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Morning links: Protection is the problem

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 31, 2013 at 6:15 am with 72 Comments »
October 31, 2013 1:43 am

Good morning.

The Seahawks aren’t the only team in the NFL searching for a way to better protect the quarterback. It’s an issue league-wide and always has been.

Seattle may be the only team which will pick up two starters back to the line in the second half of the season, however. The Seahawks are desperate for their return. Our Dave Boling writes:

With 27 sacks at midseason, he’s on pace to become the most sacked quarterback in Seahawks history, exceeding Dave Krieg’s 1985 mark of 52.

The Seahawks had just 40 offensive snaps in Monday’s 14-9 escape from St. Louis, and on seven of them (17.5 percent), Wilson was sacked. On 10 of them (25 percent), he was hit.

He was taken back more yards on sacks (48) than the Seahawks gained rushing (44).

The performance caused the Seahawks to plummet to 31st in the NFL in sacks-per-pass play. And Wilson is now only six sacks shy of the total (33) he absorbed his entire rookie season.

Those are brutal numbers.

I wrote about the opportunities that are now in front of Jermaine Kearse and Ricardo Lockette thanks to the injury to Sidney Rice.

Lockette said he is “night and day” different than his rookie year of 2011 with the Seahawks.

Links:

> ESPN writes that Percy Harvin returning this Sunday is unlikely.

> There is some suggestion that the NFL change it’s taunting rule so referees can take away a touchdown on a play like Golden Tate’s score from Monday. That’s how it is in college.

“A lot of people felt that the touchdown shouldn’t have counted [but] a taunting foul is always treated as a dead-ball foul, meaning whatever happened during the play counts, and the foul is enforced on the next play, which would be the kickoff,” Head of officiating Dean Blandino said on the NFL Network. “In college, this action would take back the touchdown.”

Pete Carroll thinks that is a bad, bad idea.

> Danny O’Neil answers some questions over at Hawk Talk on 710 ESPN.

> Seahawks.com says Seattle’s “gamble” on Bruce Irvin is paying off.

> Seahawks.com also says Doug Baldwin is at the front of the line to replace Sidney Rice.

> Aldon Smith is out of treatment and visited the 49ers.

> The Bucs will have a new starting left guard this Sunday for the fifth time in eight games.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    So Baldwin gets targeted only two times in the last two games and he gets a first down both times.
    I think it’s time to get him more involved.

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Todd- I have a play for you to send to Bevell that might help jumpstart the Seahawks Offense.

    http://gifs.gifbin.com/112010/1289238789_middle-school-football-trick-play.gif

  3. DreadHawks says:

    While the O-Line isn’t very good some of the sacks can certainly be blamed on RW holding the ball too long or not stepping up into the collapsing pocket when able. I also hold Bevell accountable and am quite unimpressed with the majority of his play calling. Are they going vanilla in their play calling to save for post season?? If our O- line was solid I think we would be complete and for the most part unbeatable. I think we will be drafting and possibly FA searching heavy on the O- Line side next year. Happy as a clam at 7-1 but there’s work to be done………….Go Hawks!

  4. So Baldwin gets first crack at playing starting FL–awesome! He’s earned it! I still think he goes to the slot in three-wide sets, with Kearse at Fl then…but at least both Kearse and Baldwin know all the positions, so they can move those guys around at will.

    I’m thinking we might actually be better on offense with Baldwin at Fl–he’s faster than Rice–IF the line can block. Yeah, I know, that’s a biiig IF!

  5. yankinta says:

    DreadHawks,, RW has to hold the ball because our receivers cannot get open consistently on time….

  6. sluggo42 says:

    Need to draft 7 offensive linemen, and get a new oline coach

    Cable sucks.

    I honestly dont understand whey so many of you adore the guy. He hasnt ever created a “good” line in seattle. Sure they got good running stats last year, but thats got a lot to do with the read option which at this point has pretty well been nullified. Yes, we have 2 starters out. But how many other teams have a starter or two out?
    I believe there is an error with the basic philosophy of the scheme, The zone/cut blocking thing. I think Cable wants to do that, or perhaps Pete does. But the linemen aren’t built for that. Or something… I cant put my finger on it, but something isnt right. Yes I know most of them are crappy, I was among the first calling out Sweezy and Cables “pet” project as a loser.
    But we are the crappiest team in the league. #32 folks. Oline! on a team ranked in the top 3? with the 32 ranked Oline? How good must the rest of the team be to be the #1 ranked team with the crappiest Oline in the entire league?

