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Morning links: Harvin and Robinson return to help Seahawks gas up

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 23, 2013 at 6:00 am with 133 Comments »
October 23, 2013 12:45 am
Percy Harvin walks off the practice field with quarterback Russell Wilson on Tuesday. / AP photo
Percy Harvin walks off the practice field with quarterback Russell Wilson on Tuesday. / AP photo

Good morning.

Well, a busy day yesterday in Seahawks land. Today will be more quiet. The players are off, as are the media.

For today’s paper, I wrote about the returns of wide receiver Percy Harvin and fullback Michael Robinson. We talked about this a bit yesterday, but their presence reinforces the feeling that the Seahawks are getting reinforcements at a time a portion of the league is going in the wrong direction with injuries.

Of course, that said, that could bite the Seahawks just as quickly.

One thing we didn’t talk much about yesterday was the break the Seahawks have received after playing a short week last week. Safety Earl Thomas said he thought everyone’s gas tank “was on E” after Thursday night. Tuesday, he said he felt rejuvenated.

The Seahawks are still a month away from their bye week.


> Here’s Michael Robinson talking some more about his road back to the Seahawks.

> The Seahawks are No. 4 in ESPN’s power rankings.

> The Seahawks are No. 1 in the AP power rankings.

> Lots of videos from the day on

> LaDanian Tomlinson’s top five running backs from last week has a Seahawk on the list. You’ll never guess who.

> Quarterbacks Austin Davis and Brady Quinn were added to the Rams’ roster.

> The Rams will turn to Kellen Clemens to take over at quarterback.

> ESPN says don’t expect much from the Rams’ new quarterbacks.

> MMQB looks at the role of helmets in head trauma.

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  1. Great pic! I’m really excited to see how MRob and Percy compliment this team and can only imagine what it could be like when Okung, Breno and Bobby Wags are all back in the fold. We’re so fortunate to have this team to root for.


  2. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Such a late bye week. Hopefully it helps them gear up for the stretch run and the playoffs…

  3. CDHawkFan says:

    Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I along with a few others thought the Titans game was the worst played by the Hawks this year.

    Has that much changed in just a week?

  4. sluggo42 says:

    I didn’t think Percy was that big. I mean I know RW is a midget and all, but I was thinking Percy would be like a Baldwin sized guy. Ya know, the little shifty speedball. But he has a gnarly physique… Oh boy, can’t wait to see how he eases back in.

    Also remember this other little toy we have called Cristin Michaels. Someday soon, and I’m hoping its Monday nit too, we my finally get a glimpse of that human rocket ship too…

    So many weapons, so little time….

  5. yankinta says:

    Tie-Breaker Questions for those that may know: :)

    If our Seahawks and 49ers end up with 14-2 records at the end of the year. Who would have Home Field Advantage? I heard that 49ers would. But how is that possible??? We would split head to head, and the other loss would be to the same opponent (Colts). Division and Conference record would be the same?

    How would the tie breaker work in that scenario? Will we become the first ever 14-2 wildcard team?

  6. dirtbiker_joey says:



    If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

    Two Clubs

    Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    Strength of victory.
    Strength of schedule.
    Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best net points in common games.
    Best net points in all games.
    Best net touchdowns in all games.
    Coin toss

  7. yankinta says:

    dirtbiker_joey, lol, I can look that up too. But I don’t know why one of those rule would apply in this scenario? Please explain, if you know. :)

  8. chuck_easton says:

    If Seattle and SF both finish 14-2 and that is assuming they split their head to head SF would win the tie breaker.

    This is because the team have almost identical schedules, they both lost to the colts.

    So it comes down to strength of schedule.

    There are only two games for each team that they don’t play a similar opponent.

    Seattle has the Vikings ( 1-5) and the giants (1-5). SF has the redskins (2-4) and the packers (3-3)

    They play the better teams so SF wins the tie breaker.

  9. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton or dirtbiker_joey,, what is the difference between Strength of victory and Strength of schedule?

  10. chuck_easton says:

    Strength of victory – if you play all the same teams it comes down to which team won by a larger margin.

    Strength of schedule – who played the teams with better records.

    Can’t use strength of victory here because they don’t play all the same teams.

  11. Dukeshire says:

    Not just one, but two sets of worthless, er, power rankings. Joy… lol

  12. yankinta says:

    Wow,, that’s possible too,,49ers could possible win the rest of their games,,, and in that Scenario, Seattle would become the first ever 14 win Wild Card Team, and we would have to go on the road during playoff…,, smh…

  13. Dukeshire–lol!

    On the injury front, Im very worried about Tate’s shoulder. We need him to make this offense go, even with Harvin. Rice is the only guy we can afford to lose, and of course its Tate who gets hurt..damnation!

    Cant wait to get Okung back, I was afraid his loss would be felt rather hard, but this is getting ridiculous. At least Miller is back.

  14. chuck_easton says:

    Sorry, strength of victory looks at which team beat teams with better records.

    So SF wins on that tie breaker.

    Strength of schedule is who played higher ranked teams.

    So SF beat GB and say Seattle beats the Giants. If by some miracle the giants and GB finish with identical records, but GB is first in their division and the giants are second in theirs, SF would still win the tie breaker because they beat a first place team and Seattle beat a second place team.

