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Tweet link: Schefter says Seahawks trying for Jared Allen … or not

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 29, 2013 at 10:08 am with 115 Comments »
October 29, 2013 11:28 am

So Adam Schefter is having a full day. He’s now backed off from the original tweet this morning about Jared Allen. This is the world we live in.

The trade deadline is 1 p.m.

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  1. RDPoulsbo says:

    Why? Don’t they have enough DEs? How about a guard?

  2. Wow. Really?

    Love Jared Allen – but is that what we really need?

    Who would we cut?


  3. ESPN today at 4:00 pst E60 on Lynch

  4. How do they work him in? While the Seahawks have a lot of good pass rushers, they don’t have that stud closer like Mathis, JJ Watt or “The Mighty Quinn.” Maybe Allen brings them that.

  5. put him at Left Tackle.

  6. “While the Seahawks have a lot of good pass rushers, they don’t have that stud closer like Mathis, JJ Watt or “The Mighty Quinn.” Maybe Allen brings them that.”

    Clemons is probably the closest we have, and Bennett has been very good this year too.

    What do you figure it takes tradewise to get Allen? 3rd round pick?

  7. yankinta says:

    pdway,, No way,, let’s give them a 4th instead. :)

  8. If the bidding goes crazy, it could be 3rd or 4th but I am hoping it will be a 5th rounder (the Flynn pick).

    Bennett and Clemons are solid but they haven’t been closers (ie at Indy or at STL). They’ve been disappearers.

  9. SaigonSun says:

    Hell yeah. Allen for Avril, a fourth rounder and my ex wife

  10. Southendzone says:

    What? This is nuts! His cap # is huge.

    Of course “Vikings are talking to 2nd team” that’s the exact kind of baloney that they used to extract so much from us on Harvin.

  11. NYHawkFan says:

    Makes no sense. Are the Hawks working on a double trade? Obtain Allen, then bundle him with another player and dish them off to a team in exchange for what we need, i.e., offensive lineman?

  12. And @Mortreport says the Vikings are asking a second-round pick for Jared Allen but would consider a conditional third-round pick.

    Too high for me personally.

  13. Southendzone says:

    Allen’s base 2013-2014 salary is 17M.

  14. Southendzone says:

    The Hawks don’t have a conditional 3rd round pick to give, Minnesota already owns our 3rd rounder.

  15. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Don’t we already have the max number of former Vikings players on the team?
    I don’t get this. The D line has played pretty well most of the season. This team needs guards, guards and tackles on the Woe-Line.

  16. “And @Mortreport says the Vikings are asking a second-round pick for Jared Allen but would consider a conditional third-round pick.

    Too high for me personally”

    I tend to agree – esp when it’s not a position of need right now. If there was a Guard available for that price, i’d be much more inclined.

    Thinking about it – if the reports are true that it’s the Niners and Broncos that are also interested – – Niners have a ton of extra high round picks right now. They could easily throw a 2nd or 3rd rounder to Minny for him. I just haven’t watched Allen lately, don’t know how much he has left.

  17. NYHawkFan says:

    If Rice’s knee injury is serious, we could use some help at WR as well. There are rumors of Josh Gordon and Larry Fitzgerald being on the trading block. For the right price, of course.

  18. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Allen has been a stud player, but age and salary are both on the bad side. This could jack us into cap hell like what the Cowboys will be facing next season. This seems fishy. Did we lose one of our D line last night to major injury that nobody is talking about?

  19. Dukeshire says:

    How many DEs does this team need? There aren’t enough snaps to get the ones they already have on the roster on the field. Good lord. How about an o lineman?!

  20. Any WR that takes up that much of the cap is a bad move, even if it’s Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson. The Browns want too much for a player who is just one strike away.

  21. Are they Mad?!

    Look at our offensive line! Those guys get worse, not better. We need two G’s, two T’s and a C! Not another DE!

    To me, this is an indictment of Avrils play. Also, it says Irvin will never play DE.

    What about Schofield and Mayowa?! They are not JA, but they are young with upside.

    Hell, trading for Tony Gonzalez makes sense; this makes no sense at all! And what about the cost in cap space?! Allen ain’t cheap! What about paying/extending our guys?!