    Cable owns it and while thats good enough for you Cable defenders, its not good enough for the Hawks.
    Oline rank…#32… Wrap your heads around that…

  7. RDPoulsbo says:

    My take on the vanilla offense is they feel they need it go back to basics because of protection problems. Right now, it’s pretty hard to get the liner to block down when they can’t even make a decent attempt to block the guy in front of him. It’s also pretty tough to trust the tackles to block long enough for Wilson to get out on a bootleg. Not easy to do things like move the pocket when they’ve been playing this bad.

    Are these guys actually held accountable in spite of what PC is saying? It’s pretty hard to believe when you have quotes like Bowie saying he played ok, citing the last offensive series. One where they went 3 and out and he gave up the 3rd down sack.

  8. LOL…to say Cable sucks as an o-line coach is like saying Peyton Manning can’t throw a football. Cable’s record speaks for itself. The problem with the o-line right now are depth related. You cannot expect to lose two starters…both tackles…shuffle the remaining guys, and utilize a 7th round draft pick to plug one of the holes and still have a top 10 o-line.

  9. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m not ready to call for Cable’s head just yet, but you can’t ignore that the Cable’s Wonder Twins were top picks and disasters. He’s also the one insisting on starting players who should be projects like Sweezy. I get that he can be a good o-line coach, but the Assistant Head Coach title doesn’t fit.

  10. sluggo42 says:

    Bad analogy Skavage. If Payton was the 32 ranked QB then you might be able to compare the two. Didnt Denver lose 2 Olinemen to injury? Are they ranked #31?
    There are probably very few O-lines with all starters in the league. I’m glad you’re fine with the crappiest line in the league… I’m not.

  11. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t get the assistant head coach title either. Perhaps it was something the FO did to help sway Cable’s decision to coach here instead of somewhere else.
    You know, something like a little ego boost after getting canned by the Raiders.

  12. I don’t understand Petes comments about being committed to Sweezy. What does that mean? Does it mean that Sweezy isn’t competing for his position? Isn’t competition the central theme of his program? Didn’t Browner get benched? Why does Sweezy have commitment that Browner doesn’t have?

  13. HawkyHann says:

    Can we play our second round pick Christine Michael? Feed the beast as much as possible, but give Michael some touches over Turbin. He has another gear and I’m dying to see it. Turbin is ok and serviceable but we used a second round pick on dude and he has yet to get involved. Again, a second round pick.

  14. I’ve been saying the same thing Hann — let’s get Michael some touches. Turbin has looked very ordinary on his carries this year. Like all of us, I’d love to see more passes to the RB’s as well.

  15. madpunter88 says:

    Just a reminder to those lamenting the play-calling, criticizing the coaching, criticizing the receivers, the quarterback, etc. — the Seahawks are 7-1. That game on Monday was virtually unwatchable at times. The offense was terrible for a number of reasons either obvious or inexplicable. But the time-honored tradition of questioning the OC’s play-calling, criticizing the quarterback for not stepping up in the pocket to avoid sacks (the most mobile QB in the NFL right now by the way), or lamenting the offensive line coach for poor coaching seems drastically misplaced.

  16. GeorgiaHawk says:

    blocis- Because no other Guard on the team is better then Sweezy right now. And at least Sweezy has some upside instead of like Carpenter who has a lot of backside.

    BTW- Moffitt has been inactive every game this year for Denver since we traded him. Just further proof that he is not starting material for us and Denver even with all the injuries on the O-line to both teams.

    http://www.kffl.com/player/24110/nfl/john-moffitt

  17. madpunter88 says:

    HawkyHann/pdway-
    I would trust that Michael is not playing for reasons the coaches understand very well. They drafted him; clearly they want him to succeed. If he is not playing you should assume it is because he is not as good as Turbin. That is all.

