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Morning links: Carroll takes blame for stalled run game

Post by Eric Williams on Sep. 10, 2013 at 5:52 am with 78 Comments »
September 10, 2013 5:57 am
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll is shown prior to an NFL football game against the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte, NC, Sunday, Sept. 8, 2013. (AP Photo/Mike McCarn)
Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll is shown prior to an NFL football game against the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte, NC, Sunday, Sept. 8, 2013. (AP Photo/Mike McCarn)

In my story today, Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll talked about his team’s struggles running the ball against Carolina on Sunday.

Seattle averaged 161.2 yards a contest last year, No. 3 in the league, but only could muster 70 yards against the Panthers’ stout front.

Carroll said during the first part of the game the Seahawks tried some new wrinkles that they felt the team could take advantage of after scouting Carolina’s defense.

But the adjustments didn’t work, and by the time Seattle went back to what made them successful running the ball last season, and then adjusted to how Carolina was defending them, the Seahawks finally ran the ball somewhat successfully in the final quarter.

“We just didn’t get it done the way that we liked it,” Carroll said. “I contributed to that. So I’ve got to make sure that I help out and do the right things to help us, and get us on a track on what’s really important to us.

“We didn’t zero in early enough, where we could make the adjustments that we normally make. It just took us a while. At the end of the game, we were able to run the ball enough to make the drives that we needed and things worked out. It just took us longer than we needed in that game in particular.”

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Russell Wilson appeared in Men’s Fitness magazine, sharing some fitness tips.

Check out the photo shoot in the video below.

Clare Farnsworth of Seahawks.com writes that Pete Carroll said James Carpenter did a nice job in the season opener.

Danny O’Neil of The Seattle Times tells us what we learned from Seattle’s win over Carolina.

Jayson Jenks of The Seattle Times writes that Seattle’s offensive line has to improve.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland notes in his look back at this weekend’s games that Seattle’s offensive line struggled with Carolina’s front seven.

Taylor Price of 49ers.com writes that the San Francisco-Seattle rivalry has raised the bar for both teams. Said Jim Harbaugh: “There’s good football teams that we’re playing right out of the blocks here. Seattle’s an outstanding football team and will be a great test for our team. We know the challenge that’s ahead of us.”

Ben Violin of The Boston Globe reports that tight end Daniel Fells is scheduled to visit the Seahawks on Tuesday. Fells is the older brother of Darren Fells, the former pro basketball player who competed for a roster spot in Seattle’s training camp.

Greg Bedard of The MMQB breaks down Marshawn Lynch’s 14-yard run on the read option that allowed Seattle to run out the clock at the end of the game.

Mike Silver of NFL.com has Seattle at No. 2 in his power rankings.

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  1. I could not help but wonder about “Real Robs” departure and the running games outcome.

  2. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Mike Silver says-

    1) San Francisco 49ers: Does Bill Leavy still have it out for the Seahawks, or what?

    Lol.

  3. MikeFromNewJersey says:

    I dont think Pete Carroll should have anything to do with the running game.

  4. Seahawkfan78 says:

    When your in charge, you always take the blame for stuff that goes wrong. Its a sign of a good leader.

  5. yankinta says:

    woofu,, I’ll give you a little fact to ease your mind. Most people do not know this, especially most on this blog,,,….

    Marshawn Lynch’s 2012 average per rush was Higher, when Mike Rob wasn’t the lead blocker. Not to mention that Mike Rob played less than 33% of the snaps last season. Hope it helps… :)

  6. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, that’s pretty funny,, :) I always thought Mike Silver was a Hawks hater but somehow he’s turned into a big Hawks believer,,, btw, was RG3 exposed last night or what? or maybe he wasn’t 100% yet… I can’t believe the Eagles let him throw these dink and dunk passes all night,, (easy completions) for 329 yards….

  7. tealskin says:

    Woofu, With the way the line was blocking for most of the game, don’t think MRob would have made that much of a difference. Yank- Statistics can lie. MRob was used on a situational basis. If on obvious running downs, longer gains are more unlikely. Not saying he’s irreplaceable just that there’s more to the story.

  8. FleaFlicker says:

    Think a little patience with the run game is in order. Carp just getting back. Starting assignments not totally set (even at this point). The big boys need time and reps AS A UNIT.

    I forgot who posted it yesterday (I think it was Stevos), but game #2 last year was a wholesale improvement in the run game.

