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Morning links: Seahawks say the offense is getting there

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 16, 2013 at 12:59 am with 93 Comments »
October 16, 2013 12:59 am

Good morning.

First, I’ll quickly address two things.

As many of the commenters pointed out later in the evening, the tenor of the blog and focus of the discussion is up to you. Let’s hope we can be on point as often as possible.

In regards to the “morning links” posts, they are here because they preceded me. If we were starting from scratch, and I had my preference, they would not be here. I’m going to tweak the format a bit in hopes they spur more of a talking point or two for the day.

Moving on.

I wrote about the Seahawks’ offense for today’s paper. It’s an excellent optimist-pessimist argument, mainly because there are a lot of caveats to consider:

— How much of this is on the injured offensive line? For me, a lot.

— The Seahawks’ offense has actually been quite serviceable in the first six games. Is it The Greatest Show on Turf? No. But, as you can see here from Football Outsiders, the Seahawks are ranked 10th in offense DVOA. Considering the Seahawks have the No. 2 defense and are projected to have the No. 1 defense the rest of the way, a 10th-ranked offense should be more than enough for a truckload of wins. It likely won’t average 32 points per game.

— The expectations of any viewer will also skew their assessment of a result. So, if a starting point for expectations is the late-season run from 2012, which lasted just three weeks, you’re going to be disappointed on a weekly basis. As noted in the story, even Pete Carroll, someone who would think a car falling on him is some kind of opportunity to excel, said he’s not sure that they can get back to that level.

As I’ve seen you guys talk about, and we have discussed on the chat, there are some legit concerns here. Namely, red-zone offenses and third down. Both have been improving. Both can be linked to the line to a degree, but since that’s subjective rather than quantitative, for the most part, it’s hard to nail down.

Starting five:

> looks at Michael Bowie.

> says the Seahawks are wary of Arizona DBs Peterson and Mathieu.

> Always interesting stuff from Peter King.

> The Everett Herald talks about Pete Carroll and Carson Palmer.

> Golden Tate tells, “We’ve figured it out.”


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  1. surelyyoujest says:

    Those 50 point games last year are indeed outliers. Fun, yes (I have them both still on my DVR), but not something you see in the NFL that often…..present Denver Broncos run being another exception. If we can consistently score 20+ points, our D should carry us through most games, as long as we’re running the ball effectively and controlling the ball. Defensive effectiveness is greatly affected by the number of snaps a defence takes, week in, week out.

  2. CDHawkFan says:

    Todd, any chance Seahawks Insider could require more information from each log-on/poster details to keep people a bit more honest? I think the facebook log/account now required on ESPN to make comments hurt the overall numbers of posts, but it sure did clean it up the 99% crap that was on there. I hate to suggest, but maybe this crap helps in overall traffic/numbers on Seahawks Insider, so maybe there is a reason TNT allows this to happen?

    Not sure we have to go to the lengths of a facebook account, but wondering if there is something out there used on comment sections that will hold people a ‘little’ accountable.

    I’ve said this before and can’t believe that so many people take the bait, but Yanker is just baiting you all with the ‘watch and learn’, ‘brainwashed’, ‘I predicted this’ etc. 50% of his posts are to talk football, 50% is to get a rise out of you and many are taking the bait. Look at Yanker’s comments on, he isn’t like this. He keeps it to just football and doesn’t go at it with anyone, probably because Rob Staton would keep him in check (or kick him off of site).

    Again, the Yanker handle came on scene last August (14 months ago), he came on all the time, multiple posts a day. When asked at one point 7-8 months ago, he said he had never heard of ACIB and said he sounded ‘Dreamy’. Come on guys, don’t take the bait, while he can talk football, all the other stuff is just an act. I am sure he is a long time poster who has had several names over the years. I don’t mind debate, but the sad thing is that he has gotten into ‘it’ (purposely trying to get under your skin) with nearly everyone so I wish he would just go away and leave us alone.

  3. I for one am very excited the TNT has given Todd the opportunity to revive this blog. As much as I liked Eric, he appeared to let the blog slip and slide into a slow death. Just from the time Todd has started, it has regained a pulse and is headed the right direction…Thanks Todd!

    I admit…I am one of the fans that got caught up in the aura of last years defining wins and have been upset/disappointed in the 2013 version. How wrong I have been, WE ARE 5-1!! What the heck was I thinking? Yes there are some issues on offense, but we are 5-1 with backup O-lineman and tight end. I would venture to guess almost any other team with their line beat up like ours would not be doing well.

    Denver…NO, Manning would get killed
    SF…Intricate offense, the O is dependent on line play
    KC…Smith isn’t mobile
    Saints…Brees, hmmm maybe
    Patriots…Brady is a statue
    On and On

    We are very lucky to have Wilson and Extremely lucky to have Tom Cable who can somehow work magic.

    #1 Defense and #10 Offense, I will take that anytime!
    And the most exciting part is, we are VERY young and will only get better!

    Again Todd, Thank you for the blog CPR
    Now fellow 12’s, let’s get this blog going like in the days of Sando!!!


  4. GeorgiaHawk says:

    That was a good article Todd, thanks.

    I think having Miller out too is huge. Especially the way Wilson and Miller clicked at the end of last season.
    Also most of the teams we have played so far have very good defenses.
    I’m not at all disappointed in the offense this year and expect them to slowly get better as the season goes, however I am a little disappointed in the special teams play the last two weeks. They can do better then that and hopefully they can get back to being near the top of the league again.