  15. HawkFromDay1 says:

    Well we also hosted a playoff game after winning the division at 7-9. So ya know… karma or whatever…

    I think we (all of a sudden?) have the same complaints the Saints had. The only difference of course is that this actually happened to the Saints, and all of our rage remains hypothetical at this point.

    My favorite kind of rage, obviously, is hypothetical rage.

  16. yankinta says:

    Yeah, looking at 49ers schedule, they only 2 hard games left too…. They could win out the rest of their games and we still would end up as a 14-2 wild card team….

    @ Jacksonville
    vs Carolina
    @ New Orleans
    @ Washington
    vs St. Louis
    vs Seattle
    @Tampa Bay
    vs Atlanta
    @ Arizona

  17. montanamike2 says:

    It’s easy, just go to SF and win, beat the Saints at home simple as that.

  18. montanamike2 says:

    I know, i know, easier said than done, but i’m optimistic.

  19. yankinta says:

    montanamike2,, you don’t get it, even if we beat the Saints at home,,, 49ers could win out and win the division,, that’s my point… so we gotta go to SF and win a tough road game to get HFA, while winning all the other games…

  20. sluggo42 says:

    That’s right mmike, just go to SF and beat the stuffing out of them…
    Just remove all doubt

  21. Dukeshire says:

    Talking about home field advantage is fun and all, but there’s a long way to go. Seattle makes it to the bye in fine shape, and then I’ll really begin to entertain those thoughts. Perhaps it’s a defense mechanism, but there are far too many variables at play for me to get that far ahead. Again, that’s just me…

  22. montanamike2 says:

    It would sure send a strong signal if we did crush SF on the road.

  23. I think we’re about six week too early to be discussing tie breakers. Mark my words, at least one of these teams (Seattle, SF, NO), probably two or even all three, will lose a game they are not “supposed” to lose. They will NOT finish with a combined 41-7 record.

    Thankfully for us, the coaches and players take it one game at a time and focus on winning this week. As long as they keep that mentality and play up to their abilities, we’ll all be at a victory parade in February.

  24. Dukeshire says:

    Having said all that, home field would give Seattle 4 home games in a row, with a bye week, heading into the Super Bowl…Carry on.

  25. I believe the tie breaker would be Strength of Victories and the Seahawks vs Vikings/Giants and the 49ers vs Packers/Redskins would be the deciders. The 49ers have already beaten the Packers and assuming they will also beat the Redskins and that the Seahawks will beat the Vikings/Giants, then the 49ers victories will be against teams with better records. Those are the only 2 games that are different on their schedules.

    I just think the Seahawks need to beat the 49ers and the Saints (along with everyone else). Then having the Saints beat the 49ers down in NO would be nice too. That would solve all of it.

  26. yankinta says:

    I don’t think it’s too early for Fans to start thinking about is,, Especially because the rest of the schedule for Seahawks, 49ers and Saints are very very WEAK….

    NFC is down this year, Each of these 3 teams should win 12-14 games.

  27. montanamike2 says:

    Thanks for the reality check OrrObb, one can only dream….
    Thanks Duke for encouraging “my dream” scenario.

  28. montanamike2 says:

    Can’t we just outright win the division if we win the rest of NFC West games?

  29. Too early to think about home field advantage? Of course not. We’ve been touting our home field advantage for years and I bet most of us would agree that our home field advantage is huge and would make the road to the Super Bowl much easier. So, we’ve been thinking about home field advantage since before training camp.

    If you go back and read what I wrote, you would see that I said it is too early to be discussing tie breakers. With only 7/17 of a season’s worth of data, a lot of assumptions need to be made in evaluating scenarios. Teams will lose when they aren’t expected to. Some teams will get hot, others will go cold.

  30. banosser says:

    rlc said it… “having the Saints beat the 49ers down in NO”

    would solve it all… which is a very distinct possibility..

    tho I’m guessing there will be an unexpected L in the mix some where

    If not.. we really see what we’re made of in SF.. I would expect a W there if it came down to it

  31. montanamike2 says:

    I know the whiners are about to have their bye, but Carolina’s rolling right now and i’ve never rooted hard for them before but i’ll give it my all.

  32. yankinta says:

    OrrObb,, I agree.. but the first 7 games have told us who the pretenders and contenders are. Especially in the very WEAK NFC,, that’s all. I mean, isn’t it clear to you by now who the contenders are in the NFC?? Maybe you need more time. :)

    That’s why I said, Each of these 3 teams should win 12-14 games and therefore not too early to be thinking of Tie Breakers….

    But with RW leading us,, I don’t mind being the first ever 14-2 Wild Card Team,, wouldn’t that be something!!? :)

  33. aelliott11 says:

    Easy solution – beat the Niners on Dec 8. Then it’s all decided!

  34. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I don’t think Carolina and Washington will necessarily be easy games for the 49ers. Especially since they are both still trying to make the playoffs, and if Griffin continues to get more healthy he could be tough to stop.

  35. montanamike2 says:

    Home Field advantage with the 12th man….
    Is 15-1 unreasonable?

  36. The 49ers will have four tough games in the second half with the Panthers, Redskins, Saints, and Seahawks. Probably won’t happen but I’m hoping they lose all of them.