    And my last point, Carolina has a strong run defense. You don’t win in this league by attacking the opponent where he’s strongest. Don’t expect the Hawks to necessarily come out running on Sunday night, but I do expect the pass game to open up the run quite a bit as the game proceeds. If you look at the drive charts from the GB/SF game, the Pack only ran twice on three of their four scoring drives (all 60+ yards). Seems like the formula for Sunday will be to establish momentum with high percentage throws and then unleash the Beast.

  9. yankinta – where did you get those stats on Lynch’s yards running behind a fullback vs. not? I’ve been trying to track that down.

  10. GeorgiaHawk says:

    FleaFlicker- I agree with what you said about having a little patience with the run game.

    Dating back to last year (including the playoffs) the Seahawks have won 4 of their last 5 10:am games. Damn good if you ask me.

  11. RDPoulsbo says:

    The o-line’s primary problem isn’t run blocking, but pass protection. Carolina came in with a strong front 7 with a game plan to take away the run and they did so effectively. You can’t take that away from them.

    There might be something to PC saying they wanted to try some wrinkles based on scouting reports, but that’s kind of hard to do with the Panther’s upgrades over the offseason, especially at DT.

    As noted in one of the links above, Lynch’s longest run came off a read-option play in an obvious running situation. I’m guessing the team is keeping read-option to a minimum against teams that run it themselves, but it was effective when used sparingly on Sunday.

    It’s just a guess, but Mike Rob may have lost some value with the rise of the read-option. There isn’t much use for a FB on those plays, though a good blocking TE is pretty nice to have (think Person). That might be something to watch for not necessarily against SF or even Jax, but when they head off to play a quality opponent in Houston.

  12. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “The o-line’s primary problem isn’t run blocking, but pass protection.”

    I agree with that.

    We have a very underrated group of receivers-

    http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/298/carroll-says-seattles-receivers-get-the-job-done

  13. Just read this in SI. The 12th man needs to bring it Sunday. Good chance this will be the difference in the game:

    With a varied offensive playbook and a good many formations, the 49ers’ offensive playbook can give defenses fits. But it can also cause its share of problems for the 49ers’ offense. The 49ers called four timeouts on offense Sunday against the Green Bay Packers with the play clock winding down. They were also flagged for one delay-of-game penalty in the 34-28 season-opening victory. On at least two occasions, the 49ers had troubles lining up in a legal formation. Coach Jim Harbaugh intimated that the 49ers might consider paring down the number of plays in each week’s game plan to avoid such problems in the future. … The 49ers had to learn new verbiage last week, too. The 49ers also made some alterations to the terminology quarterback Colin Kaepernick used at the line of scrimmage against the Packers. (CSN Bay Area)

  14. yankinta says:

    OrrObb, I saw it somewhere weeks ago. I’ll try to find them again… :)

  15. yankinta says:

    Wow, we dropped to 2nd in ESPN Power Ranking…. I guess we’re now the underdogs…. lol

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings

  16. yankinta says:

    I don’t know why ATL is still in the top 10 in power ranking though. They’re not going to make the playoff… Neither are the Colts…

  17. GeorgiaHawk says:

    yankinta, How did Luck do?

  18. yankinta says:

    he did okay against one of the 3 worst teams in the league, at home…. Let’s see what he can do against Miami. Would you like to predict that game? I say they will lose,, although they’ll be playing at home,,again…

  19. GeorgiaHawk says:

    We’ll see how good Luck really is Sept-22nd on the road against the 49ers.

  20. yankinta says:

    GeorgiaHawk,, nah, I don’t think we have to wait that long. I like Maimi’s defense. They’re above average. Should be enough to expose Luck… :)

  21. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Another week, another Luck sighting. Ask the guy out already.

  22. wallinator says:

    Eric – you have Danny O listed as being still with the Times……

  23. Carlsonkid says:

    RDPoulsbo , that eyebrow bet is confirmed on PFT …

    Oline play was atrocious against the Panthers ; anyone else notice our All-Pro center left a hell of a lot of snaps from shotgun down around RW’s ankles or on the turf ? I mean multiple times , not just once or twice . And the guard play was abysmal ; again – Sweezy and Carpenter might be decent depth ( did I really just say that ? ) , but shouldn’t be starting for any team IMO .