    BTW- Todd I have no problem with you not posting a lot of links,(even though I like them) because there are many of us here that can do that throughout the day.
    When I first came on this blog my computer was slow and I didn’t have high speed internet so getting links from one source was so much easier to do.
    Now that I have a high speed system I can search much faster and find links for folks here that don’t have that ability.
    So links may not be that important to some here but to others it just adds another way to learn about our favorite team.

  5. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I can see us having some big wins towards the end of the season like last year when other teams, (out of the playoff chase) start giving up like Buffalo and Arizona did last season.

  6. Southendzone says:

    No single user can screw up the blog no matter how annoying, asinine, or frequent their comments may be. It’s the people that reply and get caught in the web of stupidity that get it off-course.

    This article from MMQB is pretty good including all-22 pics of key plays from last week. My favorite part is when he details the final drive by SF over AZ last week where the 49ers absolutely ran it down their throat. 49ers are looking dangerous again like last year, their run game is overwhelming. I’d love to see the Hawks do a LOT of this tomorrow night.

  7. Todd, I like the morning links, but I love the job you are doing. Ill trust you to keep us in the right direction. Keep up the good work, its very much appreciated.

    Now, on the recent infighting, personal attacks, and rambling tangential arguments; The real problem is that folks dont seem to realize they dont HAVE to join in–either in the silly arguments, the namecalling, or the bravado. Just ignore what you dont want to be a part of. Kind of like the proven way to beat a troll–be a Black Hole…

    Second, dont stoop to the level of those that irritate you. Third, be respectful, even if someone may not seemingly deserve such treatment. Dont allow someone else to dictate the kind of person you are.

    And yep, I need to follow my own advice–I get that. Last few days, I have been.

    Im quite sure my working out of years of frustration regarding the offensive line has pretty much annoyed every single reader here. For that, I apologize. However, my fears have been realized, and finally the majority seem to get that our line is terrible and its a big problem. Which is all I wanted, for folks to admit it was a problem and place blame fairly.

    Funny thing is, now that everyone else is noticing the line isnt up to snuff, I see improvement and am slightly hopeful for the rest of the year, though I still think we need to draft a G and T within the first four rounds next year, and bring in two vets for competition.

    bbmate, Georgia, Bobbyk, sluggo, and a few other of my cranky brethren need to post their thoughts and feelings more often. Especially if they disagree with my opinions, as its not a lot of fun to discuss stuff ad nauseum with those who agree totally.

    The blog is lessened without your regular contributions.

  8. GeorgiaHawk says:

    One more thing before I go away, is I hope this blog doesn’t become like Rob Staton’s where he will put pressure on bloggers sometimes if they have a different opinion then him, or delete their comments completely.
    Eric appeared to be laid back at times however he gave us the freedom to express our views the way we wanted to because he knew we have enough long time diehard Seahawk fans here that can get this blog back on course.

  9. I think the red zone and third down struggles are a result of two things. One, the poor line play, ie inability to run on third and short, inability to pass pro. Two, Darrel Bevell and Carl the qb coaches conservative nature. Their scheme just wont throw the ball into the endzone, unless they get one on one on the outside, or once in a blue moon they get a skinny post to Rice or Baldwin, like twice a year.

    If you only half assedly attack the endzone from the edges and underneath, you take away a major portion of the field of play, which is a huge advantage for the defense.

    Third and short is harder for us to convert than third and long, seemingly, because again, the conservative playcalling, with routes designed to get only five yards and with only one or two real options. Plus, they run many of the same types of plays, and if a play works they keep using it in the same situation all year, time after time, even when it fails. They are just too predictable.

    What was up with the constant running play off G on first down through the first three quarters last week? Also, on many plays, Tennessee seemed to know exactly what we were doing, even the WR routes. That to me says Bevell is back to being terribly predictable just like early last year.

    I also think that liberal use of the read option at least as a threat was responsible for much of our success late last year, and now teams are more ready for it, and of course Carrol and Bevell dont want to use it unless they have to.

    Without a much better line, this team wont come close to 32 points per game. But they better get better than 20 if they want to win big.

  10. montanamike2 says:

    STTBM, a lot of us have been through our ups and downs, but somehow resolve it with maturity and perspective. You’re totally vindicated on the o-line, it’s holding us back and i’m glad we might have scored a RT. This is a mess for Todd to walk into and i’m glad we took a concerted effort to police the blog ourselves so we can get back to the site it was about 14 months ago. I hope Sluggo isn’t gone for good, i need you guys to stick around because my football knowledge still has a long ways to go.

  11. CDHawkFan says:

    Georgia, I like Rob’s site. He knows his football, writes for a living so he is good at it, has more invested than Todd/Eric because its his own site (not TNT), does more research than 99% of us, and in the end, he likes to debate/argue his opinion. I don’t hold that against him. I have also seen him delete comments but only when people start calling each other morons or wishing people would step on an IED, etc, not because he disagrees with a person on football. I don’t have a problem with deleting personal attacks and actually think that type of accountability is needed here at times.

  12. Offense is getting there, yeah, I don’t think so, unless you call starting out in good feild position and settling for feild goals getting there. The line is garbage, but recievers have been getting open. Even though no one wants to admit it, I think Wilson’s height is becoming a factor. To many times I’ve seen Wilson scramble and either tuck it and run even though there is Rice or Kearse or who ever running parralel with him wide open or have him gun it to the nearest guy on the side line when there is another guy open down feild. Also, how much seperation is needed, sometimes even if there is the slightest window you have to take the chance and let your receivers make a play, give them a chance.

  13. Screensmoke says:

    Sttbm- gotta run to work- thanks for keeping it real!one thing for sure all u ever want to do is talk football.agree or disagree sometimes u r allways much appreciated!