  37. What if Green Bay wins out and finished 14-2? A possible scenario with their weak division and easier schedule moving forward. Or maybe the loss of Jermichael Finley will cripple them.

    What about Carolina? Have they really turned the corner? Will they give NO and SF trouble in their upcoming games?

    Are the Giants really that bad? Or will they have figured things out and knock off the Seahawks on December 15.

    How about Washington? RG3 is getting healthier and may be able to make a game out of it when SF goes there for the November 25 Monday night game.

    When will Crabtree come back for SF? He’s ahead of schedule according to info coming out of SF. How will that impact things?

    And, of course, they big question mark is injuries. Nobody can possibly predict injuries that will impact any of these teams.

    The point is, there are way too many unknowns seven games into the season to start intelligently evaluation scenarios.

  38. yankinta says:

    OrrObb,, I agree with most of those,, but I still do not see a 12 win team from those teams….maybe it’s just me… :)

    So, just for fun, who are the Pretenders after the first 7 games for you? And the Contenders?? Or you still need more time.

  39. Goal 1 – Win NFC West
    Goal 2 – Win all home games
    Goal 3 – Stay healthy

    If we can play .500 ball on the road (or better), I think we’ll have a 1st round bye. As much as I’d love home field through out, I have as much confidence in this team to win on the road as I ever have of any Hawks team. We’re in good shape. Just go 1-0 every week. The rest will take care of itself.

    All this other speculation is just filler. The focus is the Rams. Period.


  40. Who said anything about doing our evaluations intellegently OrrObb? Not sure that can be a requiremant or a lot of us are going to get eliminated pretty quickly.

  41. Southendzone says:

    Definitely focused on the division games. I see SF as the biggest threat in the NFC, they are getting stronger just like we are. They are getting close to having players return. They are the defending NFC champs. They have the best O-Line around.

    Biggest game the rest of the way is @ SF. Assuming nothing else flukey happens, that is where we earn the division and our playoff seeding.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Seattle and KC have very similar stats on D so far, then I looked at KCs schedule. Lol.

  43. chuck_easton says:

    Team hasn’t even assured themselves of a play-off appearance yet. For all we know everything could go south and Seattle finishes 6-10.

    There is going to be another loss (or three) for Seattle. SF may not win out. The Saints have yet to play Carolina and have to do so twice.

    So much could happen in the next 10 weeks. That’s right, there are still 10 weeks of regular season football left. Haven’t even reached the half way point yet.

    But what yankinta points out is Seattle could finish as high as 14-2 and still not have a home field playoff game. That is a harsh reality to hit some fans in the face with this early in the day. But it is a reality.

    This is why I keep my mantra that nothing is guaranteed, Seattle has still never won anything, and Seattle can’t call themselves a true Championship team until that nice silver trophy from Tiffany’s is securely behind glass at VMAC.

    Sure, this has been a great year so far. Expectations are running at peak levels. But that little voice in my head keeps telling me to stay humble, stay grounded, hope for the best, but expect the worst.

    The rules to not angering the football gods:

    1. Don’t talk about playoffs until you secure a spot.
    2. Don’t talk about winning the Division until you have done it.
    3. Don’t talk about the SB until you are at least in the Conference Championship game.
    4. Don’t call your team a Dynasty until there are a few winning seasons and at least one (or more) trophies to go with it.

    Now back to our dreaming of sunshine and lollipops.

    ( This public service announcement has been brought to you by the Department of Dreamshattering, Harsh Reality sub-division)

  44. wazzulander says:

    Yankita – why weren’t you concerned about home field/tie breakers a few weeks ago when you wanted the 49ers to keep winning so as to show we have the best division in football? smh. Finally realize there is no award for having the subjective “best division”?

  45. rlc – LOL, I think we get a lot of both around here, intelligent dialogue and ignorant drivel.

    yank – as for contenders and pretenders, depends on your definition. Which teams have a legitimately strong shot at representing the NFC in the Super Bowl? Seattle, San Francisco, New Orleans, Green Bay. Nothing Earth shattering there. Who has no shot? Tampa, Minnesota, New York, St. Louis. Everyone else is in a middle ground and could hit a hot streak, peak for the playoffs, catch good teams at a bad time, or just plain get lucky. With 9-10 games left to play, nobody is out of it.

    I think Detroit, Carolina, and Washington could potentially come out of that group to challenge the top four teams.

    There are some teams that are better than their records, including the Giants, Atlanta, and Washington. Look for each of those teams to have a few big wins and finish with better records than they have now. Without even potentially making the playoffs, they will impact the conference standings and playoff seeds. Similarly, there are some team, like Dallas, whose records are suspect. I’m not convinced Dallas will even make the playoffs, let alone win their division.

    Then there are the unfortunate teams whose seasons are ruined because of key injuries: St. Louis, Chicago. Green Bay is weathering a storm of injuries right now, and it will be interesting to see how they come out of it.

    One of the many strengths of the Seahawks is their depth and the ability to overcome injuries. Even with several significant injuries in their thinnest position group, offensive line, they have overcome and continued to win. The biggest disadvantage the Seahawks (and SF) have is playing in the same division as one of the other elite teams.