  24. chuck_easton says:

    We all know the yankster doesn’t like Luck. Luck could throw for 400 yards, 5 TD’s, and run in two more and the yankster will have some reason why it wasn’t that great.

    Of the four young QB’s that are all the rage in the media, I think CK had the best week, Luck was second, Wilson was third, and the media Golden Child was a distant fourth.

  25. chuck_easton says:

    Carlson,

    I know it is all the rage to bash Carp, but does anybody actually WATCH the games? The offense had all their yards and points when Carp was in at LG. Most of the series when McQ was in at LG there were three and outs.

    Carp just needs to get in shape. Of course that could take the big guy until the 2014 season, but he’s a much better LG than McQuistan

  26. tealskin says:

    Chuck, Agree that Kaep looked good but don’t forget there was almost no pressure on him throughout that game. Any (almost) pro QB looks good when he has all day to throw.

  27. MoSeahawk12 says:

    He’s not great, just lucky remember? His name says it all.

  28. yankinta says:

    tealskin, exactly my point. I don’t think any of the 3 other young QB’s would have survived against the top 5 Front 7, on the road like RW did. Luck would have thrown 3 ints and lost the game and CK would have thrown 2 ints and lost a close game,, but that’s just what I did. RW did the best. Considering circumstances,,,

  29. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Agree Chuck, the Yangster is down on Luck, Or down on his luck. Lol.

    Also Wilson put up his numbers on the road against a good defense.

    Looks like it may be true RDPoulsbo.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/10/wilson-kaepernick-bet-an-eyebrow-on-sunday-nights-game/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

  30. yankinta says:

    I guess next week will tell a lot. Don’t forget Luck played against the Easiest Schedule last year. This year he will play against 4th Easiest Schedule.

    RW has been playing much tougher opponents from Day 1.

  31. We only have to wait until Sunday to see how Kaep does on the road against a top defense.

  32. GeorgiaHawk says:

    From the comment section from my last post.-

    “Why don’t they bet that the losing coach has to shave both eyebrows? I’d love to see Hardaugh with no eyebrows.”

    Lol.

  33. chuck_easton says:

    tealskin,

    I’m just going off the statistics as that’s what some of the guys on here seem to think is what determines how a player did.

    The NFL network has a statistics comparision site where you can put up to 4 players in. I went to it and punched in the four guys. Sure enough the ranking I came up with just from what I observed is confirmed by the stats:

    Kaepernick: QB rating 129.4, 27-39 completions/attempts (69%), 412 passing yards, 22 rushing yards, 3 passing TD’s, ZERO interceptions.

    Luck: QB rating 127.9, 18-23 completions/attempts (78%), 178 passing yards, 38 rushing yards, 2 passing TD’s 1 rushing TD, ZERO interceptions.

    Wilson: QB rating 115.7, 25-33 completions/attempts (75%), 320 passing yards, 7 rushing yards, 1 passing TD, ZERO interceptions.

    Griffin QB rating 77.7, 30-49 completions/attempts (61%), 329 passing yards, 24 rushing yards, 2 passing TD’s, 2 interceptions.

    As I recall, one of the yankster’s arguments is that Luck gets so many passing yards because he throws more than any of the other young QB’s. Well he had the highest completion % with the fewest throws, had the most rushing yards, was the only one with a rushing TD.

    We can talk about the defense each QB faced all day. But the stats are what they are. Only two of the QB’s had to lead their team back in the 4th Qtr (Luck and Wilson). By no coincidence those two have more 4th Qtr comeback wins than the other two.

  34. Carlsonkid says:

    Chuck , I agree McQ didn’t play well either – as I said , the guard play overall was abysmal . I really hope Carp can stay healthy and show something , but my point with him all along is he was a first round pick and those are the building blocks of your franchise ; do you honestly see Carpenter as a foundation of the team for years to come ? If we drafted him in the 4th round , few would be as critical of him . You simply cannot afford to mis-guess 1st round draft picks . Aaron Curry , Kelly Jennings , Lawrence Jackson … shall I go on ? Our previous GM buried this team with poor 1st round choices . I understand you can’t always hit a bullseye , but I’m probably just frustrated after watching Ruskell trash the team previously and cringe whenever something similar happens .

    Here’s hoping Carpenter becomes a perineal Pro-Bowler . I’d love to be wrong about him ..

  35. MoSeahawk12 says:

    I think he must have purchased too many Suck for Luck shirts and is now bitter. Hangs them next to his Aaron Curry jersey.