  22. Dukeshire says:

    Southendzone – He’s dues $7.5 for the remainder of the season…

  23. Maybe the Seahawks are in just to drive the price up for the 49ers.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    STTBM – Irvin has been playing really well at Sam. That’s his present and future on the team.

  25. Southendzone says:

    Mo12, that take seems very possible, maybe Clemons elbow flared up or something.

    If we can fit him this year somehow through maybe a MINN restructure of the current year contract, we should be OK next year since JA will be completely off the books next season.

    It could definitely mean not having some carry-over salary that we might have had access to though.

  26. SaigonSun says:

    We should trade Bevell, Rice and Avril for cheeseburger,fries and regular drink.

  27. Think about it. We trade a two in 14 for Allen. He signs somewhere else in the off-season for big bucks and we get a comp third round pick in 15. I like it. Would rather have Joe Thomas on headline though.

  28. While I appreciate the opportunist that John Schneider has shown himself to be, there is a reason why Ozzie Newsome is always in contention with the Ravens.

    Case in point…Eugene Monroe. That trade was a heist of magnificent proportions but mostly flew under the radar at the time. 4th and 5th rounders for a 1st round franchise tackle.

    We’re good, our team is good, we’re in the cat bird’s seat and yet we haven’t done anything yet. Jared Allen is a tremendous player but we need lineman of a different kind.

    I didn’t think we’d be trading for anyone today, but once again, it looks like I was wrong. It’s getting interesting.


  29. PFT says based on Allen’s age, prior contracts and not being a QB, the best Comp Pick is a 5th rounder.

  30. The conditional third we “traded” the Vikes was based on Harvin playing. Don’t think that third is gonna happen.

  31. Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 17m
    On reports of Seahawks pursuing Jared Allen: Anything is possible. But SEA source say interest is vastly overblown (& have just $2M in space

  32. Good clarification pans. Thanks.

  33. yankinta says:

    pabuwal,, Allen is willing to take a discount to play for us.

    Tom Pelissero tweeted…”I’m told Jared Allen is willing to redo his deal for the right situation. Three hours left to trade deadline. Stay tuned.”

  34. yankinta says:

    TODD,, Will you please look up the details of the conditional third we traded to the Vikes for Harvin?? Maybe you already know.

  35. Southendzone says:

    Pabs, was the Harvin 3rd a conditional 3rd, or a straight up 3rd?

  36. The conditional third probably has something to do with actually playing in a game.

  37. Singularitarian says:

    Lol. Seahawks just blowing smoke. 0% chance of this happening. Also I haven’t posted in a month and I’m posting “too fast”

  38. Southendzone says:

    If we trade for Joe Thomas, I will wash John Schneider’s car every week for the rest of the football season. And bake him muffins every Sunday home game.

  39. I think it’s a conditional mid-round draft pick in 2014, whatever that means (3-4-5?).

  40. Singularitarian says:

    by the way I’d like to take the time to call out all the “fans” that have done nothing but crybaby after a divisional road game win against an overlooked, under rated team with one of the best front sevens in the league, desperate and hungry against our patchwork offensive line. Last I checked the defense was on the field all day, allowed only 9 points, and we improved to 7-1 and 3-0 in the division. Did anybody expect that St Louis would be an easy road game pre season? you need to get your expectations in check and enjoy the best start by Seattle ever. The glass is 7/8 full my friends, and you all are acting like ship jumpers

  41. “All” of us? I think not. Telling lies is worse than whining, IMO.

  42. The reality is it is likely that the Seahawks will have to go into SF and beat a very good 49ers team to prevent becoming a 14-2 wildcard team.

    A 14-2 wildcard team that has to travel to 8-8 Dallas to face off against the Cowboys in the early Sunday Wildcard game. No one wants to see that.

    At some point these road games against average teams will have to be settled before the final minute for us to have faith they can win in SF.

  43. Singularitarian says:

    ? not even sure what you are talking about. Who’s fibbing?

  44. Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
    Seahawks not expected to trade for Vikings DE Jared Allen now. One source said the Seahawks have decided to not actively pursue him.

    It didn’t make much sense to begin with.

  45. Singularitarian says:

    You mean the SF team that we pounced on 5 weeks ago? All I’m saying is if you told me pre season we would go to ST Louis minus our two starting tackles, I would have said I’d be ecstatic if we came out with a win. That happens and everybody flips because the Rams have struggled given a small sample size

  46. The Seahawks beating a team at home almost seems to have no bearing on their performance against the same team on the road.