  18. HawkfaninMT says:

    Until you can name a replacement for Bevel that will come in right now and do a better job, the mantra of “Cable sucks, fire his butt” is null and void. Firing coaches for the sake of firing coaches is an awesome to destroy morale and consistency. Where is the proof that things will get better if Cable is canned? there is none. Classic case of the garss is greener… Maybe it isn’t.

    With regards to Sweezy, it comes back to: who do you want him to compete against? They will not risk the only back up Center just to make a slight upgrade to Sweezy. That is assuming Lem is an upgrade. Other than Lem you are looking at practice squad players that PC/TC obviously do not think are better.

    I would suggest letting Cable do what he has done for the last 30-40 years and re-evaluate at the end of the season.

    Furthermore, the comparison to the Denver’s OL is as obsolete as the comparison of our OL to Peyton. Totally different personnel, schemes, and style of offense. RW holds the ball on average more than anyone in the league. I would argue, without looking up stats, that manning delivers the ball in one of the shortest amounts of time in the league.

  19. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Committing to Sweezey means they are committed to consistency.

    I truly believe consistency helps an O-line – even if the guys are sub-standard athletes, having the same guys week-to-week helps. My hope is that a few bugs get worked out, Breno and Okung come back, and that thing starts to gel in the final month of the season – when it matters most.

    I think the injuries actually do more damaage to personnel consistency, rather than personnel quality (but they do that too!)

    (Sorry I posted this comment in a prior thread, but wanted to reiterate).

  20. Dukeshire says:

    I would say that Carpenter is head and shoulders a better guard than Sweezy, right now. Although that’s not a ringing endorsement. And while Sweezy is certainly the most athletic o lineman on the roster, outside of a handful of cut blocks, I’ve yet to see that turn into actual productivity.

  21. Dukeshire says:

    “That is assuming Lem is an upgrade.”

    That has puzzled me for a while as well. The narrative that Lem has any ability to be a starting guard seems to be simply reactionary to how inept Seattle’s interior line play has been. In short, what evidence is there to support the notion he can be an effective guard?

  22. trout_hound says:

    Speaking of links, here’s one you may have missed. Its a good read: http://nfl.si.com/2013/10/30/how-to-run-a-locker-room-greg-schiano-pete-carroll/?xid=si_nfl

  23. chuck_easton says:

    What Carroll’s comment told me is that the team wants Breno and Okung back at the tackle spots and then the line is set.

    Bowie and McQuistain to the bench.

    The plan was always to have Carp start at LG this season. That is why they rotated him and McQ to start off. The idea was to let Carp play his way into shape. The Okung injury just pushed up the timeline.

    Looks like the team is fine going forward with Carpeezy as the guards and relying on better play once the starting tackles are back.

    That might be a line that is serviceable but definitely not elite.

  24. RDPoulsbo says:

    I’m not calling for Bevell’s head. He’s not great, but be’s doing ok, especially for what he has to work with.

    Michael…yeah. As I said before, it was a good thing I was on a work trip that took me out of internet access when the draft happened. I would have had a stroke if I saw that live. Another reminder that even though there are o-line injuries, the atrocious play was completely avoidable had they made better offseason personnel decisions there. Yes, I got in a spat over Carp and Moffitt during th offseason for calling them out and needing to pull the plug on them. They were the worst o-line personnel decisions since Mora and Co. tried to sell us on the idea that Locklear was going to be a quality LT. They could have improved the o-line and addressed the depth, but chose not to. That’s why Wilson is a record setting pace for being sacked in spite of having the 2nd fewest passing attempts per game than any other team in the NFL.

  25. chuck_easton says:

    Or to make Georgia happy because he loves him some Sweezy. The guard tandem of

    Sweepinter

    Naw, Carpeezy just sounds better.

  26. What evidence is there that Sweezy can be an effective guard?

    Seriously tho. Lemuel started 5 games at guard in 2011 and did a fine job. My other reason for wanting to try Lemuel is that he has been playing o-line for more than 18 months (Sweezy hasn’t).

    Having said that, I agree that the actual ‘evidence’ that he would be an upgrade is circumstantial.