  36. chuck_easton says:

    And yankster. Do you ever lend out that crystal ball of yours? You know the one that tells you that Luck would have thrown 3 ints and Kaep would have thrown 2 against the Panthers on Sunday. That is called rationalization just so you can try to defend your position that Wilson was the better QB on Sunday.

    Kaep and the 49rs play the Panthers on November 11th. I’ll be looking for those sure 2 ints you have promised. And if they don’t materialize I’ll be more than ready to remind you. But, of course, your response will be that Kaep gets the Panthers at home so that will be the reason/excuse you use if he puts up better numbers than Wilson.

    Unfortunately the Colts don’t play the Panthers this year so we won’t get to see those three INT’s you have promised.

  37. MoSeahawk12 says:

    chuck, those factual stats don’t factor in the luck factor and will go against yankers iron clad assertions, predictions and fuzzy math. How dare you bring sound logic into this…..

  38. yankinta says:

    lol, nah, I don’t do buying jersey or shirts. I don’t do fantasy football or video games. I only care about Pure/Real Football. And I don’t buy what the National Media is selling. I call it the way I see it. I do my own research and I trust my own eyes instead of what others tell me,, hope that helps…. :)

    Btw, why isn’t Rams at Falcons on TV this Sunday?? I would rather watch that very much than RG3 getting killed in Green Bay…. And I would much rather watch Miami at Indianapolis, than San Diego at Philadelphia on CBS….. who makes these pick for us to watch? Shouldn’t NFC West Games be on for us in Seattle??

  39. tealskin says:

    Chuck, If you’re just going by the numbers, then you’re right. But that means the quality of the opponent is a non-factor and that seems lame in evaluating performance when there is so much variation.

  40. yankinta says:

    chuck_easton,, I’m just saying what I think would happen. You should not compare home games versus road games… that’s a rookie mistake. :)

  41. chuck_easton says:

    Carlson,

    I’m still cautiously optimistic about Carp. He’s never been healthy. Let’s wait to see what he can do if/when he actually makes it through 3 or for consecutive games and then we’ll know what the potential is.

    All I know is Okung loves Carp. He keeps talking about how strong Carp is, how much of a monster Carp is. Okung (you know the guy who couldn’t go 4 consecutive games uninjured in both of his first two seasons?) seems to think that once Carp takes control of that LG spot the Seahawks will have a road grader left side.

    I’m just keeping my fingers crossed. Counting the 4th pre-season game, we now have two full games and Carp made it through both without so much as a broken finger nail.

  42. chuck_easton says:

    As I said yankinta, we get to see a straight up comparision between Kaep and Wilson when the 49rs play the Panthers on November 11th. No comparing apples to oranges. No what if’s. No ability to rationalize the performance.

    I personally hope Kaep and the 49rs go down in flames on that day. I don’t think it will happen. Both Seattle and SF are strong teams. The difference is going to come down to head to head games as to which team wins this division.

    We will know more on Sunday. Seattle better put a better product on the field this coming weekend than they did last weekend or there might be several unhappy people on this site come Monday.

    I wish I could have gotten tickets for this Sunday. I was only able to get tickets for the December 22nd home game against Arizona. The 12th man has to be in full force this weekend. This is going to be one of those games that could easily come down to home field advantage.

    It is great that our guys (especially the Defence) seem to play like an entirely different (better) team at home than they do on the road. The D feeds on the crowd.

    This weekend will be a grudge match, a street brawl, and a take no prisoners fight to the finish.

  43. yankinta says:

    straight up comparision means, 49ers would have to play in Carolina. Not at home. read my comment at 11:49 AM. :)

  44. MoSeahawk12 says:

    Yank. Aaron Rodgers was 1-of-6 for 3 yards and an interception when the Niners blitzed.
    Andrew Luck was 11-of-12 for 99 yards against Oakland’s blitz Sunday.
    Now of course we all know A Rodgers is a great QB, and MVP.
    Luck faced twice the amount of blitzes and only had one incomplete pass.
    That’s the sign of a very good QB.
    Of course 9ers are a far superior team than the Raiders, but how a QB handles pressure is a very telling sign.
    I’m sure he was mostly lucky though.

  45. jchawks08 says:

    You guys, stop feeding the :-D troll!