    If Kellen Clemens played in Seattle last night, that game would have been 24-6 just based on cheap Defensive points alone.

    You are almost saying you are more confident about the Seahawks going into SF and winning then STL. Have you watched the 49ers play lately? They are under some kind of “no mercy” rule.

  47. Real head-scratcher, this news, but I’ll be glad if it’s true Seattle isn’t actively pursuing this trade. DE is not a priority.

  48. ChrisHolmes says:

    “How many DEs does this team need? There aren’t enough snaps to get the ones they already have on the roster on the field. Good lord. How about an o lineman?!”

    I know, right?

    Who would be available though?

    We have pass rushers… I’m not sure Jared Allen changes this team’s record or post-season outcome at all.

    But a tackle… now that would have an impact. Even a guard.

  49. Singulitarian–you sir, can kiss my hairy butt. Don’t know where you get off calling into question anyone’s fan card, but I for one will continue to complain because a blog is for expressing an opinion. And it’s my opinion that Seattle has royally screwed the pooch by trusting incompetent Cable to pick lineman and trusting he could turn chicken poop talent into chicken salad. And that’s likely to ruin the greatest Seahawks team ever’s shot at a SB win.

    7-1 means nothing if there are so many cracks showing a SB seems as far as it ever was..

    This team isn’t going to win a playoff game unless and until the line improves dramatically, and I for one can’t see that happening. And I’m pissed about it.

    And I’ve been rooting nonstop for Seattle since 1983, through it all. I’ve never wavered in my passion for the Hawks, and I never will.

    You don’t like reality, you wanna smoke happy koolaid crack, be my guest; but don’t you dare question anyones fanhood. That’s Troll behavior.

  50. doubledink says:

    A lot of us are ticked because while we are leading the game this coaching staff refuses to run the ball (our strength) on their run defense (their weakness) while watching our only legitimate hope for the postseason getting killed in the backfield.

    One yard or no gain is better than -8 for a sack or continual hits on the QB.

  51. All right, that was too far. Apologies to Singulitarian. Painting you with the brush from all the other morons who like to call out anyone who dares complain..youre not responsible for anyone but yourself, and your comment didn’t deserve my response.

    I was out of line–heat of the moment.

  52. Maybe we can use Allen at DE and move Big Red to OT …

  53. doubledink says:

    SF will crush the team that played last night. If we lose that game in SF we will lose this division and be on the road at 10 AM the first 2 playoff games, again. It doesn’t matter what our record is at that point. Everybody’s record will be 0-0 week one of the playoffs.

    They are at the point of pissing away the best chance this franchise has ever had at a Lombardi Trophy. And there are plenty of us who are sick and tired of watching it happen. From QB sneaks on the one to icing a kicker along with the myriad of other bonehead calls this staff tends to make at crunch time.

    I love what they have done to rebuild this team and I could gush about many things, but sometimes they can’t get out of their own way and it is infuriating.

  54. Sounds like talks broke down when Allen refused to switch to OT

  55. as I said in another post- the only reason we are complaining is because we can see the SB from here. of course we all know in the big picture that these are awesome days to be a Hawks fan. All (or most) of us have lived through many more down years than up.

    But this year we’re not looking at inching into the playoffs – we are looking at teams like SF, Denver and N.O. as the roadblocks to a SB title. That’s why the frustration on this Tuesday morning.

    Everyone here loves this team — nobody is jumping ship. A little venting doesn’t hurt anyone.

  56. FleaFlicker says:

    Speaking of former Minnesota folks….any word on Sydney’s injury? Might be time for Doug and Jermaine to step it up.

    Dang, I hope we get to see Percy on Sunday.

  57. Singularitarian says:

    no worries. I pushed it calling people’s love out. I know you all bleed this team. My point is we won a game on the road. I don’t think it was pretty. But good teams just figure out a way to win ugly games. I too am not as sure Cable is a genius like I thought he was at the end of last year. I also remember being nearly as down on the line last year at the midway point last year with a healthy line. I knew the game would get ugly and was sweating this one all week. We’ll blow out Tampa Bay next week, be 8-1 and then have the bye to figure out a plan with the line. I think that some of these guys got some valuable experience. I think Cable learned that Mcquistin is not the answer at left tackle. Now he’s got to figure out what’s next. I personally like getting a wake up punch in the face midway through the year, especially when that punch leaves a W imprint in the Seahawks’s forehead

  58. Let’s see how the Niners do against Carolina and at New Orleans before we write 14-2 next to their record in permanent ink.

