men necessarily.)

  50. rramstad says:

    should be “11th, so easily in the first 100 picks).”

  51. I think Sweezy “beating out Moffitt” is more about Moffitt than the play of Sweezy

  52. dirtbiker_joey says:

    So, anyone think the Sounders have a shot at overcoming a 1 goal deficit at Portland tonight?

    Just Kidding. Aggregate scoring is the most asinine concept in professional sports.

    Back to football (real football).

    I predicted a 13-3 season for the Seahawks before the year began, with the Atlanta game being one of the three losses. They are right where I thought they’d be. Although, admittedly, not even close to the way I thought they would get there. I’m going to hold to my 13-3 prediction, but hope for 15-1.

    My biggest concern for this weekend is Big Red. I think we’ll see more Smith-Wright-Irvin at LB on running downs. But with Big Red out, our defense suffers even more. Their running game hasn’t exactly been tearing it up, but it begins to feel like deja vu typing that. Red is a key to the run defense, especially with Wagner struggling to maintain his gap control the past two weeks.

    As for Matt Ryan and the passing game, not a strong concern with Julio Jones still out. As long as we contain Gonzalez, we’ll be fine. Roddy White is good, but not good enough to beat us without Jones across from him. Especially coming off injury.

    Atlanta’s defense does not concern me in either aspect.

    Two things can beat the Seahawks this weekend. Turnovers are the first. Even though they overcame a -3 turnover differential last week, it won’t happen on the road. If anyone has a statistic on what the record is for teams with a -3 turnover differential, I’d love to see it. I would bet it is below .100.

    Second is the offense not sticking with their game-plan. It seems the MO for this team is to pound the ball consistently, with a few passes thrown in. It makes for a “slow start,” but it leads to opposing defenses wearing down and big second halves. For whatever reason, it seems that Bevell abandons the run game too early and lets RW take over. For the most part, RW can do it, but that’s not how this team is built. Commit to the run, keep it going even if you get down a score or two. Trust your defense to keep you in it, and trust the Beast and RW to do their thing in the second half.

  53. Dukeshire says:

    “I think Sweezy “beating out Moffitt” is more about Moffitt than the play of Sweezy.”

    Absolute agreement with this. Even a casual review of either of their play revealed better and more consistent play out of Moffitt. However, commitment, or apparent lack-there-of, and overall potential ceiling, had the Seahawks in a position to commit to Sweezy.

    I don’t think anyone can argue that o line is in desperate need of a talent upgrade this offseason.

  54. DFloydd says:

    Agreed. Duke. However, I just had a Deja Vu moment for the, what?, 8th year in a row? Fix the O-Line. Fix the O-Line..Fix the O-line. Isn’t that the definition of insanity? MUAHAHA!! (just kidding, weird day)

  55. As someone who kept insisting Mike Rob would improve the team immensely upon his return, I Told You So! I expect to see ALOT of M-Rob unless and until the line improves a great deal.

    I’m also thrilled to hear they will work Bailey into a rotation. That should help the overmatched McQ stay sharp by giving him breathers. Plus, I’d rather see Bailey whiffing a block and learning than McQ whiff when he knows what to do but can’t get it done. Bailey has a far higher ceiling.

    Besides, McQ is sadly better at LG than Fat Carp. If Bailey can man LT, perhaps we will see Fat Carp benched and some improvement.

  56. “I think Sweezy “beating out Moffitt” is more about Moffitt than the play of Sweezy.”

    I agree too. The truly disappointing part is that this regime drafted them BOTH.

  57. FleaFlicker says:

    If Big Red is out, maybe we’ll see what our 3rd rounder from Penn State is made of?

  58. I know I will be in the minority here, but I can’t help but also be disappointed in Bruce Irvin. Its not that Irvin is awful – hes clearly not – but when I spend a first round pick on a pass rusher I am thinking Aldon Smith or Robert Quinn. Irvin recorded 8 sacks as a rookie – that was pretty good, but he was shown to be a liability at DE. SO we move him to OLB – where is has done ok. Would we have spent that first round pick on Irvin as an OLB? Don’t think so.

  59. The are professionals and know more about football than we do. I don’t know one person on this blog who will claim to think they know 1/2 the amount of Mr. Happy or the Duke Boy.