  46. jchawks08 says:

    You know he’s just sitting there with a crap-eating grin on his face, hitting the refresh button, so happy with himself for all of his clever and witty (not really) comments.
    Chuck,
    Kudos for you for keeping your cool. Dude is so annoying.

  47. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Yankita is right-

    “straight up comparision means, 49ers would have to play in Carolina. Not at home.”

  48. GeorgiaHawk says:

    tealskin is also right.

  49. GeorgiaHawk says:

    jchawks08- What’s really annoying to me is that you have nothing better to add on this blog then Yankita. At least Yankita makes some valid points here at times.
    How about you?

  50. jchawks08 says:

    Who pooped in your cereal, Georgia?
    I come here for the insight. I don’t need to pretend I’m the worlds most knowledgeable fan. I like to gauge everyone’s opinions on the days topics of discussion. Sometimes I’ll have a strong opinion which I’ll add, but often I don’t because everyone’s usually covered it all by the time I arrive.
    It’s people that Yank and some others that drive me nuts.
    Uh, Sorry I irritate you? W/e.

  51. GeorgiaHawk says:

    jchawks08- Ok, I apologize for reacting so strong, however I don’t believe yankster is a troll. Maybe a bit misguided on things but not someone we need to ignore.

  52. RDPoulsbo says:

    “Carp just needs to get in shape”

    That pretty much sums up his entire pro football career so far. The guy needs to lose a lot of weight along with getting into game shape to be effective.

    And no, there’s no comparison between Okung and Carp injuries. Okung’s high ankle sprains were because of incompetent blockers diving at his feet while he was engaged with a defender. He was lucky he didn’t tear an ACL like Pouncey did. Then there’s the cheap shot in the Philly game. Then you have Carp tearing his ACL in a non-contact drill in practice. If it weren’t for his contract being guaranteed through this season, he probably wouldn’t be here. And to think they drafted a 3rd string RB instead of getting o-line help.

  53. GeorgiaHawk says:

    “Carp just needs to get in shape”

    “That pretty much sums up his entire pro football career so far. The guy needs to lose a lot of weight along with getting into game shape to be effective.”

    Don’t say that to Stevos RDPoulsbo. Lol.

  54. yankinta says:

    MoSeahawk12, maybe you’re right and I’m wrong. I guess only time will tell. :) so let’s agree to disagree respectfully, like adults.

    But I hope you agree that Miami Defense is wayy better than Oakland’s?? If so, if Luck can put up those same impressive numbers again this weekend, (both home games),, then I guess it’s more likely you’re right and I’m wrong,, :)

  55. jchawks08 says:

    It’s cool man.. I respect all the regular posters. I certainly don’t consider myself one, but I’ve been around her for years now.
    RE: Carp – I think we all want him to succeed. If you have ever been up close to him, the dude is ENORMOUS. And I mean it because I typed in all caps. Seriously, is he not the largest bodied guy on the team? He’s a block of man from head to toe. Carroll has always described him as a road grader. I definitely hope for the day he gets his football cardio back. Sounds like it’s very close.

  56. What surprised me most was the poor performance of Unger. The guy was pushed around all day, his shotgun snaps were spraying everywhich way, and according to PFF, he graded out poorly. Perhaps the guy is injured/dinged up? I hope thats all it is.

    Giacomini looked bad on a couple big plays, but overall wasnt the problem (Small bright spot). As usual, the G play was. Carpenter is just too freaking fat. The guy HAS to lose some weight, his knees and ankles just wont take the torque from all that mass.

    Sweezy was bad. Again. As usual. Sigh.

    While I didnt expect Seattle to pick up where they left off on the line, I had HOPED they could. YOu know, some teams actually get better in the offseason and show up ready to play game one–see Forty Niners. Not our offensive line. Seems they start over from scratch every year, and we have to wait till game eight to get much consistency. Well, boys and girls, with the schedule Goodell handed down for us this year, that wont be good enough for a wildcard entrance to the playoffs, let alone Home Field.

    Im tired of the litany of excuses for horrid G play and poor offensive line play overall. Carrol had them trying new things. Theyre young. Carp is fat. Sweezy is learning. Breno is a dirtbag. Its only preseason. Its only game one. Its early yet. McQ is old. Their foot is cold. And now this story is all told…

    Bottom line: The line play is bad right now, and after spending a top 5 pick, another first round pick, a second round pick, a third round pick, and god knows how much in FA money over the years, we have two decent players on the line. But Tom Cable is a genius. And Im an NFL Head Coach in disguise.