    Still – you have to question Petes comments about being committed to Sweezy. Doesn’t Seezy have to be accountable for his performance like everyone else? Why the free pass for Sweezy?

  27. sluggo42 says:

    Swarzyter

  28. sluggo42 says:

    Swarzyter Stiles

  29. Carpeezy sounds good…..

  30. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Chuck- I don’t love Sweezy so much as I love his willingness to work his butt off, ( unlike other guards we’ve had) to get better for this team.
    That’s why I like Baldwin, Thomas, Wilson, ect…

    I also like his dirt bag attitude, especially when paired with Breno.

    Unlike Carpenter at least we know Sweezy will be in shape for the 4th qtr when the outcome of the games really count. Just watch how winded Carpenter gets by the 4th qtr.
    I can’t prove it but it sure looked like he took himself out of the game the other week with a fake injury so he could catch his wind.

  31. WiscCory says:

    I can’t help but jump into this discussion with my ever important thoughts.

    The O-Line flat out sucks this year.

    AND, we are putting all of out eggs in the fact that Breno and Okung are going to save the day. What if they aren’t able to get in the groove right away – what if they keep reagrevating the injuries, what if Okung rolls an ankle or Breno starts back with his uncontrolled roughness penalties. Guess I’m just being cautiously optimistic about then saving the day starting in 2 weeks.

    Regarding the current state:
    - Mule playing well a couple years ago doesn’t mean he should be starting now. Consider that McQ was an adequate fill in at tackle in the past, but it simlpy overmatched against everyone this season.

    - Carp is flat out slow. Was curious if anyone can confirm that he has knees, and they indeed have the ability to bend? He can’t move to save his life (or Russell Wilson’s life).

    - Sweezy can move and have the old school Cable attitiude. He;s just poor in technique and assignment. A couple minor flaws that might hold him back a little bit (sarcasm).

    - Cable seems much more tame this year than I recall when he was with Oakland or first to Seattle. That lower emotion level sucks when the line is as inadequate as it’s been this season. I feel like he needs to just get pissed off and lay into these big boys.

    - Who’s out when our Tackles come back and McQ is moved back to guard? Carp, Sweezy….? Back to the Sweezy/McQ rotation? I actually would like to see McQ moved to left guard, and Bowie moved to RG…just to see how that works. Get CarpetSweezy off the field completely. Can it be any worse?

    - What’s with Bowie saying he played play on Monday night? He needs to stop listening to Wilson’s political answers…

  32. Sometimes coaches and leaders in general look at potential more than the results they are seeing right now at this very moment. That is what sets them apart from most of us. If you focus on right now you see Sweezy as a player who is frequenly out of position and makes mistakes from time to time that costs his team. Like a hands to the face penalty on a nice run for a first down by Marshawn Lynch. But both Carroll and Cable see a strong and athletic young man who they feel is going to develop into a really good right guard in the NFL. They apparently are willing to deal with todays short comings to see tomorrows successes. Who knows if they are right or not but I think I am going to choose to trust their experience and expertise in this matter over all of the “experts” who comment on football blogs. I just have feeling things are going to look a lot better for everyone when the starting tackles are playing.

  33. Thanks WiscCory.

    I guess my hope is (and its just that, hope) that Jeanpierre would be more assignment correct than Sweezy. I believe this would be true because

    a) Jeanpierre has played o-line for more than 18 months and
    b) Jeannpierre is a back-up centre who make the line calls – he WILL know his assignment.

  34. HawkfaninMT says:

    Again… More criticism without a guaranteed solution… Yes the OL has played poorly, sorry there is no Walter Jones sitting on the bench. I guarantee you PC/TC know more than us, and they are playing the guys they are because they are the best combination available right now.

    Those of you that have a problem with PC saying they are committed to Swezy: Would you have a problem with them saying they are committed to RW? By your logic EVERY position should be up for grabs at EVERY minute. That is simply not the case.

  35. I think that PC saying he is ‘committed’ to Sweezy is interesting. Why didn’t he let Browner keep playing and tell the media he was ‘committed’ to Browner? He benched Browner. Why different treatment for Sweezy?

