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Morning links: ‘League of Denial’ documentary makes powerful statement

Post by Todd Dybas / The News Tribune on Oct. 9, 2013 at 6:38 am with 41 Comments »
October 9, 2013 1:38 am

Good morning.

> Here’s a story From the Seattle Times on undrafted Doug Baldwin vs. touted Aaron Curry.

> looks at Bruce Irvin and Chris Clemons playing together. From Clare Farnsworth:

Clemons, in his first start after playing in the rotation the previous two games, had a fumble-forcing sack on Andrew Luck in the third quarter to setup a field goal. Irvin, making his debut after rejoining the team on Monday, had a sack in the second quarter that helped force the Colts to settle for a field goal.

> Here’s a quick look at the Titans from

> The Seahawks fell to No. 3 in the AP power rankings.

> The Seahawks are No. 5 in’s power rankings.

> Frontline aired the “League of Denial” documentary Tuesday night. It’s stunning. You can watch it here.

> NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said the league may add two teams to the playoffs in 2015. The NFL’s competition committee originally opposed the idea. Sounds like the commissioner is pushing it forward.

> Falcons receiver Julio Jones could be out for the season.

> Jay Glazer says Falcons TE Tony Gonzalez told him he does not want to be traded.

> Reportedly, upset fans showed up at Matt Schaub’s house. That’s scary on multiple levels.

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  1. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Some real sick fans out there.

  2. sluggo42 says:

    Got that right GH…
    Are you taking meds now? hehe J/K

    Stick a fork in the Falcons, they are done, and I think they were done anyways. How quickly a team can implode…
    I like being down the list a bit, gives the boys something to shoot for. The top of that list is very fickle.

    Was that ChrisHolmes with the breakdown of RW’s time in the pocket? If so mate, well done. That answers my question if RW’s height had something to do with our passing game, even in the face of the atrocious line play. I suppose Payton would be dead behind that line by now…

  3. HawkfaninMT says:

    Re: Adding two games… Would they just make 4 WildCard teams then? So if you win your division you get a bye, then Top 2 teams get a 2nd bye? Or do they do away with Bye weeks? I don’t like it. Current format works best i believe.

    Re: Fans at the Homes of players… Ridiculous! I take the Hawks pretty seriously, I am an avid Fantasy Football guy, and I would never go to the house of a player to “accost” them for poor play. That’s what blogs and message boards are for! Growing up I lived near several Sonics and Mariners players. i would go to their homes on occasion with friends to play Nintendo (Xavier McDaniel) or shoot hopps (Griffey jr), or get autographs (Dave Valle, Harold Reynolds) and i would never dream of entering their world to be an A-Hole. Being a teacher now it would be like someone coming to my house and yelling me for writing their kid up. Unacceptable, and that guy (I assume) should be ashamed and brought up on charges.

  4. yankinta says:

    The No.1 on my Wish List is still Trent Murphy. If we are still struggling to get consistent pass rush on the Road. Drafting O-Tackles in the late first round is such a gamble,, I’d rather wait until the 3rd day.

  5. ChrisHolmes says:

    I didn’t breakdown time in the pocket. I just looked at all the first half passing plays from the Colts game (I just got access to the full coaches tape yesterday).

    I just wrote in my posts that Wilson’s height was a non-factor, when you look at the tape. When he does have time to go through his progressions, he’s fine. He sees the field fine and he looks very adept, to me, at reading and progressing. He knows where to go with the ball.

    The issue is the OL simply doesn’t block long enough for anything to develop. Manning? Yeah, he’d be out of for the season by now with some horrific injury…

    We have the points on the board that we have thanks to RW ability to scramble.

    If I get a chance tomorrow (won’t be today, very busy) I’ll take a look at the 2nd half pass plays. I want to look at all the 3rd down plays in the 2nd half and all the plays on the Colts’ side of the 50.

  6. ChrisHolmes says:

    Roger Goodell needs to quit screwing with the game. The playoff format is perfect right now.

    I hope the competition committee continues to reject his stupid ideas.

    I was a big fan of Goodell’s when he got the job. Read his bio, all the stories done on him, his history with the league, and I thought he was going to rock this job.

    He’s sucked in just about every possible way.

    Stop messing with our game Mr. Goodell.

  7. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I really like that article in the Seattle Times by Jayson Jenks comparing Baldwin and Curry.
    Baldwin is one of my favorite Seahawk players and their best WR imo.
    He is so much like Wilson with regards to his work ethic and drive that it’s no wonder he is fast becoming Wilsons go to guy.

    And he can’t get a much better compliment then this-

    “I told Doug this,” said former Seattle cornerback Antoine Winfield, “but in my 15 years playing in the slot, he’s one of the best players I’ve seen.”

  8. Dukeshire says:

    I caught that Frontline piece last night and yes, it’s incredible.

  9. yankinta says:

    Agreed. Some fans need to get a life if Football is the most important thing in their life…. having said that,, this pic with the googlec search cracks me up….I actually tried tying “matt schaub su” into google and I had coffee coming out of my nose…. lol and smh….