    All I can say, besides Im sick of watching an incompetent line, is God I hope Im Wrong and the line starts kicking butt next week. I would LOVE to eat some major crow in that regards.

    On the plus side, Okung is steady and uninjured. Breno, as I said, wasnt terrible. And of course, RW made the line look a lot less terrible than they really were, because of his scrambling and uncanny ability to find WR’s downfield on the run. Baldwin is back, and looking Pro Bowl bound. Tate and Rice are easing into it, and Kearse is making me proud as hell.

    Now, if only we had drafted a stud DT in the first round, or a stud G, instead of Harvin…

  57. ” … again – Sweezy and Carpenter might be decent depth (did I really just say that?) , but shouldn’t be starting for any team IMO. ”

    Carlson, I saw these guys make mistakes last Sunday too (as did Unger and Okung and Giac), But I would say it is WAY too early to put a grade on Sweezy or Carpenter. The best scouts and coaches in the NFL think so too.

    Sweezy has started a total of 4 games at OG in his life.
    In college, he play D line.

    Carpenter has started about 14 games at OG in his life.
    In college, he started two seasons at LT.

    They are two of the least experienced starting guards in the NFL, and two of the most promising. You can’t leave them on the bench to rot. You need to play them every day.

    For example: Robbie Tobeck barely played as a rookie. He didn’t start 16 games until his third year, but he eventually became a Pro Bowler in his twelfth season. Marshal Yanda was named All-Pro last year at OG. He played in 17 games during his first two years. He didn’t become an All-Pro until his fifth year. John Sullivan was named All-Pro at C last year. He never started a game as a rookie, and didn’t become All-Pro until his fifth year. What if these guys were left on the bench to watch other guys play? They never would have amounted to anything.

    Great NFL O lines aren’t built by bringing in a bunch of new players every year, its done by developing players who work side-by-side every day for several years. (look at NYG) It doesn’t happen by sitting them on the bench and “waiting” until they’re ready. They would never be ready. The coach puts them out there to play and improve every game. Sweeze and Carp need to play more, not less.

  58. For everyone feeling hopeless about the O line. It takes time and reps. and It gets better.

    Our O line was shaky in the road opener in 2012, then got it together for the game 2 home opener to rout Dallas.

    Game 1 – 2012 (@Arizona)
    Offensive line allowed 3 sacks
    Marshawn Lynch 21 rushes for 85 yards 0 TDs
    Total Yards 254
    Points 16
    Loss

    Game 2 – 2012 (Dallas)
    Offensive line allowed 2 sacks
    Marshawn Lynch 26 rushes for 122 yards 1 TD
    Total Yards 315
    Points 27
    Win

  59. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM – just won’t factor in that we just played one of the best front 7s in the NFL, on the road, first game of the season, and we still won.

    It’s just easier to bitch I guess.

  60. chuck_easton says:

    And to end the my QB is better than your QB debate (and in the end, isn’t Wilson everyone on here’s QB?), only a fool tries to rank anybody after one week of games.

    Maybe a guy just slept wrong on his shoulder Saturday night. Maybe one of the guys that looked great really did get lucky. (there ya go Yankinta).

    We will all have a better idea of the ‘fab four’ once they’ve all played a minimum of 4 games (1/4 of the season).

    I don’t see Russell being in fourth place. I’m hoping he’s in 1st. But at the end of the day, if the Seahawks are leading the NFCW after four games I wouldn’t care where any one player rank compared to others.

    The only good thing that senile old coot (sorry Eric) Al Davis ever said that’s worth repeating. JUST WIN BABY!!!!!

    I laugh at guys like Mike Wallace who pouts after a big team win because he ‘didn’t get his’.

    Russel wants to be the best Russel Wilson he can be. He also wants to lead the team to the SB. I don’t think you are going to see Russel crying about his personal stats as long as the team is winning.

    For a reference closer to home, I don’t think Wilson is going to feel like PC ‘stabbed him in the back’ if it is decided to hand the ball off to Lynch for the Division clinching TD when Wilson is just 1 TD away from setting the all time season TD record.