  46. You’ve got to excuse Seattle fans for not knowing all the rules Chuck. We’ve very rarely been even close with any of our teams. And for many of the fans it’s been so long that they were very young or maybe not even alive that last time a team around here contended. So let them have their fun. As long as the team stays focused on the Rams I think its okay for the rest of us dream a little.

  47. hawkdawg says:

    Losses to the Bucs, Vikings, Cardinals and Rams at home would be huge upsets. Feel good about those. Toughest home game left is Saints, obviously.

    Giants might be tough, if only because it’s the week after we play the Niners, but it’s hard to see a team that plays anything like the Giants played last Monday sticking with us for 4 quarters. Same deal for the Rams–it is difficult to see them playing us even for 4 quarters, even at home.

    As others have said, maybe the biggest game we don’t play is the Niners at the Saints. If we can go into the Niner game on the 8th with a two game cushion, it’s all gravy.

    But this is why they play the games. As our captain says, amnesia about the past, ignorance of the future. Just go 1-0 this week.

  48. chuck_easton says:


    Dream away! I do it all the time.

    I hope to win the lottery, but I plan to have to keep working and make my current paycheck cover the bills.

    I hope to live a long healthy life, but I plan on having to do everything I can to stay healthy and get through each week.

    I hope to celebrate a Seattle Superbowl victory in my lifetime, but as it’s already been 37 years of rooting for this team I plan as if this season might very well end just as the previous three decades of seasons ended.

    37 years of ‘wait til next year!’ is getting old (and so am I, just had the big 5 0 last week).

    I want to see that celebration so bad I can almost taste it. But I also have that stupid reality of team history, that I have lived through for each and every year since 1976.

    OK, now let me tell all you youngins about having to walk 10 miles to school, in the snow, up hill, BOTH ways…

  49. I’ve got you beat Chuck. I recently had a birthday too and I was born in Sept, 1953 if that tells you anything. I’ve experienced all of ups and downs (mostly downs) of Seattle sports for most of my life. And I’m very excited for what appears right now to be an up time for the Seahawks that might last a few years. I was predicting 16-0 for this season but I had to adjust that a few weeks back so now I’m going with 15-1.

  50. GeorgiaHawk says:


    Something I just read about Peyton Manning-

    “Apparently even a guy with a noodle for an arm and the athleticism of Cher can still have one of the best quarterbacking seasons in NFL history. That should speak volumes about the asset Manning has between his ears.”

  51. Carolina, Seattle, Washington, and NO will be tough games for the Niners. Each of these teams has the potential to beat them. Then, as others have pointed out, there are always upsets, every week…

    Long row to hoe before we can seriously talk homefield advantage, or playoffs even. But like Dukeshire pointed out, four home games in a row would be amazing…

  52. chuck_easton says:

    Just heard from Cher. She is VERY offended by that comment. She wishes to remind all that for a woman of her years she looks quite stunning and could still run circles around that Manning kid…

  53. Mannings arm was plenty strong until he took a hard shot a week or two age. He was ripping them early in the season, and even at his worst has a stronger arm than Hasselbeck, who while not exactly T-Jack, wasnt Flynn either.

    But yes, Manning oughtta donate his brain so science can study it; hell, they should be studying it now through brain scans…

  54. Screensmoke says:

    The last thing I would ever want is to go 14 and 2 and be the wild card team- I’m with others in here – way to early to be thinking playoff scenarios atleast for game at a time and we r good-

  55. yankinta says:

    OrrObb,, I agree with your first 3 contenders but I would not add Green Bay to that list. They still have too many holes imo, to win 12 plus games. Plus Detroit and Bears aren’t that far behind.

    Players and Coaches worry about the next game and taking one game at a time. Fans do not have to. For those of you still saying, let’s take it one game at a time, still do not get the concept of Football Blogs…. this is a football blog, that’s what we do here, we speculate and predict about the future,, otherwise no one would come here….. :)

  56. Screensmoke says:

    If we were all as smart as you yank and “got it”then this wouldn’t be a seahawks blog- we would all be niner fans

  57. Southendzone says:

    Chuck & RLC, I’m with you both, old-timer that’s gonna go absolutely nuts when we finally get our SB. It’s gonna be so great I’ll buy a beer for all the crusty old TnT blog veterans (list to be determined at my discretion)

    Not Yanker though, not gonna get busted for supplying alcohol to a minor.

  58. chuck_easton says:


    But the point is still this. Seattle fans have a reputation on the national sites of being overly boastful and talking as if the team is already in the Dynasty catagory.

    I have the same problem with SF fans who love to boast about their ‘5 rings’. I just remind them that the 80’s was a fun decade. Neon clothes, great dance music, I still had all my hair… But what has SF done the LAST 20+ years that is any better than Seattle? Nothing.

    BUT, they do have 5 of those pretty silver trophies to look at. I WANT ONE FOR MY TEAM. Um, sorry to shout.

    Once Seattle joins the ranks of the NFL haves and leaves behind the havenots this team will be looked at differently by the East Coast guys. Until then, we will continue to be the team with the loud fans, the cold wet weather, and the bright neon uniforms that has never won anything.