    I know they’ve got it going lately, but they’re the same team that lost 29-3 to seattle and 27-7 at home to Indy.

  59. “I think Cable learned that Mcquistin is not the answer at left tackle.”

    I’ve got to think he already knows, and Carroll knows too. These are not stupid guys. The only answer must be that McQ is the best option they’ve got. Which sucks, and is a failure.

  60. thursday says:

    ANyone remember that Ravens/Chiefs game last year? I watched that game, the Ravens looked awful and only won it 9-6 against the very woeful Chiefs. I’m sure everyone knows how that story ends.

    Point being, I don’t think we should necessarily expect the Seahawks to string together a bunch of dominating victories on their way to the Super Bowl. SOmetimes it’s simply the tougher team that wins out. Not the team with the flawless road to the big game. See: 2012 Ravens, 2007 Giants.

    I didn’t like that game last night, but I do like the result and I do think this team is tough, regardless of what else happens.

  61. doubledink says:

    pdway and sing, well said above. SB or bust around here.

    But SF is not the same team that lost those two games. They have fixed it. I’m confident we will too but that doesn’t mean I have to be patient while they do.

    Go Hawks!

  62. Singularitarian says:

    Ohh yeah. And the qb sneak thing. I like Wilson having the keys to the car. I don’t think he’s selfish. It was his decision and not Bevell’s. I think he saw his shot twice in a row and went for it. a shoestring tackle and a close one are not failures in my opinion. It also was Wilson trying to save his ass later in the game. He was sending the message “Hey! you want to crash around the corner every play, I will come arounf you every play. Twice on the goal if I have to” I think he legitimately thought he had a better chance to score and has historically been very on point in that regard. The defense made 2 good plays and the ball got in the endzone anyway

  63. doubledink says:

    Aside from my bitching, that game was a huge gut check for this defense. The D was fantastic last night. They were relied upon to pull their team out of the fire and to hang in there and not break for a painfully long time. They showed what they were made of last night. That win will reap big dividends in confidence down the road this year.

  64. NYHawkFan says:

    If it was just one game in which the Hawks sputtered there would likely be few complaints. However, our OL has been exposed for what it is, below average, and teams are shaping their defense to exploit that weakeness, which compounds our problems. Last night, for instance, we couldn’t even use one of our strengths, the running game, because we were too busy trying to patch holes in the dyke. Of course, another explaination could be that Bevell kept Lynch’s snap count down in order to teach him a lesson for the public display (finger) last week. I say this because Carroll admitted that he also was upset that Lynch didn’t get more touches. Hopefully, Carroll sat the two of them down and settled matters so they can move on.

  65. A few days back a lot of us were looking at the Seahawks easy schedule for the rest of the season and thinking about 14-2 or 15-1. But some thought that along the way there might be a stinker or 2 against one or more of the weeker teams we faced so 12-4 or 13-3 might be more realistic. Well, last night we got a stinker. But somehow the Hawks pulled it out, whew. I know that everyone at our house was standing or on the edge of their seats on that last play. We all gave a loud cheer and then let out sigh of relief when we saw that ball hit the ground in the end zone. Games like that are hard on me. I’m too old for that. But a wins a win, especially on the road. Let’s go get’em next week.

  66. I find it interesting that Coach Carroll was talking about how Clinton McDonald was calling the defense during the Goal Line Stand. Talk about a turnaround. He gets cut, re-signed and now is having a heck of a season. Either PC & JS are geniuses for finding this guy, or not so smart for cutting him, and getting lucky they were able to re-sign him.

  67. freedom_X says:

    I had to think about why I’m so upset after a win. It’s true, in the NFL, even an elite team is going to have some dud games that they’re “lucky” to win. And I know that.

    But I finally figured it out. Trending and accountability.

    Trending – the offensive line is getting worse and worse, not better. That’s why I am extra-revolted at the putrid play of that line. The play was so shameful, those players and coaches were stealing their paycheck. In no way shape or form did I have the impression those guys were battling and just overpowered or facing adversity (loud crowd.) And the last 3 games they’ve been doing less and less.