  61. yankinta says:

    lol, I never said anything about any QB,, all I said was Falcons and Colts will not make the playoff this year,,(which I’ve been saying for months)..,, Only then I was reminded of what these QB did last weekend and I responded…

  62. Georgia–We played a very good front seven, thats true. And we played abysmally on the line. Next week we face an even better defense, though the D-line isnt quite as good–but Justin Smith is a beast. I had hoped for the line to play better than they did in the playoffs last year, but instead they reverted to early 2012 form.

    Comparing AZ’s defense game one last year to Dallas game 2 D is just a bad comparison. AZ’s defense was amazing, and Wilson was unsure of himself–the whole offense had training wheels on. In Dallas, the training wheels werent as big, and Dallas D was nowhere near as ferocious as the Cards, so of course we did better.

    I thought our O-line was mediocre at the end of last year, and got too much credit for our success. Wilson and Lynch made them look far better than they were. And this year, they seem to have regressed badly, if so far only for one game.

    If you want to sugarcoat a very poor performance by the O-line, thats your prerogative. But its not reality. Reality is they played far worse than they were playing at the end of last year, and there really is no excuse for that.

  63. The frustrating thing is to see our two biggest weaknesses from last year actually getting worse, rather than better. The O-line and DT position vacated by Branch are after week one in poorer shape than they were during the last quarter of the 2012 season.

    15 games to go. Improvement is likely, and certainly necessary. I just had higher hopes, though I feared just such an opening game. At least we escaped mostly healthy and with a win!

  64. tealskin says:

    STTBM, Agree the O-line looked less than adequate.Lets’ not forget, Carp. just returned from injury and hasn’t practiced, first game on road in hot conditions, very good opposing front. Cable has been around long enough to know what he has. Its too early to freak out. I would expect a team to be more efficient at the end of a season than at the beginning. If they aren’t a lot sharper by week 4, then I’ll be worried.

  65. tealskin–You are far more measured in your emotional response than I, lol!

    Yeah, I think and hope Carp will work himself into shape and play well. And I was pleasantly surprised how much he played, and that he didnt get injured or drop dead of fatness (or heat stroke)! That bodes well for the future, as the conditions were abnormal for Seattle-ites!

    The problem is, you dont get mulligans for the first month–and we have the Niners this weekend. Add to that our schedule, which has FIVE 10 am East Coast starts, our tons of road opponents with winning records, and the Niners gift schedule from Roger Goodell, and playing well out of the gate becomes not just important, but a necessity.

    Seattle will not win a SB this year unless they gain homefield advantage for the playoffs, IMO. Thats why Im freaking out about the sixth year in a row without a good O-line.

  66. GeorgiaHawk says:

    STTBM- If you want to direct your anger at our o-line or d-line I have no problem with that. We can certainly use improvement on both sides, and I think we will get it soon, however when you constantly bitch about our elite franchise QB when he is helping us win games despite poor pass protection I will draw the line on you.
    No hard feelings.

  67. Georgia–You misinterpret. As I said, Wilson is fine. I dont think he played as well as the stats would suggest, and I think he can and will play better. But thats not to say he isnt a fine qb, or that he wont have 10-12 better games this year–he will.

    The problem I had was that so many jumped all over me for daring to say Wilson was less than perfect. I defended my examples, and literally no one offered any conclusive proof I was wrong. I was merely defending myself and responding to what I felt were attacks, inconsistencies in logic, and/or just plain wrong-headedness.

    In no way, shape, or form did I ever imply, state, or hint that Wilson was anything less than a franchise qb and a fine player. In my opinion, those 2 deep passes were off enough to need improvement, and I felt he was likely thinking to hard on a few plays, waiting too long for something better to develop.

    The waiting too long for something to develop happened with T-Jack as well, you could see it happen after a few weeks of him getting happy feet. I blamed the coaching staff then, and in a way, Im blaming them for Wilsons holding the ball too long last weekend. The difference? This time, I think Wilson is a fabulous qb who will learn from his over-adjustment, and get back to kicking butt, instead of getting confused and falling apart as poor T-Jack did.

    And before anyone decides to hammer me for anti-T-Jack bias, I was one of the first to suggest that Seattle should bring him back as a backup, and I have supported him in that role since. Im glad he’s here and appreciate his toughness, leadership, and heart. I just dont want him starting!