  14. STTBM – Just read your post, agree totally, especially on the redzone situations.

  15. Thanks for the positive feedback guys; sometimes it sucks having a minority opinion.

  16. yankinta says:

    CDHawkFan,, you made a good point,, I don’t really get into arguments on because I don’t get attacked there. People over there agree to disagree respectfully, All the time. If you look at all of my posts here, you’ll see that I’m usually replying to someone that talked down to me first or call me some childish names,, It would be naive to think that life is a one-way street.

  17. My hope for the Seahwks offense is that when the second half of the season rolls around, they will get on the same kind of run they did last year in the second half. There was hope that they would be able to pick up where they left off last year but that was probably pretty unrealistic.

    I’ve been watching the Seahawks for a long time and getting things going and rolling in the second half has been kind of a common theme with this team. With Homgren/Hasselbeck teams or all the back in the 80’s with Chuck Knox teams. Unfortunately what has also been a common theme with this team is struggling in the first half of the season and then using that end of the season run to try and sneak into the play-offs.

    That is what is exciting about where they are this year. Intead of 4-4 like last year they are now 5-1 and if the win the next 2 prime time division games like I expect them to, they will be 7-1. Now if the get on their usual second half run, you are looking at something very special. Home field advantage in the play-offs and a Superbowl appearance in New York City. What could be better than that?

  18. yankinta says:

    CDHawkFan,, just to add one last thing,, if you’re able to find one of my posts where I started something without being provoked,, I will apologize to that person and you. And this is a sincere offer. :)

  19. yankinta says:

    Back to football, I’m looking forward to watch CB Mathieu for an entire game. Let’s see how good this CB is, whom most of the people here wanted to draft as a slot CB. I didn’t think he was that good at the time for us to invest day 2 picks,, but I heard he’s been playing very well so far….

    As for young QB’s talk,, not sure if many of us saw it but, out of the 9 experts on Monday Night Pregame show,, 8 picked Luck as their top QB for the next 10 years (RW came in 2nd)….Only Ray Lewis picked RW as his top QB for the next 10 years,, and Luck came in 2nd for him.

  20. RDPoulsbo says:

    I like the morning links. Its basically an open thread for discussion. Its easier to find those links to discuss when they are mostly in one place. The alternative will be others putting the links throughout the thread to reference what they are talking about.

    I’ve done my best to stay out of the yank trolling. Sometimes that means not posting at all, but you can’t get mired in that crap or you won’t get anything out of this blog.

    I do agree that 3rd down efficiency and red zone offense are still problems. A good part of that is the craptacular o-line play, especially in pass protection. The red zone play should improve with Miller coming back and Willson improving. Play action with quick throws to the TEs should be there given opposing offenses keying on the run. So use the bread and butter of the passing game to your advantage Bevell.

  21. HI Todd,
    I frequent this blog but rarely post because I have no desire to get involved in the bickering that goes on. Feel free to make changes. GO HAWKS!

  22. bulldog80 says:

    The only difference I see between this years offense and last years is in Wilson’s down field throws. Last year he made far more throws down field while scrambling. In fact, I was in awe of how accurately he could deliver the ball while on the run. This year, it seems that he is very reluctant to throw and nearly always just tucks it. Obviously there are protection issues and perhaps that is what’s influencing his mindset. I’d he we’re to make some those throws it would add the dimension that was there at the end of last season.

    On the blog itself, I really don’t understand why people can’t just ignore the idiots?

  23. yankinta says:

    RDPoulsbo, I would respond to you but I think I am gonna take the high road today… cheers.. :)

  24. yankinta says:

    bulldog80,, I completely agree. His down field throws has not been the same as last year. You brought up protection issues, but I wonder if it has to do with we’ve seen Top 11 Defenses, 5 out of the first 6 games and our WR not getting separation…. One thing for sure we don’t have a No.1 WR and that is still a huge hole for our O.

    And you’re right but sometimes there are too many idiots to ignore….makes it more difficult.

  25. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Even though no one wants to admit it, I think Wilson’s height is becoming a factor. To many times I’ve seen Wilson scramble and either tuck it and run even though there is Rice or Kearse or who ever running parralel with him wide open or have him gun it to the nearest guy on the side line when there is another guy open down feild. Also, how much seperation is needed, sometimes even if there is the slightest window you have to take the chance and let your receivers make a play, give them a chance.”

    Don’t go by what you see on TV.

    His height is a non-factor. Watch the tape.

    Wilson is being coached to be conservative with the football and avoid turnovers. Sometimes he’s just not pulling the trigger on open guys. It’s not because he doesn’t see them due to height. Sometimes he’s just not “seeing” them like a any other QB who misses an open guy, and sometimes he’s seeing them and just not pulling the trigger, and making a conservative play.

    I don’t see a height issue when I watch the film.

    You are correct in your assessment of separation: in the NFL, “open” is subjective, and very often having a guy in your hip pocket still means you are “open”. But Pete is deliberately coaching Wilson to take care of the football. Pete coaches defense, running game and turnovers (and not necessarily in that order).

    There’s a lot going on every play. A lot of mental processing going on by the QB. When your OL is shakey, if affects the way you mentally process the field, because you’re concerned about breakdowns in protection.

    Don’t worry about his height. He’s fine.

  26. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Obviously there are protection issues and perhaps that is what’s influencing his mindset.”

    I think that’s totally it.

    When you’re confident in your OL, you are going to trust them to block, even when you’re scrambling around like Tarkenton. But when your OL stinks, and your team is struggling on 3rd downs, and games are close, you just want to get positive yardage and make a play.

    We heard Wilson last week when talking about 3rd down going in the Titans game: By all means necessary, at all costs, get the yards.