  59. NYHawkFan says:

    Keep in mind that SF is also gaining strength at the right time. They will get Manningham and Crabtree back about the same time that we get Okung and hopefully Giacomini, which will open up the SF offense significantly. With that said, I still thing we’re a more balanced team and will beat them in their house. It will be a very tough game, though, because both teams know that HFA is on the line and that winning the NFC West means a lot (bragging rights) to each team.

  60. NYHawkFan says:

    Sorry for the muddled explanation. Of course, I meant to say that getting Manningham and Crabtree back will open up the SF offense, not because we’ll be getting Okung and Giacomini back!

  61. yankinta says:

    Southendzone,, lol, I don’t do alcohol. I do drink beer sometimes… :)
    Chuck, I get it…. I’m just talking about possibilities….14-2 wildcard team is unheard of…it is mind blowing, imo.

    wazzulander, I wasn’t concerned about home field/tie breakers 3-4 weeks ago because it was still too early….I’m not worried about 49ers… Like I said before,, with RW leading us,, I don’t mind being the first ever 14-2 Wild Card Team,, wouldn’t that be something!!?

  62. Yesterday I noticed post after a NBC sports story that was giving Seahawk fans a hard time because we are 37-0. 37 seasons, 0 Superbowls. I thought that was funny because the 49er franchise started in 1946 and won their first Superbowl in 1981. So in a sense I guess they’re a little better because they were only 0 for 35 before they won one. Of course the Seahawks actually made to a Superbowl after only 29 seasons. Maybe that gives us an edge.

    Sure would be great if the Hawks could go on run for the next decade and a half like the 49ers did through the 80’s and early to mid 90’s. Maybe our 3rd round QB can come up with a career somewhere close to what their 3rd round QB did.

  63. chuck_easton says:

    But if we do want to look into our crystal balls I see one scenario that will be just too familiar for Seattle.

    Look back to 2005. Seattle was the better team, had the better record, and by all right should have been the favorite and the winner of XL. East Coast guys still called the team pretenders, frauds, and interlopers.

    Combine that with the NFL machine wanting to have that ‘feel good’ story about Bettis winning a Superbowl in his home town, in his final season, and riding off into the sunset.

    All of the sudden Seattle is the afterthought and the game ‘somehow’ had a bunch of calls that assisted Bettis in his fairytale ending.

    Now let’s fastfoward to this season. Seattle looks good. Could very well be there in February. And who is the most likely guy that’s going to be standing on the other sideline? None other than that All American ‘feel good’ story boy of Payton Manning coming back in his later years to lead a new team to the big dance.

    Just like 2005 I see a situation that even IF Seattle gets there, even IF we have the better record, even IF we belong, the story line will be all about Payton and his dream season. Payton and his quest to get one more trophy before he retires.

    Once again, because I’m a long suffering Seattle fan, I see a situation where our second appearance on the big stage will be as the guys in the black hats. Once again Seattle will be the team that is ‘in the ways of the fairytale story’. And, dare I say it?, the team that somehow has every situation, every call, and every possible game changing moment somehow go against them.

    So, yes, if I sound like the wet blanket, I’ve come to that position from experience and years of outright frustration and heartbreak.

    I wish I could have your sunshine and happiness attitude, but I’ve learned over the years that the light at the end of the tunnel is almost always a train…

  64. Screensmoke says:

    What is really mind blowing is thinking that it would be something to be 14 and2 and be a wildcard team- do u realize how hard it is to go on the road in the playoffs and win- the last thing we would want is this

  65. yankinta says:

    Screensmoke,, lol, I got nothing but love for you. :)

  66. montanamike2 says:

    chuck_easton i’ll follow your rules to not anger the Football Gods. Blog is pretty lively today for a non practice day.

  67. chuck_easton says:

    Thanks Montana! And if things magically do break in a favourable direction we should consider a Mountain Timezone Party location! I’m thinking watching the SB from a ski lodge somewhere would be ideal.

  68. montanamike2 says:

    I have a ski lodge across the street.

  69. chuck_easton says:

    :) And I’m only an 1 1/2 hour drive from some of the best Skiing in the Canadian Rockies. Lake Louise. Family has season passes. It’s something I never got to do growing up in Bremerton. It’s a fun thing to do as a family.

    AND I can keep up with the 16 year old, but he does do all the tricks, spins, jumps and stuff. My attitude is just get down the hill and enjoy the view.

  70. montanamike2 says:

    Chuck one day i’m coming up to Calgary, i hope we get to watch a game together.

  71. chuck_easton says:

    Standing invitation!

  72. From a 7-9 division winner to a 14-2 wildcard in five years. . . that would be epic. Though, don’t think for a minute that’s what I want to happen.

  73. ChrisHolmes says:

    @chuck_easton Your nightmare scenario is something that has already crossed my mind. The NFL loves its sentimental stories…

    I, for one, would still love to see a Seattle/Denver Superbowl.

    For starters, it would be pretty cool to put two former AFC West rivals into a Superbowl. All those years of Elway burning us… Revenge would be served cold.

    Then there’s the whole NY/cold-weather angle. You’d have two teams from colder climates in the big show. That seems appropriate. None of this nonsense about “how well will the dome team do in this cold weather Superbowl?” Forget it.

    The whole dichotomy of Russell Wilson vs. Peyton Manning. The up-and-comer vs. the old veteran. Good story line there.