    That doesn’t mean some Joe-Schmoe can’t have wanted to draft Kyle Rudolph over James Carpenter (I would have taken a different OL bust myself) in the 2011 draft, which would have made the clown correct and our organization wrong.

    All of us have made mistakes in our current lives/jobs, yet still think we’re pretty good/successful at what we do, and Mr. Happy and the Duke Boy are no different in their career(s). Anyone not think Pete wishes he’d have kicked a certain FG in the 1st half of the Falcons play-off game last year like some stupid fans wanted?

    They know more than us, but that doesn’t mean they are correct on every little thing that some clown fans have been right on. Does that mean I want some clown fan who wanted a Rudolph (hypothetical) running the team over Schneider? No way but people are still entitled to their opinions.

  60. CDHawkFan says:

    Someone the other day was describing Moffitt as someone that lacked the desire to get/stay in shape, take things seriously, or have a mean streak to beat his guy. When reading it I thought you could use the same description for Carp.

    They did try to address the O-line a few years ago, but their 1st and 3rd round picks in 2011 weren’t the right type of ‘hungry’.

  61. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m not as down on Sweezy as I am Carp. Sweezy has tons of upside, but Cable threw him to the wolves way too early. Partly that’s Moffitt’s fault for being a complete bust, as is Carp but they had a chance to fix it this past offseason and chose not to. Give Sweezy a few years as a backup before saying he stinks. Of course he stinks. You’d expect that from a guy who’s only been playing guard for 1 1/2 years.

    As for Carp, yes, he’s a complete and total failure, both at RT and LG. As a 1st round pick, he should have been polished and ready to start given the shaky competition he had. The only reason I think they kept him this year in the first place was because his contract is fully guaranteed. Next year, the dead cap will be easier to swallow as a June 1st cut. I’d like to see more time with Bowie at LT just so McQ could go back to his normal position and get fat and slow off the field.

  62. CDHawkFan says:


    I was a bit down on Irvin (without the g) earlier, but I really liked what I saw vs the Cards and Rams. He seemed to know what to do with his assignments and his athletic ability showed up while playing against other pro’s (he seemed to stick out on many plays). I started to understand what PC has been saying since last year. I am much more optimistic about him than I was at the end of last year when he didn’t show up in his home town (Atlanta) when we really needed him. I would like to see more of him on the field along with Smith. I think Irvin has a future at LB, not so much DE.

  63. While Irvin had a quiet game vs the Bucs, he wasn’t bad. Never mind that up to last week he’s been playing very well. He’s even been making some tackles for loss in the run game! He’s everything Aaron Curry was supposed to be (but wasn’t). And there is still the potential for him to gain weight and do some DE in the future as well.

    Seattle needs to blitz Irvin more, but he’s been playing fantastic at LB. Keep in mind Seattle reached for him because they planned to get Wags and Wilson and Turbin later–and they did. I can’t remember any team having such a haul in one draft from rounds one through four.

    Bobbyk–I hear you. But it must be pointed out that JS and PC have yet to hit a home run on a single first round pick. Jury is still out, but Okung–while a fine player–is injury prone, Carp is an utter bust, Irvin also has been forced to change positions and is not helping the pass rush much, which was what he was drafted to do, and Harvin hasn’t even seen the field. The only unequivocal success in the first round is Earl Thomas.

    Seriously, that’s almost as bad a track record over four years as Matt Millens in Detroit (and that’s Baaaad!). They have to stop whiffing and hit home runs on the next two.

    Good thing they keep finding guys like Chancellor, Sherman, Wright, Kearse, Browner, Baldwin,, Smith, and Willson in later rounds and the scrap heap.

  64. pabuwal says:

    Sometimes when not making the playoffs, its always better to lose that last game –

    2009 – The Seahawks lost to Tenn in the final game which helped BOTH their first round picks positioning (Tenn would have picked higher than Denver had the Seahawks won that game). Without that loss, there would be no Okung & Earl Thomas.

    2010 – The Seahawks “won” that division which caused them to have to pick in the bottom 10 of the First Round instead of the Top 10. it was a bad bottom 10 as evidenced by Carpenter, Carimi, Williams, Watkins, Baldwin, etc. It was a great 7-15 including Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn, Mike Pouncey and Tyron Smith.