    I guess Google doesn’t know this is 8th Ranked QB by the great JAWs (The QB expert from ESPN)…. smh….

  10. Dukeshire says:

    So, I went back and looked at all od Irvin’s snaps last night (kneel downs aside). He took 31 snaps at LB (21 Sam, 10 Will. 8 of the 10 came with 10+ yards to go for Indy) and 3 at DE. All but one of his snaps came with Wright on the field. I discoverer something interesting: Typically when defenses run nickel, the pull the Sam backer off and replace him with a corner. Seattle on 7 occasions pulled a d lineman instead and kept all 3 LBs (Wagner, Wright, Irvin) on the field and added a corner. Basically a 3-3. In these situations, they would place Irvin at an interior position. At times they would “bunch” all 3 LBs. It will be a formation to keep an eye on for me, moving forward.

    Regardless of position, Irvin was on the line in every instance. Anyway, for what it’s worth…

  11. sluggo42 says:

    Good one Duke. How did he look? Does he get penetration, or get washed out easily? I thought he looked thicker… Must be a side effect from adrenal I guess eh?

  12. Dukeshire says:

    I thought he played well. Especially considering it was his first action since August. And I’d agree; he appeared much stronger. For the first time I was able to see how Carroll / Quinn intend on using him like Green Bay uses Matthews.

    One thing that impressed me was how he jammed TEs, when given the opportunity. So much so, that Indy motioned Fleener away from him, in the second half, several times.

  13. RDPoulsbo says:

    What is this, the NHL? A third of the NFL already gets into the playoffs and they feel the need to expand it? That’s the right amount. It keeps mediocre teams from getting into the postseason to a minimum.

    With the implosion of Atlanta and a decent Jake Locker on the sidelines on Sunday, Seattle should go 6-0 from now to the bye week. And as much as I hate Carpenter, I have zero inclination of visiting his house to berate him should that not happen. The Schaub incident is just one more reason Texas should be sold off to Mexico.

  14. ChrisHolmes says:

    So Irving can jam eh? That’s a nice addition to his growing repertoire.

  15. Seahawkfan78 says:

    Thanks Duke!!! Bold prediction – Irvin gets 3 sacks and a force fumble against the Titans

  16. Thanks Dukeshire for the breakdown on Irivn. That’s good news. You were once going to take a peek at Tony McDaniel’s play and bust a post and maybe you did. Admittedly, with the volume of threads and posts I could have easily missed it.

  17. Seahawkfan78 says:

    stick with the classics!!! :)

  18. ChrisHolmes that is awesome. This dates me to be sure but Super Tecmo Bowl was my favorite video game of all time. Too bad the Seahawks sucked.

  19. HawkfaninMT says:

    Cant believe the Hawks were pink in the “Tecmo Bowl” WTF is that about?

  20. Ewalters7354 says:

    Which 4 teams are better than the Hawks?I guess because the whiners won Sunday they are back to their normal ways eh?Smh.The media is getting so played out because of all the idiots that think they know football.Is it Sunday yet?

  21. ChrisHolmes says:

    Ahead of Seattle in that poll: Broncos, New Orleans, Colts and Chiefs (yes, Chiefs).

    I can’t quibble about the top three (the Colts did win, after all), but the Chiefs?

    I’m not a believer in the Chiefs yet.

  22. ChrisHolmes says:

    And just to get some context, here are the foes the Chiefs have vanquished for their sterling 5-0 record:

    Jaguars, Cowboys (by a point), Eagles, Giants and Titans.

    Yep… They’re obviously the class of the NFL with that slate of victories (/sarcasm off).

    I wish we played the Chiefs this season. I’d love to see Seattle bury Andy Reid and Alex Smith. Alas, I’ll have to settle for watching Denver do the job.

  23. ChrisHolmes says:

    “This dates me to be sure but Super Tecmo Bowl was my favorite video game of all time. Too bad the Seahawks sucked.”

    At the time, that was my favorite console game (I have to be specific, because when it came to favorite “video game” of the era, I was a master Cyberball player).

    Short story: When I was in the military, living in a dorm, I took it upon myself to try and win the Super Techmo Superbowl with every team in the game.

    I did it. But let me tell you… winning with the Patriots, at that time, was really difficult. As much as Seattle sucked, the Pats were worse.

  24. On the other hand, the Seahawks beat:

    and lost to the best team they played, the Colts. There is only one win over a quality team (SF). The 3 other wins were over fairly weak teams. I could see the Carolina, Jax and Houston coaches all gone by the end of the year.

    In terms of the Chiefs schedule, I’d put the Cowboys over Houston and the Eagles on par with Carolina. The 49ers are definitely better than the Titans.

    So I could see how someone (based on the results so far) have the Chiefs higher than the Seahawks.

  25. If you missed it–watch the Frontline piece on concussions and the way the NFL kept covering up the issue. I’d want millions to play the game too. A must see for all fans.

  26. RDPoulsbo says:

    What do you mean the Seahawks sucked in Super Tecmo Bowl? I regularly had at least 4 of the top sack leaders, Warren would win the top rusher by a comfortable margin and Dan McGwire put John Elway to shame!

