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Morning links: Third down has been a mess

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 12, 2013 at 9:27 am with 9 Comments »
October 12, 2013 9:27 am

Good morning.

> I wrote about the Seahawks’ problems on third down the past two weeks.

> Greg Cosell of NFL Films breaks down the second T.Y. Hilton touchdown from last week.

> Seahawks.com has four matchups to watch this Sunday.

> Seahawks.com also looks at the benefits of playing at home.

> Two ESPN.com reporters discuss the game.

> NFL films previews the Seahawks-Titans game.

> This is an interesting read from former NFL quarterback Sage Rosenfels on the mental toll of mistakes. He tries to explain what Matt Schaub may be going through.

> Unfortunately, the death of Adrian Peterson’s two-year-old son is not the first personal tragedy for Peterson.

> And, if you’re interested in the Washington-Oregon game, check out our coverage over on the Huskies Insider blog.

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  1. raymaines says:

    The third down problem could just as easily be called a first and second down problem. If you gain 4 or 5 yards on 1st and 2nd down, 3rd downs aren’t too big of a deal. The formula is simple enough, gain positive yardage and avoid penalties.

  2. Seahawks22360 says:

    Me personally, I feel they need to get Michael involved in the run game. Lynch is obviously the main guy and turbin being the back up. But Michael would offer a change of pace that I feel on third down would help with swing passes or tosses. Just my observation. GO HAWKS!

  3. thursday says:

    Maybe if they could figure out how to properly execute a screen…

  4. ChrisHolmes says:

    It all starts up-front. The OL has to pass block better. If they do that, 3rd down success will improve.

  5. The OL is a complete mess. I’m not convinced time fixes this unit.

  6. raymaines says:

    Unless “Time” means the 2014 draft…

  7. rramstad says:

    “Time” means Okung and Breno coming back, which will in fact happen…

  8. ChrisHolmes says:

    Unger and Okung will fix some of it, to be sure.

    The other part is the younger guys getting time, like Bowie. You can’t have any idea how much he can really do until he gets real time playing and learning his craft. So for a guy like him, I do believe playing time will help.

    I’m not sure that time will help Carpenter any more though. He may have hit his ceiling (and if he has, that’s unfortunate).

    But anyone who is a football fan knows – players can gain an amazing amount of experience, and make a lot of progress, during a season. We see it all the time, in college and the pros. This is why college teams schedule weak opponents early on in the season: to give their kids time to grow and learn before the games that really matter.

    We’re entering a stretch here where Seattle is going to finally get to play some “softer” opponents (and I quote that because this is the NFL after all, and these teams are still pros, still going to give you all they have). I think not having to play against the J.J. Watts and Robert Mathis’s of the world for a couple weeks will help some of our less experienced guys get some valuable learning time in without constantly getting their butts kicked and just trying to “survive” a game.

    I’m hopeful (and maybe I have no right to be, but I am) that by season’s end this OL will be performing at a higher level than they did in the first quarter of the season.

    That said – this is something that clearly needs to be addressed in the offseason and draft. I don’t know who we’re going to lose in Free Agency, but right now I’m quickly becoming one of those fans whose going to rally around the cry of, “Just use all 7 draft picks on offensive linemen!!!!”

    As irrational as that is :)

    Anyway, it’s hours away. Anyone with a good streaming link? I can’t watch the game this weekend. Go Hawks!

  9. Sarcasticus says:

    “But anyone who is a football fan knows – players can gain an amazing amount of experience, and make a lot of progress, during a season. We see it all the time, in college and the pros. This is why college teams schedule weak opponents early on in the season: to give their kids time to grow and learn before the games that really matter.”

    First, I support the implied attack. If you don’t agree with this premise, you must not be a fan!

    Second, colleges have conference schedules that take up most of their schedule. Before those conference games start, schools can schedule who they want. That is early in the season and of course causes the obligatory “tune up game” or “weak team” analysis when say a Georgia St. plays Alabama. The flip-side to this is of course that “weak” teams want to play the powerhouses. Not only do their players get on national television, they get to play future NFL players. More than that, their school makes a lot of money (http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-state-sports/2012/10/10/georgia-state-football-will-play-at-alabama-and-west-virginia-next-year-and-oregon-in-2015).

    Third, I don’t agree that play time against an inferior opponent is what makes players grow and learn. In fact, in college the starters will be out by halftime. So, they aren’t even in the game.

    I do agree that experience is necessary for every young player to improve. I do think the Bowie is learning while on the job. However, he will only get better if he is being tested each and every week. Playing “softer” opponents does not help a player.

    If you wanted to get better at playing chess, would you head to the nearest elementary school to find opponents?

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