    Accountability – I rarely throw darts at the coaches, but here’s where I rant. I want to know why we chose to run so little against a team ranked 30th in run defense. I want to hear the coaches explain why they kept calling pass plays when the line could not protect *at all*.

    I want to know why the coaches aren’t concerned about Russell Wilson being beat to a pulp – not only calling pass plays, but then compounding it by calling 2 bootlegs in a row on the goal line when you have Marshawn Lynch at your disposal.

    I want to know why they continually left the tackles isolated with no help in blocking, even though they were getting killed and kept getting killed until the end of the game.

    This is accountability, if they explain this stuff. I sense smugness and self-satisfaction from those coaches coming into the game (“We don’t gameplan for other teams, we do what we do.”) Except, with epically bad pass protection, they chose to show off their high-octane passing attack, at least so they think in their minds.

    I’ll feel better if they take accountability, or be more mad if they just decline interviews and say “we need to be more intense and focused.”

  68. Freedom….very well said.

  69. While the Seahawks are starting Tackles that should not be playing, not every Sack is on the OL.

    Sometimes the Seahwaks WRs just can’t get off their man fast enough causing Wilson to have to hold the ball. And when he has to hold the ball and the pocket collapses, he must escape the pocket because he can not throw from a collapsing pocket due to his height.

    Here is a good example, a third and 5. On the replay, you’ll notice when the pocket starts to collapse, Wilson is already trying to bail rather than stepping up to throw to a wide open Kearse streaking across the field. He bailed right into the sack when he could have stepped up to buy a little extra time and then hit Kearse. He would have been hit as he threw but he would also have had a 25 yard gain.

    The only way to solve this is to either build a fortress line or have WRs beat their man immediately off the snap. Not many teams have this fortress line.

  70. MoSeahawk12, when I said that you were being like yanker last night I was trying to say that some of your comments were as asinine and reactionary as many of the things you’ve killed yanker for IMO. I wasn’t trying to say that you were like him most of the time. I think you are an important contributor to the blog. Steam needs to be blown off sometimes. As I said, I’ve said some stupid spit on here. Not trying to condemn you overall.

    Also, I wasn’t trying to say that you are a bad fan for criticizing the team. I apologize for that if you construed it that way. There’s certainly plenty to criticize from that game. I think burning Tate’s jersey because of one play is not really being a good fan, but it sounds like you have a history of issues with Tate. I don’t remember you ever complaining about him before, but it certainly could’ve happened. Just like your have the right to your opinion, others have the right to respond to your opinion. My intent wasn’t to suggest you are an idiot or bad fan overall.

    Georgia, you’re so right. All I care about is criticizing Seahawk fans. Very insightful. I just call a spade a spade. Everyone has the right to vent and be reactionary and illogical on here. Better here than in real life. I don’t understand the point of irrational hyperbole though. I just will try not to read it anymore. There’s plenty of negativity on here without myself adding to it.

  71. thursday says:

    I agree with a lot of that, freedom. The abandonment of the run especially was baffling. The potential loss of yards running into their stacked box is not more than Wilson getting sacked or throwing it away. But there’s the upside of Lynch getting through plus the defense being forced to take the kind of punishment he dishes out.

    So yeah, the lack of run + horrible o-line play is not something I’m forgetting immediately, that’s for sure.

  72. The other way to solve this is to tell Wilson just to run immediately for the first down when the pocket collapses. On this play, it looked like he was trying to buy time behind the line of scrimmage to make a throw. I thought he could have taken off had he made the decision quickly.

    If they are telling him to not to run as much to avoid hits, its stupid because they are telling him to get hit by much larger players after a negative gain rather than getting hit by smaller players after a positive gain. I got the sense this week they were going to tell him to limit his running and that’s a huge huge mistake.

  73. Even though Russell Wilson has been sacked quite a bit lately and taken down hard at times, I guess I’m just not as worried about that as others seem to be. I’m more worried about, okay not worried, more like concerned that he might twist a knee or sprain an ankle than ever be taken out by a big hit. He seems to have that inate ability to move or relax into a hit that keeps him from actually getting hit head on. Steve Largent had that and Emmit Smith too. One time the great Raiders cornerback, Lester Hayes said “Tackling Steve Largent is like hitting a ghost. I get set up to hit him hard and then there is nothing there.” It looks to me like Russell is like that too, plus he is a very sturdy young man. Strong in the legs and butt. He is just a very unusual QB is lot of ways. I like what John Gruden said last night, “I just don’t know if I’ve ever met anyone quite like Russell Wilson.” I’m not saying he is never going to get taken out by a big hit, I’m just not worried about it or expecting it.