    That’s a pretty hillarious article though.

  27. ChrisHolmes says:

    @pabuwal I still think our schedule was tougher.

    We had to win two of those on the road, at 10am starts. Carolina’s front 7 is WAY BETTER than people thought it would be, and Houston’s defense is rough. That, and we should have had the Colts game. It’s not like we got our butt’s whipped on the road. We went to Indy, again, a 10am start on the road, and we kicked a couple more FG’s than we should have.

    I just think Seattle is a far better team than KC right now.

    Pundits can put KC wherever they want in their polls. I think if we played KC, home or away, we’d win 8 out of 10 or better.

    But I’m biased.

  28. Ewalters7354 says:

    The Hawks played by far a harder schedule than most of the so called top teams.The only played 2 home games and are 4-1.Broncos,Saints have all had it easy thus far…

  29. Ewalters7354 says:

    Agree Chris.The Hawks have played 3 top 10 teams so far this season and are 2-1 with the possibility of being 3-0.The hawks are forreal.Not certain about KC.We’ll see when they run up against teams that are actually good!

  30. You are calling Houston a Top 10 team? They are a bottom 10 team at this point.

  31. Ewalters7354 says:

    Pabs,c’mon man!They got blew out by Sam Fran but those guys are a very talented.Bottom 10 is absolute exaggeration.

  32. Ewalters7354 says:

    San Fran*

  33. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Houston was the toughest team we played this year, Win or lose.
    It just proves how important a good QB means for a team. Or one that hasn’t lost his confidence.

  34. ChrisHolmes says:

    Houston *should* be a top-10 team, but Schaub is killing them. His confidence is slipping away and you can feel it affecting the rest of the team.

    That defense of theirs is legit. And Foster and Johnson have been stellar players over their careers. I just think when your QB goes in the tank, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the team does… Everyone takes their emotional cues from that leadership position.

    Schaub is living a nightmare right now.

    Look at KC’s wins. Have they faced defenses like Seattle has? I just don’t see it.

    It’s a long season. We’ll see.

  35. I agree with that Chris – but when the QB is playing that bad, the team has lost 3 straight (and was a little lucky to win the 2 games they did win), it’s a bottom 10 team.

  36. Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy CTE ( was known as a disease of boxers, but is now expected to be almost as common in football players. The discovering doctors of the problem in football blamed the NFL for hiding it from the public the same as cigarette mfrs hid the facts of the relationship of smoking to cancer, to protect the NFL shield (and several billion $$$s profits to the owners). When the brain repetitively bounces around in the brainbox it gets damaged. The helmet keeps the skull from getting cracked, but sudden decelleration still bounces the brain in the brainbox. You’ld probably have to have a helmet the size of Angela Davis’s afro and nearly as cushy to prevent bouncing the brain in the brainbox after frontal hits between players moving full out. Keeping the current helmets but slowing the players down might keep the brains from being bounced, but you’ld have to turn the game into a kind of shallow water polo, with water just over the knees. But, the guys on the bottom of hogpiles still might drown. If you made football non-tackle, like high school PE flag football, would make the game about as interesting as Morris Dancers. (Kinda like soccer).

    Boxing is still legal, and I’d hope that football can continue, too. Figure out the rule changes to protect players from brain damage, but don’t destroy the game…

  37. Good to hear Irvin toughened up against the run, and is doing very well covering TE’s–so much so it forced Indy to motion away from him. Wright is still a liability in coverage.

    NFL should have to pay bigtime for their lies, but they wont. Not really, compared to what they make. The government realizes just how much money the NFL brings in each year–not to mention the benefits it brings to other business–is far greater than the 9 billion dollars a year the NFL “makes” in profit alone; there’s no way they allow that cash cow to be put down, so they will slap a manageable fine on them and bury it. Sad.

  38. Ive been screaming for years that Goodell sucks. He has no integrity, and cares nothing for the game, its history, its traditions, it meaning beyond money, and lots of it. All he cares about is expanding the brand as far as possible, making more and more money ad infinitum. He’s ruining the game, and cares nothing for the players–just pays lip service to that because his ultimate goal is simply expanding endlessly, and increasing revenues endlessly.

    He wants 2 more regular season games, simply to add more money with TV revenue–players barely make it through a season as is. He wants a team in London–proven disadvantage to require a team to travel there, and a disadvantage for the London team to travel to US. Now he wants to expand the playoffs

    This coming after he moved the Pro Bowl date up so the Super Bowl teams couldnt attend, ensuring almost everyone is a Pro Bowler. He’s watering the game down, because all he cares about is money, and no amount is enough, and nothing is sacred; if he can squeeze one more dollar out by changing something, he’ll do it, no matter how stupid or detrimental.

  39. GeorgiaHawk says:

    I wonder how much the human growth hormones contributed to the Steelers players CTE?
    Mike Webster never would have made it in the NFL without them. And the Steelers would have never won 4 Super Bowls back then without them.

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