    But mostly… I just think we’d win. Our running game and defense on a cold (possibly snowy) field against Manning and his receivers? I’ll take that.

  74. Screensmoke says:

    Hurd Jason laconfora talking ab

  75. Screensmoke says:

    About KC run defense this am- found it interesting they r giving up 161 a game

  76. raymaines says:

    Andy Reed seems a shoo in for coach of the year.

    I’d love to beat both Mannings in NYC.

    If the Seahawks go 14-2 and only get a wild card, I don’t think I’d worry about their ability to play on the road. At least not for the first two games.

  77. The 2011-2012 Pete Carroll teams are loads better than that 2005 team was. The 2005 team was fortunate that they played only 2 decent teams on the road (and lost both), played in a very weak division, squeezed out a few FG victories at home against 2 of the teams with the winning records they did play, watched Jim Sorgi play most of the game for Peyton Manning when the Colts came to down and played no Division Winners in the playoffs.

    There has been a reason why the “East Coast Biased Writers” never gave the Seahawks their due the past 37 years – because it wasn’t deserved.

    It is now deserved and the praise is being received.

  78. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    All you guys and gals must be speaking a differenet language then me. Not really sure what you people are talking about or I just don’t understand the words, because at this point of the season i’m only worried about our championship game on Monday against the Rams.

  79. Screensmoke says:

    Me too mike- when it really comes downt to it- how r those giant tickets in NY- price dropping?

  80. yankinta says:

    lol, yeah Mike, sorry we don’t speak New Jerseyan…. :)

    Looking some Mock Drafts for fun: I’d like to get Austin Seferian-Jenkins too if he drops…. our TE group would be set next year with Miller, Willson and Austin Seferian-Jenkins.

    btw, I hope JAGS pick Marcus Mariota, with the 1st overall pick. That dude is a real deal and a much better version of CK.

  81. Screensmoke says:

    Colt LYERA would be my choice for TE-

  82. Seahawkfan78 says:

    I hope Mariota stays in Oregon at least one more year.

  83. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    Probably still high I haven’t checked, and because the Giants won the other night. Gmen fans still think they have a chance to win their division.

  84. We’ve gone from playoff scenarios to next year’s draft? Wow, now we’re really getting ahead of ourselves!

    So, who do you guys think RW will thank first in his HOF induction speech (after God, of course)? Pete Carroll, John Schneider, the 12th Man, or Ashton?

  85. jchawks08 says:

    Now, that’s funny OrrObb! I mean I get all the speculation talk and it doesn’t bother me, because as I think Yank stated, this is a blog and we leave the ‘1 game at a time’ talk up to the players and coaches. We’re just fans of the team whom have nothing to lose by speculating on the rest of the season. And yes, I guess next year’s draft. lol..
    By the way, after Jesus/God of course, RW thanks the 12th man.

  86. rramstad says:

    I would welcome Denver to the Super Bowl vs. my Seahawks. We have the superior running game and if the weather is bad it’ll play right into our hands… I also see what the Colts did vs Denver, and I believe we can do the same thing, only better. (Press man, with lots of pressure from our front four.)

  87. Chuck–Jesus, Man! Dont jinx it by speaking of it–the nightmare might indeed return! Ive thought quite a bit about Goodell and his ref-monkeying in SB 40, and I had hoped to leave it behind. The big difference now is, that IF Seattle gets to the big dance, Carrol can show them lowlights of SB40’s bad calls to 1) Pump them up and 2) remind them not to lose their laser focus if the bad calls begin to pile up. I think this team will win no matter what, refs bedamned!

    Folks on the blog were talking about a Montana get-together for Seahawks fans. Hell, if they make the SB, we should do it. Montanamike2, HelenaHawk, and I all live here, and there might be a few more…not sure how far away Calgary is, but as an attorney perhaps you can afford to fly lol!

  88. Screensmoke says:

    Russell would definately thank- Yankita first and foremost!sorry gents couldn’t resist

  89. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Thats some funny stuff Screensmoke. A few years later, Luck might do the same……

  90. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Speaking of deserving HOF….no love for Walter Jones this year. Wasn’t a finalist and that’s just wrong. The guys that get into the Hall of Fame are certainly deserving, but did the voters watch Mr. Jones dominate for the better part of a decade?
    You deserve to be there Walter, all the 12s know!!

  91. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Sorry, I was looking at the wrong HOF. Thought it was the wrong time of year as it happens right before the draft. Gil Brant just posted the BCFHOF list. All this playoff, Superbowl talk messed me up.

  92. Whaaaat?! Walter Jones not a finalist for HOF?! Dude was the greatest OL in the history of the NFL, bar none. He was still tops in the NFL when he blew his knee and had to have reconstructive surgery. He should have been inducted unanimously his first time…

    There is no justice in todays NFL. Thats the price he pays for being drafted by that team in South Alaska…

  93. Whoops, all worked up over nothing…laugh away guys!

  94. I heard that the HoF has removed Largent and Kennedy from the HoF because Goodell demanded it. Goodell then had their stats vacated, because he has that type of power.

  95. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Sorry STTBM, I did the same thing as I read the news from Twitter on my phone. People probably thought I was going all road rage. Sorry to post before I had a chance to reread the note. Stupid Twitter….and stupid me!!
    We all know Walter will go in next year. Back to your regular scheduled afternoon, sorry again.