  74. The lack of chipping on the DEs, calling more screens, and moving the pocket is more baffling to me than not sticking with the running game. The Rams were stacking the box and forcing them to throw. They banked on getting pressure before any receivers could get open. And they were right with the lack of answers that the Hawks coaches displayed. Bevell, Carroll, and Cable have forgotten more about football than I will ever know, but it was certainly confusing last night.

    P.S. It seems most people here must not be Mariners fans. Many here would surely slit their wrists year ago.

  75. Either PC & JS are geniuses for finding this guy, or not so smart for cutting him, and getting lucky they were able to re-sign him.

    Or a little of both and he is making the most of his 2nd chance with the Hawks :)

  76. thursday says:

    lol @ the Mariners comment. No I’m not an M’s fan. Anyone who is is pretty diehard, I must say. But the Seahawks have had some awful years, so I know what it’s like to put up with a bad team.

  77. SlickToxic21 says:

    Hit the nail right on the head freedom!
    Absolutely a win is a win, and we’ll take it….but we were so outcoached and just had a ridiculously bad “game plan”, that didn’t involve Marshawn and company. It’s not like we were down and had to pass. We were up, and could’ve kept running the ball to protect our QB!
    I’d like to find out their thinking on this one.

  78. grizindabox24 says:

    I wish everyone would quit complaining about the “QB sneaks”. Both plays were read option and both time RW decided to keep the ball. They were not called QB runs. Those decisions fall on RW.

    Also, I do believe JS/PC inquired about Allen, but I am sure they kick the tires on any name that comes up as available. The entire thing was blown out of proportion by the media scratching for anything to report.

  79. I’m not willing to say that SF is all that just yet. Let’s see how they do their next 3 games – Carolina at home then the Saints and Redskins on the road.

  80. GeorgiaHawk says:

    bbmate- You should know better by now that you are unlikely to see many rational posts on game day. Especially when it looks like the Seahawks are under performing.
    If it looks like I post something stupid on game day about you or anything else there is a chance that I’m not thinking it through.

    I will be the first to admit that I’m Beerational on game day. That’s just the way it goes with most Football fans.

    I think I posted something silly about Tate has to go yesterday but today I don’t feel that way.

    Relax and have a few beers next Sunday and try not to take all the posting that day too serious.

  81. Dukeshire says:

    grizindabox24 – Technically speaking, they weren’t read-option. Wilson did make the decision to keep the ball and roll to the open side. But from a purely Xs and Os perspective, neither were read-option. In any case…

  82. GeorgiaHawk says:

    BTW- Even though Tate had a taunting penalty on that TD catch, we have to give him credit for keeping his pants up.

  83. rramstad says:

    NYHawkFan “holes in the dyke” does not mean what you think it means.

    The correct spelling is dike, unless you are thinking of something very very different.


    a long wall or embankment built to prevent flooding from the sea.
    synonyms: embankment, levee

  84. Very funny, rramstad.

    Georgia, fair enough. I should know just to probably forgo reading the blog on nights of games like this or losses.

    P.S. Where do you find this stuff? Pretty funny.

  85. Find us a servicible back up tackle and sit Bowie’s lazy ass down. I’m tired of seeing the guy reaching to block instead of moving his feet. That don’t cut it in the NFL. You HAVE to move your feet.

    Just watch, every team in the league is going to load 8 in the box and rush 5 or 6 every single down until we learn to stop it or get Wilson injured.

  86. Do you spose, if we traded with Sarc for his OL to play for SEA this coming Sunday anybody’d notice?

  87. NYHawkFan says:

    My bad, thanks for the correction. Holes in the “dike” was intended to be metaphor, as in our OL is the dike and it had way to many holes last night. :-)

  88. GeorgiaHawk says:

    No bbmate, don’t skip them, just remember to not take some posts serious on game day.

    Maybe Duke or someone else can help me out but I think it was Chuck Knox that would take sometime after each game to let the emotions settle before evaluating the game.