    I expect to see a more efficient passing attack when our OL is healthy and Wilson can start trusting them again.

    One other thing: Wilson is a small guy. He knows he can’t take the shots of a guy like Cam Newton. He has to protect himself. You don’t think that affects his mindset when he’s surveying the field and he knows his OL has been shaky? I mean, imagine running for your life the first few weeks of the season, then going to the film room and actually watching how atrocious the line play is… I bet it’s like a shop of horrors for Wilson. He’s probably watching those plays on film and going, “OMG, I can’t believe I escaped that mess on that play.”

    I think the OL play would affect ANY QB in the NFL in a negative way, in their mind. I’m actually amazed Wilson continues to make plays the way is with this OL playing so badly.

    I’m hoping for continued improvement on that end, because I think Wilson is doing a stellar job considering what he’s been given for protection.

  27. CDHawkFan says:

    Don’t take the bait guys.

  28. HawkfaninMT says:

    For those of you with the “slow connections” issue that was referenced above there is another site called Fieldgulls that does a pretty comprehensive links page everyday. They call it “Coffee and Cigarettes” or something silly like that. I use that site more frequently during the offseason, and follow the TNT more in season.

  29. yankinta says:

    ChrisHolmes,, WOW you nailed it. I completely agree. :)

    Regarding the height issue,, Chris Carter said on Monday night, he picks Lucks ahead of Wilson because Wilson will still be 5 foot 9, 10 years from today…. I was speechless…with my mouth open…smh. The only reason they don’t say stuff like that about Drew Brees (one inch taller),, is because he’s won a Superbowl. When RW wins one, all this height talk will die down.

    One thing we forget is, our Offense is not a West Coast Offense. Pete talked about it a few weeks ago. It’s actually an unconventional offense (He wants us to be the best scrambling offense in the league). And guess what?,, Only Rusell Wilson can run this unconventional offense because he has skill-sets that is unmatched by 31 other QB.

  30. yankinta says:

    CDHawkFan, just say you can’t find it because it doesn’t exist. But I understand your response. cheers… :)

  31. Did you guys see the note from Bob Condotta in the Times where he pointed out that the Seahawks made one first down in the their first three drives of the game when the Titans surprised them with a zone defense they hadn’t been using before. After adjusting to that, they didn’t punt for the rest of the game and scored on 4 of their 6 remaining drives. They almost made it 5 out of 6 except for the goofy play at the end of the half. And their last drive they just ran out the clock.

  32. CDHawkFan says:

    For the record, I’m not going to look.

    Go away, you upset a lot of people.

  33. RDPoulsbo says:

    As long as the pass protection is bad, it’s pretty hard to get the time it takes to make a shot downfield. It’s one thing with a planned bootleg, but when Wilson is flushed from the pocket, the chances of making that throw go down a lot even if he excels at throwing on the run. While yes, the offense has been fairly predictable, they can only do so much with what they have. Okung can’t get back soon enough.

  34. RDPoulsbo says:

    I can’t remember where I saw it, but there was a note that playing the Seahawks takes it’s toll on opposing teams. Every team that has played Seattle this season lost the following week and of those 5 losses, 4 have been by double digits so don’t expect the Titans to beat the 49ers this week.

  35. yankinta says:

    CDHawkFan, I would respond to your last commetn but I think I am gonna take the high road today… cheers.. :)

    We don’t need Okung back to get our Offense going, I think we’ll start to score around 30 points a game in the next 4 games,,just based on the fact that we won’t be facing top 11 Defenses anymore.

    Arizona D is ranked 15th
    RAMS D is 23rd
    Tampa D is 16th
    ATL D is 19th
    Vikings D is 31st

  36. yankinta says:

    RDPoulsbo, I saw that and I was actually thinking about it. Titans plays Press coverage, they have really good secondary (top 3 in NFL), as we know CK is only good against Zone. I think if Titan’s backup QB doesn’t throw ints, they will win this game easily. Even if he does, I think it will still be a very close game, and Titans have a very good chance to win it, imo.

  37. ChrisHolmes says:

    I respect Cris Carter as probably the best boundary receiver to ever play the game.

    But I think he’s a piss-poor analyst (and I have the same opinion of a lot of ex-players turned analyst).

    When former-players-turned-analysts get stuck on Wilson’s height, I often wonder: would their opinion of him change if they had played with Brees, for instance? Would Cris Carter have such a disparaging opinion of Wilson’s lack of height if he had caught passes from Brees for a few seasons?

    I kind of doubt it.

    I can understand people being enamored with Luck. I am too. The kid is awesome, and barring injury he should have a very good career, a la Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

    But I love RW. He’s the perfect guy for Seattle. He embraced this team and city immediately and set about trying to win the starting job. He oozes leadership. He studies relentlessly. He is determined to be the best. He’s poised. He’s a team-first guy. No attitude, humble, respectful… I think he has a lot of thankfulness in him.

    You could not ask for a better human being to be the face of your franchise than Russell Wilson. He’s also one heck of a QB.

    I really, honestly believe that 15 years from now analysts and talking heads are going to be saying the same thing about Luck and Wilson that they now say about Brady and Manning. They are going to be using the words, “Future Hall of Famer” when they talk about them.

    We’re very fortunate fans.

    And I am reveling in every game, every moment of this. I’m in the prime of my life and Seattle landed a franchise QB. Talk about timing.

  38. HawkFromDay1 says:

    I kind of agree that he offense is figuring it out.

    Seemed early in the year we were relying on heavily on field position and great D (a recipe that I absolutely love).

    But eventually we’ll get into games where we have to out-execute on offense – Saints game anyone? Should be a fascinating test.