  68. Georgia–No worries. You quit baiting me, and I dont hold grudges very often. We’re good.

  69. STTBM – not sure if you saw that ESPN rated the Kearse touchdown as the best pass of the day. I believe it was the show that Tony Dungy is on (sorry I saw it but can’t remember what the show is called). I respect your opinion but the ‘experts’ seemed to differ

  70. LVHawk–ESPN’s opinion on anything has absolutely nothing to do with mine. Seriously, who cares what those fools think? Dungy I have respect for, but ESPN in general is just sad.

    That was an impressive play; most of the credit goes to Kearse, IMO, for blowing by the guy and still making the catch despite having to wait for it. The pass wasnt terrible, but it was late. Its not nitpicking, its a fact.

    I get that Wilson is a great qb, and I love the guy to death; but his deep throws in games often arent on target. Ive never seen him practice, but the Writers all say he throws beautiful deep balls then. He just needs to do that in games. He needs to improve, and he will.

    Besides, I thought Baldwins sideline catch on the pass Wilson was trying to throw away was the play of the week, with Jordy Nelson’s second. Kearse’s catch was behind that. Nice to have two huge plays in one game though, especially a game where the team as a whole was off and struggling. Shows Seattle’s resiliency.

  71. raymaines says:

    Over react damn it! Over react right now! I want some knee jerk, one game, over reactionary pronouncements and I want them now.

    The O-Line sucks. Beast Mode is washed up. Bench RW. Fire Tom Cable.

    I still think we should have passed on Carpenter and drafted Colin Kaepernick in 2011.

  72. “As I said yankinta, we get to see a straight up comparision between Kaep and Wilson when the 49rs play the Panthers on November 11th. No comparing apples to oranges. No what if’s. No ability to rationalize the performance.”

    yank is absolutely right here. The Whiners would have to play IN Carolina at 10 am when it was 92 degrees with the humidity for it to be close to apples to apples. It’s still not apples to apples exactly as there are countless other factors that play into it. Injuries would be one. Would it be apples to apples if Kuechly is out? I think not.

    Though I am not as down on Luck as yank, I’m not as high on him as many here either, his point that he was playing the Raiders at home is definitely valid. The Raiders are pretty much a SEC/AAAA team. His statistics were impressive, no doubt. Here’s Oak’s defensive depth chart. I could only get through about 3/4ths of it before I threw up in my mouth a little.

    See there, yank. I’ll defend you if I think you’re right. And I don’t think yank is a troll either, at least as yank. A troll is someone that just tries to start spit and garner attention. They don’t care what they have to say to do it. Yank may be condescending, but he’s not a troll IMO.

    I do have to disagree with something though, yank. I remember seeing the running stats for 2012 by formation. I think Eric posted something about it during the summer. I couldn’t quickly find it or anything like it with a quick search. They used the 2 back set in obvious running situations, goal line, etc.. The average per rush is going to be negatively affected by that. It’s not just the personnel, it’s the situation as well. His average is inflated in one back sets by draws in passing situations where he gets a lot of yards because the defense is playing the pass and allowing him to rush for a certain amount of yards. Stats don’t have meaning if you don’t place them into context properly.

  73. Here’s the Oak defensive depth chart. Forgot to link it, duhhhhhh.

    http://www.raiders.com/team/depth-chart.html

  74. Bbmate–”stats don’t have meaning unless you place them in context”; truer words were never spoken!

  75. yankinta says:

    bbmate, lol thanks…. I agree with you on most things,, as well. But I think that B-Rob wasn’t the only lead blocker for Lynch in 2012. There were a few snaps where other players such as TE Miller for an example, did the lead blocking for him. I do agree that these numbers were inflated for the Read Option plays as well because Defenses were Scared of RW taking off, they forgot to stop Lynch,,, Nevertheless, my original point stands. Mike Rob is not the reason why our Running game suffered in the first game.

    I’ve been going to Rosters of good defensive teams and I was not able to come up with a Front 7 better than Carolina. I think 49ers, Miami and Bengals are in the conversation but are they better than Carolina’s?? It firms my belief that Carolina is a playoff team this year. Not looking good for ATL at all.

  76. GeorgiaHawk says:

    Agree Yankinta-
    I would take Carolinas front seven over the 49ers if I had to choose, however not by much.

  77. I might take Carolina’s front 7 due to age, but the Whiners are probably still slightly better when J. Smith is healthy. I’d take Cin’s over Carolina. Not sure about Miami. I truly believe the Hawks will be a top 10 front seven at least when Avril, Clem, Irvin, and Hill are back.

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