  36. HawkfaninMT says:

    Because Browner was getting owned by Kendall Wright, and could cost TDs. Sweezy committed a relatively common hands to the face penatly in a game where my Dad probably got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for yelling at his TV.

  37. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Carpeezy sounds good Chuck.

    My hope by playoff time is to have this starting five back.

    Carpeezy Breokunger

    If Breno and Okung gets healthy, Carpenter gets in better shape and Sweezy gets better on his assignments then we can start steam rolling D-lines all the way to the Super Bowl.

  38. raymaines says:

    Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one. Seven and one.

  39. “HawkyHann/pdway-
    I would trust that Michael is not playing for reasons the coaches understand very well. They drafted him; clearly they want him to succeed. If he is not playing you should assume it is because he is not as good as Turbin. That is all. ”

    Well, yeah, I know – but if we take that theorem is gospel, then there is almost nothing to talk about on this board. 90% of what we do on here is observe and offer our opinions. Of course none of us are NFL coaches, and none of us get to watch these guys as closely as they do. Doesn’t mean this isn’t the right place to offer our commentary.

    And my main point in wondering about Michael, is feeling like if our 2nd round pick gives us absolutely nothing in a SB run year, then maybe it wasn’t the right pick after all. Plus, I’m curious to see what the guy can do after some of what he showed in pre-season.

  40. WiscCory says:

    I just don’t understand why the brass aren’t dialing in more help for the ends? Forget the TEs and RBs in pass patterns, and keep them in for pass protection.

    Perhaps it’s becuase the WRs don’t get separation?

    It’s a friggin circle converstation.

    Like “ric” I also put my trust in the coaches, however as fans we can vent. My problem is improvements seem so simple and obvious. More protection, adjusted play calling, allow Wilson to scramble EVEN more.

  41. doubledink says:

    Sweezy definitely plays better with Breno on his hip. The two of them make a decent tandem. They want to let him continue to work and learn without Breno’s help because the backup isn’t any better and this phase they believe will make Sweezy better for the long run. It is sure painful to watch though.

  42. aelliott11 says:

    I love all the comments calling for Cable’s head. Folks, we’re 18-6 over the last year and a half. Eighteen and six!

    Sweezy is struggling and is clearly overmatched. But obviously, the coaching staff feels his athleticism and his aggression makes him the best fit – for now. Same with McQ.

    If Pete Carroll has shown us anything over the last few years, it’s that he won’t hesitate to change personnel if it gives the Hawks even a slight upgrade. They’ve turned this roster over again and again.

    Therefore, I have to believe that – whether I like it or not – Sweezy and McQ are the best options. Again, FOR NOW. And if they would play assignment correct football, some of the issues wouldn’t be so bad.

    But talking about firing a coach on a staff that has won 18 out of the last 24 games is crazy town.

  43. doubledink says:

    The Michael pick was to shore up depth at a position crucial to this offense (tho you couldn’t tell by the MNF game) where little depth existed and there was a history of, and a high potential for injury.

    With Marshawn’s history of back spasms, if he went out this year we would question why something wasn’t done in the draft for that possibility. This year the OL has been the snake-bit group.

  44. It looked to me like in the limited number of plays the offense had on Monday night (40 compared to the normal 60 or so), that the coaches tried just about everything. Did you notice the play where Long ran by Zach Miller like he was a statue? Zach is usaully better than that. It just wasn’t a good night for anyone on the offense. I guess that stuff just happens from time to time. Plus Long and Quinn are pretty tough to handle with a good offensive line.

    I sure thought there were some great plays and great players on the defense though. Irvin, Thomas, Sherman just to name a few.

  45. doubledink says:

    You guys are starting to sound reasonable.
    Time to up my medication.

  46. RDPoulsbo says:

    Let’s not fall into the trap of believing the coaching staff can do no wrong. No one’s above criticism and the excuse that we only see so much of what goes on only goes so far.

    Most of those guys laying eggs every week are directly under Cable’s supervision. Yes, they are winning, but they’ve been doing it recently in spite of the o-line. There’s no way we’d be seeing wins if they played against average teams the past few weeks.