  39. yankinta says:

    Yeah, I’m pretty impressed by what Luck has done this season. I was not at all impressed last season, because he was so inaccurate and threw many interceptions (adjusted ints) while playing against one of the easiest schedule. People are asking to unleash Luck because they have been a Run-First team this season with the new OC. I think that’d be a huge mistake. Luck won’t be that accurate if he has to start throwing a lot like other QBs in the NFL. I think he plays at a totally higher level if he’s in that Stanford Offense (Running O), which is where he became famous….

    lol, a lot of the ex-players turned analysts are really bad. I prefer ex-coaches turned analysts, better if I get to choose. :)

  40. yankinta says:

    HawkFromDay1,, we learned a very valuable lesson about Saints Offense last Sunday. If CB starts jamming the Saints’ WR/TE and play aggressive press coverage, it throws of Brees’ timing and the whole Offense goes in to panic mode. Gues what,, that’s what we excel at. :)

  41. Rockyseahawk says:

    Love that post ChrisHolmes, I completely agree with everything you wrote there.

    This may seem strange but I actually like where the offense is. I can’t think of another team that could play a bunch of top ten defenses while missing 3 of 5 line men and still manage to win. As they get people healthy and gain more cohesion they should just get better and better. It really sets up nicely for the strech run of the season and playoffs. It’s a cool place to be.

  42. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Here is one example how Staton,(at can be.
    This is after the loss to the Colts when it was not only clear on this blog that the o-line didn’t play well but it was clear to the head coach too.
    Staton for some reason thought the o-line played well.
    When Staton had enough of JW’s logit he basically said enough is enough. And after that no posts were seen from JW on that thread.

    I was upset at Staton for acting like a pompous jerk to a poster that was right about our o-lines performance in the Colts game, ( and this was after I posted a good article that day from Staton on TNT.) So I posted a response back to Staton that day. I think it lasted a few minutes before Staton took it off.

    This doesn’t sound like a guy who likes to debate or argue points. It sounds more like “it’s my way or the highway and if you don’t like it I cut you off.”
    That’s what I mean when I say I would rather have this blog the way it is now then being at the mercy of someone like Staton that has the power to delete or pressure a blogger simply because he disagrees with them.

    “Rob Staton says:

    October 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    O-line played well today.


    JW says:

    October 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    wow. SMH.

    It was their typical performance. Good run blocking, poor pass blocking.


    Alex says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    The oline was not remotely part of the reason we lost. The defense simply couldn’t get the stops when they needed it. There is no reason to lose when the offense has scored 28 points and you have a supposed top 5 defense. From what I saw, the dline applied decent pressure, but the secondary had a horrible day. It is possibly the worst I’ve seen them play in over a year.


    Colin says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Don’t feed the troll. He’d bitch if you hung him with a new rope.


    JW says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Who said it’s why we lost? Not I.

    If pointing out the Seahawks are among the league leaders in allowing QB hurries is trolling, this blog has reached a new level of poor O line play obfuscation.

    The idea that the O line played “well” is laughable.


    Rob Staton says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    I’m sure there are plenty of other blogs saying the backup-laden offensive line sucked today that you can visit.

    They’re wrong, too.


    JW says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    if you want qualify your statement that the backup lade offensive line played well for being backups, then fine. But to say it was good pass protection by any objective NFL standard is simply not true. It was not.

    Russell remains one of the most hurried QBs in the NFL. Today was no different.


    Rob Staton says:

    October 6, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Jesus JW let it drop.

    I’ve stated my case. You’re wasting time focusing on the line today. So many other things to discuss ahead of that.”

    Now back to my man cave.

  43. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Fitz isn’t 100% but will play against us this week. He’s so tough and really one of the best all time receivers in the NFL. Has had some big games against us. I think our D holds him down this week. Last year, we didn’t have Browner week one if I recall. I think Browner’s size along with Sherman will limit Fitz’s success rate.

    Also hopeful that Max is recovered enough to knock the stuffing outta Docket. As Docket likes to say, “The Seahawks are soft as a pillow away from home.”
    O-line, step up this week and knock him into the dirt!!

  44. CDHawkFan says:

    Yeah I saw that, figured JW was Slave. I think there is more history about JW talking about the O line all the time.

  45. @chrisholmes – find myself in agreement w/every take you have on RW. The guy will only get better, and things will only get safer for him (no team wants their franchise QB running this regularly), as our O-line comes into play. Seems to me, with the pick-ups of Harvin and Michael (as basically our 1st and 2nd round picks this year), along with all the other skill position guys we now have, that we can really focus on upgrading and adding depth to the O-line in the upper rounds of the next couple drafts.

    Getting Okung back is the biggest key to our offense regaining its stride in the passing game.

  46. yankinta says:

    I guees our O-Line will not get a break this week… Campbell has been cleared to play tomorrow. Can’t wait to see RW Magic… :)

  47. Screensmoke says:

    Yank off- the best scrambling offense in the league- you just created a whole new scheme- u r a regular Albert frickin Einstein! ( sorry folks I couldn’t resist- my bad )

  48. yankinta says:

    Screensmoke,, ummm that’s not from me. That is straight from Pete Carroll’s mouth. Maybe if you were more knowledgeable you’d already know that… :)

    You should listen to Pete Carroll’s interview on 710 Sports, every Monday. That’s where I heard it, a couple of weeks ago. I think they have podcasts too…

  49. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Seems to me, with the pick-ups of Harvin and Michael (as basically our 1st and 2nd round picks this year), along with all the other skill position guys we now have, that we can really focus on upgrading and adding depth to the O-line in the upper rounds of the next couple drafts.”