    BTW- Even though the Seahawks looked awful at times against the Ram’s, I take pleasure in knowing that Jim Harbaugh was in shock that the Ram’s couldn’t punch it in at the end of the game.

  89. Seahawkfan78 says:

    Does anyone else think taunting is a dumb penalty??? I like it. It sucks when it happens to us but it adds some fun into the game. These guys are paid to be entertainers, let them entertain…

  90. Wilson only ran the ball once other than the goal line plays and that was the play that set up the first TD.

    Are they telling him not to run so he doesn’t “get hit as much?”

  91. Dukeshire says:

    Georgia – Yeah, Chuck was big on that. Giving himself and the team some time before letting the media in. Of course, things are different in today’s can’t-get-enough-coverage game.

  92. you really think the UW oline is decent?

  93. MoSeahawk12 says:

    bbmate, I appreciate the follow up and last night I was providing a few asinine comments no doubt. However, being compared to yank on any level was insulting for sure. I usually try and avoid reading or posting during games like last night because, one, I’m pissed and two, many posters are pissed and the emotional overload stirs everyone up. I generally try not to rant as there are plenty here that cover that area. Last night just got the better of me as these guys were just getting their butts kicked. I’ve seen that before as I’ve been watching these guys for thirty plus years, but last night just seemed so out of character for this group. Then to have Tate act like he caught his very first pass was just too much for me at that time. In a game in which the other team is dominating you, you don’t need to do dumb crap that throws more fuel on the fire, gives them potentially great field position that could have cost your team a win. My wife pretty much called me an idiot, and I agreed. Heat of the moment and I lost my cool.

    The Rams looked ready to play and our guys looked ready to get back on the plane. I understand they will lose some games and that is ok as long as they show heart. Yes, I know they won last night.

    The Texans game was brutal and I don’t think they had much business winning that game, but they played with heart and finished. Last night looked ten times worse and before The Texans melted down, I doubt there was anyone that would say the Rams are a better team.

  94. WiscCory says:

    Just checking in, with a few obvious comments from the game.

    The play where Wilson fell out of the endzone to avoid the safety was an incredibly important play.

    It was apparent that Wilson’s #1 objective was ball security, and it seemed to impact his approach to bailing from the pocket.

    The O-line kept coming back to the sideline to the same spot on the bench with frustration oozing out of them. I have to admit, it was oozing out of me, too.

    However, I’m not exactly sure what I’m frustrated at. Is it the poor effort and technique, lack of support on the ends, lack of fire in Cable? Anyway, I’ll just say that was the most frustrating thing about the piss-poor offense.

    Rams fans wanted to talk Pharmacy and adderall. Go old quickly.

    I hung with the crowd at ESPN postgame, and slapped 5 with Sherman. Awesome times. Feels college-like or cultish. It matches my 1983 and 2005 experiences. 7-1, and the play will get better…

  95. chuck_easton says:


    We’ve now had almost 24 hours to stew over last nights performance.

    We all can agree it stunk.

    I’m sure we all can agree that that type of play will not get it done going forward.

    Everyone has their personal belief about who was to blame, why, and how, but at the end of the day the team just wasn’t where it should be if they want to consider themselves a true contender.

    We can all disagree on how things will look going forward, who should be benched, fired, cut, court marshalled, shot at sunrise, but the status quo is not acceptable.

    Now we just have to wait patiently to see what Carroll and his group are going to do to fix it. It’s on them, not us.

  96. WiscCory says:

    Forgot to mention a couple more things:

    – Irvin’s INT was right in front of our seats, and it was AWESOME.

    – The flags were ridiculous. Those hitting a defenseless receiver calls were rotton.

    – Browner seemed to play really well last night.

    – Does Kearse need to be on the field more? Is that why he dropped that ball last night?

    – Hawks goalline play calling needs to be addressed and fixed quickly.

    – I regret that Tate’s “me” attitude is part of the face of this team to the national media. The stylish punt return (no-TD) against the Cards, and now this stupid taunting move. He’s pretty immature.

  97. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Sidney Rice TORN ACL!! According to profootballtalk… We need Percy real bad now.

  98. That sucks.

  99. Looks like I won’t need my Rice jersey ever again.

  100. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    You have probably seen the last of number 18. Anyway next man up.. This doesn’t change our gameplan, we still need to block better.