    2011 – The Seahawks lost in OT to the Cardinals. Had they won, it would have been impossible to draft Russell Wilson. He would have had to have been over drafted in the 2nd round, which no team was willing to do. Going into the draft, a lot of us thought he’d be there in the 4th or even 5th round.

  65. Ok, they hit a home run on Earl Thomas. I had a brain fart…

  66. Pans–Seattle almost drafted Wilson in the second anyway–Carrol talked JS out of it. Had they won the Cards game the year before, and picked later, they would have either just taken Wilson in round 2, or traded up/down to the third to get him.

  67. Pabs–but I feel ya; when we beat the Pats and they got Bledsoe, we got stuck with Mirer, and the rest is history.

  68. It’s not Sweezys fault Cable is trying to save his job and salve his pride by attempting to turn him into an instant starter. His ass should be riding pine for years until he’s acclimated, I agree; but Cable is to blame for his playing, and Carrol as well. Sweezy’s just doing the best he can, like McQ. It’s Carp who appears to have caught Moffitt-itis and doesn’t seem to care.

  69. Cable’s Rushing Rankings
    2006 – Atlanta (1st)
    2007 – Oakland (6th)
    2008 – Oakland (10th)
    2009 – Oakland (21st)
    2010 – Oakland (2nd)
    2011 – Seahawks (21st)
    2012 – Seahawks (3rd)
    2013 – Seahawks (2nd)*

    *Currently ranked but haven’t had their BYE yet

    STTBM – So you hate Cable…what’s new? It’s so easy to say someone should be fired but how about stepping up and tell us who we should hire instead that’s available and with a better track record. Can’t? Didn’t think so.

    Cable IMO is pretty damn good. I don’t think he should be Director of Player Personnel or GM anytime soon but when it comes to blocking, he’s right on up there and his track record says as much.

    If we hadn’t lost Breno and Okung, we’d probably be doing a whole lot better. Now I’m not about to bash Schneider or Carroll for lack of depth, but if you want to point fingers, they are the ones that make the picks including free agents. I like both, but sometimes feel that more attention is given to the defense as opposed to the offense (WR and TE depth are meh) and I used to say the opposite about Holmgren.

    Nonetheless, I think your incessant rants about Cable are mostly unfounded for what it’s worth.


  70. Richard Sherman is Fierce! I’m 36 and though I played DB and WR, I didn’t have the talent or skill in my whole body that Sherman has in his pinky toe, but when I grow up, I want to write just as passionately concise as he does.

  71. RDPoulsbo says:

    Cable’s passing rankings:
    2006 – Atlanta (32nd)
    2007 – Oakland (31st)
    2008 – Oakland (32nd)
    2009 – Oakland (29th)
    2010 – Oakland (23rd)
    2011 – Seattle (22nd)
    2012 – Seattle (27th)
    2013 – Seattle (20th)

    There’s another thing o-lines do besides run block. Run blocking has never been the problem. It’s pass protection and always has been. In this league, you’re just not going to go very far with a QB constantly on his back.

  72. Joereb–We had the best line coach in the NFL, but we didn’t listen to him, kept the ZBS, and fired him. Now he’s coached the miners line to the top, while ours sucks as bad as ever.

    The proof is in the pudding. I don’t hate Cable, but he’s had 4 high picks and 4 years and our line stunk before Okung and Unger went down.

    The fact is, Lynch may be second in rushing, but not in ypc; we run the ball a LOT. If you look up advanced stats, Seattles line ranks almost dead last overall. We were next to last before the debacle vs the Rams and last wk vs the Bucs. Wilson has been hit about 60 times this year, and is battered.

    While our run blocking is decent it’s inconsistent, and NOT second in the league–their performance is largely due to Lynch’s studliness. And our Pass pro is bottom of the barrel. Compare our line Cable has been working on for four years with Denver’s: they have outperformed Seattles line despite massive injuries–LT and three C’s…plus Cable inherited Okung and Unger!!

    In four years, Cable has not found one single starter-caliber offensive lineman. That is inexcusable! Epic fail, indeed.