    I agree. I don’t see a glaring skill-position need for this team come draft day. We’re three deep at RB, we have five talented WR’s (although I think Rice will be gone, that still leaves Tate, Harvin, Baldwin and Kearse, and honestly I’m please with that group).

    The OL has to be a point of focus this off season. Just has to be. And I think it will be.

    It’s too bad our previous forays into the OL haven’t panned out well (I’m thinking primarily of Moffitt and Carpenter), but that’s the breaks. No team bats 1.000 on draft picks.

    The thing is, this is still a really good team. Deep. Talented. I think we’re a legitimate Super Bowl contender. So we have to make the most of our opportunities this season, bad OL play or not. Those guys have to get better, as much as they can within their talent level this year, but we also, as a team, just have to get better, endure, and make the most of the games each week.

    And I think we’ve done that. We’re 5-1 and we’ve played some really tough defenses. I like our outlook. I think we’re in a decent position to make a good run here.

    And is it me, or does it seem like we’re on the road a lot this year? I know mathematically every team is 8-8 home/away, but it sure seems like we’re playing most of our season away from home… Sheesh.

  50. rramstad says:

    I think Luck will be a great QB but he’s got more of a sophomore slump going right now than many of the other 2nd year QBs.

    Luck does not have a good running game which makes things a lot harder for him, of course.

    He was lights out against us, but there were issues at San Diego, of course his receivers didn’t help him at all…

  51. Ewalters7354 says:

    This blog was so much better when it was all about the Hawks.I don’t mind talking about other things but sometimes it gets real crazy on here with the insults and so on.I’m guilty.But if we can just get back to talking/debating about the Hawks without all the insults,this blog will rise back to the level it was 5yrs ago.

    We also have to stop getting upset when a poster talks about a player that didn’t play well and shares their harsh critism.I notice that’s when things get crazy.

    I respect every last one of you guys/women.

  52. rramstad says:

    We play four of our last six at home.

  53. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Chris, we have been on the road and only have one home game in October. The good news is that five of our last eight games of the season are at home, with two out of three in November at home and three more home games in December. That should play out nicely.
    The 49ers have six of the last ten on the road for what it’s worth.

  54. rramstad says:

    We also get to travel to Atlanta for a game November 10th, and then we do not have a road trip until December 8th which is West Coast San Francisco, then play at Giants December 15th.

    To have our team in Seattle for a full month more or less near the end of the season is just fantastic.

    Looking beyond that, it could happen again. Wild Card weekend is Jan 4th, and Divisional Round is the 11th, with Championships the 19th. If we are the #1 or #2 seed in the NFC, we would be on the road December 15th and then play every game at home up through January 11th at least. That’s another month long stretch where we don’t leave Seattle.

  55. ChrisHolmes says:

    @rramstad & @MoSeahawk12 That is good news indeed.

    This middle part of the schedule doesn’t look as tough as our first quarter did. I guess I’m hoping we can weather it all and then stomp at home to close out the season with some momentum-gaining wins.

    Home Field is going to be so critical. I sure did love seeing the Saints lose to New England last weekend.

  56. Todd Dybas says:

    CD, most of our site is linked into Facebook for comments. The company chose to leave the blogs set up like this. I can get you a more official response as to the reasoning, if you were interested.

    Georgia, you won’t receive pressure from me. I scan through the discussion to see what topics are there and to be sure everyone is following our basic, straight-forward rules outlined above the box where you comment. You, of course, can disagree with anything. Except for me. Then, I’ll ban you and TP your yard (kidding).

    I’ll just reiterate what I wrote earlier. How you folks comment and interact will dictate the tenor of the site. I try to think of it this way: At any point, a new reader could stop by. When they look here for the first time, will they see another Internet cesspool filled with arguments or a place with longtime and smart football observers talking about one of the best teams in the NFL?

    I’m partly responsible for their takeaway, as are you.



  57. doubledink says:

    It sure seems like it doesn’t it? This 4 out of 5 stretch is brutal. To think we can legitimately come out of it at 7-1 with the home stretch of 5 0f 8 games at home is really encouraging though.

    It is so cool to be a fan of this team in times like these. Enjoy the ride guys.

  58. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Saints have three road games in December, including December 2nd against us!!
    Fun to look ahead and dream of everything lining up, but as Russell Wilson always says take one game at a time and go 1-0 every week. If these guys take care of business this week against the Cards, they will have some time off before they play the Rams ten days later. Winning division games is the key and having some of the other NFC teams stumble helps for sure.

  59. “Maybe if you were more knowledgeable you’d already know that… :)”

    Yank – that’s the crap everyone is talking about. I’d like to support you and like much of the information you share, but no one appreciates being insulted.

  60. doubledink says:

    Well put Todd. I too offer my apologies for aggravating the issue recently when I went back for verification of someone’s first postings. I will follow my own policy of strategic starvation.

    We are the best police of the content and tenor of the comments.

    Todd, I for one do appreciate you enforcing the blog rules.

  61. Chris Holmes – I was at the game, North endzone 100 level. I know it’s easy to say that when I’m not the one running for my life, but he left numerous plays on the feild, which I believe he could have easily made if it saw it. Especially rolling out to his right and recievers running to the right with him.

  62. And I’m talking not a defender within 5-10 yds of them.

  63. Dukeshire says:

    LVHawk – Exactly. He then has the nerve to play the victim card and say he never insults first. And as Todd says, it’s dragging the blog’s down. His opinions are as valid as anyone else, but so long as he continue to behave in this immature way, it will continue to devolve.

    And this I promise will be the last time I comment on him.