  47. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Lost in all of this is that Max can’t snap the ball accurately in shotgun. He’s never been strong here, but he seems worse this year and last game was awful. I think his low snaps throw Russell’s timing off even more as he has to bend down to his shoes to catch the low snap. The pass rush was on top of Wilson all night and the fact that he has to completely drop his head below the line, and we all know he’s not the tallest QB in the league, then pop back up to see where the receivers are, has to screw up the timing. This happened over and over again. This is going to cost us at some point. At least when Lem was playing center when Max was out, the shotgun snaps were accurate and quick. Wilson doesn’t even have to look down and can immediately see his targets. Now, I think Max is a really good center, and probably our best option, but watch how far Wilson has to bend over forward to get the snaps. His weight and head are forward and down and then he has to quickly stand up to scan the field. He does it very fast, but it still takes valuable time to get in a proper throwing position. It also reduces his options to see the pass rush and he can’t instantly avoid the oncoming D as easily as he could if he was standing up for the snap.
    Just my two wooden cents.

  48. yankinta says:

    Question for all of you HawkFans at halfway point this season….

    If Someone told us on September 1st that RW would be missing 40% to 60% of his starting O-Line for the most part during the first 8 games,, what would you have said our Record’d be after the first 8 games??

  49. thursday says:

    echoing the seven and one spam above tbh…

  50. The Houston Texans started 11-1 last season.

  51. RDPoulsbo says:

    Would we also know that 2 of the last 3 opponents started backup QBs and the promise of half of Seattle’s opponents never materialized?

  52. All year long we wait for the season to start and now we’re right in the middle of it. Talking about next year occasionally is one thing. Talking about it all the time is ridiculous.

    Ok, you want Cable fired. Who do you suggest they hire that’s available? No answer? Stop complaining.

    You want offensive lineman in next year’s draft? No answers? Stop complaining.

    Bevell is inadequate? Who is available? No answer? You get it yet?

    Hawks are 7-1. Best start in franchise history. 5 out of the next 8 games are at the Clink. We’re undefeated in our division and in our conference. Harvin, Okung and Giacommini should be back soon enough. Our schedule is fortuitous over the next few weeks before the bye before New Orleans and San Francisco.

    How about a little reality check?

    Yes, I’ve mentioned Hakeem Nicks but the trade deadline has come and past. You won’t hear much about him from me until the off season.

    Yes, I think Carroll has favored drafting defensive players in a similar fashion to Holmgren and his offensive players, but I’m not worried about it.

    Last year the focus was that we needed more pass rushers and we now have them. Next year it’ll be Offensive lineman and WR’s. It’s still next year.

    How about a little focus on what’s immediately ahead of us. Russell always talks about staying in the moment. It’s nice to have this blog to vent but nothing we say here has any impact whatsoever on the decisions that the front office and coach make. Get over it.

    Ok, I’m done…

    GO HAWKS!

  53. rramstad says:

    Very tired of the fire Cable talk. It’s the same arguments rehashed over and over again.

    I suspect that if we run for 200 yards this Sunday that some people here will claim that it’s just because the Buccaneers suck, and that the offensive line is still terrible, and Cable should be fired.

  54. RDPoulsbo, Port Orchard here. I would agree that there was a problem with the O-line if there had been a problem before the injuries started taking place this year. Since they got through the early stages of 2011 when they nearly got TJack killed, they have actually been playing pretty well. Last year after Breno got his early season penchant for personal foul penalties worked out, they did so well that they put 2 of their guys in the pro bowl and had one of them named all pro. I think they are going to be fine in a couple of weeks when Breno and Okung are back. If they are still struggling after that, well then we might have something to talk about.

  55. RDPoulsbo says:

    rlc, those 2 pro bowlers just happen to be the 2 guys Cable did not make personnel decisions with. I’m not calling for Cable’s job, yet, but he deserves plenty of criticism for his guys playing the way they do even when healthy. Wilson is a mobile QB that’s been covering up a lot of pass protection problems, but I’d argue that it’s worse now than it was when T-Jack was starting in 2011.

    Yes, the line play is going to improve once Breno and Okung get back, especially with the run blocking, but the pass protection has always been a problem. All the bootlegs and pocket movement are because they need to cover up pass protection issues, not because Wilson is short.