  96. Todd, did Pete mention how/when Golden hurt his neck/shoulder area? Reason I ask, is I am curious if it happened when he took the punt return to the house and did that dive/flip into the endzone? He sure loves to showboat, and i’d be annoyed if that’s how he got hurt.

  97. Todd Dybas says:


    Carroll said it was on a hit. I’ll look back at the tape and see if there was a time when he took a good shot.


  98. Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s how Tate hurt himself. I’ve always suppected that Marshawn hurt his back with one of those backward flops he used to do when he scored. Notice he doesn’t do that anymore. Kids, what are you going to do?

  99. Thanks Todd.

    Ya i remember the one against Atlanta when marshawn did the flippy doo into the endzone and he hasnt done it since. I would Imagine Pete got on his case about that. I can’t put their shoes on and know what its like to get tot score a TD in an NFL game, but they need to be smarter than that. That is my only complaint about Tate. He is a showboater and is always doing little things that annoy me. Like stopping and starring into the crowd after a measley first down when he should be running back to the huddle to continue on. On the other hand, that is my favorite thing about Baldwin. He would make a 50yd TD to win a game, hand the ball to the ref and get back to his teammates. Sometimes its the small things.

  100. Thanks for the link sandpoint, yes that’s the play i was talking about. So unnecessary, even if the TD was not called back.

  101. MoSeahawk12 says:

    After much delay….Finally Rain City Redemption episode 3. This is a really great series. We might draft a stud QB in this part…spoiler alert!
    This episode is about 47 minutes long. Hopefully this makes up for my earlier mistake on the HOF post.
    Enjoy all!

  102. doubledink says:

    Football joke of the week:

    Q. What do you give Peyton Manning when Tom Brady steps onto the field?
    A. The Heimlich Maneuver.

  103. doubledink says:

    We all loved the same thing about Largent… Act like you’ve been there before.

  104. SandpointHawk says:

    Holy moley Mo, thanks for the link, first I’d heard of Rain City Redemption…

  105. Pabs–Har!

  106. doubledink says:

    I can so relate to the wet-blanket turn of events this team’s fans have endured over the years. It makes you almost afraid to hope sometimes. The single biggest fear I have for this season is Wilson’s health. I think we could weather the storm of anyone else going down, but not him. That is the root of so many rants on here about the OL, imo. If we don’t protect him, all of their potential and our optimism is for naught.

    C’mon Cable. Figure this thing out! Then fix it!

  107. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Here’s Rain City Redemption part 1 SandPointHawk. Part two will be back up soon.
    Awesome series. Gives me chills and shows how far this team has come under Carroll and John Schneider.

  108. freedom_X says:

    Saying the 2005 Seattle team didn’t deserve praise from the “East Coast” is a application of college football thinking to the NFL. All NFL teams are much more evenly matched than college teams. The worst NFL team is far more competitive against the best NFL team than the worst college team against the best college team. Why do you think the point spreads are so close compared to college?

    Any 13-3 NFL team is a top rank, high quality team. No NFL team “lucks” (as opposed to “Lucks”) into 13-3. The parity in the NFL is why a 10-6 NFL team has a reasonable chance to prevail in the playoffs and win everything. The idea that a 13-3 team is somehow unworthy of recognition is a baseless one. You could say one 11-5 team might be better than the 13-3 one, but it’s ludicrous to say they aren’t in the same class.

  109. Todd Dybas says:

    Hey, folks.

    I’ll add this in here (it will probably be in Morning Links tomorrow, too), if you want to check it out.

    Richard Sherman wrote about concussions today for MMQB. It’s an interesting take.


  110. montanamike2 says:

    I’d be down for a Montana get together even if i had to drive a bit.

  111. montanamike2 says:

    Sherman tells it like it is once again.

  112. montanamike2–It’d be fun. If we dont make the SB–God Forbid!–perhaps in early summer? I bet we could get some folks to come out, if we beat the drum enough–and if I promise to be far less obnoxious in person than in my comments!

  113. AKhawkFan says:

    I read earlier on here that the Cheifs were giving up 160+ yards on the ground. I looked it up and they are giving up 109.9 yrds per game. Not sure where that came from.

    For the sake of conversation. If…IF we made it to the big game, would you rather it be a shoot out game against Denver or a defensive low scorer against someone like KC?

  114. doubledink says:

    Well said. I remember Hass on the cover of SI near the end of the season and other national props given that year. SA made many appearances on Fox Sports talk programs too. Salley mounted a personal campaign to “pay the man” for SA. They were asking him all about what his next TD celebration would be, yada, yada.

    And this season we are definitely getting our props.

  115. doubledink says:

    KC is about to get exposed when they meet Den and SD, imo.

  116. AKhawkFan says:


    Trust me I see them getting exposed also. I still can’t believe they are undefeated. My point was, would you rather play a superior defense with a mediocre ball control offense, or a superior offense with a mediocre at best defense?

  117. doubledink says:

    A superior defense with a mediocre ball control offense. By that I assume you mean their D is better than their O, rather than better than our O.

  118. Teams deserve recognition when they go on the road and beat good teams. That almost never happened during the Holmgren era.