  64. montanamike2 says:

    I think it is important for new people who stop by if only to read, that we present a place that’s inviting and people want to stay here. I like the fresh start approach and the respectful discussions, although i myself occasionally wander off topic to discuss beers or pizza or the time i threw some punk down a flight of stairs for hitting on my wife.

  65. HawkfaninMT says:

    Beer and Pizza are great…

    And that is no the last i will comment on them

  66. ChrisHolmes says:

    “Chris Holmes – I was at the game, North endzone 100 level. I know it’s easy to say that when I’m not the one running for my life, but he left numerous plays on the feild, which I believe he could have easily made if it saw it. Especially rolling out to his right and recievers running to the right with him.”

    @TruBlu – I understand what you’re saying (there were plays to be made) but I disagree that it’s a height issue.

    I think *all* NFL quarterbacks can (and do) have issues seeing the field at various times. But when I say “seeing the field” what I mean is not literally seeing with eyes or missing things due to guys being in the way, but processing what’s there. It’s not a height thing, it’s a mental processing thing.

    When I look back at quarterbacks who have suffered at the game mentally – guys who had adequate height and the arm strength to make all the throws, yet they leave plays on the field and don’t see open receivers – I don’t think it’s ever about height. It’s just about information, processing it, seeing and understanding how things develop, and then making decisions in a split second.

    I’ve been at games too. I remember being at the Dolphin game when Hasselbeck was just taking over the reigns, and people in the crowd were chanting for Dilfer that day. I remember being frustrated that guys were open and Matt wasn’t throwing it their way. Matt left a lot of wide receivers out there that day. It wasn’t lack of height. He just wasn’t processing the field completely on every play. It happens.

    Part of that can be the pre-snap read. If your pre-snap read takes your vision in one direction, and the open guy is somewhere outside your vision, you may not see him in time to make a throw, or your progression might not allow you to hit him when he his open, or the OL might fail and you don’t even get a chance to look his way…

    I guess, my only thing is, I don’t think it’s a height issue because historically speaking, quarterbacks have always missed open guys. And I just think it’s common, I think it happens to every QB, no matter how good they are. They miss open guys. Sometimes it’s the read or progression that prevents them from seeing it, sometimes it’s pressure, sometimes they just don’t see it. And for the guys who are really bad at it, they miss WR’s a lot.

    RW is 23. Still learning this offense. And from what I’ve seen, there’s a lot to learn. Bevell is holding nothing back. When I look at the plays, he’s using a different formation all the time, and he’s giving RW a lot of three and four WR sets to work with. There’s a lot of information to process, including what the defense is doing, and where to go with the ball, etc.

    I just don’t think it’s height.

  67. yankinta says:

    LVHawk,, did you read what he said to me first? how come you’re not calling him out?? smh…

  68. yankinta says:

    but like bulldog80 said, I should ignored that idiot so I guess I’m guilty as well. :)

    Back to football, rramstad, Colts rank 6th best in Rushing Offense. I am not sure what you’re talking about…..maybe you could enlighten me.

    btw, I’m ignoring what Dukeshire said and taking the high road like bulldog80 said…

  69. Dukeshire says:

    No, there’s no “holding back” with Wilson. The playbook is open to him. But the fact remains that despite his often impressive passer ratings, he’s missing open receivers (both throwing and identifying). It’s something that cleaner pockets are going to help with, provided the offensive line does in fact improve, as they get bodies back.

  70. yankinta says:

    As for what Pete Carroll said about being the best Scrambling Offense in the League, I’ll put it into some context,, he’s asking RW to hold onto the ball as much as he can and not turn it over…

    For example, the long 55 yards Pass to Lynch came as a result of RW Scrambling and holding onto the ball. This was not a result of a play call.

  71. rramstad says:

    yank, my comment was directed at the fact that Bradshaw is out for the rest of the season, he was the best running back for the Colts, and their other backs aren’t going to get the job done. Richardson is averaging 3.1 yards per carry which will never get you a first down.

    Also the Colts have 784 rushing yards while opponents have 792 rushing yards. Doesn’t sound like a dominating rushing attack to me. I understand that they have had some success in the early part of the season but I don’t expect that to continue given that Bradshaw is gone.

  72. That’s exactly right Chris Holmes. I remember Warren Moon talking about that. He said he is 6’2″ and he couldn’t see over 6’5″ to 6’7″ offensive line men. You have to know the plays, know the field, and find passing lanes to throw the ball. Otherwise you’ll miss open receivers and get your passes knocked down at the line of scrimage. He said height is not irrelevent but its not the most important factor either. He’s known plenty of 6’7″ QB’s (see Dan McGwire) who were not good enough to play in the NFL. I some times wonder if it is a trust issue with a receiver when the QB not willing to throw it down the field to him when he appears to me to be open. But then I realize that there is a lot going on the NFL football field that I have no comprension of as a fan. I’ll leave to the experts and just do my part and cheer them on.

  73. yankinta says:

    Oh, I see. Yes, I do agree with you rramstad. I was never a fan of Richardson trade, while the entire nation thought the Opposite. I think Luck will struggle if they don’t continue to run the ball. But that OC is from Stanford and I think he will continue to run the ball. Bradshaw was the a big reason they won that game in 49ers. I’m a big fan of Bradshaw, I know what he can do. The next 5 games will be telling. It will tell us whether Colts will make the playoff this year. I didn’t think they would before the season began, and I have not changed my mind so far. Maybe I will have to eat humble pie in December…

  74. Todd Please Keep the Morning Links I like them and I don’t have the time to surf all the sites so i appreciate having them here for quick access. You’re doing a good job so far make this your baby

  75. I think this game will be full of interesting match-ups. It will come down to who wins more of the battles.

    I loved hearing o’Brien Scofield commenting about how he is licking his chops to play these guys – will help to bring energy to the game!! Even when they are playing well this team really seems to play for the “team” and try to take care of each other!!