  56. yankinta says:

    RDPoulsbo,, no, you would not know.

  57. I’m good with the 7 and 1 spam.

    Don’t take my complaints / concerns about Sweezy and the o-line too seriously – I don’t. We are after all, 7-1.

    I was content to snipe away with the occasional (semi frequent?) Sweezy complaint until Pete said they are committed to him. I would rather that he said he was committed to improving the o-line and would leave no stone unturned. That’s what he used to say and do…..

    Not sure who said it, but I agree with whoever said that it seemed like Sweezy plays better with Breno beside him. Maybe its a case of dumb and dumber on the right side right now.

    Thank heavens we play Tampa Bay at home this week and looking forward to the return of Okung and Breno.

    Go hawks!

  58. Southendzone says:

    Do you think all the Hawk linemen will wear long sleeves & gloves this weekend to avoid MRSA from Tampa Bay?

    I would. I’m going to the game and I might dress up in a haz-mat suit.

  59. RDPoulsbo says:

    lol South, if the Schiano train wreck wasn’t the biggest story with the Bucs, the idea that they get weekly visits from the CDC would be getting far more play down there. What is with that?

  60. RDPoulsbo says:

    On second thought, Tampa visiting us is only going to cost us more in ticket sales to clean up after them.

    http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/23740727/2013/10/20/visiting-locker-room-in-atlanta-cleaned-for-mrsa-after-bucs-leave

  61. Southendzone says:

    I was reading a bit on that MRSA stuff in the NFL. Up to 1/3 of people have MRSA somewhere on their skin, if it gets into an unwashed cut or abrasion is when it’s a problem, that’s why O & D lineman are at greater risk.

    As the Buc’s are announced and run onto the field, we need them each to go through a Silkwood type scrub-down.

  62. RD, I guess you can go ahead and be concerned for all of us then. Cuz I’m not going to be. Part of the probelm is the tremendous athleticism of the defensive linemen in the NFL that Dave Bolling wrote about. Don’t know if its more prevolent now than before but it sure stands out right now. That is why the mobility of Wilson is such a great weapon for the Seahawks and one that Pete Carroll wants to exploit. The O-line just needs to give him a split second longer so he has a chance to react to those big guys that are trying to kill him. He has shown from the beginning that if he has half a chance, he is going to get away and make it hard on those guys and then going to make something great happen. I do believe that when Okung and Breno are back they are going to give him that split second longer more often than not. Then you are going to see him and Marshawn combine to wear out the defenses like we were seeing by the end of last seasons.

  63. ChrisHolmes says:

    “I just don’t understand why the brass aren’t dialing in more help for the ends? Forget the TEs and RBs in pass patterns, and keep them in for pass protection.

    Perhaps it’s becuase the WRs don’t get separation?”

    Possible. I couldn’t tell you without watching more film.

    I know this much, however: when you leave backs and TE’s in to block, you are taking away significant opportunities in the passing game. And I think Bevell and PC would rather put guys out into the patter and home Wilson can buy time with his legs, as opposed to making the passing game very predictable and limited by reducing the number of receivers in the pattern.

    TE’s and RB’s can’t block for the length of time (3-4 seconds) that a OL *should* be able to pass protect for (obviously our issue is that our guys can’t even block for one second).

    TE’s and RB’s are asked to chip and redirect DL off their routes; they’re asked to make a block for a split-second so it buys a QB that hair’s length of time necessary to make the throw (because the receiver on the pattern needs that time to run that route). But just saying, “Oh, leave the TE in to block” doesn’t magically fix the issue.

    There are ways to negate and slow down a hyper-aggresive pass rush. And Bevell, to his credit, tried those methods last week. But we couldn’t sustain anything even remotely like a “drive” in order to make those plays work and amount to something. There was a screen or two. There were some running plays. There were some slants and quick passes.

    And we shot ourselves in the foot with poor execution and penalties.

    If some slants were caught, and some runs not called back due to holding penalties, we might have seen even more screens and short passes and successful running plays as those drive continue to build momentum down the field. And perhaps successive plays such as those, gaining yards, would have slowed down the Rams pass rush enough so that we could be successful with other plays.

    But we just never got off the starting blocks.