  73. And how much better do Lynch and Wilson make the line grade out?!

  74. Cable is Asst HC! Carrol is a defensive coord! And Cable is in charge of the run game coord, not Bevell–you think Carp, Moffitt, Sweezy, etc weren’t guys he demanded?! And he’s been unable to coach the guys up. He is ultimately responsible for the depth and overall performance of the line.

    From watching the whole Sweezy debacle progress, I don’t think Cable wanted FA’s. He wanted to ride with his guys: we are, and it’s not working. I guess we should give him ten years before calling a spade a spade?!

  75. Guys, where are those rankings from?! What is involved in the analysis?

  76. RDPoulsbo – who were the QB’s? Does Cable call offensive plays too? Which teams were in the top 10 and who were their QB’s? How about their WR’s? Lynch was in Buffalo before he got here, but I don’t recall Buffalo being in the top 10 (I could be wrong). I know Vick was the QB in Atlanta which helped their run game but Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett weren’t HOFers by any means. McFadden and Bush were okay, but again not great.

    When was the last time Seattle sent a WR to the Pro Bowl or had someone finish in the top 10 in yards or receptions? I suppose Cable should be blamed, yes?

  77. And who should we hire instead? I can wait. Take your time.

    And regarding the Niners…how many years did they suck before Harbaugh? How many top half 1st round picks are on that line? Other than Iupati, who have they drafted on the OL under Harbaugh?

  78. Being an armchair QB or GM is like being a Republican in Washington. Quick to criticize but no solutions in sight.

  79. RDPoulsbo says:

    joreb, I’m not saying replace him now. There isn’t anyone available nowand won’t be until the end of the season when coaching staffs start getting the axe. Still, let’s not pretend Cable is above questioning. O-line is easily the worst group on this team and Cable’s the guy lauded as a teacher who can get young linemen to play well quickly. That has been anything but the case here in Seattle.

    You’re the one who wanted to use rushing rankings as the only stat that tells us Cable is so great. Why is it the passing rankings are subject to a bunch of qualifiers but the rushing ranking does not? Go back and look at YPA and you’ll see that rushing under Cable was largely average.

  80. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Cable simply has not gotten his O-lineman to pass block very well. That’s no secret to me. However we can’t throw the baby out with the bath water now in the middle of the season.
    Hopefully the O-line will get healthy enough by the end of the regular season to not be a major weakness for us in the playoffs.
    That’s all we can hope for right now imo.

  81. I agree with everyone saying that Irvin is ‘ok’ at OLB.

    My disappointment is that as a first round draft pick I’m not expecting him to have to switch from a premium DE pass rusher role to an ‘ok’ OLB role. So, I agree hes not a bust, but I have higher expectations of a 1st round pick.

    But yeah, hes better than Aaron Curry. (thats not saying much)

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Remember this article by Steve Kelly? I wonder what he thinks now about Flynn and his body of work.
    Oh well so many others were clearly wrong too.

  83. Joereb–Solari has Only been in SF one year longer than Cable has been here, yet he’s done far better.

    Cable inherited a top-5 pick in Oking, as well as Unger, a second rounder. He was also given a first, a third, and sixth and seventh round picks, plus an assload of money to sign Gallery. None of Cables guys in four years has become even avg.

    I’m not advocating firing him now, but at thend of the year? At least Carrol should consider it.

    I don’t care who they hire, soling as the crappy zbs goes bye bye.

  84. Screensmoke says:

    I only have one thing to say-sttbm is right! U can’t argue with those rankings – his pass blocking is historically average at best-I find those numbers interesting- I have been pretty neutral on cable up to this point in fact I liked him just because he was a hard ass, apparently being a hard ass doesn’t help you coach pass pro- not impressed with those numbers at all. wow

  85. Screensmoke says:

    Good call on solari-can’t win them all but that was a definate loss letting him go to frisco. I forgot about that until u brought it up. Interesting point!

  86. sluggo42 says:

    Joreb, asking STTBM to name a replacement for Cable is kind of silly question, and you’re waiting for an answer…. Like that proves anything at all? Is he supposed to get a list of every line coach in the league and div 1 college and find out whose contract is up or whatever? How would he know that? But the seahawk brains are paid to research crap like that.
    Basing an argument on him not having a replacement in mind is a pretty funny arguement

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