  76. I’ve got to think RW has half an eye on the blindside pass rush a lot of the time with the way guys are getting past McQ (and Carp) so quickly. If he didn’t he’d be on his back, while looking downfield.

    If we see Wilson sitting in the pocket, holding onto the ball with a ton of time, then its either him missing receivers or receivers not getting open. But really, when was the last time we saw him sitting and sitting in the pocket? I can’t think of one since Okung went down.

    Plus, to echo what others have said, every QB, esp the younger ones, are going to miss finding some open receivers.

  77. CDHawkFan–JW from Statons blog is not me.I don’t post comments under any other handle. Along with Georgia, I attempted to do a point by point rebuttal if some of Statons more illogical assertions, plus voice support for JW; he deleted my comment within a minute, despite it’s content and tone being well within the rules.

    The guy is an egomaniac loser, and his reasoning far too often is specious. He acts like a petty tyrant.

  78. MoSeahawk12 says:

    From Richard Sherman-
    “While I have immense respect for Fitz, I have to put our personal relationship aside when we take the field. If there is one thing I have learned in my young career – it’s not to give in to Larry’s soft talk on the field. The moment you start answering his questions about your family or yourself – he has you. Larry loves to play mind games to soften you up and the minute that happens, you’re his! I have learned to keep my mouth shut when going up against him, and to not give in to his tricks!”

  79. yankinta says:

    MoSeahawk12,,, lol yeah, I saw Sherman’s interview where he talked about the hardest WR to cover and Fitz,, and how tough it is to play against Fitz because,, Fitz would ask about his family and gives him compliments right before the snaps,,, and talk throughout the play…. made me LOL…

  80. HawkfaninMT says:

    @ mau mau: morning links can be found at they are called “coffee and cigarettes

  81. HawkfaninMT says:

    @mau mau: When you are done with the links rejoin us here to discuss!

  82. SandpointHawk says:

    Just ignore him folks, don’t even bite that big fat worm, there is a big ugly hook inside that worm, so just swim on by and he will go away….

  83. On Wilson; like any qb, he’s not at his peak in only his second year. He still misses guys open deep, he still runs too early sometimes–and sometimes not soon enough, and his passes–especially the long ones–are occasionally off-target and seem to sail…But look at his stats; they are damn good. And we all know that the stats dont tell the story at all when taking into account the sad state of our offensive line.

    He’s a fine qb, and perfect for Seattle and our team. Even though I feel Luck is better this year, I wouldnt trade him for the world. RW will get better every year–and as others have said, I intend to enjoy the ride.

    Now if only the line would figure it out…;p

  84. banosser says:

    Todd… I would request that you not make this a Facebook sign-in, as I do not nor do I plan on being a FB member.. and that would preclude me from participating on this blog.. and if one can’t participate, one will not read either… Also I like the links.. but it would not be the end of the world.. tho refering to articles from other sites would get confusing imo… thanks

  85. TallyHawk says:

    Yakinta I agree with you about the unconventional scrambling offense as I also heard the interview with Pete that you referenced. However the 55 yd pass to lynch was not a result of RW scrambling. It was a designed roll out with lynch usually blocking on the back side. There was no one to block so he just wandered out into the open space and RW was aware enough to look for it and hit him.

  86. Screensmoke says:

    Scrambling QB not offense-

  87. seahawkfan97 says:

    yank if you are gonna take the high road then take the high road for the whole thread…Now I have only read to where you said there are too many idiots to ignore or whatever…. I just wish you would have stuck to the high road as what some of what you were saying was good stuff. Now I gotta go back and read the rest of the thread and as Jim Rome would say. “wait for it, wait for it” And Like I said as far as I got was that comment.
    Todd, I really like the links. I sometimes don’t have enough time be fore work to read everything and getting the links here lets me pick and choose and I have only one site on my favorites and have for years.
    And as I said before great job Todd

  88. seahawkfan97 says:

    Todd, I really like the links on here as I stated before, but I was wondering if you could think about maybe making it so we could comment on individual comments in the thread as some other sites do, where those drop down (expand).. I hate having to re-read the threads to comment where I want and to which individual comments. Just a thought. Comments people? I cannot get on as they are
    posted. I have to get caught up in the mornings! Great job again Todd. I also agreed with whoever said Eric let the blog ebb and flow and I think he was way busy towards the end of his tenure.

  89. yankinta says:

    TallyHawk,, I see. But isn’t that part of a scrambling offense where the QB is supposed to hold on to the ball to see the best options available, while not turning the ball over?? But I agree they play call was a designed roll out,, but the ball wasn’t supposed to go to Lynch…

  90. yankinta says:

    seahawkfan97,, lol you’re right. I should take the high road on the entire thread…. I’m trying my best but it’s difficult sometimes and I have a lot of room to improve….. :)

    At least, I can see that there are SMART people with Integrity on this blog who will ask for evidence first before joining the Angry Mob….

  91. yankinta says:

    P.S., I’m taking the high road over SandpointHawk…. not calling him an idiot,, just taking the highroad while ignoring him per bulldog80’s advice.

  92. MoSeahawk12 says:

    But you just did call him an idiot, in your special passive aggressive way. That’s not taking the high road.
    Not sure if you even understand the concept.

  93. seahawkfan97 says:

    here we go, almost forgot about the dang game so glad I didn’t have to work late..then Im gonna read all 93 comments on this thread…This is a great blog people!!!!

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