  119. doubledink says:

    2005 we went 5-3 on the road. But one season does not an era make. We did get recognition that year though.

  120. The 2005 team was 0-2 against teams that finished the year with a winning record.

    Did they go on the 11 game win streak because the team came together or because the schedule got easier? The Holmgren teams generally went on runs when the road schedule eased up.

  121. 0-2 on the road that is.

  122. Week 1 AZ went into STL and lost 24 to 27. AZ was slightly better than STL at pass and rush offense, run D, and pass coverage, but weaker at blocking and pass rush.
    Week 2 STL went into ATL and lost 24 to 31. ATL was significantly better than ATL at both pass and rush offense and somewhat better at run defense, and STL was better at blocking, run D and pass coverage.
    Week 3 STL went into DAL and lost 7 to 31. DAL was significantly better than STL at passing, blocking, defense and special teams.
    Week 4 SF went into STL and won 35 to 11. SF was better than STL at rushing and run blkg, about equal at passing and pass blkg, and better across the board at defense.
    Week 5 JAX went into STL and lost 20 to 34. JAX ranks last or near last at offense, defense and special teams.
    Week 6 STL went into HOU and won 38 to 13. HOU was slightly better than STL at passing, and significantly better than STL at rushing, run-blkg, run D, pass rushing, and special teams, but worse at everything else.
    Week 7 STL went into CAR and lost 15 to 30. CAR is better than STL across the board at every category except pass rush.
    Week 8 (Monday nite) SEA will go into STL and should come out with a win. SEA has advantages over STL similar to ATL, except that SEA’s pass rush is also better than STL’s.

  123. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Thanks Mo for the link. I just finished watching Rain City Redemption episode 3. Well worth it.

  124. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Why Starbucks of all places?
    Someone needs to tell the Seahawks organization what the owner of Starbucks did to the Supersonics and his example of poor leadership.

  125. Screensmoke says:

    KC-rushing my bad read it wrong on I phone-4.8 yd average

  126. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Is there anyway you could get and compare Wilsons first seven game stats last year to Wilsons first seven game stats this year?

  127. 2012
    wk1 SEA 16 @ AZ 20
    no pressure 12 of 20 for 107 yds NFL QB rtg 53.5
    pressure 6 of 14 for 46 yds NFL QB rtg 75.3

    wk2 DAL 7 @ SEA 27
    no pressure 11 of 15 for 120 yds NFL QB rtg 118.7
    pressure 4 of 5 for 31 yds NFL QB rtg 92.5

    wk3 GB 12 @ SEA 14
    no pressure 8 of 13 for 102 yds NFL QB rtg 111.7
    pressure 2 of 8 for 28 yds NFL QB rtg 81.3

    wk4 SEA 13 @ STL 19
    no pressure 10 of 13 for 92 yds NFL QB rtg 56.1
    pressure 7 of 12 for 68 yds NFL QB rtg 39.6

    wk5 SEA 16 @ CAR 12
    no pressure 17 of 19 for 205 yds NFL QB rtg 107.2
    pressure 2 of 6 for 16 yds NFL QB rtg 2.8

    wk6 NE 23 @ SEA 24
    no pressure 14 of 21 for 235 yds NFL QB rtg 143.8
    pressure 2 of 6 for 58 yds NFL QB rtg 70.1

    wk7 SEA 6 @ SF 13
    no pressure 8 of 14 for 95 yds NFL QB rtg 78.0
    pressure 1 of 9 for 27 yds NFL QB rtg 0.0

    wk1 SEA 12 @ CAR 7
    no pressure 17 of 21 for 228 yds NFL QB rtg 127.8
    pressure 8 of 12 for 92 yds NFL QB rtg 89.6

    wk2 SF 3 @ SEA 29
    no pressure 6 of 9 for 84 yds NFL QB rtg 96.5
    pressure 2 of 10 for 58 yds NFL QB rtg 45.0

    wk3 JAX 17 @ SEA 45
    no pressure 11 of 15 for 164 yds NFL QB rtg 148.3
    pressure 3 of 6 for 38 yds NFL QB rtg 70.1

    wk4 SEA 23 @ HOU 20
    no pressure 12 of 17 for 123 yds NFL QB rtg 91.1
    pressure 0 of 6 for 92 yds NFL QB rtg 0.0

    wk5 SEA 28 @ IND 34
    no pressure 11 of 17 for 150 yds NFL QB rtg 132.0
    pressure 4 of 14 for 60 yds NFL QB rtg 15.2

    wk6 TEN 13 @ SEA 20
    no pressure 16 of 21 for 156 yds NFL QB rtg 96.5
    pressure 7 of 10 for 101 yds NFL QB rtg 102.5

    wk7 SEA 34 @ AZ 22
    no pressure 10 of 16 for 107 yds NFL QB rtg 82.0
    pressure 8 of 13 for 128 yds NFL QB rtg 134.0

  128. adamtoth says:

    Well Chuck, about your Manning story line, this Seahawk team has a number of its own. The third round draft pick that was too short to play in the NFL, the cornerback that nobody wanted from the CFL, the undrafted FA that Harbaugh didn’t want, the 5th round best corner in the league, BEAST MODE, the Legion of Boom. Too much excitement about this team. People love watching this team, beyond Seahawks fans.

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