    Ideally you want to create uncertainty for an aggressive defensive line. We never had the chance. We killed ourselves.

    We came away with a win. That salves the wound a bit. Let’s hope we can right the ship this week.

    I’m of the belief that if Seattle stops hurting themselves in that Rams game, they more than cover the spread and we’re not wringing our hands all week long.

  64. sluggo42 says:

    Good post Holmes..

    Fire cable…

  65. HawkyHann says:

    Agree with PDWay. Why did we use a 2nd round pick for the future? This is the Superbowl year. Looking at how pathetic our oline is, I’m not sure why we selected Michael and Chris Harper for that matter. Were we really that confident with hurt players returning-Okung and Carp, and really thought Sweezy is a lock. We messed up pretty bad there.

    Keep it simple for Michael. They are smart enough how to use him but not sure why he doesn’t ever see the field.

  66. chuck_easton says:

    It’s been said, hinted to, and glossed over several times from writers and the coaches comments. Michael needs to develop a better understanding of his assignments (i.e. you have to block as well as run the ball kid), and he needs to have a better understanding of the playbook.

    Michael looks like he is a very good back with the ball in his hands. He has to prove that he can also contribute when the ball isn’t in his hands. He won’t play on ST, and he has yet to show he could spell the word blitz if spotted with the letters B L T Z, let alone recognize a blitz when on the field.

  67. HawkyHann says:

    Picks 1-3 in 2013 draft have yet to play this season. And we all know our oline issues.

    Agree, Chuck, Michael can’t pick up blitz. Don’t use him that way. Throw him a screen,draw, and lets see if he can read blocks and run super fast down the field. I’m betting he can do that based on college and preseason film.

  68. Southendzone says:

    Can’t fault the Hawks for making picks for the future. Imagine if Green Bay had that philosophy, they never would have drafted Aaron Rogers.

    Best Player Available is a solid draft philosophy and you NEVER want to be forced into making a pick out of need. It works even better when you already have a strong team. Look at SF, they have Tank Carradine & that RB Lattimore waiting in the wings for next season and beyond. That’s ON TOP of having a ridiculous running game already and a pretty darn strong defense.

    In addition, if we are all in agreement that C. Mike can’t pick up a blitz, then whenever he gets put in the game, the defense can queue on the fact that a run/screen is coming.

  69. HawkyHann says:

    Danger Russ is this teams future. You need to protect him. If he goes down and Tavaris is called upon, there is no Superbowl at all, and we’ll be saying, next year, again.I want it now. The core was there heading into this draft. We whiffed hard at securing oline talent for the now and future. They better not get Russ injured. Sweezy, McQ, Carp, and Bowie(why is he in the nfl). Now we also have to cross every finger Okung wont get hurt again-care to make a wager on that one, and that Breno will come back in shape and not get hurt again.

    8-1 and panicking about our oline heading down the stretch.

  70. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED&tabSeq=2&season=2013&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false

    At the risk of inserting facts, stats, and potentially some reality into the daily hyperbole about the o-line, they have the second least starts of any line in the NFL. The team averages 4.4 yards a run. Seven lines have given up as many sacks or more. 6 teams have given up more QB hits. And don’t tell me it’s only because they have RW. Roethlisberger, Tannehill, Pryor, EJ Manuel, and Geno Smith are all mobile QBs.

    Don’t twist this and claim that I am saying that this is a good o-line. It’s not, I’m not and have not once this year. But this BS about them being the most inept line in the NFL is just that, BS. And this is a very young line. They are missing 2 starters, have one playing hopelessly out of position, and they also had Unger out/or hurting. Cable seems like crap at evaluating o-line prospects in the draft if he truly was pushing for these guys, but he has a history of success. Keep some perspective. He’s certainly not above criticism or reevaluation of his position here after the season.

    Football Outsiders has the Hawks’ line 18th in run blocking and 31st in pass blocking thus far. Again with numerous injuries. The only list this line is 32nd on is a list a poster here pulled from his nether regions. No serious offense meant. Don’t take it too seriously.

    P.S. Check out the crappy power running totals for the Hawks this year. Did the loss of Mike Rob have something to do with this? Perhaps.

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