  101. He played his last down for the Seahawks. He had a decent year last year, but that knee surgery he had in August just killed his ability. I think his decline from last year to this year is one of the reasons the Seahawks Offense has struggled in man coverage.

    Anyone ready for some Channel 83?

  102. I think Kearse a guy that some fans see in a limited basis and think is good. Then when he’s forced to play all the time, teams can cover him like it ain’t no big deal (and he ain’t no big deal). I hope Kearse does well and while I think he’s a fine #4 type guy; I think he sucks in terms of other starting WRs in the NFL.

  103. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I actually would use Luke Willson more and take advantage of his receiving skills. He’s a big target with speed.

  104. xcman – the question was if anybody would notice. That’s a bad question for an NFL OL (unless you’re talking maybe Bama’s OL – I’m sure UW’s OL plays well enough for the Pac 12) for an NFL OL’s play to compare to a college OL.

    Interesting review of the game:

    Juggle the OL: When M.Unger played for Oregon, he played LT for them for 25 games prior to transitioning to C like his final year. He played that position well, OR needed him to play C, which was a position of greater need for their ZBS.
    If Max’s left arm is OK, maybe put Lem back at center and move Max to LT. Keep Carp at LG – he had a good game at STL per PFF, leave Squeezy at RG – even though he got called for 2 critical penalties (I never saw them), and go ahead and keep Bowie at RT. He gave up 2 sacks, but other than that he did OK.

    Don’t ask for F.Omyale, he wasn’t that good when he was here.

  105. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yes it does suck.

    I don’t care what folks say about Rice,( and I have said in the past that he is not a true #1 receiver) but at least he was clutch in many situations last year, and this year.

    If Rice is gone then we have no big WRs, and more importantly one less clutch receiver.

  106. If Wilson can win without tackles, guards, and wide receivers – I may have to reconsider thinking that Luck is the one player in the NFL I’d take over Wilson if I had to start a franchise today.

  107. Pete was on the radio with Brock & Danny this morning saying that Russell had the option on both plays at the goal line to hand off to Marshawn and he didn’t. He said that he probably should have. Those plays didn’t look like read options, but maybe they were…

  108. doubledink says:

    they were not read options. just changed plays.

  109. Losing Rice makes me even more sick to my stomach than watching our OL last night.

    Not good.

  110. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Unfortunately I have to agree with you on Kearse BobbyK. I still have nightmares of all his drops at UW. And just when I think he is over that I see another one yesterday.

  111. There were 2 dropped passes last nite, one by Kearse and one by Tate. Both drops were covered by Trumaine Johnson who seemed to be mighty busy with his hands for no PI calls…

    ML played 36 snaps, 9 run snaps, 14 snaps he went out into pass patterns (caught his one target for 4 yds), run blocked 5 times and pass-blk’d 8 snaps. Of his 9 run snaps ML actually ran the ball 8 times for 23 yds (2.9 avg). Of those 23 yds, 16 came after first contact. STL only gave up one missed tackle on Lynch.

    R.Turbin played 8 snaps, 3 runs, 4 passes, and 1 pass-block. RT caught his one pass for 16 yds. One of RTs runs around RE he was met by the defender 2 yds in the backfield and made it back to the LOS for no gain. On his 2 other runs he was met by defenders at the LOS and still made 2 yds on one and 3 yds on the other, for 7 yds after contact, and 5 positive yds rushing.

    RW played 45 snaps: 3 run snaps, 28 pass snaps, and 14 run (handoff) snaps. At passing, RW threw 15 aimed passes, and threw the ball away 3 times. Receivers dropped accurate passes twice, and caught 10 for 135 yds. RW threw 3 inaccurate passes (or passes where the receiver wasn’t where the ball was thrown). RW threw 2 TDs and no picks, for an overall NFL QB rtg (for aimed passes) of 135.8. How well did RW deal with the pressure:
    no pressure: 9 of 13 for 135 yds, 1 TD, NFL Rtg 129.3
    pressure: 1 of 5 for 2 yds, 1 TD, NFL Rtg 79.2

    no blitz: 6 of 9 for 113 yds, 2 TDs, NFL Rtg 149.3
    blitzed: 4 of 9 for 26 yds, NFL Rtg 51.6

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